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  posted on 3/9/2017 at 12:59 PM
The problem that just never goes away.

They keep pushing it.

I support TAAD deployment in South Korea. But I don't think one American life is worth risking in a military conflict with North Korea.

China seems to at times look like they are trying to reel North Korea in (like banning coal exports from N Korea after an earlier missile test this year), but it almost seems like China prefers North Korea to be in the middle of US-Asia relations to purposely complicate things for the US in the region.

Policy of ignoring them has kicked the can down the road, how long can such a policy work, forever? What if they ever strike a ship? What if they provoke the South into some kind or retaliation? What then? What about their missile and nuclear program and it's relationship with middle east countries supporting terrorism, like Iran? Can we just let the North Korea nuclear program grow and spread to other bad actors around the globe?

Does anyone have any strong beliefs on how the US should handle the situation?

 
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  posted on 3/9/2017 at 03:36 PM
South Korea or china needs to send a mole to asassinate that chubby faced toad with a bad haircut.
 

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  posted on 3/9/2017 at 04:49 PM
I liked his haircut Pops!

It is not just North Korea. We deployed the the first part of THADD to S. Korea recently and China quickly told us we should cease doing that, so China is involved. China finances our economy, can we afford to piss them off?

Can we let China, N. Korea and Russia rule that part of the world?

Big questions, glad we have a THINK BIG President.

 

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  posted on 3/9/2017 at 04:59 PM
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Big questions, glad we have a THINK BIG President.


He's a clueless jag-off, and the rest of the world knows it. id guess he might shoot himself in the head with whats about to come down on him and his lackeys, but he's too much of a coward.

 

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China finances our economy


This is inaccurate. They own a bunch of our debt, which they will not be selling anytime soon.

 

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  posted on 3/9/2017 at 06:53 PM
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I liked his haircut Pops!

It is not just North Korea. We deployed the the first part of THADD to S. Korea recently and China quickly told us we should cease doing that, so China is involved. China finances our economy, can we afford to piss them off?

Can we let China, N. Korea and Russia rule that part of the world?

Big questions, glad we have a THINK BIG President.




Actually, Russia, China and Both Koreas are in that part of the world, so yes, they should determine what happens there.

Your think big president is more worried about the ratings for The Apprentice and making up lies to deflect from his Russian connections to think big about anything.

 

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I liked his haircut Pops!

It is not just North Korea. We deployed the the first part of THADD to S. Korea recently and China quickly told us we should cease doing that, so China is involved. China finances our economy, can we afford to piss them off?

Can we let China, N. Korea and Russia rule that part of the world?

Big questions, glad we have a THINK BIG President.




Actually, Russia, China and Both Koreas are in that part of the world, so yes, they should determine what happens there.

Your think big president is more worried about the ratings for The Apprentice and making up lies to deflect from his Russian connections to think big about anything.


Spot on.


gina is clueless and her posts just show how badly she needs her meds adjusted/boosted.

 

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  posted on 3/9/2017 at 11:39 PM
China and the US have a mutually dependent (and depending on one's perspective mutually beneficial) relationship.

I don't get the China and North Korean relationship very well. Other than weapons sales to middle eastern countries, North Korea has nothing without China's aid and support. But what does China get out of it?

I suppose the short-term fear for both South Korea and China is a wave of refugees should North Koreans be more freely able to flee in some sort of vacuum in a collapsed North Korea. China definitely will not be seeking to assassinate Kim Jung Un. China seems much happier with the status quo. South Koreans I think would surely choose a North Korea in internal chaos post a Kim Jung Un assassination as optimistic even if it meant waves of refugees on their border.

The only thing that I see the Chinese get out of their relationship with North Korea is a buffer, a pawn to play against the US, Japan and South Korea.

China plays both sides of the fence, pretending to condemn North Korea nuclear tests and missile firing exhibitions, but at the same time act agitated at the US and South Koreans when we react to the North provocations. THAAD is a justified defense system for the South to utilize. Sure China doesn't like it? They don't like it then get Kim Jung Un to stop firing missiles. Pretty easy.

Trump has no idea what to do with North Korea. Ignoring them has gotten us where we are currently. Something tells me they don't want to be ignored any more. In my idealistic world, I'd be more than happy to let Russia, China, South Korea and Japan and other lesser significant nations in the region deal with it. Unfortunately Trump or no Trump - the US is still has to be involved in all these pissing matches around the globe.

