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  posted on 8/31/2017 at 03:44 PM
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Hey mule, do you support the neonazis?


I am going to quote someone here, (Boynton Brother, whose opinion I rarely agree with) who had this to say about the "opposite side of the fence"...Meaning to me that if you don't agree with "A", it does not definitively mean you have chosen "B".

About "Antifa" and whether or not they are "leftists"....

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Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.



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  posted on 8/31/2017 at 07:33 PM
I liked watching Pelosi when she condemned Antifa for the senseless violence in Berkley.

 

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  posted on 8/31/2017 at 09:19 PM
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Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism?


Conservatives never condemn them, so...perhaps they do.

 

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Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.
Bhawk... I fixed this for you. You left off the most important part of the "QUOTE". You know the part where he got it right? Then you added a false statement to make it even more misleading. I think you have a bright future ahead of you at CNN!

 

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Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.
Bhawk... I fixed this for you. You left off the most important part of the "QUOTE". You know the part where he got it right? Then you added a false statement to make it even more misleading. I think you have a bright future ahead of you at CNN!


What makes it false? My opinion is as valid as yours!

 

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  posted on 9/1/2017 at 01:24 PM
So it looks like the conservative version of disagreeing is to accuse you of making up fake news.

Hey, my pointless and counterproductive generalizations are just as dumb as yours!

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So it looks like the conservative version of disagreeing is to accuse you of making up fake news.

Hey, my pointless and counterproductive generalizations are just as dumb as yours!



It's the same point I've been typing out here for years, I'll probably never stop.

There are thousands of examples of "the left" and "the liberals" being referred to as being a part of a single, uni-minded entity, open for whatever all-encompassing criticism there is, no matter how vile.

Tell you what, though, flip it around and do the same thing to "the right" or "the conservatives" then, hoo boy, look out. You never know who gets outraged and feels compelled to respond, even if they rarely post in the WP.

Goose/gander, all that. Unproductive? That ship sailed long ago when it comes to politics.

 

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  posted on 9/1/2017 at 08:56 PM
No doubt man, the whole polarization game is pretty stale.
 

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  posted on 9/1/2017 at 09:28 PM
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I liked watching Pelosi when she condemned Antifa for the senseless violence in Berkley.


I find it refreshing when a politician criticizes people on their side of the aisle when they do something wrong. Would be nice if Trump would criticise white supremacist in the same way.

 

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Figures of their own imagination. They are delinquents that use politics as an excuse to deal with their misery. Because THEY say they represent liberalism, it has to be true? Who are the alt-right neo-nazis representing....conservatism? I don't think so.
Bhawk... I fixed this for you. You left off the most important part of the "QUOTE". You know the part where he got it right? Then you added a false statement to make it even more misleading. I think you have a bright future ahead of you at CNN!


What makes it false? My opinion is as valid as yours!
Indeed your opinion is fine. I was referring to the way you quoted BB but left off the part where he said "I don't think so" and followed it instead with your opinion which was completely opposite of BBs opinion. Looked a lot like what I see on CNN. So no your statement is not false, just intended to mislead from the original intent of the post you quoted. Even sounds like CNN!

What I really found interesting, and sad, was that BB stated his opinion. BV agreed. They don't usually do that but they did here because they were right. AND they were decent enough to acknowledge that they agreed. So two people form opposite sides of something find common ground and you need to swoop in and stamp it out. NOW THAT sounds like CNN.

If Donald Trump or any republican were to really make this country great in EVERY way it wouldn't matter to people like you. You would still find (or make up) something to criticize. And it is true the other way around, and just as sad, wouldn't matter how great Hillary or Obama were, many wouldn't acknowledge that either.

 

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  posted on 9/5/2017 at 09:09 AM
KC, I don't see how Bhawk tried to mislead. If his opinion is valid, then why is my line "I don't think so" required to be there?

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So two people form opposite sides of something find common ground and you need to swoop in and stamp it out. NOW THAT sounds like CNN.


He didn't stamp out our common ground. It's still there.

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If Donald Trump or any republican were to really make this country great in EVERY way it wouldn't matter to people like you. You would still find (or make up) something to criticize. And it is true the other way around, and just as sad, wouldn't matter how great Hillary or Obama were, many wouldn't acknowledge that either.


