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  posted on 2/15/2017 at 08:27 PM

Has Iranian pre revolution experience? The press will have a field day with him.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/world/2017/02/15/Trump-s-national-secu rity-adviser-choice-was-in-pre-revolution-Iran.html

 

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  posted on 2/15/2017 at 08:28 PM
yes, i'm concerned about this guy too

 

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  posted on 2/15/2017 at 09:35 PM
Seems like he should be banned from the US.
 

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  posted on 2/15/2017 at 09:49 PM
Some reading I've done including Gina's link, I don't see a problem. Please enlighten?
 

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  posted on 2/15/2017 at 10:00 PM
i may have misspoke, just seems i read something or was in one of my previous posts. i will re evaluate my position. not that i will look for bad things......just see what i read or posted before. thanks for asking that question neb, i've been thinking bout it since i said it.


so far....i withdraw my concerns until i can find what i read or imagined i read....seriously...thanks for questioning my earlier comment

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  posted on 2/15/2017 at 10:33 PM
maybe this is what i saw....i'm getting tired and ready for bed but i found this comment

Harward also would work well with Defense Secretary James Mattis. When Mattis was chief of Central Command, Harward was his deputy. Mattis trusted him enough to put him in charge of planning for war with Iran. Mattis has urged Harward to take the NSA job.

i only find this troubling because i'm not sure what Bannon has planned

i will look futher into my thinking

 

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  posted on 2/15/2017 at 10:38 PM
He actually seems like a much more sound choice than Flynn. I mean Flynn's ability on the battlefield as a military officer is one thing, but that wasn't exactly the guy we were getting - dude got weird and political beyond reason.

Harward may be a macho type, but alot of the military guys are. The only real concern that I think anyone could have is how he meshes with Trump, which could be kind of awkward. But I expect more professionalism for sure.

No big deal that he lived in Iran or traveled surrounding nations in the 1970s, it was a different time with different geo-political landscapes. I think 2112 was joking, since he lived there he should be blocked on a travel ban, haha ,right?

But what do I know, before a few hours ago I never heard his name. He seems respected without some of the strange circumstances like Flynn had around him.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2017 at 10:42 PM
I suspect the military has military plans, contingency plans and tactics for events and against countries that may never arise.

I mean, the opposite of course, is having no plan and then if something unexpected happens you are left scrambling not knowing what to do....kind of like the White House currently.

Seems like Bannon liked Flynn? Harward may be viewed as an outsider and may not share the same points of view as Bannon or Miller or whoever. Which is good you'd think, so long as his voice is hear. Different points of view in situations in which they'd be discussing them are good.

So I guess the biggest fear could be that a power struggle emerges now because with Flynn around they were probably always just back slapping eachother on what they thought and believed should happen.

 

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  posted on 2/15/2017 at 10:44 PM
yup yup....left or right......we all seem to be wondering what is going on

 

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  posted on 2/16/2017 at 07:06 PM
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Some reading I've done including Gina's link, I don't see a problem. Please enlighten?


I think the media may be concerned that he was in Iran prior to the Revolution. That is not usually the experience someone has who is working for the U.S. Given the questioning going on these days with any official having any ties to anyone in other countries, I think they may have questions for him. Flynn wasn't even in Russia, look what they did to him.

 

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  posted on 2/16/2017 at 07:12 PM
He turned down the job.
 

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  posted on 2/16/2017 at 07:16 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/robert-harward_us_58a6331fe4b045cd34c01 093?

Trump’s Pick To Replace Michael Flynn Turns Down Offer: Report
Flynn resigned as national security adviser on Monday.

WASHINGTON, Feb 16 (Reuters) - President Donald Trump’s choice for national security adviser, retired Vice Admiral Robert Harward, has turned down the offer, sources familiar with Harward’s decision said on Thursday.

Harward was offered the job after Michael Flynn was fired by Trump on Monday for misleading Vice President Mike Pence over his conversations with Russia’s ambassador to the United States.