At some point, ignoring them...letting sleeping dogs lie so to speak, at some point that son of a bitch is going to take a bite at somebody and then we'll all be dealing with the bloody mess of it then. Better to stop it before it gets to that point. However or whatever "stop" means I don't know.

 

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U.S. and South Korea Rebuff China’s Proposal to Defuse Korea Tensions

By CHRIS BUCKLEY and SOMINI SENGUPTAMARCH 8, 2017

American soldiers during a military exercise in Paju, South Korea, near the border with North Korea, on Tuesday. The United States began assembling a missile defense system in South Korea this week. Credit Jung Yeon-Je/Agence France-Presse — Getty Images

BEIJING — China tried unsuccessfully to calm newly volatile tensions on the Korean Peninsula on Wednesday, proposing that North Korea freeze nuclear and missile programs in exchange for a halt to major military exercises by American and South Korean forces. The proposal was rejected hours later by the United States and South Korea.

“We have to see some sort of positive action by North Korea before we can take them seriously,” Nikki R. Haley, the United States ambassador to the United Nations, told reporters after a Security Council meeting in New York on the escalating Korea crisis. Standing beside her, Cho Tae-yul, the South Korean ambassador, said, “This is not the time for us to talk about freezing or dialogue with North Korea.”

The statements by Ms. Haley and her South Korean counterpart came hours after China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, proposed the suspensions during a Beijing news conference, describing them as a way to create the basis for talks that would end North Korea’s nuclear ambitions.

The alternative to talks, he said, would be an increasingly perilous standoff that threatened the entire region.

“The two sides are like two accelerating trains coming toward each other, and neither side is willing to give way,” Mr. Wang said. “The question is: Are both sides really prepared for a head-on collision?”

But in what appeared to be a hardening American position on North Korea, Ms. Haley said the United States was re-evaluating its approach to the country and its unpredictable young leader, Kim Jong-un, whom she described as “not rational.”

“I can tell you we’re not ruling anything out, and we’re considering every option,” Ms. Haley said after the Security Council meeting, flanked by Mr. Cho and the Japanese ambassador to the United Nations, Koro Bessho.

At the same time, Ms. Haley sought to reassure China publicly that the United States meant no harm by moving ahead with the deployment of a defensive missile shield system in South Korea, after North Korea’s missile launch on Monday. China has condemned the missile shield as a provocation by the Americans that risked a new arms race in the region.

Developments this week have abruptly escalated regional tensions over the isolated North’s nuclear arms development.

The North is also in a diplomatic standoff with Malaysia after the Feb. 13 killing of Kim Jong-nam, the North Korean leader’s estranged half brother, in Kuala Lumpur. On Tuesday, Pyongyang — angered by a police investigation that has named several North Koreans as suspects — said that no Malaysians living in North Korea would be allowed to leave the country, and Malaysia quickly responded in kind.

On Wednesday, Mr. Wang said the priority in the dispute over North Korea’s nuclear program was now “to flash the red light and apply brakes.” China’s “suspension for suspension” proposal “can help us break out of the security dilemma and bring the parties back to the negotiating table,” he said.

Doubts that the idea would gain traction were not surprising. North Korea made a similar offer in 2015 that went nowhere.

Mr. Wang’s proposal was China’s latest attempt to regain the initiative on the nuclear issue, which has bedeviled Beijing’s efforts to stay friends with both North and South Korea and prove itself a mature regional power broker.

“The current situation is a challenge for the Chinese government’s diplomacy,” said Cheng Xiaohe, an associate professor at Renmin University in Beijing who specializes in North Korea. “The situation in the East Asian region is increasingly complicated, and the possibility of a diplomatic solution to the nuclear missile issue is increasingly slim,” he said, referring to North Korea’s nuclear arms program.

Reining in North Korea has also become a focus for the Trump administration’s dealings with China. Starting next week, Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson is to visit Japan, South Korea and China for talks that will focus on “the advancing nuclear and missile threat” from North Korea, the State Department said.

North Korea’s weapons advancements have reached a point where “we do need to look at other alternatives,” Mark C. Toner, a spokesman for the State Department, told reporters in Washington on Tuesday. “And that’s part of what this trip is about, that we’re going to talk to our allies and partners in the region to try to generate a new approach to North Korea.”

But bringing the countries into agreement over initial steps toward peace will not be easy, especially while China is also in a deepening dispute with South Korea and the Trump administration. At the same news conference where he laid out his proposal on Tuesday, Mr. Wang stuck to China’s fierce opposition to the missile defense system the United States began assembling in South Korea this week, known as Thaad, or Terminal High-Altitude Area Defense.