Definitely true. It's was sad to see the way George W and Obama were treated. Both demonstrated that they are good hearted men with honor and dignity - hated, insulted, and judged unfairly. Trump hasn't demonstrated the slightest attempt to make this country great. Instead he goes on a daily childish tantrum picking fights with anyone in his path in order to feel special. He is nothing but a loser. He is a real life King Joffrey. If he ever decides to show any leadership capabilities, he'll have my support. Until then, I'd have to share Bhawk's frustration that conservatives don't do enough to stamp out the wretched garbage that exists in this country. "There's were good people on both sides." Pardoning the sheriff. Erasing Daca - this is code for supporting white supremacy. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

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Indeed your opinion is fine. I was referring to the way you quoted BB but left off the part where he said "I don't think so" and followed it instead with your opinion which was completely opposite of BBs opinion. Looked a lot like what I see on CNN. So no your statement is not false, just intended to mislead from the original intent of the post you quoted. Even sounds like CNN!


I have no clue where you are coming from with the CNN thing. I haven't watched CNN in literally several years. If it so you can make some grandiose point to yourself about how well you know liberals and it justifies how much you don't like them, knock yourself out.

I wasn't attempting to mislead anything. People here are smart enough to comprehend what's written.

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What I really found interesting, and sad, was that BB stated his opinion. BV agreed. They don't usually do that but they did here because they were right. AND they were decent enough to acknowledge that they agreed. So two people form opposite sides of something find common ground and you need to swoop in and stamp it out. NOW THAT sounds like CNN.


How'd I stamp it out? Two people have a perspective, I have mine. For a snowflake, I sure have a lot of power.

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If Donald Trump or any republican were to really make this country great in EVERY way it wouldn't matter to people like you.


People like me? What kind of person are you?

As to making the country great, I already think it's pretty great, but I have my own opinions, biases and beliefs. What Donald Trump or any Republican might think makes the country great and what I think makes the country great are most likely very different things.

 

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  posted on 9/5/2017 at 12:21 PM
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Pardoning the sheriff. Erasing Daca - this is code for supporting white supremacy. Nothing more, nothing less.


Yada, yada....Nothing more than opinion, stated as fact.

 

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Pardoning the sheriff. Erasing Daca - this is code for supporting white supremacy. Nothing more, nothing less.


Boytons' opinion.

Let me ask a question. If Obama had said he couldn't change immigration by executive order ("that's just not how it works") several times, then why did he do so? Obama said that's why there are several different branches of government, congress legislates laws, and the executive branch carries them out. (not a direct quote, but close). So Obama himself said that this executive order wasn't law, but policy.
Also, brought out in the title of the executive action is the word Deferred, as in Delayed. DACA status may be renewed, but it isn't permanent.
One of the problems I've had with DACA is that Obama tried to expand it to include more people and under different situations. Government bureaucracy, once established, tries to maintain itself even when it outlives it's purpose.

 

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Jerry, BIGV left out the "there were good people on both sides" quote, which is necessary to include in order to make my point. I don't think his Daca decision alone makes him support white supremacy. I don't think any one decision alone would lead me to believe he supports white supremacy. But collectively together, along with his hostile tone when discussing it, speaks volumes. I don't necessarily believe he is a white supremist himself, but there's no doubt in my mind he is openly catering to them. And I'm not referring to neo-nazis. I'm referring to the tens of millions of white Americans who believe they are better than minorities, but will never admit it out loud.

1. The Mexicans are the criminals, but no mention of the white Italian, Russian, and Irish mafia members who are here and most likely illegal.
2. Middle Eastern travel ban - he knew it wouldn't go through, but it sure pleased those white supremists
3. There are good people on both sides - as clear an admission as you can get
4. Daca - he has many options here, but he chose to eliminate it "for now". Why "for now"? So he can appease his white supremist followers with tough talk against anyone not American. Even if Daca stays, the white supremists still enjoyed hearing the threats, and enjoy seeing the Hispanic community in fear.
5. Border wall - a hostile symbolic message to Hispanics to "stay out. You are not welcome".
6. Increased ICE raids - instilling more fear in the Hispanic community.
7. Sherrif Joe - openly defied a federal order and continued civil rights abuses toward hispanics - pardoned. A message that it's ok to harass hispanics, and it's ok to defy a judge's order.
8. "Black people have nothing to lose".

