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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 10:55 AM
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I am a pilot and I didn't have to pass any kind of mental health test to take flying lessons.


Appreciate the heads up.

Now that made me laugh!

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 11:16 AM
A lot of you speak as if it is not possible to kill 59 and injure 500 in one incident with anything other than a modified gun. That is just not true. My point to all of you having such a hard time understanding it is simple. If there is a will there is a way. Bombs, planes, whatever. Someone said nobody had ever killed over 50 people and injured 500 with pipe bombs. Well, before last weekend no one had ever done it in the U.S. with guns either.
He chose guns.
He spent a great deal of time money & effort to commit this horrific crime.
Had he spent the same amount of time, money & effort I am sure he could have done even more damage with explosives.

Heck a person could do an awful lot of damage with very little planning by flying a plane right into a stadium full of people. It takes a SICK MF to plan and carry out any kind of mass murder and THAT my friends is the problem. Not the guns.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 12:07 PM
A reminder to everyone that our police require all recruits to submit to evaluations, both physical and mental, before hire, to determine fitness and competency to protect and serve. Can you believe how misguided they are! LOL, what a bunch of fools!
 

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A reminder to everyone that our police require all recruits to submit to evaluations, both physical and mental, before hire, to determine fitness and competency to protect and serve. Can you believe how misguided they are! LOL, what a bunch of fools!


How many have slipped through? How many were good candidates but didn't meet the "unwritten" requirements for employment. Ya know those pesky "I don't like your political affiliations", or "I just don't want to hire you" ones.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 12:51 PM
All debate aside, there are two commonly owned products in American homes that can make a gas cloud that disperses the oxygen in the air and causes suffocation. I'm not going to name them, but I will say it was used during WW1.

 

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I'm now wondering when the second amendment was written that they would have put someone's right for a thrill on the gun range over public safety. Because at this point that really what its about.

No one wants the pistol, shotgun or deer gun from you. The majority has spoken loudly so don't play hear no evil...its tiresome

Assault weapons are used only on the gun range or other place to catch a thrill. I don't think anyone hunts with them...nobody that I know does...but I cant say that people haven't tried...

So much has changed about what a gun was used for then and what its used for now. I'm guessing that most of you go to the grocery store for food...so hunting really isn't a necessity...its really a sport now...we don't have a war on our streets except for the ones we bring on ourselves and your right to be armed has never stopped one of these events. In fact the people who did have guns that night ran scared too...as there were several people who handed their weapons to police...smart thing to do....give them to who really understand their use

all of your argument are old and full of holes....I don't believe the second amendment allows you a thrill over public safety. No one needs an assault weapon but the military

The NRA needs to focus on picnics and dinner dances for their members and let the Adults in the room do the speaking. We've always monitored the toys children play with...time to do it again

Stop looking at weapons as toys...start looking at them as weapons

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 01:21 PM
The world is the devil's playground. buckle up, and act accordingly.
 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 01:40 PM
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All debate aside, there are two commonly owned products in American homes that can make a gas cloud that disperses the oxygen in the air and causes suffocation. I'm not going to name them, but I will say it was used during WW1.


You could drop a piano on someone. But people don't, so we're not trying to solve a problem that isn't there. Lots of objects could be dangerous if you have a lot of time and imagination on your hands. However, there is a problem with large-scale killings by use of high powered firearms. So maybe address products that are being used, rather than waste time with hypotheticals.

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How many have slipped through?


How many? Do you know, or is this just another hypothetical? A lot? A few? And even if some have slipped through, does that mean we shouldn't bother trying?

Let's hear some realistic solutions, not a bunch of excuses.

 

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All debate aside, there are two commonly owned products in American homes that can make a gas cloud that disperses the oxygen in the air and causes suffocation. I'm not going to name them, but I will say it was used during WW1.


You could drop a piano on someone. But people don't, so we're not trying to solve a problem that isn't there. Lots of objects could be dangerous if you have a lot of time and imagination on your hands. However, there is a problem with large-scale killings by use of high powered firearms. So maybe address products that are being used, rather than waste time with hypotheticals.

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How many have slipped through?



How many? Do you know, or is this just another hypothetical? A lot? A few? And even if some have slipped through, does that mean we shouldn't bother trying?

Let's hear some realistic solutions, not a bunch of excuses.


The arguments are never intelligent and thought out. They're so attached to their toy and fears plus to hide behind the 2nd amendment for a thrill at the gun range.

I bet they have a hard time realizing that 77% of the US doesn't own a weapon.

I didn't grow up in a gun culture. My farther said when he came back from WWII that he saw enough of what guns could do. His words to me when I asked for a gun. Are you scared?? or violent?? or when the day comes your so scared will you become violent? Can you deal with the emotions of killing someone?

