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  posted on 4/13/2017 at 11:57 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/politics/afghanistan-isis-moab-bomb/index.htm l

US drops largest non-nuclear bomb in Afghanistan

By Barbara Starr and Ryan Browne, CNN
Updated 12:42 PM ET, Thu April 13, 2017

Washington (CNN)The US military has dropped an enormous bomb in Afghanistan, according to four US military officials with direct knowledge of the mission.

A GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb, nicknamed MOAB, was dropped at 7 p.m. local time Thursday, the sources said.

The MOAB is also known as the "mother of all bombs." A MOAB is a 21,600-pound, GPS-guided munition that is America's most powerful non-nuclear bomb.

The bomb was dropped by an MC-130 aircraft, operated by Air Force Special Operations Command, according to the military sources.

They said the target was ISIS tunnels and personnel in the Achin district of the Nangarhar province.

The military is currently assessing the damage. Gen. John Nicholson, commander of US forces in Afghanistan, signed off on the use of the bomb, according to the sources.

This is the first time a MOAB has been used in the battlefield, according to the US officials. This munition was developed during the Iraq War.

 

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  posted on 4/13/2017 at 02:30 PM
Yes, we dropped the largest non-nuclear bomb ever. First time ever used in combat. It was a perfect strike. You should've seen how perfect the strike was, it was amazing. The best bomb strike in history, believe me. I remember sipping a sparkling cider when I heard the news of the success, and I thought to myself, "is this cider French? Seems like a French cider to me, and I know a lot about ciders." Then I thought maybe it was German, but I remember how cool the cider felt on my lips as I heard the news that the bomb successfully hit Pakistan. Wasn't it Pakistan? Oh who cares. All that matters was how beautiful that blast was. I loved it. I can't wait to see who we bomb next.

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Hopefully the objective was achieved. Interesting the variety of large bombs the military can call upon. Bunker Buster bombs were talked about alot during Iraq, seems this is either an improvement in either weight or capability or both? This one doesn't penetrate the ground before explosion and instead detonates above ground.

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The US military dropped America's most powerful non-nuclear bomb on ISIS targets in Afghanistan Thursday, the first time this type of weapon has been used in battle, according to US officials.

A GBU-43/B Massive Ordnance Air Blast Bomb (MOAB), nicknamed the "mother of all bombs," was dropped at 7:32 p.m. local time, according to four US military officials with direct knowledge of the mission. A MOAB is a 30-foot-long, 21,600-pound, GPS-guided munition.

President Donald Trump called it "another successful job" later Thursday.

The bomb was dropped by an MC-130 aircraft, stationed in Afghanistan and operated by Air Force Special Operations Command, Pentagon spokesman Adam Stump told CNN.

Officials said the target was an ISIS cave and tunnel complex and personnel in the Achin district of the Nangarhar province, a remote area in the country's east which borders Pakistan.]

"The United States takes the fight against ISIS very seriously and in order to defeat the group we must deny them operational space, which we did," White House press secretary Sean Spicer said later Thursday.

The strike "targeted a system of tunnels and cave that ISIS fighters use to move around freely."
Afghanistan's ambassador to the US, Hamdullah Mohib, told CNN's Brooke Baldwin that the bomb was dropped after fighting had intensified over the last week between US Special Forces and Afghan troops against ISIS.

The US and Afghan forces were unable to advance because ISIS had mined the area with explosives, so the bomb was dropped to clear the tunnels, Mohib said.

Trump declined to say whether he personally signed off on the strike, but did comment, "Everybody knows exactly what happens. So, what I do is I authorize our military."
He continued, "We have given them total authorization and that's what they're doing."

Asked about Trump's "total authorization" comments, a senior administration official declined to specify whether the President indeed ordered the strike in Afghanistan.

But the official said that in general, "We don't approve every strike," adding that, "This administration has moved further away" from dictating military strategy from the White House.

It's a change both Trump and Defense Secretary James Mattis wanted, the official said.

The President has granted military commanders broader latitude to act independently on several battlefields where US forces are involved, which Trump touted as making a "tremendous difference" in the fight against ISIS.

