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  posted on 5/15/2017 at 07:36 PM
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Post it. Prove it, otherwise you are a liar. I love this new way to behave under our new leadership - so much easier! Now I get it Trump supporters! #maga


We live in a post fact world. The election of Don the Con proves that facts no longer matter. You can make sh!t up, change your story over an over, and none of it matters, at least to the Trump supporters. Not sure if anybody else can get away with it though.

 

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  posted on 5/16/2017 at 09:36 PM
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Post it. Prove it, otherwise you are a liar. I love this new way to behave under our new leadership - so much easier! Now I get it Trump supporters! #maga


I guess you can read through the stories on this site if you want:

http://www.illegalaliencrimereport.com/

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‘DREAMER’ Who Killed Two Little GIrls Will Not Be Deported
May 16, 2017


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Drunk Illegal Alien Ran Red Light, Crashed Into Deputy In La.
May 16, 2017


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Previously Deported Felon Shot Limo Driver In Arizona
May 16, 2017


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Previously Deported Habitual Drunk Driver Charged With Another DUI
May 16, 2017


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Trio Of Illegal Aliens Robbed, Kidnapped Man In Texas
May 16, 2017


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Illegal Alien With Decades Of Criminal History To Be Deported For The 9th Time
May 13, 2017


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Man Suspected Of Murdering Two Doctors Is African ‘Refugee’ With Criminal Record
May 12, 2017


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Previously Deported Felon Convicted Of DUI
May 12, 2017


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African ‘Migrant’ Kills Two People In Alcohol-Fueled Crash
May 12, 2017


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Illegal Alien Kidnapped, Raped Teenager In North Carolina
May 12, 2017


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15-Time Deported Drunk Mexican Leaves 6-Year-Old Boy Fighting For His Life
May 10, 2017


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Illegal Alien In North Carolina Has Been Arrested 20 Times
May 10, 2017


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‘DREAMER’ Shot Two Police Officers In Sanctuary City Of Chicago
May 8, 2017


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Illegal Alien Caught In The Act Of Raping A 15-Year-Old Girl
May 8, 2017


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Previously Convicted Illegal Alien Brutally Raped Woman In Oregon
May 7, 2017


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Illegal Alien Rapist, Murderer Captured After 19 Years On The Run
May 6, 2017


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Illegal Alien Out On Bail Fails To Show Up To Court On Rape Charges
May 6, 2017


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‘DREAMER’ Caught Driving Stolen Car, In Possession Of Stolen Police Rifle
May 6, 2017


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Illegal Alien Raped 9-Year-Old Girl In Massachusetts
May 4, 2017


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‘DREAMERS’ Gang-Raped Unconscious 17-Year-Old Girl
May 4, 2017


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Foreign Criminals Are Filling Our Prison System
May 4, 2017


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Illegal Alien Wanted In Grisly Double-Murder Found In North Carolina
May 3, 2017


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MS-13 Controls Long Island Neighborhood
May 2, 2017


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Illegal Alien Led Police On Chase That Ended In Crash
May 1, 2017


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Illegal Alien Meth Dealer Caught With Cache Of Weapons
May 1, 2017


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Illegal Aliens Charged With Raping 14 And 17-Year-Old Girl
April 30, 2017


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Illegal Aliens Gang-Raped Mentally Disabled 14-Year-Old Girl
April 29, 2017


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‘DREAMER’ Caught Delivering Drugs To Dealer In Jail To Be Deported
April 29, 2017


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Previously Deported Illegal Alien Kidnapped, Repeatedly Raped Woman
April 28, 2017


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Illegal Alien Freed By ICE Has Murdered A Woman In Louisiana
April 28, 2017


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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 08:28 AM
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Post it. Prove it, otherwise you are a liar. I love this new way to behave under our new leadership - so much easier! Now I get it Trump supporters! #maga


We live in a post fact world. The election of Don the Con proves that facts no longer matter. You can make sh!t up, change your story over an over, and none of it matters, at least to the Trump supporters. Not sure if anybody else can get away with it though.


Isn't that cute.
- Take the standard slime the left practices and claim that is what the Republican is doing.
- Claim, with no prof, that President Trump is leaking classified information while Hillary Clinton has been proven to leaking classified information to anyone who wanted it.
- Claim that the criminal illegal aliens are not really assaulting, raping and murdering American Citizens when the proof is easily available.