Two sources familiar with the decision said Harward turned down the job in part because he wanted to bring in his own team.

That put him at odds with Trump, who had told Flynn’s deputy, K.T. McFarland, that she could stay.

 

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  posted on 2/16/2017 at 07:42 PM
I got this today, about the Iranian Revolution and some of what was involved over there.

http://english.aawsat.com/2017/02/article55367157/khomeinis-revolution-cias -analysis

Politics over there is complicated.

 

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  posted on 2/16/2017 at 07:43 PM
A friend of Harward's said he was reluctant to take the job because the White House seems so chaotic. Harward called the offer a "s*** sandwich," the friend said.

 

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  posted on 2/16/2017 at 08:16 PM
Harward turned it down. smart man.
 

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  posted on 2/16/2017 at 08:46 PM
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Harward turned it down. smart man.


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  posted on 2/17/2017 at 12:06 AM
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He turned down the job.


Disappointing, but maybe better off for him.


Trump is still missing DNI nominee Dan Coats. He hasn't had a hearing yet. Unsure if that is paperwork related, back ground related, or what. Now the Senate is going on a recess. The parties just had a "retreats" and now go on recess. **** Washington already. How many days do those bums actually work?

Did come across this:
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The New York Times reported Wednesday that Trump intends to have New York billionaire Stephen Feinberg review U.S. intelligence agencies. The story reported that Coats is "especially angry" and sees the review as an attempt by Trump aide Stephen Bannon and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner "to sideline him before he is even confirmed, according to current and former officials."

The Times story, by James Risen and Matthew Rosenberg, said that Coats "believes the review would impinge on a central part of his role as the director of national intelligence and fears that if Mr. Feinberg were working at the White House, he could quickly become a dominant voice on intelligence matters."

http://www.journalgazette.net/news/local/indiana/Hearing-set-as-Trump-maint ains-Coats--confirmation-is-stalled-17834245


 

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  posted on 2/17/2017 at 12:58 AM
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He turned down the job.


Disappointing, but maybe better off for him.


Trump is still missing DNI nominee Dan Coats. He hasn't had a hearing yet. Unsure if that is paperwork related, back ground related, or what. Now the Senate is going on a recess. The parties just had a "retreats" and now go on recess. **** Washington already. How many days do those bums actually work?

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The New York Times reported Wednesday that Trump intends to have New York billionaire Stephen Feinberg review U.S. intelligence agencies. The story reported that Coats is "especially angry" and sees the review as an attempt by Trump aide Stephen Bannon and Trump son-in-law Jared Kushner "to sideline him before he is even confirmed, according to current and former officials."

The Times story, by James Risen and Matthew Rosenberg, said that Coats "believes the review would impinge on a central part of his role as the director of national intelligence and fears that if Mr. Feinberg were working at the White House, he could quickly become a dominant voice on intelligence matters."

http://www.journalgazette.net/news/local/indiana/Hearing-set-as-Trump-maint ains-Coats--confirmation-is-stalled-17834245




Seems like Dan Coats should be a shoe in. He is one of the few Trump nominees who is actually qualified. Kind of surprised Trump nominated him since he is a fierce opponent of Russia.

 

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  posted on 2/17/2017 at 09:54 AM
He's been around Washington a long time and knows how the confirmation works, I doubt the delay was on his end, as it has been suggested that some of the nominees got delayed because of compliance paperwork or controversies found in back ground checks, but as this article points out, he already has security clearance.

DNI sets no policy, but I would have to think that Trumps hand picked director of national intelligence could only be benefiting our current situation. If Coats had been in place maybe there isn't even a need for Trump to suggest the need for a Feinberg type character.

I expressed some frustration about Coats not being an early confirmed person a few weeks ago. Some might not see the DNI position as a critical one, but when you are dealing with a person like Trump and his lack of knowledge and experience on all things Washington and intelligence in general (plus Bannon and Miller's lack of knowledge and experience), the more people you can get close to him that he supposedly wants or trusts the better, right?


