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  posted on 5/16/2017 at 10:24 AM
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In my view, the fact that the information is being reported now is more damaging than if it had been said and been kept in secret without anybody else knowing.


With all due respect, he's not only putting that foreign asset in danger, but he's jeopardizing our national security by displaying to our allies that we cannot adequately protect sensitive intelligence. His recklessness can and will get people killed. There is no defense or justification of this.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2017 at 11:39 AM
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The office of President is pretty scripted when you think about it. The system is in place that there are so many people around you both appointed advisors and career people at the agencies that it seems all you need is some common sense and reasonable judgement to not mess things up too badly. There are plenty of exceptions like how one reacts to unforeseen events or advancing certain policy positions. But really I think that alot of people with a certain level of basic political knowledge, average awareness of foreign affairs and communication skills along with respect for all the parties that provide the office of POTUS with the tools to be the POTUS could probably sit behind the desk and not screw things up too badly. Trump has proven to not possess those traits and is a bull in a china shop and throwing the whole works out of balance. Reckless...careless...clueless...

I don't think anyone would argue that people in the media and in the Washington machine have been trying to undermine and delegitimize Trump and his administration and ofcourse I would not argue that much of that has been brought on by Trump himself either in things he has said or done or things he didn't say or do that he should've.

Now this issue of what a President tells a foreign leader or representatives of a foreign country I don't think we should know any of it. What is said and done behind closed doors should stay behind closed doors. In my view, the fact that the information is being reported now is more damaging than if it had been said and been kept in secret without anybody else knowing.




I agree to a point. In a perfect world, it would be less damaging to the US if the world did not know how incompetent and what a buffoon our president is, but we are way beyond that. The world already knows. Nobody is surprise anymore. Really, the only hope we have now is for the Republicans in congress to become embarrassed enough to do something about it and correct the mistake before more damage is done.


When water finds it lowest level the Repubs in Congress will realize that their seats are in jeopardy. When they realize their seats, salaries, perks, and power are heading south, they may jump ship. Until then, the majority will hang in there with the idiot occupying the WH. They want him to stamp their policies. He is a danger to this country and is his own worst enemy with his stupid tweets and uncontrollable mouth. I'm surprised his head hasn't exploded from his inflated ego.

And to think that semi-intelligent individuals voted for this guy & continue to defend him.

Last night when CNN & MSNBC were all over Trump's security leak, FOX was reporting on Bin Laden's brother and the Miss USA Pageant. Glad to see FOX is carrying Trump's water and reporting on the real & non fake issues.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2017 at 02:29 PM
Israel was source for some of information shared with the Russians

From CNN's Evan Perez, Sara Murray and Elise Labott

Israeli intelligence was a source for some of the information ISIS bomb-making capabilities that Trump discussed with Russian diplomats, according to US and diplomatic officials.

The White House would not comment on Israel being the source.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2017 at 04:09 PM
ROGER STONE: I want to raise this question, though. Why is it that General [James] Mattis, General [H.R.] McMaster, John Brennan, formerly of the CIA, Michael Hayden, formerly of the CIA, and James Clapper. Why do these guys all have shaved heads?

ALEX JONES (HOST): Because that’s part of being a leather daddy.

STONE: Is it some secret club or something that they’re in? I mean, it defies the odds of coincidence, that every one of these guys have the same kind of look. There it is. Extraordinary. By the way [McMaster’s] smirk at the end of this kind of gives the whole thing away.

JONES: He looks like he could suck a golf ball through a garden hose.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2017 at 04:35 PM
Hey, why waste the time worrying about the potential security risks of a private email server when we can just launch sensitive info right from the President's giant taco bowl hole?

 

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  posted on 5/16/2017 at 04:36 PM
Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russ ia-investigation.html?_r=0

 

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  posted on 5/16/2017 at 05:08 PM
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Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russ ia-investigation.html?_r=0


The pathological liar and serial abuser of authority posing as POTUS gives us but one more gift to getting rid of him so we can "Make America Great Again" without him. It's just unbelievable how much damage he's done in such a short period of time. He has zero respect for the intelligence community and sees it as a pawn to bow down to him. When will Congress step up to the plate?

 

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  posted on 5/16/2017 at 07:27 PM
not surprising muleman started a new thread about a discredited story. he's still waiting for his talking points on this one.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2017 at 09:09 PM
It's not surprising to me that Trump would ask that Flynn investigation get dropped. He just doesn't understand how these things work. He doesn't understand how anything in Washington works.

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In my view, the fact that the information is being reported now is more damaging than if it had been said and been kept in secret without anybody else knowing.