Many creditable sources exist yet the left simply refuses to believe the facts.
That is cool.
Keep losing elections.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 08:39 AM
Nebish, is that your attempt to prove that it's "rampant" among the millions of illegal aliens that are here? And from an unknown source? Swing and a miss!
 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 12:15 PM
I opened myself to that rampant claim in responding to you, in response to the person who used the rampant claim.

It is not rampant, I would not have used that term. There is a problem, just as all crimes by legal and illegal persons alike is a problem. If the person who committed any given crime is here illegally, the argument can be made if they were in fact not here that crime wouldn't have been committed. When any law enforcement division encounters an illegal immigrant in our country, that person should be detained and handed over to ICE for deportation. Sanctuary cities are in violation of federal law and enable or even promote criminal behavior by the illegal immigrants shielded in their cities.

As for sources for those stories, which were just about 3 weeks worth of headlines, I'm not going to hand feed it to you. Each story on that web link I provided has a linked source most are local news reports.

There are a couple new ones since last night, but that first one I posted...it happened in Oregon, but the grandparents live here where I live with some friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend type connection. Their 2 grand daughters were killed by a hit and run illegal immigrant driving. Sometimes these stories aren't that abstract.

I'm sure you are ready to say "illegal immigrants commit less crime than legal citizens". Yeah, that line has been said and used before. I'll leave you with this piece, which I'm sure will do nothing to influence your outlook. For some reason you want to protect and insulate people in our country illegally from facing the rule of law, or might I speculate, even want more illegal immigration. You won't change my mind either, that outlook is dead wrong.

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The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities
By Ron Martinelli, opinion contributor - 04/19/17 07:00 PM EDT

There has been much rhetoric from the left and the open-borders, pro-illegal immigration lobby suggesting that illegal immigrants pose no threat to the safety and security of this nation and commit less crimes than their American Citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

If one watches the network newscasts, the ideologues and open-borders surrogates consistently accuse Americans and law enforcement experts who suggest otherwise of being racist and anti-immigration xenophobes. If you pay attention to the rhetoric, you will find one blaring item missing — facts.

I am a former Spanish speaking career detective who investigated violent crimes within the Hispanic and other ethnic immigrant communities.

I am also a forensic criminologist who is a subject matter expert in violent crime who advocates for facts and evidence. Here are some verified crime facts and statistics with you so that you will know the truth about the precarious relationship between violent crime and illegal immigrants.

As Americans, we should only care about three things: (1) are the immigrants in the U.S. illegally; (2) have they committed violent crimes predominantly against U.S. citizens; and (3) had these criminals not been in our country illegally, these crimes, the victimization of our citizens and the costs of their crimes borne by American taxpayers could have been completely avoided.

Previous administrations have deliberately kept Americans in the dark about illegal immigrant crimes

Most states and our federal government have kept information and statistics about illegal immigration, crimes committed by illegals and the costs borne by you the U.S. payer out of public view. It is in fact difficult, but not impossible to locate accurate crime statistics involving illegal immigrants. The statistics are buried both to suit a political agenda and to avoid public outcry. Once you read this article, you will quickly understand why.

Demographics – The Pew Research Institute estimates that as of 2014, there are at least 11.2 million illegal immigrants residing in the U.S. This population comprises approximately 3.5 percent of our country’s population.

Of these, by far the largest ethnic population, 52 percent are Hispanics comprised of Mexicans, Central Americans and Cubans.

Six states: California, Texas, Illinois, Florida, New York and New Jersey account for 59 percent of all illegal immigrants residing in the U.S. The fact that 66 percent of all illegal immigrants have lived in our nation for over ten years underscores our long-standing inability to address the serious problem of our inability to control our nation’s borders.

The relationship between illegal immigrants and violent crime

Research conducted by the federal government oversight organization Judicial Watch in 2014 documents that 50 percent of all federal crimes were committed near our border with Mexico.

Of the 61,529 criminal cases filed by federal prosecutors; 40 percent or 24,746 were in court districts along the southern borders of California, Arizona and Texas.

The Western District of Texas had the nation’s most significant crime rate with over 6,300 cases filed; followed by the Southern District of Texas with slightly over 6,000 cases.

