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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 06:02 PM
Our new president promised to rarely leave the White House. It seems he has chamged his mind

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-mar-a-lago-travel-winter-white-house-broken -promise-14f6d5d609ef#.gj09fy1f1


And selling access to is club members. Didn't some people here have a problem with that?

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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 06:44 PM
I live in Delray, just south of W Palm. Basically no one here I know will fly in/out of W Palm on Fridays and Sundays/MondayAM because of the Secret Service barricades all around roads leading to the airport the past few weeks.

But remember, Trump has tremendous stamina. He can walk all 18 holes.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 07:58 PM
people should quit worrying about how people who have to make HUGE decisions impacting everyone....find a way to blow off steam or clear their mind......whether now or before.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 08:01 PM
More Trump causing problems for himself. Somehow he will blame the media probably.

He did say, or I think somebody reported, early on that he may not live in Washington full time. If it does cost $3 million a trip then the club or Trump should reimburse the federal government for atleast some portion of it.

I remember Trump was also very critical of President Obama golfing so much. Like I've said on so much of this he is his own worst enemy.

The concept of the overall story, paying for access - that happens all the time at fundraising events and dinners Presidents attend for their respective political parties. Bill Clinton came to Youngstown for a fund raising dinner in the last year or so and after you paid for the dinner plate entrance fee, you could then pay more money to get your photo taken with him. A past President, not a sitting President and not in the setting of classified national security matters potentially being discussed - yeah, I'm not trying to say that isn't concerning. But just on the grounds of outrage that some people might pay to be close or to gain access to a sitting or former President isn't that unusual. It's unusual it is at a private club that the President repeatedly comes to, but my point is paying for access to a President is common and it happens at D and R fundraisers across the country.

Now disclosing information about who carries the "football" and photographs with that person, completely inexcusable. I am shocked the secret service would allow such a thing.

The link does have one other tidbit of personal interest to me:

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Meanwhile, Trump has canceled a planned trip to Vienna, Ohio. He was scheduled to depart Thursday. The president reportedly was going there to deliver a speech and sign a bill reversing an Obama administration rule meant to keep coal mines from dumping waste in streams.


Vienna Ohio is home to our Air Force Reserve Unit, and also serves as a regional airport large enough for commercial flights. Reportedly it was one of the only small towns near coal country that could handle Air Force One.

So this area, northeast Ohio, the Youngstown area is traditionally very blue collar, union and Democrat. Trumbull county where Vienna is located voted for a nonincumbent Republican President for the first time in 88 years! He only lost neighboring Mahoning County by 4000 votes. Tells you how blue it is here and what it took for people traditionally who vote D flipped to Trump.

So now here comes the sitting President coming back to sign a bill into law, the last time he was here he talked about trade and jobs - all things that Democrats have been talking about here for decades and nothing ever changes. Now here he comes back after championing the blue collar workers that have been left behind in the free trade global econcomy, and has acted in office with respect to trade and jobs every bit that he did as a candidate - wanting to enact changes and legislation to benefit this area and here is how the Democratic Party here responds:

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Mahoning County Democrats
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As you've probably heard by now, the Liar-in-Chief will invade the Valley on Thursday.

We need to greet him appropriately when he arrives.

To make sure we give him the welcome he so richly deserves, we're conducting a planning session tonight at 7:00 P.M. in the Canfield Library which is located at 43 W. Main Street in Canfield. You're invited to join us and contribute thoughts and ideas that will help us make Trump's visit an experience he'll never forget--or want to repeat.
https://www.facebook.com/mahoningdems/



Are these people Americans first, or Democrats first?

They don't want a sitting President who may finally do this area some good in terms of Washington legislation and change, and the Democrats want him to never come back. Talk about putting party ahead of country, or even your own hometown!

