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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 01:51 PM

The bids for designs were submitted, and finalists have been chosen.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/12/border-agency-says-it-has-picked-final ists-to-design-wall.html

Once the government funding issue (we are good till September) is mediated, then the contract can be awarded, and work can begin! Trump will get it done.

 

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This is one of the designs that I like. The way it will be built border patrol agents can see into Mexico but they cannot see anything of the US.

PennaGroup, a construction firm in Fort Worth, Texas, is one company vying to build the wall ó but itís not proposing a standard concrete fixture.

The company submitted a design for wall, made of wire and plexiglass, that would work similar to a one-way mirror. The US would be able to see through, while the Mexico side would not.

According to PennaGroupís summary of the design, it interviewed dozens of US border patrol agents to understand their jobs and what kind of characteristics they would want in a wall. Somewhat predictably, the agents said that the wall must be tall, be able to drain rainwater, have mechanized doors for vehicles, and be hard to climb, tunnel, or tamper with


http://sanmigueltimes.com/2017/05/american-architects-propose-one-way-plexi glass-sheet-for-trumps-border-wall/

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=W1%2bfiuZP&id =4F20DFD59F01764C66C860FCFE022EC0F61FCCD7&thid=OIF.4zJfq6mDsTL6GMAhXfFp kA&q=border+wall+designs&simid=146633590160&selectedIndex=0& ;ajaxhist=0

Remarks: Beautiful, functional. I love this design.



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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 01:53 PM
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The bids for designs were submitted, and finalists have been chosen.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/05/12/border-agency-says-it-has-picked-final ists-to-design-wall.html

Once the government funding issue (we are good till September) is mediated, then the contract can be awarded, and work can begin! Trump will get it done.
He will have to attend impeachment proceedings before then. aint happenin

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 01:57 PM
He has not done the things he is accused of. There is no basis for impeachment.

Here's another submission.

https://www.prlog.org/12632986-crss-releases-video-on-wall-proposal.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozsG3A04z_U&t=4s



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Gleason Partners of Las Vegas has a plan for the wall also - using solar energy

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/north-las-vegas/north-las-vegas-busines sman-submits-proposal-for-border-wall/

 

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http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/infrastructure/a25957/from-solar -panels-to-nuclear-waste-trumps-wall-proposals/

WTC Construction of St. Andrews, Texas, would want a precast concrete system that would look like its desert surroundings. The "Rammed Earth" model, as WTC calls it, would "provide a beautiful structure that will reflect the beauty of the border lands."

http://www.slate.com/articles/business/metropolis/2017/04/the_proposals_for _trump_s_border_wall_are_loud_ambitious_and_dumb.html





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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 02:21 PM
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He has not done the things he is accused of. There is no basis for impeachment.

Here's another submission.

https://www.prlog.org/12632986-crss-releases-video-on-wall-proposal.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozsG3A04z_U&t=4s



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[Edited on 5/18/2017 by gina]


How do you know he hasn't done what he's accused of? Did he tell you so, and you believe him? He is a serial liar. He's been caught so many times, people have stopped counting. His credibility is lacking and his approval rating for a president sucks. There are probably so many things far worse about Trumpo than what's ever been reported. If he stays in the spotlight long enough, he'll brag about all of his misconduct.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 02:32 PM
Well Martin, you are correct in that I do not "know"; however he earned my vote by his platform of promises to America, and his traditional values. The Democrats wanted to push an agenda that I do not agree with. My God is against gay anything, this was specified to each of the groups he left guidance with, starting with the Jews, Jesus re-iterated it to the Christians, and Archangel Gabriel told Muhammad the same thing when guidance was given to the Muslims.

Trump was for sovereignty of our borders and the borders of other countries. The Democrats wanted to continue their 'nation building' stance of going to other countries, ousting their leaders and putting in others. We have no legal or moral right to do that.

Trump wants to revise the tax code creating more eqitable tax brackets. I agree with that.

Trump believes in our Constitutional 2nd Amendment rights to bear arms, protect our lives, homes. The Democrats wanted to institute a global weapons confiscation scheme that they tried to push thru the United Nations, remember that?