The Southern California District with nearly 4,900 cases; New Mexico with nearly 4,000 cases and Arizona with over 3,500 criminal cases ranked 3rd, 4th and 5th.

The U.S. Department of Justice documents that in 2014, 19 percent or over 12,000 criminal cases filed by prosecutors were for violent crimes; and over 22 percent or 13,300 cases were for drug related felonies.

That same year, the U.S. Sentencing Commission found that 75 percent of all criminal defendants who were convicted and sentenced for federal drug offenses were illegal immigrants. Illegal immigrants were also involved in 17 percent of all drug trafficking sentences and one third of all federal prison sentences.

The U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. Sentencing Commission reported that as of 2014, illegal immigrants were convicted and sentenced for over 13 percent of all crimes committed in the U.S.

According to the FBI, 67,642 murders were committed in the U.S. from 2005 through 2008, and 115,717 from 2003 through 2009. The General Accounting Office documents that criminal immigrants committed 25,064 of these murders.

To extrapolate out these statistics, this means that a population of just over 3.5 percent residing in the U.S. unlawfully committed 22 percent to 37 percent of all murders in the nation. This is astounding.

Illegal immigrants clearly commit a level of violent and drug related crimes disproportionate to their population

Vetted crime statistics from USDOJ, the U.S. Sentencing Commission and the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) are both clear and demonstrative that illegal immigrants who comprise only 3.5 percent of our nation’s population, are convicted and sentenced for the crime of murder at a rate of three times that of their American citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.

In California alone, over 2,400 illegal immigrants out of a total prison population of 130,000 are imprisoned in the state’s prison system for the crime of homicide.

The misrepresentation of comparisons in who commits crimes between illegal immigrants, legal U.S. immigrants and American citizens

The pro-illegal immigrant lobby consistently misrepresents the criminal involvement of illegal immigrants as compared to immigrants who legally enter the U.S. and American citizens, saying that illegal immigrants commit less crimes than their counterparts. This assertion is false in most cases. Here are the vetted statistics:

In California, there are just over 92 illegal immigrants imprisoned for every 100,000 illegals as compared to 74 citizens and legal non-citizen immigrants. In Arizona, the rate is nearly 69 illegals imprisoned for every 100,000, as compared to 54 citizens and legal non-citizen immigrants.

In New York, over three times as many illegal immigrants or 169, are imprisoned for crimes per 100,000, as compared to only 48 citizens and legal non-citizen immigrants. Only the states of Texas and Florida do illegal immigrants commit less crimes than their legal immigrant counterparts (Texas with 54.5 illegals imprisoned per 100,000, compared to 65 legal immigrants and Florida with 55 illegals imprisoned, compared to 68 legal immigrants).

Texas is an epicenter for illegal immigrant crimes

Recent crime analysis by both the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Texas law enforcement authorities indicate that between June 2011 and March 2017, over 217,000 criminal immigrants were arrested and booked into Texas jails.

In researching the criminal careers of these defendants, it was revealed that they had jointly committed over nearly 600,000 criminal offenses. Their arrests included nearly 1,200 homicides; almost 69,000 assaults; 16,854 burglaries; 700 kidnappings; nearly 6,200 sexual assaults; 69,000 drug offenses; 8,700 weapons violations; over 3,800 robberies and over 45,000 obstructing police charges. In determining the status of these offenders in the U.S., it was confirmed by DHS that over 173,000 or 66 percent of these immigrant criminal defendants were in our country illegally at the times of their arrests.

“Sanctuary State” California politicians fight against deporting criminal illegal immigrants

Currently, a fight is brewing between California Open Borders politicians and the state’s Democratic controlled Legislature and the Department of Justice regarding the protection of violent criminal illegal immigrants.

Hardly any Californian’s know that in 2014, Gov. Brown signed a bill that amended a state statute amending the maximum sentencing for misdemeanor crimes by one day from 365 to 364 days in jail. This was deliberately done to avoid current federal laws that provide for the deportation of illegal and legal immigrants in this country who have received sentences of 365 days or more.

With the newly enacted jail and prison diversion programs of Propositions 109 and 47, Gov. Brown and company are effectively preventing the federal government from removing violent and recidivist illegal immigrants from our midst through the deportation process.

