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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 10:28 AM
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Obama was the worst president these 57 states have ever had

The facts say otherwise.
Gotta BINGO! He was later informed that not only was he the worst president but it turns out he only went to 50 states while he was campaigning.

 

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It is not a mental health issue.


Yeah, these guys are all as as sane as the next guy. I beg to differ, it is a mental health issue.


Every country in the world has people with mental health issues. Only this country has mass shootings. It is not a mental health issue. It is an easy access to guns issue.
The U.S.A. has always allowed citizens to bear arms. There is zero indication that this will change. There are countries with far more strict gun laws. There are many that don't allow guns at all. If this issue is that important to you... perhaps you could go to one of those countries? Then you would not feel the need to fight this loosing battle. You could sit OVER THERE and criticize us.
The texas church killer beat his wife, and fractured his step-sons skull while in the air force [he received a court martial]. he was still allowed to buy guns.

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It is not a mental health issue.


Yeah, these guys are all as as sane as the next guy. I beg to differ, it is a mental health issue.


Every country in the world has people with mental health issues. Only this country has mass shootings. It is not a mental health issue. It is an easy access to guns issue.
The U.S.A. has always allowed citizens to bear arms. There is zero indication that this will change. There are countries with far more strict gun laws. There are many that don't allow guns at all. If this issue is that important to you... perhaps you could go to one of those countries? Then you would not feel the need to fight this loosing battle. You could sit OVER THERE and criticize us.
The texas church killer beat his wife, and fractured his step-sons skull while in the air force [he received a court martial]. he was still allowed to buy guns


So do crazies like this moron who "won't be allowed to buy guns" just rent trucks instead?

He beat his wife and almost kills his step sons, but it's NOT a mental health issue!

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 11:34 AM
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It is not a mental health issue.


Yeah, these guys are all as as sane as the next guy. I beg to differ, it is a mental health issue.


Every country in the world has people with mental health issues. Only this country has mass shootings. It is not a mental health issue. It is an easy access to guns issue.
The U.S.A. has always allowed citizens to bear arms. There is zero indication that this will change. There are countries with far more strict gun laws. There are many that don't allow guns at all. If this issue is that important to you... perhaps you could go to one of those countries? Then you would not feel the need to fight this loosing battle. You could sit OVER THERE and criticize us.
The texas church killer beat his wife, and fractured his step-sons skull while in the air force [he received a court martial]. he was still allowed to buy guns


So do crazies like this moron who "won't be allowed to buy guns" just rent trucks instead?

He beat his wife and almost kills his step sons, but it's NOT a mental health issue!


Death tolls:

Texas 26.

Las Vegas 58

NYC 6

Obviously guns and trucks produce the same amount of deaths.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 11:52 AM
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Texas 26.

Las Vegas 58

NYC 6

Obviously guns and trucks produce the same amount of deaths.
The people in New York are just as dead as the people in Vegas. If one of your loved ones were one of them you probably would feel differently about the diversity visa program and maybe have a little more respect for the ability of a crazy (or a terrorist) to do harm with something other than a gun.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 12:10 PM
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Death tolls:

Texas 26.

Las Vegas 58

NYC 6

Obviously guns and trucks produce the same amount of deaths.
The people in New York are just as dead as the people in Vegas. If one of your loved ones were one of them you probably would feel differently about the diversity visa program and maybe have a little more respect for the ability of a crazy (or a terrorist) to do harm with something other than a gun.


Had the terrorist in NY had a gun, there would have been many more deaths than there were. Come on, you have to admit that. Sure, crazy people can always find some other type of weapon, but a car, knife or single shot black powder riffle will not be as effective as an AR-15 in killing lots of people in just seconds. But hey, keep talking about banning trucks or knifes if you think it will help.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 12:27 PM
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The people in New York are just as dead as the people in Vegas


My point exactly. I mean, what does the number of fatalities have to do with anything? Whether itís 1 or 100, dead is dead, right?

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 12:29 PM
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Obama and his administration failed and people were murdered.


Absurd.

Believe me, the SNAFU rate doesn't change from admin to admin - as a gummint wildland firefighter since the Reagan era I can attest. Most of the time we do alright, other times, not so great. Totally got asskicked this summer, lives lost, glaring mistakes were certainly made, and it had nothing to do with the Trump admin.

Blaming Obama and his administration for a clerical error that occurred while he was president is patently ridiculous, and undercuts the merit of your statements on any subject. Your overriding impulse to attack Obama, liberals, and "The Left" has robbed you of the ability to do more than parrot the same theme over and over, regardless of the issue.

You sir, have been hoisted by your own petard.


[Edited on 11/8/2017 by BrerRabbit]


Still running from the truth.
Not surprising.
Why hold the people actually responsible for their failures when you can divert to nonsense and obscure the issue.