I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. He's a genius businessman and as sly as a fox. And he knew the way to win was to announce these 8 "hints" to rally the base.

 

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Jerry, BIGV left out the "there were good people on both sides" quote, which is necessary to include in order to make my point. I don't think his Daca decision alone makes him support white supremacy. I don't think any one decision alone would lead me to believe he supports white supremacy. But collectively together, along with his hostile tone when discussing it, speaks volumes. I don't necessarily believe he is a white supremist himself, but there's no doubt in my mind he is openly catering to them. And I'm not referring to neo-nazis. I'm referring to the tens of millions of white Americans who believe they are better than minorities, but will never admit it out loud.
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I'm sorry that you have that opinion, just remember that it's your opinion and not fact.
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1. The Mexicans are the criminals, but no mention of the white Italian, Russian, and Irish mafia members who are here and most likely illegal. (Quote)

Illegal is illegal. While there are those from other countries here illegally, the main impact at this time is the border crossings from Mexico along the southwest borders. Criminal enterprises run drugs, guns, and other illegal items.
The "guides" that bring groups of illegal immigrants across the border sometimes do not deliver them to the land of opportunity they thought they were going to. Sometimes they are killed outright before they get to the border, sometimes they get across and are left in the back of a truck, and sometimes they go into a form of slavery where they are afraid to not do what they are told as they could be turned over to the authorities.
The wall and more aggressive border security would help prevent that.

(Quote)2. Middle Eastern travel ban - he knew it wouldn't go through, but it sure pleased those white supremists (Quote)

Could you tell me who these "white supremacists" are?

(Quote)3. There are good people on both sides - as clear an admission as you can get. (Quote)

Please explain. Are you saying that everybody there was not "good people"?

(Quote)4. Daca - he has many options here, but he chose to eliminate it "for now". Why "for now"? So he can appease his white supremist followers with tough talk against anyone not American. Even if Daca stays, the white supremists still enjoyed hearing the threats, and enjoy seeing the Hispanic community in fear.(Quote)

Why would the Hispanic community be in fear? The first letter in DACA is for DEFERRED, not PERMANENT.
Everyone who applied knew it wasn't a permanent solution, just renewable for a certain amount of time.
They were not made citizens or put on a fast track for citizenship. I think that was the big mistake about Obamas' program.
Again, could you elaborate on who these "white supremacists followers" are?

(Quote)5. Border wall - a hostile symbolic message to Hispanics to "stay out. You are not welcome". (Quote)

See response to your point #1

(Quote)6. Increased ICE raids - instilling more fear in the Hispanic community. (Quote)

Again, the raids are to find those who are here illegally. Why would they be afraid if they entered the country legally?

(Quote)7. Sherrif Joe - openly defied a federal order and continued civil rights abuses toward hispanics - pardoned. A message that it's ok to harass hispanics, and it's ok to defy a judge's order. (Quote)

Would you please put up a copy of the judges' order and explain what Sheriff Joe was doing illegally?

(Quote)8. "Black people have nothing to lose". (Quote)

Do you mean the statement made at a campaign rally to black voters about the difference made between voting for him or Clinton? "You live in poverty, you have no jobs, what do you have to lose." Implying that voting for Clinton would maintain the status quo instead of a chance of improvement.

(Quote)I'm sure I'm forgetting a few. He's a genius businessman and as sly as a fox. And he knew the way to win was to announce these 8 "hints" to rally the base.


Again, your opinion.

 

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I'm sorry that you have that opinion, just remember that it's your opinion and not fact.


You don't have to be sorry - I'm not concerned about him one bit. And yes, I realize what we all post here is opinion.

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Could you tell me who these "white supremacists" are?


I explained it already in the post - the tens of millions of white Americans who believe they are better than minorities, but will never admit it. IMO.

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Please explain. Are you saying that everybody there was not "good people"?


Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't think Trump was referring to the neo-nazis having good hearts deep down inside, and that they are just troubled youths. He was referring to their current ideology. In that regard, that entire group is nothing but a steaming pile of garbage. Trump had no issue calling a shooter "nothing but a loser". Why wouldn't he do the same with neo-nazis? Because he wanted to tip his hat - not to other neo nazis, but to the tens of millions of white Americans who liked hearing him say it. IMO.