The extreme costs of keeping illegal immigrant criminals in this country

According to research and statistics by the U.S. Departments of Justice and Homeland Security, U.S. taxpayers are footing an annual bill of nearly $19 million a day to house and care for an estimated 300,000 to 450,000 convicted criminal immigrants who are eligible for deportation and are currently residing in local jails and state and federal prisons across the country.

These figures include not only those immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally, but all immigrants here who commit and have been convicted of crimes. Other accounting estimates indicate that the total cost for all corrections, medical and support services for adults and juvenile immigrant criminals nationally to be over $1.8 billion dollars.

So the next time you hear some Open Borders politician or pro illegal immigrant surrogates advocate on their behalf, ask yourself why we as American citizens need to bear the increasing costs of violence, victimization and burdensome taxes in subsidizing illegal immigrant criminals who shouldn’t be in our country in the first place.

Ron Martinelli is a nationally renowned forensic criminologist and law enforcement expert. Martinelli is a retired San Jose (CA) police detective who provides forensic investigation and expert services to numerous states, large municipalities and national private law firms specializing in civil rights. He is fluent in Spanish and divides his time between California, Texas and Mexico.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-il legal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities


 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 12:46 PM
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There has been much rhetoric from the left and the open-borders, pro-illegal immigration


I stopped right there. Was the rest of the article good?

 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 01:48 PM
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I'm sure you are ready to say "illegal immigrants commit less crime than legal citizens". Yeah, that line has been said and used before. I'll leave you with this piece, which I'm sure will do nothing to influence your outlook. For some reason you want to protect and insulate people in our country illegally from facing the rule of law, or might I speculate, even want more illegal immigration. You won't change my mind either, that outlook is dead wrong.


Well you know what they say about people who assume. As Bhawk pointed out, the anti-liberal article you just posted reveals your bias against them, which nullifies the legitimacy of the post right away. I'm merely pointing out that citizenship status is completely irrelevant to the root of those problems, and is just an easy and comfortable scapegoat. Using those incidents as justification to tighten laws for all illegal aliens, is irresponsible and hostile towards those trying to follow the process legally. There are millions of immigrants who are here "illegally" because their work visa expired and doesn't get renewed. Instead of quitting their job and leaving their family starved and leave the USA, they stay and hope for the best. Those types should be given a path to citizenship. But the hostile nature of those headlines puts all the good ones at risk. Please don't tell me there's no intent to tarnish them with the type of writing style they chose.

 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 07:08 PM
I have to watch this basketball game with my wife. I'll check back in later and respond to both of you if that matters or not I don't know.
 

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  posted on 5/17/2017 at 08:01 PM
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Nebish, is that your attempt to prove that it's "rampant" among the millions of illegal aliens that are here? And from an unknown source? Swing and a miss!


That is your attempt to diminish the fact of illegal alien crime and the Obama administrations failure to control immigration according to the law.
When the left-wing loons such as yourself start assigning labels it is nothing more than your dishonesty on the matter.

Fact:
Criminal illegal aliens have been assaulting, raping and murdering American Citizens and they should not be in our country.




 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 09:04 AM
OK, thankfully I fell asleep at halftime, but that still prevented me from being here.

There were 2 Hill op-eds from this spring that I had open and wanted to post the other, which I will highlight below. It is in direct response to the reports of less crime committed by immigrants compared to legal US citizens.



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These studies overlook disturbing actual data on crimes committed by criminal aliens. For example, the Government Accountability Office released two unsettling reports in 2005 on criminal aliens who are in prison for committing crimes in the United States, and issued an updated report in 2011.

The first report found that criminal aliens, both legal and illegal, make up 27 percent of all federal prisoners. Yet non-citizens are only about nine percent of the nation’s adult population. Thus, judging by the numbers in federal prisons alone, non-citizens commit federal crimes at three times the rate of citizens.

The findings in the second report are even more disturbing. It reviewed the criminal histories of 55,322 aliens in federal or state prisons and local jails who “entered the country illegally.” Those illegal aliens were arrested 459,614 times, an average of 8.3 arrests per illegal alien, and committed almost 700,000 criminal offenses, an average of roughly 12.7 offenses per illegal alien.

The 2011 GAO report is more of the same. The criminal histories of 251,000 criminal aliens showed that they had committed close to three million criminal offenses. Sixty-eight percent of those in federal prison and 66 percent of those in state prisons were from Mexico. Their offenses ranged from homicide and kidnapping to drugs, rape, burglary, and larceny.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/327229-crimes-by-illegal- aliens-not-legal-immigrants-are-the-real



So when I see reports such as GAO in this case, I typically like to go to the report myself and see what is there. I don't just like to drop in and post articles or quotes, I like to add my own comments.