Trump will not keep allowing businesses to go overseas to benefit foreign investment partners, he will grow and keep American jobs in America. I agree with that. Nafta was a bad deal and the other deals that followed were bad also.

Trump believes in the Constitution, the Democrats have been gutting it for years. (examples: NDAA violating due process, etc. etc)

Trump does not believe in abortions and selling baby parts and funding Planned Parenthood since it was proven that they do that. The Democrats have used this as a sticking point to hold up legislation he wanted to get passed by inserting a provision for that funding in other legislation.

Trump is against the pedophiles, the money laundering, the child sex trafficking of which many sitting members of Congress and the Senate have been involved in or at least enjoyed on junket, tax payer paid for parties that they go to. You will not find him at the Bohemian Grove satanic rituals many of the other luminaries go to. He will clean up the swamp.

He does not want a ONE WORLD GOVT., run by yet another deceptive crook. The Democrats want that New World Order. He does not and that is the biggest difference between him and the opposition.

And Yes, he will build that wall, he must build it, or the opposition will help the illegals get on busses, give them phony id, and bus them to the polls in 2020. Yes we must build that wall.



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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 03:53 PM
"Building the Wall"

Do it.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 05:40 PM
All talk, no action. the trump way.
 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 05:58 PM
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All talk, no action. the trump way.


Unless he can get Mexico to pay for it, it's a broken promise anyway.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 07:28 PM
Ain't gonna be no wall. Sorry about that.
 

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  posted on 5/19/2017 at 06:28 PM
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All talk, no action. the trump way.


Unless he can get Mexico to pay for it, it's a broken promise anyway.


I think he will find a way to make them pay for it, if not, I'd donate $5 or $10 as a tax contribution and if a lot of others also do that, we can get it done. I also think many veterans and others would volunteer time, skills and free labor to help with the effort.

 

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All talk, no action. the trump way.


Unless he can get Mexico to pay for it, it's a broken promise anyway.


I think he will find a way to make them pay for it, if not, I'd donate $5 or $10 as a tax contribution and if a lot of others also do that, we can get it done. I also think many veterans and others would volunteer time, skills and free labor to help with the effort.


He can't get the Republican Congress to authorize funds to start the wall. No way it gets built before he is impeached.

 

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All talk, no action. the trump way.


Unless he can get Mexico to pay for it, it's a broken promise anyway.


I think he will find a way to make them pay for it, if not, I'd donate $5 or $10 as a tax contribution and if a lot of others also do that, we can get it done. I also think many veterans and others would volunteer time, skills and free labor to help with the effort.


Remember that he said oh so many times that Mexico would pay for it. Wait & see.

He has a better chance of Russia paying for his big beautiful wall than either Mexico or the USA Taxpayers.

 

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All talk, no action. the trump way.


Unless he can get Mexico to pay for it, it's a broken promise anyway.


I think he will find a way to make them pay for it, if not, I'd donate $5 or $10 as a tax contribution and if a lot of others also do that, we can get it done. I also think many veterans and others would volunteer time, skills and free labor to help with the effort.


You think the wall is going to be built with $5 to $10 donations? Ha ha ha...Given the current cost projection, the wall will cost $170 per taxpayer. We all know that construction projects always cost more than original projections, so the price will only go up from there. I don't know about you, but I have better uses for $200 than a wall that isn't going to keep anybody out.

 

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Unless he can get Mexico to pay for it, it's a broken promise anyway.


I think he will find a way to make them pay for it, if not, I'd donate $5 or $10 as a tax contribution and if a lot of others also do that, we can get it done. I also think many veterans and others would volunteer time, skills and free labor to help with the effort.
open your own lemonade stand to pay for it.

 

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Unless he can get Mexico to pay for it, it's a broken promise anyway.


I think he will find a way to make them pay for it, if not, I'd donate $5 or $10 as a tax contribution and if a lot of others also do that, we can get it done. I also think many veterans and others would volunteer time, skills and free labor to help with the effort.
open your own lemonade stand to pay for it.


That could work $10 per glass with 6.7 billion customers. Should only take an afternoon. Maybe we could get Mexico to contribute a couple thousand since we would essentially be giving them the entire Rio Grande River as well, and then Trump could brag that he got them to pay for it. You could be onto something Pops.

 

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Compromise...