In my family we weren't allowed to be scared of the unknown boogie man. I'm 60 and there hasn't been one day in my life that a gun would have been a good tool to have. Thank you dad for not allowing me to be fearful of the world around me no matter how much anyone else is afraid

If you hunt or collect plugged historic guns then I'll put you in the sports category....other than that you're either scared or a violent person...you won't change my mind

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 02:02 PM
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Since the OKC bombing, an effort was made to regulate and more easily track the purchase of large quantities of fertilizer. Also, companies have attempted to make the fertilizer less explosive. Regulation seems to have made a difference; or perhaps semi-automatic weapons are just much more easier to acquire.


"Paddock had 1,600 rounds of ammunition in his car, along with fertilizer that can be used to make explosives and 50 pounds of Tannerite , a substance used in explosive rifle targets...."

...an effort was made...
...have attempted to make...

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All debate aside, there are two commonly owned products in American homes that can make a gas cloud that disperses the oxygen in the air and causes suffocation. I'm not going to name them, but I will say it was used during WW1.


You could drop a piano on someone. But people don't, so we're not trying to solve a problem that isn't there. Lots of objects could be dangerous if you have a lot of time and imagination on your hands. However, there is a problem with large-scale killings by use of high powered firearms. So maybe address products that are being used, rather than waste time with hypotheticals.

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How many have slipped through?



How many? Do you know, or is this just another hypothetical? A lot? A few? And even if some have slipped through, does that mean we shouldn't bother trying?

Let's hear some realistic solutions, not a bunch of excuses.


The arguments are never intelligent and thought out. They're so attached to their toy and fears plus to hide behind the 2nd amendment for a thrill at the gun range.

I bet they have a hard time realizing that 77% of the US doesn't own a weapon.

I didn't grow up in a gun culture. My farther said when he came back from WWII that he saw enough of what guns could do. His words to me when I asked for a gun. Are you scared?? or violent?? or when the day comes your so scared will you become violent? Can you deal with the emotions of killing someone?

In my family we weren't allowed to be scared of the unknown boogie man. I'm 60 and there hasn't been one day in my life that a gun would have been a good tool to have. Thank you dad for not allowing me to be fearful of the world around me no matter how much anyone else is afraid

If you hunt or collect plugged historic guns then I'll put you in the sports category....other than that you're either scared or a violent person...you won't change my mind



The key words here were ALL DEBATE ASIDE, and the application isn't hypothetical. It was used during WW1. Many were killed or at least severely disabled from the gas.

You did notice the QUESTION MARKS. They were asked to make people think about if the testing is truly effective and if the person doing the testing could have had their own motives in mind to who gets on the job.

Think on it.

 

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Since the OKC bombing, an effort was made to regulate and more easily track the purchase of large quantities of fertilizer. Also, companies have attempted to make the fertilizer less explosive. Regulation seems to have made a difference; or perhaps semi-automatic weapons are just much more easier to acquire.


"Paddock had 1,600 rounds of ammunition in his car, along with fertilizer that can be used to make explosives and 50 pounds of Tannerite , a substance used in explosive rifle targets...."

...an effort was made...
...have attempted to make...

If someone wants it, they will find it.


I never said it was impossible to get. It's regulated, but it's commercially available.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 02:36 PM
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I never said it was impossible to get. It's regulated, but it's commercially available.


But regulation keeps the bad guys from getting these things, right? You think if military weapons were banned, they would be impossible to get? Doubtful.

 

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The key words here were ALL DEBATE ASIDE, and the application isn't hypothetical. It was used during WW1. Many were killed or at least severely disabled from the gas.



We are talking about trying to prevent crimes on civilians peoples, not war. So unless you can name an instance where this has been used on a crowd of innocent civilians in this country, it's hypothetical. People poison their spouses with anti-freeze, but that doesn't happen on a large-scale often (well, ever) so there isn't debate about it.

 

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But regulation keeps the bad guys from getting these things, right?


This notion makes the anti gun-control people seem deranged - not one person, not even crazy man Obama, suggested any proposed measure should completely eliminate our problems with guns. it is to reduce them, and make it more difficult to commit mass murder. if the anti gun-control crowd wants to help their cause, they should demonstrate a greater understanding of the issue.

 

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But regulation keeps the bad guys from getting these things, right?


This notion makes the anti gun-control people seem deranged - not one person, not even crazy man Obama, suggested any proposed measure should completely eliminate our problems with guns. it is to reduce them, and make it more difficult to commit mass murder. if the anti gun-control crowd wants to help their cause, they should demonstrate a greater understanding of the issue.


What is one's ideal number to reduce 300 million guns to?

 

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But regulation keeps the bad guys from getting these things, right?