During the campaign, Trump vowed to eradicate ISIS, saying he would "bomb the s**t" out of the terror group, also known as ISIL.

Republican hawks were quick to voice their support for the strike Thursday.

"I hope America's adversaries are watching & now understand there's a new sheriff in town," tweeted Sen. Lindsey Graham, a South Carolina Republican. "Pleased Air Force dropped MOAB against ISIL in Afghanistan. Must be more aggressive against ISIL everywhere - including Afghanistan."

But California Democrat Rep. Jackie Speier voiced concerns about potentially increasing US military involvement in Afghanistan.

"We are escalating in an area I think we should be deescalating in," she told CNN's Wolf Blitzer. "Coupled with what happened in Yemen, what happened in Syria, these are efforts that are made to suggest that we will be engaging in wars in three different countries simultaneously."

Gen. John Nicholson, commander of US forces in Afghanistan, signed off on the use of the bomb, according to the sources. The authority to deploy the weapon was granted to Nicholson by the commander of US Central Command, Gen. Joseph Votel, Stump said.

This is the first time a MOAB has been used in the battlefield, according to the US officials. This munition was developed during the Iraq war and is an air blast-type warhead that explodes before hitting the ground in order to project a a massive blast to all sides.

During the final stages of testing in 2003, military officials told CNN that the MOAB was mainly conceived as a weapon employed for "psychological operations." Military officials said they hoped the MOAB would create such a huge blast that it would rattle Iraqi troops and pressure them into surrendering or not even fighting.
As originally conceived, the MOAB was to be used against large formations of troops and equipment or hardened above-ground bunkers. The target set has also been expanded to include targets buried under softer surfaces, like caves or tunnels.

But while the MOAB bomb detonates with the power of 18,000 pounds of tritonal explosives, the size of its explosion pales in comparison to that of a nuclear bomb.

Former Defense Secretary William Perry described the stark difference in power between a MOAB and nuclear bomb.

"The #MOAB explosive yield is 0.011 kilotons, typical nuclear yield is 10-180 kilotons - the US alone possesses over 7000 nuclear weapons," he tweeted.

"As ISIS-K's losses have mounted, they are using IEDs, bunkers and tunnels to thicken their defense," Nicholson said in a statement following the strike.

"This is the right munition to reduce these obstacles and maintain the momentum of our offensive against ISIS-K," Nicholson added.

"US forces took every precaution to avoid civilian casualties with this strike. US Forces will continue offensive operations until ISIS-K is destroyed in Afghanistan," read the statement from US Forces Afghanistan.

The extent of the damage and whether anyone was killed is not yet clear. The military is currently conducting an assessment.

The Pentagon is currently reviewing whether to deploy additional trainers to Afghanistan to help bolster US allies there.

The Achin district is the primary center of ISIS activity in Afghanistan. A US Army Special Forces soldier was killed fighting the terror group there Saturday.

There are about 8,400 US troops in Afghanistan and they regularly perform counterterrorism operations against ISIS in the Nangarhar Province.

The US counterterrorism mission is separate from the NATO-led effort to train, advise and assist the Afghan army and police force.

While ISIS is identified primarily with its presence in Iraq and Syria, US and coalition officials have long expressed concern about a growing presence in Afghanistan.

ISIS first emerged in the summer of 2015 in the country's east, fast gaining ground and support, often among disaffected Taliban or Afghan youth.

US military officials have said the ISIS branch is largely comprised of former members of regional terror groups, including the Pakistani Taliban and Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan.

A US official told CNN that the military estimates are that the Afghan affiliate of ISIS has about 600 to 800 fighters, primarily based in two to three districts in southern Nangarhar. There are also a small number of ISIS operatives in Kunar province as well, the official added.

The Afghan offshoot's link to the organization's Syria-based leadership has been questioned. Many say in fact the Afghan ISIS fighters came from Pakistan and adopted the group's branding in order to get financing.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/13/politics/afghanistan-isis-moab-bomb/


 

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  posted on 4/14/2017 at 11:55 AM
But how can this be?

The left keep saying Donald Trump wanted so bad to be President so he could unleash America's nuclear weapons on the world.