 

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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 09:20 PM
so far....i don't think congress has passed a bill for president trump to sign....that will be when we have more time to have opinions.....so far its been executive orders......which the right hated....even though were less than past presidents.......strange times in 1st 3-4 weeks

 

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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 09:47 PM
As far as I'm concerned, the more time Trump spends on the golf course the better. I hope he golf's every day and never spends another minute in Washington.
 

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so far....i don't think congress has passed a bill for president trump to sign....that will be when we have more time to have opinions.....so far its been executive orders......which the right hated....even though were less than past presidents.......strange times in 1st 3-4 weeks


This is the one

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On Feb. 1, the House passed the bill 228-194 to overturn the Obama-era rule designed to reduce water pollution. On Feb. 2, the Senate 54-45 vote to pass similar legislation, making it the first of a number of coal rules expected to be ended in the current Congress, Reuters reported.
http://wvrecord.com/stories/511079183-trump-expected-to-sign-resolution-to- end-coal-rule-mckinley-s-office-says


 

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The president reportedly was going there to deliver a speech and sign a bill reversing an Obama administration rule meant to keep coal mines from dumping waste in streams.


How dare anyone take issue with this. Pollution is awesome.

 

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The president reportedly was going there to deliver a speech and sign a bill reversing an Obama administration rule meant to keep coal mines from dumping waste in streams.


How dare anyone take issue with this. Pollution is awesome.


If Obama signed it, it must be bad. Thank God now I can do my midnight dumping of toxic chemicals during the day.

 

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  posted on 2/14/2017 at 07:11 PM
Perhaps the worst part of Trump's negating the Obama administrations regulation (sorry to use such a vile and disgusting word) of the coal industry is that it's purely for the camera as the coal industry is doomed and there isn't much Chump can do about it other than pose for photo-ops.

I truly feel bad for the thousands of dislocated coal miners who have been displaced by automated strip mining and the natural gas shale boom. The best thing Trump and Congress could do rather than engage in useless rhetoric and meaningless photo-ops is to properly fund federal legislation such as the Workforce Investment Act to retrain these dislocated workers.

Instead Chump continues to pretend he can actually revive a long dying industry... As does Mitch McConnell and other carbon warriors in Congress...

 

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The president reportedly was going there to deliver a speech and sign a bill reversing an Obama administration rule meant to keep coal mines from dumping waste in streams.


How dare anyone take issue with this. Pollution is awesome.


If Obama signed it, it must be bad. Thank God now I can do my midnight dumping of toxic chemicals during the day.


Yeah, it's not like people fish in those rivers or get their water from them.

 

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The president reportedly was going there to deliver a speech and sign a bill reversing an Obama administration rule meant to keep coal mines from dumping waste in streams.
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How dare anyone take issue with this. Pollution is awesome.



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If Obama signed it, it must be bad. Thank God now I can do my midnight dumping of toxic chemicals during the day.


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Perhaps the worst part of Trump's negating the Obama administrations regulation (sorry to use such a vile and disgusting word) of the coal industry is that it's purely for the camera as the coal industry is doomed and there isn't much Chump can do about it other than pose for photo-ops.

I truly feel bad for the thousands of dislocated coal miners who have been displaced by automated strip mining and the natural gas shale boom. The best thing Trump and Congress could do rather than engage in useless rhetoric and meaningless photo-ops is to properly fund federal legislation such as the Workforce Investment Act to retrain these dislocated workers.

Instead Chump continues to pretend he can actually revive a long dying industry... As does Mitch McConnell and other carbon warriors in Congress...



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Yeah, it's not like people fish in those rivers or get their water from them.


Well you all donít enjoy just coming here and agreeing with one another do you? At least I hope appreciate measured responses compared to post-and-run or name calling posts from others.