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Why would the Hispanic community be in fear? The first letter in DACA is for DEFERRED, not PERMANENT. Everyone who applied knew it wasn't a permanent solution, just renewable for a certain amount of time. They were not made citizens or put on a fast track for citizenship.


I'm not talking about the nuts and bolts of the program or the people. My point is that he has the option to leave it alone, but he's choosing option B. You believe it's for one reason, I believe it's for another.

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Again, the raids are to find those who are here illegally. Why would they be afraid if they entered the country legally?


Clever. But some Presidents choose to combat our illegal immigration problem with strategies that don't involve an increased amount of ICE house raids. I know you want to move away from his methods and talk about the people's flaws instead, but I'm only talking about Trump's methods versus the methods of previous leaders.

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Would you please put up a copy of the judges' order and explain what Sheriff Joe was doing illegally?


What difference does it make if he was convicted in the court of law?



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Again, the raids are to find those who are here illegally. Why would they be afraid if they entered the country legally?


Clever. But some Presidents choose to combat our illegal immigration problem with strategies that don't involve an increased amount of ICE house raids. I know you want to move away from his methods and talk about the people's flaws instead, but I'm only talking about Trump's methods versus the methods of previous leaders.

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Would you please put up a copy of the judges' order and explain what Sheriff Joe was doing illegally?


What difference does it make if he was convicted in the court of law?


Two points here. First "Some Presidents".....So only the ones whose agenda fits your vision are correct?....Please

Second, you quote "The court of Law".....Does the "Law" not apply to illegal immigrants?...They continue to choose to break the first "law" of the country they are "Hoping" to be a part of for their own benefit. I repeat, for their own benefit...If we uphold the "Law" we are vindictive and mean, just looking to break the backs and families who are just here to make a better life for themselves.

Enter legally or pay the price. That is the Law.

 

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Again, the raids are to find those who are here illegally. Why would they be afraid if they entered the country legally?


Clever. But some Presidents choose to combat our illegal immigration problem with strategies that don't involve an increased amount of ICE house raids. I know you want to move away from his methods and talk about the people's flaws instead, but I'm only talking about Trump's methods versus the methods of previous leaders.

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Would you please put up a copy of the judges' order and explain what Sheriff Joe was doing illegally?


What difference does it make if he was convicted in the court of law?


Two points here. First "Some Presidents".....So only the ones whose agenda fits your vision are correct?....Please

Second, you quote "The court of Law".....Does the "Law" not apply to illegal immigrants?...They continue to choose to break the first "law" of the country they are "Hoping" to be a part of for their own benefit. I repeat, for their own benefit...If we uphold the "Law" we are vindictive and mean, just looking to break the backs and families who are just here to make a better life for themselves.

Enter legally or pay the price. That is the Law.


Arpaio was detaining legal American citizens because they were of Hispanic origin. Some spent days in jail for no crimes other than being Hispanic. He was ordered by the court to stop this obvious civil rights violation of citizens. He refused to do so and continued detaining legal residents and citizens. If I am to read your response correctly, you feel that as long as there are illegals in this country, Arpaio should be allowed to break the law.

 

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No, you most certainly did not read that correctly. But feel free to try again.

 

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So a hispanic American was detained because he had no papers (id, drivers license) to prove he wasnt a bad hombre from Mexico im a state overrun with illegals. Clearly a witchhunt against sherriff joe. He deserved his pardon for doing the job he was hired to do - uphold the law.

 

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So a hispanic American was detained because he had no papers (id, drivers license) to prove he wasnt a bad hombre from Mexico im a state overrun with illegals. Clearly a witchhunt against sherriff joe. He deserved his pardon for doing the job he was hired to do - uphold the law.


No, that isn't what happened at all. Research and read the court order. He violated a court order and was convicted of it. For a constitutionalist, you do not seem to believe in the Constitution very much. But then, neither does Trump.

 

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  posted on 9/13/2017 at 10:42 PM
Ask yourself this : If you personally knew a Mexican was here illegally, would you report him or her to La Migra?

A simple yes or no will suffice. Not the usual forktongue wishwash please thx.



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