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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:14 PM
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Neo-Nazi's want to bring war to the streets...because they know the only people opposing them are unarmed innocent people who they are there to terrorize

They are terrorist just like ISIS. Deal with them just like we deal with ISIS. Define them through legislation as enemy combatants just like we did the confederacy

They don't just want to speak they want to kill. But they want to kill unarmed innocent people


In another thread I joined the complaints on the police. They should not have allowed either side to be armed, have spray cans that were used as impromptu flame throwers, bats, poles, paint ball guns, and should have made all protestors remove protective gear (shields, gas masks, helmets, body armor) before any protests were scheduled to start.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/12/charlottesville-protetst-wha t-we-know-now/562372001/

Watch the video of the car crash, then scroll down and check out the photos.


If people want to protest then they shouldn't be bringing any kind of weapons....that is where the line between the 1st amendment gets crossed

All those Neo-Nazi's and KKK came weaponize....their 1st amendment rights don't speak anymore when violence is the reason you assemble


They weren't the only ones who came with weapons.



Do you think the protesters of the American Terrorists groups would have been weaponize if they didn't already know of the threat...and again they shouldn't be the ones confronting the American terrorist




That's why I said the police should have taken all the weapons away.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:14 PM
Mark Twain was ahead of his time; but also of his time. Used the n word throughout guck Finn. His statues; down or up?

General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?

It gets complicated real fast.

Palestinians call for death to Israel. BDS movement is legal to the best of my knowledge

Free speech is free speech

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:19 PM
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Neo-Nazi's want to bring war to the streets...because they know the only people opposing them are unarmed innocent people who they are there to terrorize

They are terrorist just like ISIS. Deal with them just like we deal with ISIS. Define them through legislation as enemy combatants just like we did the confederacy

They don't just want to speak they want to kill. But they want to kill unarmed innocent people


In another thread I joined the complaints on the police. They should not have allowed either side to be armed, have spray cans that were used as impromptu flame throwers, bats, poles, paint ball guns, and should have made all protestors remove protective gear (shields, gas masks, helmets, body armor) before any protests were scheduled to start.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/12/charlottesville-protetst-wha t-we-know-now/562372001/

Watch the video of the car crash, then scroll down and check out the photos.


If people want to protest then they shouldn't be bringing any kind of weapons....that is where the line between the 1st amendment gets crossed

All those Neo-Nazi's and KKK came weaponize....their 1st amendment rights don't speak anymore when violence is the reason you assemble


They weren't the only ones who came with weapons.



Do you think the protesters of the American Terrorists groups would have been weaponize if they didn't already know of the threat...and again they shouldn't be the ones confronting the American terrorist




That's why I said the police should have taken all the weapons away.


I agree...why did the American Terrorist bring weapons in the first place if all they wanted to do was speak??

See if you come unarmed there might be less chance of violence...Once they are armed the 1st amendment goes out the window

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:21 PM
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Mark Twain was ahead of his time; but also of his time. Used the n word throughout guck Finn. His statues; down or up?

General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?

It gets complicated real fast.

Palestinians call for death to Israel. BDS movement is legal to the best of my knowledge

Free speech is free speech


The difference is these groups want a war...but only with the innocent and unarmed and they want to stand behind the 1st amendment in the process???

Speak loud and clear...but don't incite violence

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:30 PM
Here's Arnold's message to Nazi's the KKK and all hate groups

https://www.facebook.com/attn/videos/1475398805828907/

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:32 PM
Goldtop, get a grip. Do you realize you are calling for the murder of hundreds of people who are only guilty of saying horrible things? As disgusting as they are, you are 100% in the wrong for suggesting that the US arrest/prosecute/kill them - if that's what you want, then you don't want America. The murderer with the car has been arrested - justice is being served. Many of us have relatives that fought in wars and we don't fly off the handle writing our congressman to hunt them down. You may not like it, but the 1st amendment is clear.
 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:35 PM
It's still not a crime till committed. Johnny Depp threatens to kill trump

It's either free speech for both sides or for neither

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:36 PM
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Goldtop, get a grip. Do you realize you are calling for the murder of hundreds of people who are only guilty of saying horrible things? As disgusting as they are, you are 100% in the wrong for suggesting that the US arrest/prosecute/kill them - if that's what you want, then you don't want America. The murderer with the car has been arrested - justice is being served. Many of us have relatives that fought in wars and we don't fly off the handle writing our congressman to hunt them down. You may not like it, but the 1st amendment is clear.