Then President trump uses a conventional weapon on the Islamic Extremist Terrorists.

The left makes it so hard to understand their rhetoric.



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  posted on 4/14/2017 at 12:38 PM
It's early.........

Besides, "the left" is something in your mind that you can blame for everything..... when you can't use "Obama"........

 

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  posted on 4/14/2017 at 03:58 PM
Did dropping that bomb end the war in afghanistan?, NO. it was a waste of money.
 

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Then President trump uses a conventional weapon on the Islamic Extremist Terrorists.



Bush and Obama both bombed the Middle East during their Presidencies, as Trump did just earlier this week, so the reason this is a big deal is it WAS NOT A CONVENTIONAL WEAPON. Say it was a good idea, say it was good strategy, say it was about time, but don't call this a conventional weapon.

 

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Donald Trump deserves all the credit for disigning, manufacturing and using this bomb all in his first 80 days in office. We are very fortunate to have such a great scientist and war stratigest in the White House working on our behalf. I'm sure ISIS and probably North Korea will surrender within the week. Thank you Mr. Trump, who did it all by himself, with no help from anyone else, especially Democrats or Russia.
 

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Did dropping that bomb end the war in afghanistan?, NO. it was a waste of money.


So any military expenditure that doesn't end a war is a waste of money? High bar for success you have.

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Donald Trump deserves all the credit for disigning, manufacturing and using this bomb all in his first 80 days in office. We are very fortunate to have such a great scientist and war stratigest in the White House working on our behalf. I'm sure ISIS and probably North Korea will surrender within the week. Thank you Mr. Trump, who did it all by himself, with no help from anyone else, especially Democrats or Russia.


I don't think Trump, surprisingly, took any credit for it - he likely did not even specifically approve it's use.

A whole bunch of people here can hate Trump, it's fine. But how about radical militant islamic terrorits? You hate them to? I do. More dead terrorists is a good thing whether Obama or Trump is in office.

 

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Did dropping that bomb end the war in afghanistan?, NO. it was a waste of money.


So any military expenditure that doesn't end a war is a waste of money? High bar for success you have.

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Donald Trump deserves all the credit for disigning, manufacturing and using this bomb all in his first 80 days in office. We are very fortunate to have such a great scientist and war stratigest in the White House working on our behalf. I'm sure ISIS and probably North Korea will surrender within the week. Thank you Mr. Trump, who did it all by himself, with no help from anyone else, especially Democrats or Russia.


I don't think Trump, surprisingly, took any credit for it - he likely did not even specifically approve it's use.

A whole bunch of people here can hate Trump, it's fine. But how about radical militant islamic terrorits? You hate them to? I do. More dead terrorists is a good thing whether Obama or Trump is in office.

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Exactly right. President Trump did not chose the weapon used.
That decision was up the senior commander for that theater.

President does not micro-manage the military as Obama did.
The military referred to Susan Rice as General Rice.
During the air assaults against ISIS when our aircraft had a target and was ready to fire Rice demanded that they first get approval from command who was required to get approval from The Pentagon who was required to get approval from Rice or her designee at the White House.

That is why over 84% of our aircraft had to pull up and return to base with full loads.

BTW this "non-nuclear bomb" line is the corrupt liberal media's way of painting the issue. They are intent on getting the word nuclear in there.

A "non-nuclear bomb" is a bomb.
The bomb was used to kill ISIS militants and destroy the tunnels that use to hide.

 

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BTW this "non-nuclear bomb" line is the corrupt liberal media's way of painting the issue. They are intent on getting the word nuclear in there.

A "non-nuclear bomb" is a bomb.


There really is no comparison at all to a nuclear bomb...from the CNN posted story (I assume you'll believe it muleman even though it was from a CNN story):

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The #MOAB explosive yield is 0.011 kilotons, typical nuclear yield is 10-180 kilotons

 

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  posted on 4/15/2017 at 09:30 AM
Year 15 of the war in Afghanistan.

Another bomb exploded means another bomb needs to be bought.

More war and death for profit.

Yay.

