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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 07:44 AM
I've only heard the Leaving Trunk so far. Great performance but I have to say, not liking the mix so far. I can hear too much of the room and not enough of the band. Would like to be able to hear the rhythm section better and even the vocals. Still happy to have it. Any other thoughts?

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 08:04 AM
I just compared the "Keep on Growing" from Oakland and Let Me Get By. There seems to be a little more separation and life to the Let Me Get By version, it's pretty minor though. Kofi's keys are kind of buried on the Oakland version. "Just As Strange" has some life, but everything sounds kind of far away, like a really good audience recording. First impressions, the music still sounds great, can't wait to spin this one all day.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 09:41 AM
Really liked I Want More. Great performance. Likewise Don't Know What it Means. The recording mix seems better on these two and both are really well executed. Still wish they would clean up the sax solo at the end of Don't Know What It Means. Looking forward to hearing more.
 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 10:25 AM
As much as I like "Keep On Growing" and "I Pity the Fool", their inclusion is kind of odd since they were both on Let Me Get By.

Some really nice acoustic moments on "These Walls". Digging "Ali" a lot, wish they'd have included some of the "Bitches Brew" they've been performing lately, but can't complain about a live TTB album. "Bird on a Wire" was way overdue, Susan has been nailing that tune the past couple of years.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 10:28 AM
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Still wish they would clean up the sax solo at the end of Don't Know What It Means.


I'm not hearing anything wrong with it on my system.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 11:13 AM
Regarding the sax solo, I like they way it starts with a Crazy-Coltrane flutter but it just stays in bombastic mode too long for me. I he would try a more melodic-groove approach to it. There are lot of things they could do with that outro jam. It sounds fine on this album.

That's funny that you mention Bird On A Wire, I just heard that one. Awesome. Might be the best track I've heard so far. The vocals on Bird are just awesome from Susan to the support singers, pure heaven. Also liked Ali a lot.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 11:16 AM
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Regarding the sax solo, I like they way it starts with a Crazy-Coltrane flutter but it just stays in bombastic mode too long for me. I he would try a more melodic-groove approach to it. There are lot of things they could do with that outro jam. It sounds fine on this album.



Ah, gotcha, I thought you meant sonically. I actually dig that moment, it reminds me of electric Miles, and I like that the horn players get to experiment a little. I can totally understand not digging those noisier moments.

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 11:20 AM
Totally! But as an avid TTB fan, I have heard him hang on that particular style for over a year now and hope he and/or other band members continue to try different ideas and develop that section more. FWIW I think that exactly how they should START that section, I just don't think they should hang on it for the whole solo. Sonically, I think it is one of the best tracks on the album.

Within Without You was also particularly nice.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 12:40 PM
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Great performance but I have to say, not liking the mix so far. I can hear too much of the room and not enough of the band.


Exactly, and it's even worse on the Multi Channel PCM audio mode on the Blu Ray. I can barely hear the guitars and vocals and it's all just a mush of low end ambient room noise. The 5 Channel Stereo is better though, but still I would like to hear the actual music, because it's phenomenal. I've been critical of the drummers in the past (when Butch and Jaimoe are your baseline it's hard not to be critical of all other drummers in the world) but Derek's solo in Keep on Growin is just so freaking tight with the drummers. That is worth the price of the whole album for me.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 01:05 PM
I'm comparing Oakland to Everbody's Talking and it's night and day. ET sounds full and separated; Oakland is muddy - horns, keys, and background vocals are buried and bouncing around into each other. Still enjoying the album, but the mix is pretty flat, like it was recorded from the balcony.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 03:18 PM
Tedeschi Trucks Band perform "Let Me Get By" from their release "Live From The Fox Oakland."


https://youtu.be/um9TmblAcnw

 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 04:36 PM
Just got mine. I popped in the dvd and wanted to see some interviews and backstage footage since i don't have time to watch the concert yet. Although it was advertised i don't see it. Orrrrr. Maybe it's interspersed in the concert hence calling it a "film". A little disappointed but subject to change after i view it's entirety.
 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 04:42 PM
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  posted on 3/18/2017 at 08:47 AM
I'm sorry, I hate doing this but I need to vent and this IS a music discussion board. The mix on Leaving Trunk is really pissing me off. I was really looking forward to this and I keep listening to it and trying different volumes and speakers but I feel like I'm listening to a bootleg. Ditto Don't Drift Away. I hope they re-mix this somewhere down the road. Frustrating.