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Where's The Director Of National Intelligence?
By Mary Louise Kelly • 19 hours ago


Originally published on February 16, 2017 5:49 pm

Updated at 5:10 p.m. ET

Call it the case of the mysterious moving confirmation hearing.

Donald Trump nominated Dan Coats to the nation's top intelligence post back on Jan. 7, when Trump was still president-elect and Coats — an Indiana Republican — was a sitting senator.

But today — nearly four weeks into the Trump administration — there's still no firm date on the calendar for the Senate confirmation hearing for the director of national intelligence nominee.

Capitol Hill aides first told NPR that the confirmation hearing was slated for early February, then said the target date might shift to this week. Today, Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., told reporters he is aiming for the last week of February. Burr chairs the Senate Intelligence Committee, which runs the process for intelligence posts.

The holdup prompts the question: Might Coats be getting cold feet?

Not the case, according to Burr, who blamed slow paperwork for the holdup.

"Requirements of the minority to have everything — and some of that's out of our control, it's FBI security, background checks," he said. It's worth noting that Coats already holds a security clearance, owing to his service as a member of both the Senate Armed Services and Intelligence committees.

It's also worth noting that President Trump is currently running national security and foreign policy without the benefit of guidance from either a permanent national security adviser or a permanent U.S. intelligence chief.

(Trump fired his national security adviser, Michael Flynn, on Monday, citing a breakdown in trust over Flynn's contacts with Russia and how Flynn subsequently portrayed those contacts to Vice President Pence. Over at the office of the DNI, CIA veteran Michael Dempsey has been serving as acting director since Jan. 20.)

The intelligence community has clashed with the president, following Trump's earlier dismissal of the consensus of all 17 U.S. spy agencies that Russia tried to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. Three agencies — the CIA, the NSA and the FBI — concluded that Russia worked to tip the vote to Trump.

Since then, the feud has only intensified after press reports that included what Trump called leaks from inside the intelligence services.

In public, Trump has praised Coats. At a White House news conference on Thursday, he called the former senator a "brilliant guy, [a] great guy."

Trump told reporters he is irked by the delay in getting his DNI installed. Coats is "one of the most respected men in the Senate," he said, adding, "He can't get approved. How do you not approve him?"

But in private, Trump and his advisers have questioned the value of the DNI post and signaled that they believe the intelligence bureaucracy might benefit from streamlining. And on Thursday, the New York Times reported that Trump plans to assign New York billionaire Stephen Feinberg to lead a review of the intelligence community, from inside the White House.

It's not clear how that might affect the flow of information between spy agencies and the president, or whether introducing Feinberg into the mix might be an attempt to sideline current intelligence leaders.

The Times report suggested Coats is not pleased about the prospect of Feinberg's assignment or the potential competition Feinberg might represent.

"Mr. Coats is especially angry at what he sees as a move by [Trump aides Stephen Bannon and Jared Kushner] to sideline him before he is even confirmed, according to current and former officials," reporters James Risen and Matthew Rosenberg wrote.

At his White House press conference Thursday, Trump played down the prospect of Feinberg joining the White House.

"He's offered his services and you know, it's something we may take advantage of," Trump said. "But I don't think [we will] need that at all because of the fact that, you know, I think that we are gonna be able to straighten it out very easily on its own."

Even as that story is playing out, the road appears to be clear for Coats whenever he does appear before his former colleagues.

"I know of no obstacle to [Coats] being confirmed," says Jane Harman, the California Democrat and former ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee. "Dan Coats is a former member [of Congress] who is popular with both sides — certainly popular with me.

"We worked together when he was on the Senate Intelligence Committee and we worked together when he was U.S. ambassador to Germany," Harman, who now runs the Wilson Center, a nonpartisan Washington think tank, told NPR. "He is skilled, modest and gets along with everybody."