 

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Complimentary story from front page of the WSJ today:

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Trump Gives Generals More Freedom on ISIS Fight
Pentagon brass take lead on decisions that were made by White House under Obama; ‘I authorize my military,’ Trump says

By Dion Nissenbaum in Washington and
Maria Abi-Habib in Beirut
Updated April 14, 2017 10:29 p.m. ET
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U.S. military commanders are stepping up their fight against Islamist extremism as President Donald Trump’s administration urges them to make more battlefield decisions on their own.

As the White House works on a broad strategy, America’s top military commanders are implementing the vision articulated by Defense Secretary Jim Mattis: Decimate Islamic State’s Middle East strongholds and ensure that the militants don’t establish new beachheads in places such as Afghanistan.

“There’s nothing formal, but it is beginning to take shape,” a senior U.S. defense official said Friday. “There is a sense among these commanders that they are able to do a bit more—and so they are.”

While military commanders complained about White House micromanagement under former President Barack Obama, they are now being told they have more freedom to make decisions without consulting Mr. Trump. Military commanders around the world are being encouraged to stretch the limits of their existing authorities when needed, but to think seriously about the consequences of their decisions.

The more muscular military approach is expanding as the Trump administration debates a comprehensive new strategy to defeat Islamic State. Mr. Mattis has sketched out such a global plan, ut the administration has yet to agree on it. While the political debate continues, the military is being encouraged to take more aggressive steps against Islamic extremists around the world.

The firmer military stance has fueled growing concerns among State Department officials working on Middle East policy that the Trump administration is giving short shrift to the diplomatic tools the Obama administration favored. Removing the carrot from the traditional carrot-and-stick approach, some State Department officials warn, could hamper the pursuit of long-term strategies needed to prevent volatile conflicts from reigniting once the shooting stops.

The new approach was on display this week in Afghanistan, where Gen. John Nicholson, head of the U.S.-led coalition there, decided to use one of the military’s biggest nonnuclear bombs—a Massive Ordnance Air Blast bomb, or MOAB—to hit a remote Islamic State underground network of tunnels and caves.

Gen. Nicholson said Friday it was too early to say how many militants had been killed in the previous day’s bombing. The Afghan Defense Ministry retracted an earlier statement that the strike had killed 36 militants, saying it was unable to provide precise figures yet.

A military official for the coalition who viewed footage of the bombing said it was difficult to make out details of its effects beyond a “mushroom cloud” of smoke rising into the sky. He added that a second MOAB was available for use in the country, but no decision had been made on whether it should be deployed.

Islamic State’s Amaq news agency posted a statement on Friday saying none of its fighters were killed or wounded in the strike, which took place in Nangarhar province, along the country’s mountainous border with Pakistan.

Gen. Nicholson indicated that he—not the White House—decided to drop the bomb. “The ammunition we used last night is designed to destroy caves and tunnels. This was the right weapon against the right target,” he told reporters Friday. “I am fortunate that my chain of command allows me the latitude to make assessments on the ground.”

A senior administration official said Mr. Trump didn’t know about the weapon’s use until it had been dropped.

Mr. Mattis “is telling them, ‘It’s not the same as it was, you don’t have to ask us before you drop a MOAB,’” the senior defense official said. “Technically there’s no piece of paper that says you have to ask the president to drop a MOAB. But last year this time, the way [things were] meant, ‘I’m going to drop a MOAB, better let the White House know.’”

Indeed, on Thursday Mr. Trump himself emphasized the free rein he gives the Pentagon. “I authorize my military,” Mr. Trump said. “We have given them total authorization.”

On Friday, the U.S. military said it has sent dozens of soldiers to Somalia, where Mr. Trump recently gave the head of the U.S. Africa Command more leeway to carry out counterterrorism operations against al-Shabaab, the al Qaeda affiliate in the area.

The more aggressive military approach comes as the long slog against Islamic State is bearing fruit. The group is on the back foot in its Iraqi stronghold, Mosul, and is facing a hard battle to defend its de facto Syrian capital, Raqqa.

The U.S. has sent more forces into Iraq and Syria, stepped up support for Saudi Arabia’s fight against Houthi militants in Yemen, and dispatched an aircraft carrier to the Korean Peninsula amid growing evidence that North Korea is preparing for a new nuclear test.