Still waiting for you far-left extremist to post your proposed gun control legislation and explain to us all how that would have prevented the shooting in Texas.

What, no response again?
Typical.


 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 01:09 PM
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Death tolls:

Texas 26.

Las Vegas 58

NYC 6

Obviously guns and trucks produce the same amount of deaths.
The people in New York are just as dead as the people in Vegas. If one of your loved ones were one of them you probably would feel differently about the diversity visa program and maybe have a little more respect for the ability of a crazy (or a terrorist) to do harm with something other than a gun.


You missed the point. Or maybe you were just conveniently obtuse to fit your own rhetoric.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 01:14 PM
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Death tolls:

Texas 26.

Las Vegas 58

NYC 6

Obviously guns and trucks produce the same amount of deaths.
The people in New York are just as dead as the people in Vegas. If one of your loved ones were one of them you probably would feel differently about the diversity visa program and maybe have a little more respect for the ability of a crazy (or a terrorist) to do harm with something other than a gun.


You missed the point. Or maybe you were just conveniently obtuse to fit your own rhetoric.
I didn't miss anything. You are the one keeping score, not me. 2112 get's it maybe he could explain it to you.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 01:15 PM
Ok, mule how about an opinion and solution idea from you? You demanded that from me, I posted some ideas you thought were dumb, but I offered an opinion and solution without bashing anyone.

Your turn.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 02:45 PM
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Texas 26.

Las Vegas 58

NYC 6

Obviously guns and trucks produce the same amount of deaths.


The people in New York are just as dead as the people in Vegas. If one of your loved ones were one of them you probably would feel differently about the diversity visa program and maybe have a little more respect for the ability of a crazy (or a terrorist) to do harm with something other than a gun.


Exactly. But it's not a Mental Health issue.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 02:52 PM
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The people in New York are just as dead as the people in Vegas


My point exactly. I mean, what does the number of fatalities have to do with anything? Whether itís 1 or 100, dead is dead, right?


Have to agree with Boyton. Just throw quantification out the window to achieve equality to justify a premise. Works every time.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 02:53 PM
Exactly. Itís about one thing and one thing only. Itís not a complex issue. It canít be about guns because itís about mental health. It canít be both, morons, duh.
 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 03:27 PM
It does seem to be more complicated for some than others.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 03:42 PM
Can you believe those idiots who think itís a complex issue involving many factors. Such morons, lol!
 

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Nothing will change. Not yesterday, today, tomorrow or ever.


I knew that if you posted you would say exactly that.

So then, why bother talking/posting about it? Why waste your time, why waste my time, why everyone else waste time? Why do we come to the internet to read and comment about issues?


Interesting that of all the responses, my simple one upsets you the most. Why?

 

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Mental illness is a lazy answer.

This guy turned out to have a history of domestic abuse & was literally gunning for his in-laws. Las Vegas - financial problems. Charleston - angry young man. Several revenge murders at former workplaces. Columbine was 2 high school misfits.

People behind bars for murder aren't all mentally ill. There's anger and hate and vengeance - none of which are classified in the DSM V.






Every country in the world has people with mental illness. Only this country has so many mass killings. It is not a mental health issue.

Besides that, the GOP Congress passed a law that allows people with mental illness to buy guns. Trump signed it. The latest health care reform failure would have greatly reduced the coverage of mental illness. For any conservative to cry "it isn't guns, it is mental illness" is just a fraud. It's guns and the easy access to them by people both mentally stable and mentally ill.


Wrong!!!!!!!!

They rolled back an Obama bill that added several hundred thousand Social Security recipients to a data base as being "mentally ill" without due process. None of the people added were adjudged to be mentally ill by a court of law. The were losing their rights to a half baked proposal. If you keep repeating that lie, then you're the one mentally ill.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 09:27 PM
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It is a mental health issue for sure. So letís leave a wide open path for them to purchase automatic weapons!


Why would you propose that? Are you crazy?

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 09:33 PM
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I'm with Pat Robertson on this one, and I can't stand him. This was another guy whacked on SSRI. Common element in many of these off the wall "senseless" events. Mandatory confiscation of all weapons, down to slingshots squirt guns and zippos upon prescrip of psych meds would take a big bite out of this problem.



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If the Air Force had reported his conviction, prison sentence, escape from a mental institution, and his mental state, that would have been standard procedure.
The law has been on the books for years about domestic abuse and the prohibition of gun ownership.

 

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Mental illness is a lazy answer.

This guy turned out to have a history of domestic abuse & was literally gunning for his in-laws. Las Vegas - financial problems. Charleston - angry young man. Several revenge murders at former workplaces. Columbine was 2 high school misfits.