The question now is, when might Coats get to apply those skills to the top job in U.S. intelligence?
http://gpbnews.org/post/amid-all-intrigue-wheres-director-national-intellig ence


 

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  posted on 2/18/2017 at 01:34 AM
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A friend of Harward's said he was reluctant to take the job because the White House seems so chaotic. Harward called the offer a "s*** sandwich," the friend said.


He probably did use the term "sh:t sandwich" Suppose that is better than FUBAR.

MSNBC report is that David Petraeus has now also turned an offer for the position down, but I haven't seen that reported anywhere else yet.

 

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  posted on 2/18/2017 at 01:43 AM
i said somewhere else Trump needs to slow things down......he can't keep acting the way he is and expect people to work for him like in his family business

 

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  posted on 2/18/2017 at 11:06 AM
Maybe this has already been mentioned, but it seems Trump or possibly someone closet to him seems hell bent on picking the staff for the National Security Adviser and this is what's leading to the recent candidates turning down the position.

Anyone who knows or has worked in government understands that it's the staff who actually do the work of the agency and thus anyone taking the highest position within said dept. want the ability to hire their own staff. Who wouldn't?

The fact that Trump or someone very close to him feels the need to micro-manage people who are obviously very bright and knowledgeable is very telling about the paranoia and delusions of grandeur certain elements within Trump's close circle posses.

 

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  posted on 2/18/2017 at 11:36 PM
This whole thing seems to be a few possibilities...

A - Pure populism combined with optimism and pure leadership qualities in Donald Trump.
B - Pure populism combined with a lot of Americans sick of the left and liberals, and Hillary is just not that likeable and never will be, the last Rockefeller Republican, in the end belonging to a party of no one.
C - A carefully crafted coup orchestrated by Russia to draw the world into a highly profitable conventional WWIII.
D - Pure right place right time populism elects a man who has absolutely no idea what he is doing.

I'm going with D.

You won. You beat her. Jobs and the economy. Future for us and our children. You're the President. Act like it. What's the plan?

 

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Maybe this has already been mentioned, but it seems Trump or possibly someone closet to him seems hell bent on picking the staff for the National Security Adviser and this is what's leading to the recent candidates turning down the position.

Anyone who knows or has worked in government understands that it's the staff who actually do the work of the agency and thus anyone taking the highest position within said dept. want the ability to hire their own staff. Who wouldn't?

The fact that Trump or someone very close to him feels the need to micro-manage people who are obviously very bright and knowledgeable is very telling about the paranoia and delusions of grandeur certain elements within Trump's close circle posses.


Serious people apparently don't want KT McFarland as their deputy. I guess all her work at Fox News doesn't count for much on the resume, well atleast not to serious national security people that is.

Harward is going to be on ABC This Week Sunday morning.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2017 at 12:33 AM
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This whole thing seems to be a few possibilities...

A - Pure populism combined with optimism and pure leadership qualities in Donald Trump.
B - Pure populism combined with a lot of Americans sick of the left and liberals, and Hillary is just not that likeable and never will be, the last Rockefeller Republican, in the end belonging to a party of no one.
C - A carefully crafted coup orchestrated by Russia to draw the world into a highly profitable conventional WWIII.
D - Pure right place right time populism elects a man who has absolutely no idea what he is doing.

I'm going with D.

You won. You beat her. Jobs and the economy. Future for us and our children. You're the President. Act like it. What's the plan?


Yeah D, maybe some kind of B/D combo.

I think Trump knows what he wants to do on alot of things, but really doesn't know how to do it or even know enough about the issue to speak all that intelligently on many issues.

It is a strange position for a person like me to be in, because on one hand I generally support and policy side of the administration, but on the other hand don't like at all the conduct and concerns of overall competency.

We are a month in and we still get braggadocious election and campaign talk. Time for talk is over.

 
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