Loren DeJonge Schulman, who served as senior adviser to Mr. Obama’s national security adviser, said a more assertive military campaign is destined to fail unless it is part of a broader strategy against Islamic State, also known by the acronyms ISIS and ISIL.

“It’s crazy that the Trump administration thinks that ‘taking the gloves off’ is either a winning strategy against ISIL or a useful narrative for the White House or the military,” said Ms. Schulman, now a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security.

Derek Chollet, a former assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs in the Obama administration, said giving the Pentagon more freedom is one of the most significant things Mr. Trump has done.

“It’s not clear to me that he’s making any tough decisions,” said Mr. Chollet, now executive vice president at the German Marshall Fund of the United States. “All that he’s essentially done is ceded decision authority down to protect himself from making tough calls.”

The flip side of the Trump administration’s emphasis on a more-free-wheeling military approach to Islamic State is an apparent reduction of the use of soft-power tools—economic development, diplomacy and democracy-building—favored by the Obama White House.

Some State Department officials describe being cut out from the White House’s counterterrorism strategy in the Mideast, with efforts to nurture democratic governments and push for more secular education systems carrying less weight in the White House’s evolving approach.

“State is being systematically sidelined,” said a State Department official who has worked on counterterrorism issues in Washington and abroad.

The official said the White House strategy of prioritizing military might over diplomacy makes it hard to persuade Mideast allies to relax their grip on power. Many of Washington’s closest Arab allies are autocratic regimes guilty of human-rights abuses that critics say fuel terrorism.

“The problem there is that in many of the places where you need carrots, those carrots are often seen as threats to local governments,” the official said, referring to democracy and society-building programs the State Department funds across the Mideast.

Egypt offers a prime example of the Trump administration’s leanings. When Egyptian President Abdel Fattah Al Sisi, a military strongman, visited the White House earlier this month, Mr. Trump gave him a warm welcome. Mr. Obama had refused to meet him because of his regime’s alleged human-rights abuses.

U.S. officials in the Mideast say a counterterror approach that focuses solely on military might without programs to fight the causes that feed extremism could backfire, leading groups like Islamic State to go underground and wait for future opportunities to re-emerge. They are particularly concerned about Raqqa, where a U.S.-led military coalition is closing in around the city but post-liberation stabilization plans aren’t finalized as State Department officials wait for White House guidance.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-gives-generals-free-rein-on-isis-fight-1 492218994



I'm sure there are lots of different views on how chain of command or what direction or policy the military should or shouldn't be operating under. But I have to ask this, if you hate Trump, don't trust him or believe he is competent, then you must prefer the Generals have more freedom and discretion than relying on the White House, correct? So given the state of things, this would be the preferred way?

 

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The more muscular military approach is expanding as the Trump administration debates a comprehensive new strategy to defeat Islamic State. Mr. Mattis has sketched out such a global plan, yet the administration has yet to agree on it. While the political debate continues, the military is being encouraged to take more aggressive steps against Islamic extremists around the world.



A worldwide war with Islam that will produce much war, death and profit.

Sounds just lovely. All aboard. Feel the excitement.

 

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The more muscular military approach is expanding as the Trump administration debates a comprehensive new strategy to defeat Islamic State. Mr. Mattis has sketched out such a global plan, yet the administration has yet to agree on it. While the political debate continues, the military is being encouraged to take more aggressive steps against Islamic extremists around the world.



A worldwide war with Islam that will produce much war, death and profit.

Sounds just lovely. All aboard. Feel the excitement.




I don't think anyone is saying you have to be excited about it.

So say we stop every and all military engagement around the world. What then? You think if we removed ourselves that "much war and death" would also cease?

 

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The more muscular military approach is expanding as the Trump administration debates a comprehensive new strategy to defeat Islamic State. Mr. Mattis has sketched out such a global plan, yet the administration has yet to agree on it. While the political debate continues, the military is being encouraged to take more aggressive steps against Islamic extremists around the world.



A worldwide war with Islam that will produce much war, death and profit.