The Chinese government says the system goes far beyond its declared purpose of warding off potential attacks by North Korea and could undermine China’s military security. American and South Korean officials say that that is untrue, and that China should instead focus on halting North Korea’s threats.

“It’s common knowledge that the monitoring and early warning radius of Thaad reaches far beyond the Korean Peninsula and compromises China’s strategic security,” Mr. Wang said at the news conference, which was part of a regular round of briefings during China’s annual legislative session. “It’s not the way that neighbors should treat each other, and it may very well make South Korea less secure.”

Mr. Wang’s proposal for mutual suspensions was an attempt to give new life to China’s long-running efforts to tamp down confrontation between North and South Korea. China is the North’s only major economic and security partner, but it has also developed strong economic and political ties with South Korea that the missile defense system threatens to rupture.

For years, China hosted six-country talks on North Korea’s nuclear program, which brought together North and South Korea, China, Japan, Russia and the United States.

But those talks fell apart in 2009, and North Korea has continued to test nuclear weapons and refine missiles that could eventually carry nuclear warheads as far as the continental United States. North Korea described its launch on Monday of four ballistic missiles as practice for hitting American military bases in Japan.

American officials, and many Chinese experts, have grown skeptical that North Korea would ever seriously contemplate giving up its nuclear weapons.

China’s rift with South Korea and the United States over the missile defense system is likely to embolden North Korea, making it more confident that Beijing would not turn on it, said Shen Dingli, a professor at Fudan University in Shanghai who specializes in nuclear proliferation issues.

“The deployment of Thaad has led to a serious deterioration in Chinese-South Korean relations, so North Korea is delighted with that,” Dr. Shen said in an interview. North Korea appears to have passed the point where it would abandon its nuclear arms, he said. “There’s no solution to this, because North Korea won’t give up its nuclear weapons.”

But Mr. Wang said negotiations were the only acceptable way to resolve the dispute.

“To resolve the nuclear issue, we have to walk on both legs,” he said, “which means not just implementing sanctions, but also restarting talks.”

North Korea’s ties to the global financial system are also under renewed pressure. On Wednesday, the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication, or Swift, issued a statement saying it had recently moved to ban North Korean banks from accessing its platform.

Swift operates as part of the backbone of global bank payment processing by providing a communication platform used by central banks and financial institutions around the world.

Several North Korean banks that were subject to sanctions by both the United Nations and the United States had continued as recently as last year to find ways to access the Swift network, according to a report by a United Nations expert panel that was published last week. Swift said it was responding to an enforcement action by the authorities in Belgium, where Swift is based, but it did not say when it moved to block the North Korean banks from its service.

Follow Chris Buckley @ChuBailiang and Somini Sengupta @SominiSengupta on Twitter.

Chris Buckley reported from Beijing, and Somini Sengupta from the United Nations. Neil Gough contributed reporting from Hong Kong, and Rick Gladstone from New York.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/08/world/asia/china-north-korea-thaad-nucle ar.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fasia&action=click&con tentCollection=asia®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&am p;contentPlacement=10&pgtype=sectionfront&_r=0



I don't know how you can negotiate with North Korea - hasn't worked before, they can't be trusted. Nuclear weapons and offensive missiles are the only thing that makes them relevant. No way they give them up or abandon advancements. It is just a question of at what point are they prepared to actually do something with them. We can hope never, hoping for never has gotten us this far I guess.

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  posted on 3/9/2017 at 11:59 PM
Just to include the latest event prompting my thread.

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North Korea's latest missile launches

North Korea fired five ballistic missiles on Monday. One crashed shortly after taking off, but the other four were detected to have flown about 620 miles and landed in the Sea of Japan. The four missiles flew different trajectories from their launch points, and three of them landed within 200 nautical miles of the coast of Japan — an area that the Japanese government claims as its exclusive economic zone. U.S. officials described the missiles as Scud missiles.

The launches were seen, at least in part, as a reaction by North Korea to U.S.-South Korean military drills that kicked off last week and have taken place annually for about four decades.

North Korea's state news agency KCNA reported Monday's missile launches were practice for a strike on U.S. military bases in Japan that are home to 54,000 U.S. military personnel.

"If the U.S. or South Korea fires even a single flame inside North Korean territory, we will demolish the origin of the invasion and provocation with nuclear tipped missile," KCNA said.