Bottom line from a snopes story:

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...this joint resolution does not in itself legalize anything; rather, it invalidates an update to the 1983 law, leaving plenty of wiggle room for interpretations friendlier to the mining industry.
http://www.snopes.com/2017/02/06/dump-coal-waste-into-streams/



I donít know where everyone else lives, but in my area, coal still makes up 30% of what we need to turn the lights on. 2 years ago it was double.
2016 - https://www.firstenergycorp.com/content/dam/customer/get-help/files/brochur es/environmental%20disclosures/Ohio/ohio-q-env-disclosures.pdf
2014 - https://www.firstenergycorp.com/content/dam/customer/billinserts/6531-OhioE nvironmentalDisclosure1214.pdf

Growth in nuclear has played a role in my area. Sometimes older coal fired plants just reach the end of their useful life cycle. And yes, chain, the natural gas shale boom has had a large impact as well, but I donít suspect you are all that happy about that are you? The fracking and injection well issue? Overall, I like the situation with respect we trade off of some of the oldest and dirtiest coal plants with natural gas to pick up the slack...Iím just glad we had the fracking boom or else I donít know where weíd be in terms of electricity generation. Perhaps you find some of this trade off and compromise as a good one too, a realistic solution for now even though not ideal in the eyes of those who favor renewables over fossil fuel.

I do think it is disingenuous to not say regulations are a factor, not that Iím making a case they are the only or even largest factor, but they are a noteworthy contributing factor none-the-less. I know that some of the Ďleftí have tried to tell the story that all this retirement is happening and will continue to happen with or without any of this regulation. That isnít true. And Iím not talking about the Clean Power Plan which doesnít hit until 2030, Iím talking about regulations that have already gone into effect years ago. Such as:

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Planned coal-fired power plant retirements continue to increase
March 2014
The need to comply with the Environmental Protection Agency's (EPA) Mercury and Air Toxics Standards (MATS) regulations together with weak electricity demand growth and continued competition from generators fueled by natural gas have recently led several power producers to announce plans to retire coal-fired facilities.

Between 2012 and 2020, about 60 gigawatts of coal-fired capacity is projected to retire in the AEO2014 Reference case, which assumes implementation of the MATS standards, as well as other existing laws and regulations. The recently announced 5.4 gigawatts of retirements reflect particular strategies of coal plant operators and provide a view of some key drivers in coal plant retirement decisions.

Tennessee Valley Authority. On November 14, 2013, the Tennessee Valley Authority (TVA) announced that it was retiring eight coal-fired units with nearly 3,000 megawatts (MW) of generating capacity. Two units at TVA's Paradise Fossil Plant (1,230 MW), Unit 8 at the Widows Creek Fossil Plant (465 MW), and all five units at its Colbert Fossil Plant (1,184 MW) are now slated for retirement. The current retirement plans are an addition to TVA's previously reported retirement plans announced in 2011. TVA officials gave no fixed dates for the planned retirements, but they stated that the units will not operate beyond the MATS implementation date (April 2015).

South Carolina Electric & Gas. South Carolina Electric & Gas (SCEG) announced that it had ceased operations at its Canadys Station generating facility earlier in November. The 295-MW plant's closing is part of SCEG's efforts to reduce emissions and to comply with MATS regulations that are scheduled to take effect in 2015. SCEG originally planned to convert the units to natural gas before retiring them in 2018.

Consumers Energy. Consumers Energy (CE) petitioned the Michigan Public Service Commission (MPSC) to approve a bond issue to cover costs pertaining to the closure, decommissioning, and demolition of three coal-fired power plants. The facilities, Units 4 and 5 of the B.C. Cobb Plant (312 MW), Units 7 and 8 of the J.C. Weadock Plant (310 MW), and Units 1, 2, and 3 of the J.R. Whiting Plant (325 MW), would cease operations by April 2016. CE stated that the units would be shut down because the installation of additional emissions controls necessary to achieve compliance with EPA environmental regulations would be uneconomical. It was announced on December 3, 2013, that MPSC had approved the bond issue.