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With all due respect, he's not only putting that foreign asset in danger, but he's jeopardizing our national security by displaying to our allies that we cannot adequately protect sensitive intelligence. His recklessness can and will get people killed. There is no defense or justification of this.



Only because we and the whole world knows it now. I can't believe that this is the only time that a US President has discussed or disclosed sensitive or classified information with representatives of a foreign country. I get it is different, it is Russia in light of the 2016 events and it is Trump. So that causes the anxiety level to rise. I personally just see no problem leaving private conversations be private and often everyone is better off without knowing about them. As it is now, the asset could be in danger and national security could be compromised because of the press report.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 10:16 AM
With each and every day Trump digging himself a deeper and deeper hole, how long can the Republicans in congress keep protecting him? It's almost like Trump is challenging them, daring them to do something.
 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 12:44 PM
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I personally just see no problem leaving private conversations be private and often everyone is better off without knowing about them.


No matter what is said?

Really?

 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 02:26 PM
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As it is now, the asset could be in danger and national security could be compromised because of the press report.


You mean, because of the President. The press is just doing its job - the leader lost his team and broke the rules. Not the press.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 05:54 PM
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McMaster's knows that the story did not say he revealed sources and methods so he can make this statement without lying. Unfortunately Trump gave the Russians enough intel to figure it out. When you get this type of intel from a secret source you are not supposed to share it with anyone, there are a few exceptions but to give this to an adversary is unbelievable.

Clearly Trump is compromised by the Russians and is a traitor to this country.


I'm redacting my response because some of the things it led to (videos). Hillary wants to keep her intimacies private, she has a right to do that. I feel more empathy for Bill after some of the stuff I saw. But it was interesting that reporters saw Hillary with an ID from the Communist party, if that is someone's affiliation, they should just proclaim that, not hide it under the cloak of democracy.



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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 06:19 PM
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McMaster's knows that the story did not say he revealed sources and methods so he can make this statement without lying. Unfortunately Trump gave the Russians enough intel to figure it out. When you get this type of intel from a secret source you are not supposed to share it with anyone, there are a few exceptions but to give this to an adversary is unbelievable.

Clearly Trump is compromised by the Russians and is a traitor to this country.


Watch the Clinton Chronicles on You Tube and then see if you still feel that way. He is trying to save this country, or what is left of it, while others want to implement a one world order with one king over the whole planet, that's the Democratic vision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPX1G--iE3Q



[Edited on 5/17/2017 by gina]
The fact that there are those who believe in conspiracy theory bullsh!t like this, is the reason why an inept, dangerous, idiot like trump got elected in the first place.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 06:53 PM
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I personally just see no problem leaving private conversations be private and often everyone is better off without knowing about them.


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No matter what is said?

Really?



Well, you don’t know what you don’t know. But yeah, I don’t think that we need to know everything that is said in government meetings beyond whatever their official statements are. I just don’t have an appetite for that type of information or knowledge and think big picture security interests are better off that way.

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As it is now, the asset could be in danger and national security could be compromised because of the press report.


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You mean, because of the President. The press is just doing its job - the leader lost his team and broke the rules. Not the press.



If nobody knew of the report who would know about whatever was discussed?

Some are assuming that because Russia knows this bit of information they would act in such a way that would undermine it. We don’t know that. They may or they may not. The information may have been of value to them as well for their security concerns. Did they know they were receiving something classified when it was told, or was it just a general conversation about said topic of a back-and-forth discussion? Now with it being public knowledge the whole world knows about it rather than just the people in the room at the White House.

I totally get why people are freaked out because it is Trump...and Russia.....But to me it makes not difference what President it is or would’ve been or historically was.

The issue here is that there is such a demand for leaked information, there is a big incentive for people to leak information and then of course the press for their own purposes of brand name promotion or whatever they put it out there. You could say they are doing their job as a check on our system...ok...I’m more inclined in this day and age to think it has more of a self-promotion element than otherwise. More of a ‘look what we have’ or ‘look what our team was able to acquire’ ‘we are the first to break this’ ‘we get credit for this and everyone will credit us for it’. Plus you have a President and an administration that much of the press and population in general absolutely despises who actively seek and desire as much bad news as possible.

But yeah, Obama, Bush, Clinton, whoever...what our President says to others in private meetings I feel should be in confidence. I’m just one person and that is one opinion.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 03:28 PM
Then why was Obama scandal-free for 8 years? Fox News made the same attempts but they were unsuccessful. A good leader won't produce ammo for his opposition. Liberals wrongly tried it with W over WMD's because they let their emotions cloud their judgment, and they failed too. I would love to see the gov't regulate any outlet that markets itself as news, because I do believe that journalistic integrity has been tossed aside for our mainstream cable news, and has become a dangerous poison to our country. But the root of our problem today falls squarely on those producing the ammo - the Trump administration.
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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 07:09 PM
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Then why was Obama scandal-free for 8 years?