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South Korea or china needs to send a mole to asassinate that chubby faced toad with a bad haircut.


I normally don't condone that type of action, but in this case it might be the only resolve.
There is no negotiating with that country. I hate to see what could happen.

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I normally don't condom that type of action


What type of action do you normally condom?


All actions are safer when you condom.

 

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I normally don't condom that type of action


What type of action do you normally condom?


All actions are safer when you condom.


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  posted on 3/10/2017 at 09:11 PM
Where's ambassador Dennis Rodman when we need him?

Seriously, a situation without an apparent winning strategy. Either North Korea continues to become more of a serious nuclear threat despite all diplomacy or a military solution could lead to catastrophe for South Korea with Seoul only 35 miles from the DMZ.

I believe China likes having a belligerent North Korea around as a thorn in our side although it was surprising to see them suspend coal imports after the North's latest missile testing. Any one's guess whether that will have a lasting impact. Don't see why China would want a full capacity nuclear neighbor so they may be the wildcard in this ongoing fiasco.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2017 at 02:07 PM
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I liked his haircut Pops!

It is not just North Korea. We deployed the the first part of THADD to S. Korea recently and China quickly told us we should cease doing that, so China is involved. China finances our economy, can we afford to piss them off?

Can we let China, N. Korea and Russia rule that part of the world?

Big questions, glad we have a THINK BIG President.




Actually, Russia, China and Both Koreas are in that part of the world, so yes, they should determine what happens there.

Your think big president is more worried about the ratings for The Apprentice and making up lies to deflect from his Russian connections to think big about anything.


He's doing many things, deporting illegals, the bids for building the war to seal off the Mexican border are to be accepted in April, with construction slated to start in 6 months, the American Health Care Act (reformation of the Affordable Care -Obamacare- Act was drafted), and he is getting rid of some of the people of the former administration who would not be loyal to him. I anticipate a complete restructuring of some of those agencies. Towergate (this administrations equivalent of the illegal wiretapping at Watergate) is starting. It will not get swept under the rug.

 

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I liked his haircut Pops!

It is not just North Korea. We deployed the the first part of THADD to S. Korea recently and China quickly told us we should cease doing that, so China is involved. China finances our economy, can we afford to piss them off?

Can we let China, N. Korea and Russia rule that part of the world?

Big questions, glad we have a THINK BIG President.




Actually, Russia, China and Both Koreas are in that part of the world, so yes, they should determine what happens there.

Your think big president is more worried about the ratings for The Apprentice and making up lies to deflect from his Russian connections to think big about anything.


Spot on.


gina is clueless and her posts just show how badly she needs her meds adjusted/boosted.


What insights and/or suggestions do you have to offer about the North Korean situation?

 

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Haha- Should have left it, made more sense, I agree that prophylactic measures should be taken in Korea.


It's too late he's already here!

 

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Power change in South Korea could lead to differing views on North Korea. In the wake of President Park Geun-hye being pushed out of office and new elections coming no later than May; who wins will set the table for what could be a change in North and South Korea relations. Should the North be rewarded, in that conceding that their bad behavior nets them positive results? Will the South want to try yet again to foster a relationship with the North and distance itself from US and Japanese positions? The US has 15 military bases and about 28,000 US troops in the country.

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“Now is a critical transition moment,” said John Delury, an Asia expert at Yonsei University in Seoul. “Starting tomorrow, the question is, where does all this energy go? The unifying factor was a focus on getting rid of a problem. Now, they have to figure out, how do you turn that energy into something more constructive than destructive?”

If Moon, the leading liberal candidate, wins the presidency, one big change could be North Korea.

Moon was an aide in the 2000s to late liberal President Roh Moo-hyun who pursued the so-called Sunshine Policy. This rapprochement effort with the North included big trade and cultural exchanges, and was criticized, and later scrapped, by conservatives because Pyongyang was simultaneously expanding its nuclear weapons and missile programs.

Moon as president would push for more dialogue with the North and would likely reopen an industrial park in the North that was jointly run by the two Koreas before Park closed it last year following a nuclear test and long-range rocket launch by Pyongyang.

The reaction to this possible new approach from conservatives in Japan and the United States, and, indeed, from the numerous South Koreans who distrust Pyongyang, will be just one of many unknowns that will play out as South Korea enters this new political realm.

Whoever leads will have an unusually strong mandate in what has typically been a starkly divided country.

For this momentum to last, South Koreans may have to resist a natural urge to relax, to bask.