They can say what they want...they want to kill someone and they did this week

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:39 PM
If you see these groups as any different than ISIS I'm saying I don't....we all have the right to spout hate if we so choose....we don't have the right to bring weapons and try to kill innocent people

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:42 PM
You cannot lump the terrorist driver in with the entire group unless they planned it that way. Neo nazis have been here forever - watch the movie "American History X". They have never been a true threat and never will be. If a fringe group wants to remain here, they can, as long as they don't commit crime. The driver is a terrorist and should be prosecuted as such, but if the main group had nothing to do with the driver, then it's wrong to call the entire group terrorists. I hate them too but there should not be any legal action taken against them. To suggest it is un-American and only fuels their fire, and gives the right ammunition to use against the left. There are obviously much better ways, especially versus a tiny fringe group that can't influence sh*t.
 

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If the driver came to the rally with a plan to drive into the crowd I agree. If it was spontaneous reaction to the situation I don't agree. I have no problem with the govt violating any of my privatize to head off planned attacks by anyone
 

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You cannot lump the terrorist driver in with the entire group unless they planned it that way. Neo nazis have been here forever - watch the movie "American History X". They have never been a true threat and never will be. If a fringe group wants to remain here, they can, as long as they don't commit crime. The driver is a terrorist and should be prosecuted as such, but if the main group had nothing to do with the driver, then it's wrong to call the entire group terrorists. I hate them too but there should not be any legal action taken against them. To suggest it is un-American and only fuels their fire, and gives the right ammunition to use against the left. There are obviously much better ways, especially versus a tiny fringe group that can't influence sh*t.


When he ran the car into the woman all of the neo-nazis/hate groups should have been arrested with him as accessories to the crime...they all participated so they should have all been arrested

Speak loud and clear....don't come armed and say this is my 1st amendment right because that is an unlawful assembly...we also can't yell fire in a building full of people...there are limits to the 1st amendment

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 12:48 PM
They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want

When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist

 

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When he ran the car into the woman all of the neo-nazis/hate groups should have been arrested with him as accessories to the crime...they all participated so they should have all been arrested


How did they participate in the murder? Please cite sources that back your claims.

 

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When he ran the car into the woman all of the neo-nazis/hate groups should have been arrested with him as accessories to the crime...they all participated so they should have all been arrested


How did they participate in the murder? Please cite sources that back your claims.


Since they all came weaponized they didn't come to speak they came to incite violence. They must have all colluded to have weapons so that would be conspiracy. There was violence the night before the next day should have been banned right then.

The next day they again came with weapons so they didn't come to exercise their 1st amendment rights they came again as terrorist and they are all culpable for whatever injuries and death that happened.

This was planned by this so called "hate group"...they have many platforms to spout what they want...this was an attempt to bring their war to the streets and they succeeded

On top of that they were given pats on the back by DT

ISIS goes into neighborhoods and kills innocent people based on an ideology

Those "hate groups" did the same thing

 

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They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want

When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist


What ideology was being promoted?

I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"

I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.

 

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They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want

When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist


What ideology was being promoted?

I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"

I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.


Neo-Nazi is an ideology just as ISIS is an ideology...they came to fight for their ideology not speak. The other people have the right to defend themselves when the terrorist go from speaking to fighting

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Mark Twain was ahead of his time; but also of his time. Used the n word throughout guck Finn. His statues; down or up?

General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?

It gets complicated real fast.

Palestinians call for death to Israel. BDS movement is legal to the best of my knowledge

Free speech is free speech


Free speech is not absolute.

 

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General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?


Down.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 02:03 PM
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They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want

When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist


What ideology was being promoted?

I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"

I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.