People behind bars for murder aren't all mentally ill. There's anger and hate and vengeance - none of which are classified in the DSM V.






Every country in the world has people with mental illness. Only this country has so many mass killings. It is not a mental health issue.

Besides that, the GOP Congress passed a law that allows people with mental illness to buy guns. Trump signed it. The latest health care reform failure would have greatly reduced the coverage of mental illness. For any conservative to cry "it isn't guns, it is mental illness" is just a fraud. It's guns and the easy access to them by people both mentally stable and mentally ill.


Wrong!!!!!!!!

They rolled back an Obama bill that added several hundred thousand Social Security recipients to a data base as being "mentally ill" without due process. None of the people added were adjudged to be mentally ill by a court of law. The were losing their rights to a half baked proposal. If you keep repeating that lie, then you're the one mentally ill.



People who can't take care of their own affairs have no business carrying firearms. People receiving social security for mental health issues have no business owning firearms. People on the terrorist watchlist should not be able to purchase firearms. These are common sense. I have no idea why gun rights activists can't get behind these common sense restrictions. Obviously you haven't had anyone close to you murdered or I can't imagine you supporting this insanity.

 

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Nothing will change. Not yesterday, today, tomorrow or ever.


I knew that if you posted you would say exactly that.

So then, why bother talking/posting about it? Why waste your time, why waste my time, why everyone else waste time? Why do we come to the internet to read and comment about issues?


Interesting that of all the responses, my simple one upsets you the most. Why?


It doesn't upset me at all. It was just so predictable. Maybe you are short on time or just at the point that you think it is pointless to go into a forum and talk about stuff. It's fine. But I recall so many topics where that is your post. The "nothing will change".

And it just makes me wonder, if that is your position why are we even wasting time trying to talk about it? If nothing will change why don't we just stop even bringing stuff up?

 

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Nothing will change. Not yesterday, today, tomorrow or ever.


I knew that if you posted you would say exactly that.

So then, why bother talking/posting about it? Why waste your time, why waste my time, why everyone else waste time? Why do we come to the internet to read and comment about issues?


Interesting that of all the responses, my simple one upsets you the most. Why?


It doesn't upset me at all. It was just so predictable. Maybe you are short on time or just at the point that you think it is pointless to go into a forum and talk about stuff. It's fine. But I recall so many topics where that is your post. The "nothing will change".

And it just makes me wonder, if that is your position why are we even wasting time trying to talk about it? If nothing will change why don't we just stop even bringing stuff up?


On this topic, guns and gun control, nothing will ever change. Ever.

The last time the FBI even tried to count, there's more guns in our country than people. Impossible for the government to take them all away.

Death by shooting, whether it's one person or two or twenty or thirty, has become an accepted risk in our society. People are obviously more than willing to live with it, and living with that risk in order to retain the right to own a gun is one that again, plenty of people are willing to live with.

In order to "do something" about mental illness, we as a country would have to come to terms with the fact that mental health issues are an issue to begin with. That's not happening anytime soon, because it's simply too easy to go get a pill for whatever your issue is.

I'm not blowing off the topic by saying nothing will change on guns, because it hasn't yet and never will. I don't like guns and don't own one, but if you want to have a howitzer in your driveway I don't care. I don't have the "typical" liberal opinion on this. I truly believe that the notion of any type of gun restriction, legislation or any other type of regulatory effort is nothing but a waste of time. I live in a deeply red state with basically no gun restrictions. Guess I'll just live with it. My opinion on it does not matter.

 

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  posted on 11/8/2017 at 10:20 PM
I think what I'm hearing from people around me is more and more ordinary, not necessarily engaged, people are starting to question the process of buying and owning and the types of guns. Plenty have been calling for it for some time, but now there is more of it from other people. We all know there are so many weapons available that illegal access is going to remain an option for people who can't obtain a gun legally. But having a more tightly regulated process is growing among people that otherwise don't have opinions on legal or political topics. Maybe that trickles up to the candidates. There are some gun supporting Democrats and some less gun friendly Republicans.
 

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I think what I'm hearing from people around me is more and more ordinary, not necessarily engaged, people are starting to question the process of buying and owning and the types of guns. Plenty have been calling for it for some time, but now there is more of it from other people. We all know there are so many weapons available that illegal access is going to remain an option for people who can't obtain a gun legally. But having a more tightly regulated process is growing among people that otherwise don't have opinions on legal or political topics. Maybe that trickles up to the candidates. There are some gun supporting Democrats and some less gun friendly Republicans.


Haven't the reactions, though, become pretty tightly connected with mass shooting events, and those reactions all have the same short shelf life? This shooting will not be a story a week or so from now. Everyone will move on.

 

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