This was the most recent of the two reports cited above:
http://www.gao.gov/assets/320/316959.pdf

Here they say that, as of FY 2010 criminal aliens in federal prison were 55,000 and 296,000 state and local jails for FY 2009 for a combined total of 351,000 or 1.38% of their 25.3m lawful and unlawful aliens. The federal figure is up 7% from 2005 and the state/local figure is up 35% from 2003.

A Cato study this year found that both illegal and illegal immigrants had lower incarceration rates than "natives" cited 122,939 illegals and 63,994 legal immigrants for a total of 186,933. https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/immigration_brief-1.p df

That is quite a difference. But maybe from 2009/2010 to 2017 the legal and illegal prison populations declined that much? Certainly seems the trend is increases based on GAO numbers, not decreases. Or it could be that GAO is using Bureau of Prisons data which is possibly more reliable rather than a United States Census’s American Community Survey?

The disparity I think is enough to question the overall conclusion of immigrants being responsible for less crime. Maybe it is closer to the same, immigrant and native. OK, let's just abandon the claim that they commit more crime as a % of their population. But still when you consider the number of crimes committed by illegals, people who should not be here or walking the streets, if they weren't here those crimes wouldn't have been committed at all.

Another thing, the GAO report states that criminal alien population in federal prisons has ranged from 25-27% 2001-2010. And at the local and state level criminal alien days spent incarcerated represented 5% in 2003 and 6% in 2009. With that consistency in mind I am again skeptical that there would've been a dramatic decrease in GAO's 2009/2010 FY numbers (prison statistics) compared to Cato's 2017 numbers (census survey).

Crimes committed aside, the GAO report states that the cost to incarcerate criminal aliens in our federal and reimbursements to state and local prisons ranged from $1.5-1.6 billion annually 2005-2009.

I continue to contend the cost to our society and the financial cost of incarcerations takes a toll and the problems created by illegal immigration can be minimized by further restricting the flow of those individuals coming here.

I'll just speak for myself, but I'm sure that many others feel the exact same way, it is not my objective demonize people of different nationalities, origins or race so long as they respect the laws of our country and the legal immigration process. We can have work visa programs. We can expand or try and speed up the legal immigration process. I'm fine with that. What I'm not fine with is being lax on illegal immigration, whether it is crossing the border or visa overstays. If you came here with some agreement and violated that agreement you should be subject to the consequences of our laws, same if you come here without permission, you should be removed accordingly.



[Edited on 5/18/2017 by nebish]

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 09:16 AM
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When the left-wing loons such as yourself start assigning labels it is nothing more than your dishonesty on the matter.


So then you are dishonest for using the "left-wing" label. LOL, you are such an idiot. I love when you try to sit at the adult table.


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Criminal illegal aliens have been assaulting, raping and murdering American Citizens and they should not be in our country.


Wow, what an astute observation! So smart! How did you figure this out? Thank you for sharing this breaking news. Nobody would have known this without your vast knowledge!

 

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  posted on 5/18/2017 at 12:42 PM
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When the left-wing loons such as yourself start assigning labels it is nothing more than your dishonesty on the matter.



Awesome.

 

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Nebish, is that your attempt to prove that it's "rampant" among the millions of illegal aliens that are here? And from an unknown source? Swing and a miss!


That is your attempt to diminish the fact of illegal alien crime and the Obama administrations failure to control immigration according to the law.
When the left-wing loons such as yourself start assigning labels it is nothing more than your dishonesty on the matter.

Fact:
Criminal illegal aliens have been assaulting, raping and murdering American Citizens and they should not be in our country.




There are more crimes committed by tweaker, meth-head, redneck wanna-be's in your own back yard, than by any illegals.

 

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quote] Those types should be given a path to citizenship.


Agreed. And that path should begin with a return to the country of origin and a place in line along with all of the others desiring to become a citizen here.

 

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Thank God you're not in charge! Not even the furthest right-wing conservatives in Washington would suggest something so cruel. Not to mention, who pays for that massive task? That's why law-makers don't act on emotion, and if that's the America you want, you best pack your bags because not even Trump would do that. I challenge you to explain why you feel so threatened by them.
 