What ideology is being promoted!? Again…

Here are my thoughts as to why I got into it with you previously. I felt that you greatly trivialized then and are doing it again now, an ORGANIZED invasion of armed Nazis and torchbearing Klan, maybe the largest gathering of race haters ever, into an American city, chanting the slogans of, wearing the clothing of, employing the tactics of (torches, murder - remember Heather Heyer?), and expressing admiration for (Adolf Hitler t-shirts) ideologies that went far beyond "free speech" - they actually led to the slaughter of millions of Jews, lynchings of innocents which were common practice until I was fifteen years old, and centuries of oppression and slavery. The oppression continues to this day. In the case of Nazism it took a goddam WORLD WAR to contain it. In the case of white supremacy in America, it took the goddam CIVIL WAR to contain it. Nazis were allowed to speak and operate freely in Germany, looked upon as beer-hall fringes, until one day they were in Poland, France, Italy, North Africa, Russia, Austria…if they hadn't hated Jewish physicists so much they could have easily had the bomb- they were pretty damn good at rocketry. It's not "protest" and "different opinions" - it's a murderous ideology and it's on the rise because the president and many of his advisers embrace this ideology. No need for sheets and hoods - suits and ties are fine now. No need to meet in the shadows anymore- Trump has our back.

 

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They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want

When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist


What ideology was being promoted?

I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"

I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.


The ideology that whites are the master race, so superior that they are justified in murdering millions of Jews. This went beyond ideology to action - it actually happened. The ideology that whites are superior to blacks, so much so that it is fine to buy, sell and enslave them. This went beyond ideology into action - this actually happened. The ideology that it is right to use terror and murder to suppress and oppress based on race. This goes beyond ideology - it actually happened and is still happening.

 

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They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want

When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist


What ideology was being promoted?

I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"

I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.


What ideology is being promoted!? Again…

Here are my thoughts as to why I got into it with you previously. I felt that you greatly trivialized then and are doing it again now, an ORGANIZED invasion of armed Nazis and torchbearing Klan, maybe the largest gathering of race haters ever, into an American city, chanting the slogans of, wearing the clothing of, employing the tactics of (torches, murder - remember Heather Heyer?), and expressing admiration for (Adolf Hitler t-shirts) ideologies that went far beyond "free speech" - they actually led to the slaughter of millions of Jews, lynchings of innocents which were common practice until I was fifteen years old, and centuries of oppression and slavery. The oppression continues to this day. In the case of Nazism it took a goddam WORLD WAR to contain it. In the case of white supremacy in America, it took the goddam CIVIL WAR to contain it. Nazis were allowed to speak and operate freely in Germany, looked upon as beer-hall fringes, until one day they were in Poland, France, Italy, North Africa, Russia, Austria…if they hadn't hated Jewish physicists so much they could have easily had the bomb- they were pretty damn good at rocketry. It's not "protest" and "different opinions" - it's a murderous ideology and it's on the rise because the president and many of his advisers embrace this ideology. No need for sheets and hoods - suits and ties are fine now. No need to meet in the shadows anymore- Trump has our back.



I think because these are American citizens we have a hard time defining them for what they really are "Terrorist" just as ISIS is a terrorist organization.

I have no problem with free speech....they didn't come to speak...they came to fight as Nazi's so we should take the fight they want to them with them same commitment we did in Europe.

They can march....scream......make video's....use social media to say what they want.....they can't come to fight and if they do it shouldn't be innocent civilians there to confront them...

They want a Nazi level war...give it to them...treat them as war criminals and send them away....

The weren't speaking go look at the videos

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 02:37 PM
I heard the Black Lives Matter organization described as a terrorist organization. All they are saying is, "please Mr. Policeman... stop killing black people." The truth is a bunch of cops have murdered a bunch of black people with apparently no cause. Because of systematic racism built into many American police departments the cops got away with murder.

Now I hear those same people who described BLM as a terrorist organization support the mission of white supremacist. A mission that entails wiping out all people of color.

You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. Calling for the eradication of people because of their race is not protected speech.

The antifascist who demonstrated in Charlottesville are not the same as the filthy Nazi animals that advocate for a superior race.

 

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Here's a good example of free speech:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/known-racist-and-a-nazi-sympathizer-ac tivist-projects-message-onto-trumps-dc-hotel/2017/08/18/9726a6c0-8413-11e7- 902a-2a9f2d808496_story.html?hpid=hp_local-news_trumphotel-1045am%3Ahomepag e%2Fstory&utm_term=.8240fb281731

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 02:46 PM
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they didn't come to speak...they came to fight


Can you provide evidence of this? The presence of weapons is not evidence, especially if they are registered.

 
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