All law abiding illegal aliens can stay in the US with a pathway to eventual citizen ship.

Sanctuary cities are abolished.

Congress funds the Trump adiminstration immigration and border patrol expenditures. I've seen estimates of 8-50 billion for wall construction costs. The wall does not need built on the entire length of the border so I don't think the medium-to-high range of cost is accurate. I'd be happy if they just constructed the wall/fence deterent consistent with the 2006 secure fence act. I should look up the cost of that 11 year old bill signed into law had they built according to the law then we'd be better off now.

So how is that? Compromise...Congress funds the administration's immigration security initiatives and law abiding illegal immigrants will be safe but no city in the US can be a sanctuary city. Deal?

 

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Compromise...

All law abiding illegal aliens can stay in the US with a pathway to eventual citizen ship.

Sanctuary cities are abolished.

Congress funds the Trump adiminstration immigration and border patrol expenditures. I've seen estimates of 8-50 billion for wall construction costs. The wall does not need built on the entire length of the border so I don't think the medium-to-high range of cost is accurate. I'd be happy if they just constructed the wall/fence deterent consistent with the 2006 secure fence act. I should look up the cost of that 11 year old bill signed into law had they built according to the law then we'd be better off now.

So how is that? Compromise...Congress funds the administration's immigration security initiatives and law abiding illegal immigrants will be safe but no city in the US can be a sanctuary city. Deal?


Anyone who uses an estimate of $8 billion is just pulling a number out of their a$$. The existing 650 miles of fencing (which is certainly not impenetrable) on the border cost $7 billion. The wall will need to be 1,900 miles long, will require property be purchased. The purchase of property alone will much exceed $8 billion.

The most believable figures I've seen all put the cost well over $60 billion. Like I said, there will be a 100% chance of cost overruns. Plus, since the wall will need to be on the US side of the Rio Grande,we are essentially giving the river to Mexico.

As far as sanctuary cities, I am certainly not in favor of them. I don't believe that cities should be forced to spend their own money on immigration enforcement, but I do believe that anyone illegal immigrant that has broken the law should be turned over to federal authorities. I see no reason for cities to protect those caught conducting significant crimes. It makes no sense to me.

 

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Anyone who uses an estimate of $8 billion is just pulling a number out of their a$$. The existing 650 miles of fencing (which is certainly not impenetrable) on the border cost $7 billion. The wall will need to be 1,900 miles long, will require property be purchased. The purchase of property alone will much exceed $8 billion.

The most believable figures I've seen all put the cost well over $60 billion. Like I said, there will be a 100% chance of cost overruns. Plus, since the wall will need to be on the US side of the Rio Grande,we are essentially giving the river to Mexico.

As far as sanctuary cities, I am certainly not in favor of them. I don't believe that cities should be forced to spend their own money on immigration enforcement, but I do believe that anyone illegal immigrant that has broken the law should be turned over to federal authorities. I see no reason for cities to protect those caught conducting significant crimes. It makes no sense to me.


I agree with DHS director Kelly, that a wall is not needed the entire length of the border. I think the President can say he wants a physical barrier to impede illegal crossings and the department can go to work and decide how and where that is necessary and effective. I supported the Secure Fence Act as written in 2006, however it was not built as spec'd in the bill that passed with bipartisan support. So at the very least that should be corrected and improved upon.




 

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Anyone who uses an estimate of $8 billion is just pulling a number out of their a$$. The existing 650 miles of fencing (which is certainly not impenetrable) on the border cost $7 billion. The wall will need to be 1,900 miles long, will require property be purchased. The purchase of property alone will much exceed $8 billion.

The most believable figures I've seen all put the cost well over $60 billion. Like I said, there will be a 100% chance of cost overruns. Plus, since the wall will need to be on the US side of the Rio Grande,we are essentially giving the river to Mexico.

As far as sanctuary cities, I am certainly not in favor of them. I don't believe that cities should be forced to spend their own money on immigration enforcement, but I do believe that anyone illegal immigrant that has broken the law should be turned over to federal authorities. I see no reason for cities to protect those caught conducting significant crimes. It makes no sense to me.