Energy Capital Partners. New Jersey-based Energy Capital Partners (ECP) filed paperwork with the Independent System Operator of New England (ISONE) to close the Brayton Point generating facility in 2017 after it failed to reach a deal on a new power-purchase agreement. Brayton Point currently has agreements with ISONE through May 30, 2016. ISONE voted to reject the retirement of the coal-fired units on December 19, 2013, after which the company stated it would go forward with plans to retire all units. Three of the four Brayton Point generating units, totaling about 1,084 MW, are coal-fired; the remaining 435 MW of generator capacity are powered by oil or natural gas. ECP had just recently finalized the purchase of the 1,520-MW facility from Dominion Resources in September 2013.

Georgia Power. Georgia Power (GP) announced that it planned to file a request with the Georgia Public Service Commission (GPSC) to decertify Unit 3 at its Mitchell generating facility. If approved by the GPSC, GP plans to retire the 155-MW unit before the end of April 2015. GP had proposed to convert the unit to use biomass, but the conversion was determined not to be cost effective.

http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=15491




Note, Iím purposely not pushing an energy industry propaganda, EIA is a government site reporting this information.

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Coal made up more than 80% of retired electricity generating capacity in 2015
March 2016

Coal's share of electricity generation has been falling, largely because of competition with natural gas. Environmental regulations affecting power plants have also played a role. About 30% of the coal capacity that retired in 2015 occurred in April, which is when the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency's Mercury and Air Toxics Standards (MATS) rule went into effect. Some coal plants applied for and received one-year extensions, meaning that many of the coal retirements expected in 2016 will likely also occur in April. Several plants have received additional one-year extensions beyond April 2016 based on their role in ensuring regional system reliability.
http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=25272



Further, some of the growth in natural gas use in electricity production isnít just because of the ďboomĒ and the supply and price advantage, earlier on in the current retirement cycle producers were seeking a cleaner fuel for the coal plants that were eventually planned to retire. What Iím saying is that part of the need or demand for natural gas to offset coal really was present before the boom and again, Iím happy we had a cost effective source available, it was great timing. Even though this natural gas boom comes with itís own liabilities.

You get the good with the bad on all of it. All these energy sources we rely upon have benefit and detriment problem. Coal, above ground mining disturbs the ground and landscape with potential for pollution during the mining process Ė and it is dirty to burn (by the way they do still mine underground a good bit as well). Natural gas, with the expansion of fracking, we have an abundance of new gas (and oil) sources, but that is countered by earthquakes and drinking water concerns and general pollution concerns Ė cleaner to burn, but still not clean enough for many. Nuclear produces waste which the US still has no long term storage or disposal policy for and then there is the danger of a reactor accidents.

I have no problem with green and renewable sources (although I want as much of the panels, turbines, blades, components in general made in the US) - wind, solar, biomass, wave and tidal. I love seeing windmills. I would certainly rather have that in my neighborhood than a cooling tower or smoke stack. A field of solar panels are pretty damn cool.

But renewable energy, in my area, only generates 3-4%. Iím for an all of the above strategy. I like renewable because of the economic and job potential, plus who doesnít like cleaner energy if you can get it? By the way, why isnít hydro power considered green or renewable? The ďdirtyĒ fact is that the problematic non-rewable fossil and nuclear fuels still by far pull the weight.

Here are some numbers on coal fired power plant closures for what itís worth:

2016-78, 2015-88, 2014-47, 2013-50, 2012-58, 2011-29, 2010-22, 2008-5, 2007-3, 2006-3, 2002-7, 1995-3, 1986-2
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Coal_plant_retirements#Table_2:_Coal_p lant_retirements_and_conversions_through_2016

I know you could post links and stories reinforcing the point that regulations are not driving the decline in the coal industry, Iíve read some of them. Iím not saying it is the only thing going on. Here is a link, which includes some data and charts from the EIA on the effect the Clean Power Plan could have on coal.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/judeclemente/2016/11/28/natural-gas-prices-and- coal-under-the-clean-power-plan/#340bfdfc6c5f

So, in light of examples contained in the Forbes story - to imply that Trump or regulations can't have an impact that isn't true. CPP is a regulation that could play a large role if those examples are to be believed.