One conservative newspaper, the Herald Business, likened what South Koreans have just gone through to the chaos at the end of World War II, when the Korean Peninsula was liberated from Japanese rule and then divided by U.S. and Soviet forces.

The paper suggested in a Friday editorial that people should “calmly return to their daily lives.”

The next months will see if a newly inspired public, fresh off of flooding the nation’s streets until their leaders acted, embrace that advice.
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/12/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy -asia-pacific/park-gone-south-korea-must-now-turn-peaceful-revolution-lasti ng-progress/#.WMX7dfLs4VQ


 

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  posted on 3/13/2017 at 10:50 AM
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A defensive missile shield in South Korea is a joke. Seoul is 35 miles from the border. It is 121 miles from Seoul to Pyongyang. Close quarters for nuclear warfare, with a burn radius of fifty miles. That is about like Macon nuking Statesboro. Suicide.


Yeah, although it depends what kind of missiles they are protecting against. If North Korea for were to launch a conventional missile attack, the defense system could handle that. You can't always protect against everything, but that doesn't mean you should not take steps to protect against some things.

 

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A little history...

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Tillerson has visited Japan, South Korea and now China.

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Mar 18, 2017

BEIJING – Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said on Saturday he held “candid, pragmatic and productive” talks with visiting U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, which included North Korea, Taiwan and bilateral trade.

Tillerson said tensions with the North were at a “dangerous level” and that the U.S. would work with China on the issue.

He said both sides renewed their determination to convince North Korea, which has a fast-developing nuclear and ballistic missile program, to choose a better path.

Wang also told Tillerson that China and the United States are in “close communication” on arranging a meeting between Chinese President Xi Jinping and U.S. President Donald Trump. The remarks were reported by China’s official Xinhua news agency on Saturday.

Tillerson’s visit followed his remarks in South Korea on Friday in which he warned that pre-emptive military action against North Korea might be necessary if the threat from their weapons program reaches a level “that we believe requires action.”

China, the North’s biggest source of diplomatic support and economic assistance, has yet to directly respond to his remarks, although Beijing has called repeatedly for steps to reduce tensions.

Wang warned last week that the North and Washington and Seoul were like “two accelerating trains” headed at each other, with neither side willing to give way.

“The question is: Are the two sides really ready for a head-on collision?” Wang told reporters. “Our priority now is to flash the red light and apply the brakes on both trains.”

Wang said North Korea could suspend its nuclear and missile activities in exchange for a halt in joint U.S.-South Korea military drills, a proposal swiftly shot down by U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, who said Washington has to see “some sort of positive action” from North Korea before it can take leader Kim Jong Un seriously.

Tillerson’s comments in Seoul that “all of the options are on the table,” including possible military action, are likely to be deeply disconcerting to Beijing, which fears that a collapse of Kim’s regime would send waves of refugees into northeastern China and land South Korean and American forces on its border.

China has agreed reluctantly to U.N. Security Council resolutions sanctioning North Korea, while calling for renewed dialogue under the Beijing-sponsored six-nation format that broke down in 2009.

In a further sign of its frustration with Pyongyang, China last month banned imports of North Korean coal for the rest of the year, potentially depriving Kim’s regime of a key source of foreign currency.

Past U.S. administrations have considered military force because of North Korea’s development of nuclear weapons and ballistic missiles to deliver them, but rarely has that option been expressed so explicitly as by Tillerson.

North Korea has accelerated its weapons development, violating multiple Security Council resolutions without being deterred by sanctions. The North conducted two nuclear test explosions and 24 ballistic missile tests last year. Experts say it could have a nuclear-tipped missile capable of reaching the U.S. within a few years.

China has stridently opposed the deployment of a U.S. missile defense system to South Korea, saying its X-band radar can peer deep into China to monitor flights and rocket launches. The U.S. says it’s a system focused on North Korea. China sees it as a threat to its own security.

Tillerson’s visit to Beijing is the final stop on his three-nation swing through Northeast Asia, which began in Japan. State Department officials have described it as a “listening tour” as the administration seeks a coherent North Korea policy, well-coordinated with its Asian partners.

Tillerson said Saturday that the U.S. wanted positive ties based on “nonconfrontation, no conflict and mutual respect.”

He is expected to discuss with China its claim to virtually the entire South China Sea, including its building of islands atop coral reefs, complete with airstrips and military installations.