I agree with DHS director Kelly, that a wall is not needed the entire length of the border. I think the President can say he wants a physical barrier to impede illegal crossings and the department can go to work and decide how and where that is necessary and effective. I supported the Secure Fence Act as written in 2006, however it was not built as spec'd in the bill that passed with bipartisan support. So at the very least that should be corrected and improved upon.






Assuming that Mexico doesn't pay for Trump's Wall, and that's a pretty good probability, what do you think the political fallout would be for Trump with his base supporters? That was one of his signature campaign promises. Or would his base really care, as they seem to continue to give him a pass on all of his missteps & failures to date?

With the significant costs associated with the Trump Wall, what programs would be OK to be reduced, eliminated, or raided to come up with the necessary $? Or would his massive tax cut proposed produce enough growth to go towards paying for the wall?

[Edited on 5/22/2017 by MartinD28]

 

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I actually read some things in the local papers up here that he would use a few things to offset SOME of the cost of the wall. Some of the things are:

1) cuts to food stamps (make eligibility harder to obtain),

2)cuts to Medicaid also. There are a lot of hungry out of work people so I don't agree with cuts to food stamps until everyone who wants a job (and can get a living wage job) gets one.

3) budget forecasting of profits from growth of the economy and jobs.

4) Private investors contributions.





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I actually read some things in the local papers up here that he would use a few things to offset SOME of the cost of the wall. Some of the things are:

1) cuts to food stamps (make eligibility harder to obtain),

2)cuts to Medicaid also. There are a lot of hungry out of work people so I don't agree with cuts to food stamps until everyone who wants a job (and can get a living wage job) gets one.

3) budget forecasting of profits from growth of the economy and jobs.

4) Private investors contributions.





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1. That would no dent the surface of the costs of the wall.

2. That budget has 0% chance of passing.

 

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Assuming that Mexico doesn't pay for Trump's Wall, and that's a pretty good probability, what do you think the political fallout would be for Trump with his base supporters? That was one of his signature campaign promises. Or would his base really care, as they seem to continue to give him a pass on all of his missteps & failures to date?

With the significant costs associated with the Trump Wall, what programs would be OK to be reduced, eliminated, or raided to come up with the necessary $? Or would his massive tax cut proposed produce enough growth to go towards paying for the wall?

[Edited on 5/22/2017 by MartinD28]


Good question that I'm not sure I have the answer to.

Mexico was never going to pay for it, as many pointed out very early on. The only thing I could figure during that election was that Trump was going to tariff Mexico imports and put those funds towards the wall. Trump never suggested that during the election so even though that idea was floated post-election I'm not sure that was ever his intention. At any rate, I don't think it is going to weigh him down from the base, but I think alot of non-base people voted for Trump which could've had just as much to do with pushing him over the finish line as anything else. So the reaction of those people may be one that holds it against him more.

What should be cut to fund the wall specifically? I can't answer that. I'm in favor of across the board budget cuts, perhaps 1/2% here or 1% there or 2% somewhere else. I know that defense officials and advocates have described the damaging effects of the sequester, but perhaps had more flexibility on how to apply the cuts could've been a better way to handle it. Nobody likes having money taken away from them and everyone always wants more. With automatic annual increases there is no incentive to spend less money at the government agencies and there should be a priority to save.

On tax cuts, I do believe that tax collections by the IRS can actually increase post tax cuts because I've seen it and posted the data here post the Bush tax cuts. The assumption is if you cut taxes you are cutting revenue to the treasury and if you raise taxes you bring in more money to the treasury, but raw data the IRS puts out doesn't support that.

In an ideal world I think we should have a balanced budget. That would need alot more revenue or alot more cuts. I'm still waiting to hear how they will pay for the infrastructure plan and how they are going to repatriot corporate earnings and how much that actually is.

How do you specifically fund the wall? Again, I don't believe it should be or needs to be the entire length of the boarder so I don't think the focus needs to be on the high end of the cost estimates.

Bottom line, I don't think that any specific cuts should be made to specifically go towards wall or fence construction. I do think that across the board spending cuts should take place, including defense and savings from those cuts could fund new expenditures. No "investor" will help fund boarder enforcement costs unless they can somehow get a monetary return on their investment, there will be few to none willing to step up on that (item 4 on Gina's list).

 
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