And now we have an indepth presentation on coal in a golfer thread!

 

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  posted on 3/17/2017 at 08:35 PM
Just wondering where all the outrage is from the Republicans. They loved criticizing Obama for how much golf he played. Over Obama's 8 years he played an average of 38 rounds of golf a year. Trump has played 9 rounds in his first 7 weeks. Why aren't the Republicans outraged? And Trump criticised Obama for all the golfing - hmmm, seeing a double standard here.
 

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  posted on 3/18/2017 at 12:28 AM
I don't care about the golf necessarily, but I do care about the travel and security expenses this President is racking up.
 

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What we're paying for his travel & security, as well as security for his NY residence / business, as well as for his kids to do private business & party around the world is astounding.

Just a small % of those funds could pay a considerable amount for Meals On Wheels, cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay and other environmental issues, insurance for those who need assistance, etc. But in the Trump budget those items are not high priority items.

Now this is a critical item & worthy of taxpayer funding.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eric-trump-business-trip-u ruguay-taxpayers-cost-business-interests-president-donald-trump-a7562456.ht ml

 

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What we're paying for his travel & security, as well as security for his NY residence / business, as well as for his kids to do private business & party around the world is astounding.

Just a small % of those funds could pay a considerable amount for Meals On Wheels, cleaning up the Chesapeake Bay and other environmental issues, insurance for those who need assistance, etc. But in the Trump budget those items are not high priority items.

Now this is a critical item & worthy of taxpayer funding.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eric-trump-business-trip-u ruguay-taxpayers-cost-business-interests-president-donald-trump-a7562456.ht ml


It seems that widespread criticism of the travel and security expenses have been lost in reporting of other numerous controversies. I personally think that the sum of these costs is something that should rank very high by both opponents and supporters questioning the President...I mean assuming we have 4 years of President Trump these costs are just going to be staggering. What was reported before, maybe this thread or elsewhere, that one year of Trump costs could be as much or more than four years of Obama. I'll say it again, the family of the President deserves protection, but there must be a way for the Trump organization to reimburse federal coffers for when the children travel on Trump business matters. And I can't believe Trump isn't aware of the cost his frequent weekend trips are costing in light of his criticism for Obama vacation expenses. Think of the good will he could get by coming out and saying he was going to somehow pay back some of the security costs? But he won't do that. It will just remain another cloud that hangs over him, one that up to this point remains under reported.

 

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  posted on 3/18/2017 at 10:09 AM
Agreed, nebish, cutting "costs", which also means services and jobs, is hollow when the one making the cuts is burning through just as much public cash for his own R&R. The local news here in South Florida has a traffic report of sorts every weekend he comes to West Palm. I was going to head up there this weekend to hit a vintage guitar shop, but scrapped those plans once I heard he was in town. Other than one guy I talked to who likes watching the varied air traffic when he's at his resort (which is bound to wear out its novelty), I know I'm not the only one who avoids the area on those weekends.

 

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Agreed, nebish, cutting "costs", which also means services and jobs, is hollow when the one making the cuts is burning through just as much public cash for his own R&R. The local news here in South Florida has a traffic report of sorts every weekend he comes to West Palm. I was going to head up there this weekend to hit a vintage guitar shop, but scrapped those plans once I heard he was in town. Other than one guy I talked to who likes watching the varied air traffic when he's at his resort (which is bound to wear out its novelty), I know I'm not the only one who avoids the area on those weekends.


It would be interesting to see if there are any stats on cost benefit to your area based upon the Traveler In Chief.

I did see a stat on CNN that travel into the USA is down about 6.5% since his rhetoric. Just goes to show he's good for business. I realize the stat comes from Trump's favorite fake news target & also would be more credible if it came from his favorite channel, FOX.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/10/news/companies/travel-ban-tourism/



 

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His trips are also crippling businesses in Palm Beach.

Not to mention the huge cost to the county for police overtime.