The mix works fine on Within Without You and few others.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2017 at 09:00 AM
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I'm sorry, I hate doing this but I need to vent and this IS a music discussion board. The mix on Leaving Trunk is really pissing me off. I was really looking forward to this and I keep listening to it and trying different volumes and speakers but I feel like I'm listening to a bootleg. Ditto Don't Drift Away. I hope they re-mix this somewhere down the road. Frustrating.

The mix works fine on Within Without You and few others.


No, no, I agree. Never mind that its appearance is kind of superfluous after the Live at the Georgia Theatre version, "Leaving Trunk" here sounds pretty muddy, especially Mike's vocals and Kofi's keys. Odd since it's one of the tunes that gets really quiet, so separation should be a cinch. It sounds like an audience recording. It makes me wonder if they recorded these shows with the intention to release them, but they also filmed the performance, so it's kind of baffling.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2017 at 09:05 AM
That's a good question. I thought it was sort of odd that they mentioned taping the whole tour and then decided to release one show only. Full of repeats from the last album too. Strange.

Listen to this audience recording from Lockin 2016. Yes you need to turn up the volume more that the album and there is certainly separation and some clarity deficiencies compared to the album BUT turn it up and it is a better mix, I can hear the band and I am not distracted by the room. To be fair, I'm sure this was outside but as you pointed out Bob, Everybody's Talkin' has a great mix and I believe that was indoors. And the Lockin'n recording was made by a fan not a professional record company.

Interesting comparison:

https://archive.org/details/ttb2016-08-27.Gefell_NBob_Aerco/ttb20160827_Loc kn_01.flac

 

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  posted on 3/18/2017 at 12:59 PM
Derek's solo in I Want More is worth the purchase alone. Holy cow !!!!!

 

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  posted on 3/18/2017 at 02:07 PM
Has anyone compared the CD release to the archive.org version? (evil grin)

I'm enjoying it because it is live TTB. Love the band but did not like Everybody's Talking. Oakland is better. Still I agree, it's very boomy, was hoping for better quality mix all the way around. And not sure why there are so many songs repeated from other albums - UNLESS - they needed to get something out to handle a contractual obligation. So. Lovin' some TTB and Wondrin' along with everyone else, WTH.

Maybe I shoulda got the DVD too.

PS: just watched the DVD for LMGB - Susan starts without her glasses. Then she has them on. Anyone smell splice or does she keep 'em on her amp or something?

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  posted on 3/18/2017 at 08:12 PM
The archive show was taken down as soon as the album was announced. Would be an interesting comparison.


Here is the night prior in Oakland:

https://archive.org/details/ttb2016-09-08/ttb2019-09-08t05.flac

 

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  posted on 3/19/2017 at 08:37 PM
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Has anyone compared the CD release to the archive.org version? (evil grin)

I'm enjoying it because it is live TTB. Love the band but did not like Everybody's Talking. Oakland is better. Still I agree, it's very boomy, was hoping for better quality mix all the way around. And not sure why there are so many songs repeated from other albums - UNLESS - they needed to get something out to handle a contractual obligation. So. Lovin' some TTB and Wondrin' along with everyone else, WTH.

Maybe I shoulda got the DVD too.

PS: just watched the DVD for LMGB - Susan starts without her glasses. Then she has them on. Anyone smell splice or does she keep 'em on her amp or something?

[Edited on 3/18/2017 by WaitinForRain]

[Edited on 3/19/2017 by WaitinForRain]


You guys have a much more technical ear then myself. I really enjoyed it.

I don't get the complaints about repeat songs. I'm sure they have to get clearance and/or pay to use other peoples songs on their album. So what can they do?