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quote] Those types should be given a path to citizenship.


Agreed. And that path should begin with a return to the country of origin and a place in line along with all of the others desiring to become a citizen here.


Exactly right.
It is the law.

That is where the left comes off the rails.
They want to ignore the law when it is contrary to their political agenda.

Notice that the left here never has an actual solution let alone any compassion for the immigrants.
No. They have no problem with the criminals who have been repeatedly deported but, under the Obama administration, could walk right back across the border, hide in plain sight in the "Sanctuary Cities" and continue to assault, rape and murder American Citizens.



 

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  posted on 5/20/2017 at 02:46 PM
The anger you have for an entire group of people is not healthy or normal. Don't let it bother you so much. Since no politician, Republican or Democrat, has ever proposed that type of legislation, it looks like you should also pack your bags and move to a different country that represents your elitist and seclusive point of view, because it's never going to be that way in the US, not with Trump or anyone else. Looks like you have a personal problem of having to accept this reality for the rest of your life, which is why it doesn't pay to get so worked up about it. Don't burst a vein.
 

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Is it anger or just a desire to see the law applied to people who break the law?

I'm not angry.

I could live my whole life and we either open the border completely or lock it down tight, likely won't effect me much personally. I just care because I think the rule of law should rein and the respect for our systems and policies should be upheld.

 

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Same here Nebish. There's a clear difference in tone between your writing and Mule's, Goober's, BIGV. That's the issue. Approaching it with hostility and emotion only adds fuel to the fire and does nothing to improve the situation. Obviously they shouldn't be here and the ideal situation is for everyone to follow the law. Anyone harping on that fact needs to get past it. The problems are much more complex than "they are doing something illegal, so get them out of here." That dysfunctional attitude towards conflict is the root of our deteriorating society - those who engage in it are the problem. The split second someone becomes a little uncomfortable, they lash out in an irrational fear-based hostile reaction. You don't seem to be one of those people.
 

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Is it anger or just a desire to see the law applied to people who break the law?

I'm not angry.

I could live my whole life and we either open the border completely or lock it down tight, likely won't effect me much personally. I just care because I think the rule of law should rein and the respect for our systems and policies should be upheld.


You dared to tell the truth.
Oh man the left is going to go off on you.
They don't care about crimes committed against American Citizens by people who should not be in the country to begin with, just as they don't care about the black people being slaughtered in the cities run by Democrats.

The illegal aliens and black people are nothing more than a vote to them.




[Edited on 5/22/2017 by Muleman1994]

 

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Same here Nebish. There's a clear difference in tone between your writing and Mule's, Goober's, BIGV. That's the issue. Approaching it with hostility and emotion only adds fuel to the fire and does nothing to improve the situation. Obviously they shouldn't be here and the ideal situation is for everyone to follow the law. Anyone harping on that fact needs to get past it. The problems are much more complex than "they are doing something illegal, so get them out of here." That dysfunctional attitude towards conflict is the root of our deteriorating society - those who engage in it are the problem. The split second someone becomes a little uncomfortable, they lash out in an irrational fear-based hostile reaction. You don't seem to be one of those people.


We all have our irrational moments, but those don't get us any where.

In a pretend kind of way sometimes I try and think of it like we are the ones responsible for improving or solving some situation. I try to look at it like we are talking face to face and you are raising your concerns and making your case while I listen. And you do the same for me. Nobody will listen to you if you aren't atleast trying to respect the other side of the equation. At the end of the day we are all Americans and there is some middle ground we could agree upon if given the chance. Maybe I concede something you are absolutely adamant about because I have no compelling counterpoint, and maybe you concede something I care deeply about. Talking at the extreme edges is a little more fun in a selfish way, but the net isn't constructive at all.

 

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  posted on 5/21/2017 at 09:04 PM
Perfectly stated. If someone approaches politics with that attitude, then I would respect their views even if I disagree. I only have a problem with the hostile rhetoric, which we're all guilty of sometimes I guess. I appreciate you practicing that.
 

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  posted on 5/22/2017 at 07:36 PM
Democrats freed 564 illegal alien sex offenders in 2015 alone

http://donsurber.blogspot.com/2017/05/democrats-freed-564-sex-offenders-in. html

 
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