This notion makes the anti gun-control people seem deranged - not one person, not even crazy man Obama, suggested any proposed measure should completely eliminate our problems with guns. it is to reduce them, and make it more difficult to commit mass murder. if the anti gun-control crowd wants to help their cause, they should demonstrate a greater understanding of the issue.



The big question is "How do they plan to reduce the number of guns in circulation?"

 

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If you hunt or collect plugged historic guns then I'll put you in the sports category....other than that you're either scared or a violent person...you won't change my mind
Yet your posts seem to indicate that it is important to you to change the minds of others that don't agree with you? Explain that please. Are you automatically right because that is what your father taught you? According to your theory everyone that owns guns that are not historic or for hunting is potentially violent. Explain that math too if you would?

 

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The big question is "How do they plan to reduce the number of guns in circulation?"

AND, to what level do they reduce the amount? Will only having 100 million guns reduce mass shootings?
The Vegas Shooter had 23 guns, Colorado shooter had 4 guns. 27 guns is roughly .000000076% of all firearms in the United States. Two shootings happened using 1 billionth of a percent of total guns in our Nation. For any significant effect, you would almost have to somehow remove every gun in the country, not likely to happen.

 

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If you hunt or collect plugged historic guns then I'll put you in the sports category....other than that you're either scared or a violent person...you won't change my mind
Yet your posts seem to indicate that it is important to you to change the minds of others that don't agree with you? Explain that please. Are you automatically right because that is what your father taught you? According to your theory everyone that owns guns that are not historic or for hunting is potentially violent. Explain that math too if you would?



100% of the shooting are by those who own(possess) guns....at some point 100% of them became violent...and I'm discussing unnecessary gun violence so keep the rhetoric....I'm also sure at some point they said the same things and thought the same things you do as its the typical rhetoric gun lovers have. Not me

That guy that did the shooting owned legal weapons for decades before becoming violent...

I wonder what the odds are that someone who doesn't own(possess) a gun does a gun violence shooting....might be an interesting stat to see

 

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You said EVERYONE who owns a gun other than for hunting or collecting. Explain THAT with no rhetoric.

You would have to be even more of a dumbass than some of these posts imply to not think those that have already committed the crimes are viloent DuHHH.

My neighbor doesn't hunt, doesn't collect historic guns but owns a pistol. So he is violent?. Explain please.

 

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The big question is "How do they plan to reduce the number of guns in circulation?"

AND, to what level do they reduce the amount? Will only having 100 million guns reduce mass shootings?
The Vegas Shooter had 23 guns, Colorado shooter had 4 guns. 27 guns is roughly .000000076% of all firearms in the United States. Two shootings happened using 1 billionth of a percent of total guns in our Nation. For any significant effect, you would almost have to somehow remove every gun in the country, not likely to happen.



So............ what is your answer to reduce these kinds of deadly events? Saying how not to fix it does not fix it.


 

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But regulation keeps the bad guys from getting these things, right?


This notion makes the anti gun-control people seem deranged - not one person, not even crazy man Obama, suggested any proposed measure should completely eliminate our problems with guns. it is to reduce them, and make it more difficult to commit mass murder. if the anti gun-control crowd wants to help their cause, they should demonstrate a greater understanding of the issue.



Exactly. My younger brother suggested to me that he is feeling less liberal after seeing college aged protesters in Berkeley marching with fake "menstrual blood" smeared all over their faces to protest Trump's anti-women policies. He gets why they are protesting, but he feels that makes the whole side of the argument look stupid.

When someone says we should try to figure out a way to greatly reduce the ease with which mass murderers carry out mass murder, and gun-nuts scream about destroying the constitution, it is a similar spectacle.

 

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The big question is "How do they plan to reduce the number of guns in circulation?"

AND, to what level do they reduce the amount? Will only having 100 million guns reduce mass shootings?
The Vegas Shooter had 23 guns, Colorado shooter had 4 guns. 27 guns is roughly .000000076% of all firearms in the United States. Two shootings happened using 1 billionth of a percent of total guns in our Nation. For any significant effect, you would almost have to somehow remove every gun in the country, not likely to happen.



You are talking about a couple of events as if there are no other shootings going on. There are murders by gun daily all over the country. The entire problem needs to be addressed.

Anyone else notice how the pro-gun arguments are always based on cherry picked facts while the majority of events are ignored?

 

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What is one's ideal number to reduce 300 million guns to?


I wasn't clear - I was saying it's about reducing the number of problems associated with gun ownership, meaning accidental deaths, and deranged lunatics going into a store and purchasing an AR-15. It's never been about "stopping them all". It just shouldn't be so damn easy - you should have to demonstrate competency first before buying. I can't imagine why anyone would be against that.

 
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