Good one, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Purging Gitmo , NSA spying. No fortitude by the press to do any real reporting, culminating in the favoritism granted to Hillary in the email scandal

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Fox News made the same attempts but they were unsuccessful.


I dont recall fox calling Obama Hitler, a rapist, a misogynist, a psycopath, a fascit, a racisit

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A good leader won't produce ammo for his opposition.

True, not all people get handed a Nobel Peace award for doing nothing.

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Liberals wrongly tried it with W over WMD's because they let their emotions cloud their judgment, and they failed too.
Liberals failed because they had no spine when it mattered and went along with W to enter Iraq. Liberals couldnt unring that bell later on.


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I would love to see the gov't regulate any outlet that markets itself as news, because I do believe that journalistic integrity has been tossed aside for our mainstream cable news, and has become a dangerous poison to our country.


More regulation? The liberal response comes so easy for some. Can only imagine what news would look like if it mirrored Obamacare overhaul. Liberalism is a dangerous juice for the weak and scared.

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But the root of our problem today falls squarely on those producing the ammo - the Trump administration.
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Again, just because the MSM doesnt have a tingle running up their leg about Trump shouldn't let their hatred of Trump continue to cloud their reporting.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 07:27 PM
Goob, your arguments fall apart on further inspection.

Those "scandals" that you are citing were basically created by the GOP and Fox News and any investigations found nothing.

If you do not remember Fox saying those things, you either did not watch Fox or yoiou ae lying.

The Nobel Peace prize was awarded by the Nobel commission in Sweden. To use that against Obama is weak.

W lied about WMD's in Iraq. What would the conservative response be if a Dem had done that? Let me help you. Multiple investigations and talk of impeachment. I guess, in your mind, a president can lie if he is Republican.

Are you saying that the ACA overhaul should be passed? Despite the fat that the CBO has not come out with their findings?

Hatred of Trump. No, they are just reporting what rump and his people say and do. Please tell us the lies we have heard from the MSM about Trump. We'll wait.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 07:43 PM
Tell you what Goober, if after 7 separate investigations they find no Trump-Russia connection (as happened in Bengazi investigations), I will stop calling the Trump-Russia situation a scandal. Maybe you should stop referring to Bengazi as a scandal now too.

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 08:27 PM
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No fortitude by the press to do any real reporting


Translation: "I have no use for anything that does not validate my own worldview."

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 08:36 PM
This stuff is hilarious after all these years.

Coming up on 25 years of daily hatred of liberals and yet, it all means nothing.

Total control of the White House and Congress for the second time since 2000 and...nothing from the GOP and their devoted followers. The first time around, their President didn't issue a veto in six years and economy collapsed at the end of his second term.

Why aren't we living in Conservatopia by now?

No answers.
No solutions.
No legislation about jobs, the economy, nothing.
Nothing on healthcare. Passed hundreds of symbolic repeal measures for years and once they finally get something passed, by one vote, it's already doomed to die.
No leadership.
No governance.

Just a consistent hatred of liberals or anyone else that disagrees with them. Quite a track record.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 08:38 PM
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Benghazi, Fast and Furious, Purging Gitmo , NSA spying.


Why didn't the GOP do anything about any of it? Why didn't their righteous moral superiority prevail?

10 separate investigations and a Special Committee on Benghazi alone.

Why couldn't the GOP convict Hillary Clinton?

Who failed who?

 

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Can only imagine what news would look like if it mirrored Obamacare overhaul.


You mean the first overhaul effort that failed or the one that passed by one vote and has zero chance of getting out of the Senate?

 

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Liberalism is a dangerous juice for the weak and scared.


Conservatism is a selfish and convenient copout for people who don't give a **** about anyone else. Here we are.

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 08:57 PM
fantastic comments bhawk.

since the late 90's....conservatives....finally came into some kind of power in congress and since then the greatest thing they have done is be a party of opposition. they are great at saying NO....i mean really great.

but they have no record of passing meaningful legislation.

when i was younger.....i was taught that the GOP meant something more than just NO

but i have have learned that they are not capable of agreeing with even those within their own party

i have always felt that what is best for the country is a progressive congress and a conservative president

that model is now busted and has been for 20+( edit ok since mid to late 80's since i woke up?) years because there is too much lying

today i believe that conservatives....or a faction of them.....want to see the USA broken up and states have the rights to do horrible things to people living in them

there is no compassion in some groups for others in our country and this will continue

i have no idea how this can be fixed

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