During his confirmation hearings in January, Tillerson compared China’s island-building and deployment of military assets to Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea, and suggested China’s access to the islands should not be allowed.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2017/03/18/asia-pacific/politics-diplomacy -asia-pacific/tillerson-face-chinese-ire-blame-north-korea-tensions/#.WM1Db me1vIU


 

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There is somebody over your shoulder Mr Secretary!






Just like before




 

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US official: North Korea fires a possible ballistic missile

By Paula Hancocks, Barbara Starr and Darran Simon, CNN

Updated 8:43 PM ET, Tue April 4, 2017


(CNN)North Korea fired a projectile into the Sea of Japan, also known as the East Sea, on Wednesday morning, US and South Korean officials said.

The United States believes the projectile was likely a ballistic missile, according to a US official. It is one of several the country has test-fired in recent months.

North Korea's missile test comes just a day before Chinese President Xi Jinping visits US President Donald Trump for a summit in Florida.

The United States has been pressuring China to put pressure on North Korea to stop its nuclear program and missile testing, but Trump said on Sunday the United States would be prepared to act alone to stop North Korea.

The projectile used in Wednesday's test was launched at 6:42 a.m. Seoul time, from a site in the vicinity of Sinpo, South Hamgyong province, a South Korean Defense Ministry official said. It flew a distance of around 60 kilometers (37 miles), South Korean officials said.

The North Koreans use Sinpo shipyard for their submarine activity, and US satellites have observed increased activity there in recent days, a second US official said.

US Pacific Command said it detected and tracked a North Korean missile launch at 11:42 a.m. Hawaii time April 4, according to a statement. Pacific Command's initial assessment is that the missile was a KN-15 medium range ballistic missile.

"The North American Aerospace Defense Command determined the missile launch from North Korea did not pose a threat to North America," said Cmdr. Dave Benham, spokesman for US Pacific Command.

The Japanese government estimated the projectile did not land within its exclusive economic zone, Japan's Chief Cabinet Secretary Yoshihide Suga told reporters in a briefing Wednesday morning.

The United States has grown increasingly wary of the pace of North Korea's nuclear and ballistic missile programs as the regime has test-fired several ballistic missiles in the first two months of this year.

US officials and analysts have said the fact that the frequency and variety of tests is increasing shows North Korea is making progress in its missile programs.

"There's two ways to look at it -- one, they're quicker at doing the (launch) setup (and) they're quicker at making the missiles and transporting them," said Carl Schuster, a Hawaii Pacific University professor and former director of operations at the US Pacific Command's Joint Intelligence Center, after North Korea tested missiles in early March.

"Keep in mind if they're doing a test shot you want to keep some (missiles) in reserve in case you go to war, so you're shooting a missile that is operationally spare. That means their missile stockpiles are larger than they were before," Schuster said.

US officials said the latest missile launch used a solid-fueled rocket from a mobile launcher.
Solid fuel is like an explosive jelly, less corrosive than liquid fuel, and it can be more easily stored in the rocket's fuel tank than the liquid alternative, which requires specially lined tanks.

As with other rocket forces, North Korea's liquid fuel-powered ballistic missiles up until now required a garrison, fuel storage tanks and support vehicles to launch, which can be identified with imagery, experts say.

But solid fuel-powered missiles need much less infrastructure, making them difficult for those monitoring North Korea's military movements to spot, as there are fewer indicators, such as movement of trucks, for South Korean or US satellites and other surveillance to pick up on.

That means they are also more survivable in the event of a US first strike.

A senior White House official on Tuesday said: "The clock has now run out, and all options are on the table," pointing to the failure of successive administrations' efforts to negotiate an end to the country's nuclear program.

North Korea has successfully detonated nuclear weapons in the past, but experts said the country still hasn't developed the technology to equip a ballistic missile with a nuclear warhead.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/04/asia/north-korea-projectile/index.html



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China continues to oppose the tough measures demanded of it to address the issue, fearing a collapse of the Pyongyang regime would bring a crush of refugees and possibly U.S. and South Korean troops on its border.

Trump told the Financial Times over the weekend that the U.S. is prepared to act alone if China does not take a tougher stand against North Korea's nuclear program.

"China has great influence over North Korea," Trump said. "And China will either decide to help us with North Korea, or they won't. And if they do that will be very good for China, and if they don't it won't be good for anyone."
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/04/north-korea-fires-missile-as-us-off icial-says-clock-has-now-run-out-on-pyongyang.html


 

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What Would Happen in the Minutes and Hours After the US Attacked North Korea?

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