Sounds just lovely. All aboard. Feel the excitement.



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Ah, the view from the uninformed who drop right back into the left's talking points (aka: misrepresenting the truth)

We are not at war against Islam. We are at war against Islamic Extremist Terrorism.
Are you able to understand the difference?

I doubt it.
Being unable to or just unwilling to only serves to help the Islamic Extremist Terrorists kill more innocent people.


 

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Ah, the view from the uninformed who drop right back into the left's talking points (aka: misrepresenting the truth)


What's your name?

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I am all for it. War is WAR. AS A Veteran of the war in southeast asia the NVA threw everything they had at us. And if they had anything more powerful they would have used that to.

 

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Ah, the view from the uninformed who drop right back into the left's talking points (aka: misrepresenting the truth)


Someone who doesn't understand what basic TV ratings mean should not be telling others they are uninformed. Such a fool.

 

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We are not at war against Islam. We are at war against Islamic Extremist Terrorism.
Are you able to understand the difference?

I doubt it.
Being unable to or just unwilling to only serves to help the Islamic Extremist Terrorists kill more innocent people.


Trump's misguided attempts at his Muslim travel ban suggests otherwise.

 

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We are not at war against Islam. We are at war against Islamic Extremist Terrorism.
Are you able to understand the difference?

I doubt it.
Being unable to or just unwilling to only serves to help the Islamic Extremist Terrorists kill more innocent people.


Trump's misguided attempts at his Muslim travel ban suggests otherwise.

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There is no Muslim travel ban dumba$$.
That is what the Democrats call trying to keep out terrorists.
Clinton failed and Obama failed.

BTW - American was built by immigrants.
Not by illegal immigrants.


 

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We are not at war against Islam. We are at war against Islamic Extremist Terrorism.
Are you able to understand the difference?

I doubt it.
Being unable to or just unwilling to only serves to help the Islamic Extremist Terrorists kill more innocent people.


Trump's misguided attempts at his Muslim travel ban suggests otherwise.

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There is no Muslim travel ban dumba$$.
That is what the Democrats call trying to keep out terrorists.
Clinton failed and Obama failed.

BTW - American was built by immigrants.
Not by illegal immigrants.




You're right, there isn't a Muslim travel ban thanks to the courts. Trump failed twice at his unconstitutional effort.

 

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We are not at war against Islam. We are at war against Islamic Extremist Terrorism.
Are you able to understand the difference?

I doubt it.
Being unable to or just unwilling to only serves to help the Islamic Extremist Terrorists kill more innocent people.


Trump's misguided attempts at his Muslim travel ban suggests otherwise.

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There is no Muslim travel ban dumba$$.
That is what the Democrats call trying to keep out terrorists.
Clinton failed and Obama failed.

BTW - American was built by immigrants.
Not by illegal immigrants.




Tell that to the Native Americans who had their land stolen from them.

 

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We are not at war against Islam. We are at war against Islamic Extremist Terrorism.
Are you able to understand the difference?

I doubt it.
Being unable to or just unwilling to only serves to help the Islamic Extremist Terrorists kill more innocent people.


Trump's misguided attempts at his Muslim travel ban suggests otherwise.

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There is no Muslim travel ban dumba$$.
That is what the Democrats call trying to keep out terrorists.
Clinton failed and Obama failed.

BTW - American was built by immigrants.
Not by illegal immigrants.




Tell that to the Native Americans who had their land stolen from them.

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A dodge and diversion to deflect from the truth.


 

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We are not at war against Islam. We are at war against Islamic Extremist Terrorism.
Are you able to understand the difference?

I doubt it.
Being unable to or just unwilling to only serves to help the Islamic Extremist Terrorists kill more innocent people.


Trump's misguided attempts at his Muslim travel ban suggests otherwise.

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There is no Muslim travel ban dumba$$.
That is what the Democrats call trying to keep out terrorists.
Clinton failed and Obama failed.

BTW - American was built by immigrants.
Not by illegal immigrants.




Tell that to the Native Americans who had their land stolen from them.

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A dodge and diversion to deflect from the truth.




No, a fact that you conservatives like to ignore.

 
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