 

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  posted on 3/20/2017 at 09:24 AM
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Has anyone compared the CD release to the archive.org version? (evil grin)

I'm enjoying it because it is live TTB. Love the band but did not like Everybody's Talking. Oakland is better. Still I agree, it's very boomy, was hoping for better quality mix all the way around. And not sure why there are so many songs repeated from other albums - UNLESS - they needed to get something out to handle a contractual obligation. So. Lovin' some TTB and Wondrin' along with everyone else, WTH.

Maybe I shoulda got the DVD too.

PS: just watched the DVD for LMGB - Susan starts without her glasses. Then she has them on. Anyone smell splice or does she keep 'em on her amp or something?

[Edited on 3/18/2017 by WaitinForRain]

[Edited on 3/19/2017 by WaitinForRain]


You guys have a much more technical ear then myself. I really enjoyed it.

I don't get the complaints about repeat songs. I'm sure they have to get clearance and/or pay to use other peoples songs on their album. So what can they do?


Got the CD / DVD. Love it.
Put me in the camp that doesn't mind the "repeats". The live versions are different than the studio versions.

re: glasses - Susan started the show with them on, then took them off sometime in the 2nd set, and put them back on during LMGB. I can't say why she did that but I've seen her do it before. None of the shots were close ups, everyone else was wearing the exact same clothing in the entire vid. Not a splice.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2017 at 04:17 PM
Thanks for the RE: GLasses tip! LoL.

I now wish I'd ordered the DVD. I am still as mystified as anyone as to why such a set-list redundant package was released. but. Digging it more the more I listen. Waiting for west coast summer tour info.

 

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  posted on 3/20/2017 at 09:52 PM
The blue ray is just staggeringly beautiful. I only got a few songs in before life interfered, but "Bird on a Wire" got me a ll choked up. Unreal. Goosebumps. Jeez.
 

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Has anyone compared the CD release to the archive.org version? (evil grin)

I'm enjoying it because it is live TTB. Love the band but did not like Everybody's Talking. Oakland is better. Still I agree, it's very boomy, was hoping for better quality mix all the way around. And not sure why there are so many songs repeated from other albums - UNLESS - they needed to get something out to handle a contractual obligation. So. Lovin' some TTB and Wondrin' along with everyone else, WTH.

Maybe I shoulda got the DVD too.

PS: just watched the DVD for LMGB - Susan starts without her glasses. Then she has them on. Anyone smell splice or does she keep 'em on her amp or something?

[Edited on 3/18/2017 by WaitinForRain]

[Edited on 3/19/2017 by WaitinForRain]


You guys have a much more technical ear then myself. I really enjoyed it.

I don't get the complaints about repeat songs. I'm sure they have to get clearance and/or pay to use other peoples songs on their album. So what can they do?


Got the CD / DVD. Love it.
Put me in the camp that doesn't mind the "repeats". The live versions are different than the studio versions.

re: glasses - Susan started the show with them on, then took them off sometime in the 2nd set, and put them back on during LMGB. I can't say why she did that but I've seen her do it before. None of the shots were close ups, everyone else was wearing the exact same clothing in the entire vid. Not a splice.


I'll have to watch it again but I'm sure during one song i noticed susan was wearing different clothes

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 08:20 AM
There is a "soundcheck" song, "Color of the Blues," that is in the middle of the movie but clearly not in the middle of the concert. Maybe that is what you mean?

The movie / video is very edited in terms of having road footage, backstage talk, interviews, snippets of Derek at Marc Maron's house etc.

Those aspects are surprisingly very enjoyable. Usually, given my druthers, I'll take a straight-up concert film instead, but this mix of concert footage plus interviews - like "The Last Waltz" - really works.

I still haven't gotten ALL the way through the video, but I was really moved by the brief snippet with Derek's dad. He seems incredibly light-hearted, delighted to be on the road with Derek and Susan, working the merch booth rather than working as a roofer, enjoying interacting with the fans (particularly savoring a hug from a gorgeous fan!) - his incredibly light nature struck me because his brother Butch was always so intense. This guy is a big sweet teddy bear. He's living the dream. Very poignant for an ABB fan to see.

I also loved the snippet on the tour bus where Susan goes to make Derek's bunk up for him, and she finds about a half a dozen slides in his sheets and under his mattress!!!

 
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