 

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His trips are also crippling businesses in Palm Beach.

Not to mention the huge cost to the county for police overtime.


For himself, for his family, and to advance his businesses, he believes in "use other peoples' money". Let me add that he's doing a great job of taking advantage of this. He will break all records in no time at all.

 

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Let's not forget that when the Secret Service needs rooms at his little club the US government is PAYING trump's business for the rooms.

trump is personally profiting from his vacations.

Same goes for "protecting" the first (illegal immigrant) "lady".

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I don't catch the Spicer press conferences every day, but did hear a few minutes of it yesterday. He got some questions on the golf and the travel costs. Not surprisingly he deflected "all Presidents travel". Nonissue for him and the White House. It is a nonissue. The press needs to continue to inquire and keep a tally of the costs and hang it over the President's head.

Maybe I can find the transcript.


 

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On golfing, unfortunately a soft followup on it:

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Q Thanks, Sean. On a slightly different topic: In his first eight weeks in office, President Trump has made at least 10 trips to the golf course. He regularly used to criticize President Obama for spending time on the course. How is his golf game any different?

MR. SPICER: Well, I think two things. One is, you saw him utilize this as an opportunity with Prime Minister Abe to help foster deeper relationships in Southeast Asia -- in Asia, rather -- and have a growing relationship that's going to help U.S. interests. How you use the game of golf is something that he has talked about.

Secondly, we went down to -- he had a mini Cabinet meeting the other day down -- or two weekends ago, down at his club in Virginia. And I remember so many people jumping to the conclusion that heís going down and playing golf. Just because you go somewhere doesnít necessarily mean that you did that. So on a couple of occasions, heís actually conducted meetings there, he's actually had phone calls. So just because he heads there doesnít mean that that's what's happening.

Q I know he did meet with Prime Minister Abe on the course, but we're not getting a lot of details on other high-level meetings that are taking place. If he is having these productive meetings on the course, why isnít the President and his aides being a little more forthcoming about what he's doing?

MR. SPICER: It's the same reason that he can have dinner or lunch with somebody and not -- because I think the President is entitled to a bit of privacy at some point, which is what we've always agreed to. We bring the protective pool to be there, but the President is also entitled to a bit of privacy as well.


Travel expenses:

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Q Given the talk last week about the budget, the priorities for the American tax dollars, the need to cut programs like -- or make cuts to programs like Meals on Wheels, is the President going to consider curbing some of his trips to Mar-a-Lago that the GAO estimates could cost $3 million for the President to Palm Beach? Is he planning to cut those back at all given his feelings about the priorities for the Americans' tax dollars?

MR. SPICER: I think that is a vast reach to suggest -- I mean, Presidents always travel. And I think the President, wherever he goes, he carries the apparatus of the White House with us. That is just something that happens. The President will continue to go and travel around the country and have meetings to solve the nation's problems.

And again, I think just -- because I know you took a little bit of a shot there, I think even The Washington Post, which is no friend to conservatives, even they sided with us that these false sort of narratives on Meals on Wheels -- itís not a federal program. Three percent of their total budget comes from a block grant thatís passed through there. Itís a state-run program. They had apparently a phenomenal weekend this week.

I get that thatís a cute program to point at, but it's false and misleading to try to make that narrative stick.

Q So to your point that all Presidents travel, no President has traveled so often and so early to their own private residence.

MR. SPICER: President Bush went to Crawford.

Q Not this often and --

MR. SPICER: I get it, I get it. But at the same time, the President is -- very clearly that heís worked seven days a week. This is where he goes to see his family. He brings people down there. This is part of being President.

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 12:10 PM
How about the cost of 100 Secret Service agents to guard the trump "childrens'" ski outing last weekend???

 

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  posted on 3/21/2017 at 03:03 PM
Still waiting for those critical of Obama's golfing to come on and criticize Trump for all his travel. I remember we had quite a few posters do that. Where is alloak anyway?
 
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