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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 06:24 PM
Decided to make it's own thread. From the campaign trail, the inaugural address to executive order canceling TPP (would've failed to pass Congress anyway). There are meetings scheduled with Canada and Mexico, NAFTA will be up for renegotiation. That came out today.

Trump met with 12 CEOs this morning before meeting with several union leaders later in the day.

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“If you go to another country” and cut U.S. jobs “we are going to be imposing a very major border tax” on that product, he told the executives.


The other side of the equation is Trump is hoping to cut regulatory costs and taxes these businesses are subjected to.

Dow CEO said:

quote:
"I would take the president at his word here: He’s not going to do anything to harm competitiveness," Liveris said. "He’s going to actually make us all more competitive."


Link - https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-23/trump-said-to-meet-w ith-dow-ceo-liveris-labor-leaders-on-monday

I was listening to Thom Hartman today during the meeting Trump was having with business CEOs and Thom was going on about "he isn't going to do anything against these people's interests. The Republican party is the arm that these people use to secure their profits and position...where are the unions, notice they weren't part of the meeting. No surprise because Republicans do not represent the goals of union workers - Please allow my paraphrasing there.

Then wouldn't you know, later in the day a meeting with a hose of union leaders at the White House. Unfortunately I wasn't able to hear Thom's reaction to that. The meeting was publicized this morning..imagine Hartman doesn't follow Trump's schedule too closely though.

Imagine that...a Republican President calling leaders of various labor unions to the White House.

 
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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 06:26 PM
Will trump stop having his products made overseas?
 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 06:27 PM
Please feel free to post anything in here, something you found that was made in USA, something you wish was USA. Pricing differences, etc. Anything. I virtually live my life searching out made in USA items and know that alot of things can be found and I personally find it very rewarding when you don't think you can find it and then you do.

Or the thread can be used for political trade talk also. Jobs, trade history, etc.

But I have a special photo for Bhawk...look what a trip to Target showed up today?



But yeah, sometimes buying American costs more. These were $1.49 compared to the $.75 China garlic your store had.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 06:32 PM
Mexico will not renegotiate nafta http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-37945913
And they are NOT paying for any f#cking wall.

 

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Mexico will not renegotiate nafta http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-37945913
And they are NOT paying for any f#cking wall.



Well, yeah because they stand to lose...alot.

Thank you for that link. I take serious exception with one thing however:

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The Congressional Research Service, which provides independent analysis, said in 2015: "In reality, Nafta did not cause the huge job losses feared by the critics or the large economic gains predicted by supporters." It also said: "The net overall effect of Nafta on the US economy appears to have been relatively modest, primarily because trade with Canada and Mexico accounts for a small percentage of US GDP."


Countless sources can be provided that state otherwise.

As to the wall...I always thought that Mexico would never pay for it directly and that an import tariff would in fact be the funding to build it. Trump has never said that though. The fact that he so emphatically said Mexico would pay for it and then said now "they will pay us back" is clearly a broken promise unless he somehow gets it paid for indirectly with a tariff on Mexican goods coming in.

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Will trump stop having his products made overseas?


He most certainly should have done that long ago.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 08:33 PM
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Mexico will not renegotiate nafta http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-37945913
And they are NOT paying for any f#cking wall.


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Wrong again numbnuts.

Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto said that he will visit President Trump soon along with the Canadia PM to discuss the renegotiation of NAFTA.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 08:34 PM
RIP TPP

President Trump protects U.S. businesses and workers and voids any and all TPP.
It is done.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 09:57 PM
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RIP TPP

President Trump protects U.S. businesses and workers and voids any and all TPP.
It is done.

You were for the TPP 18 months ago, and told us it was passed back then???

 

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i still withhold judgement for results.....which will take months to see

 

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Changing trade law, a bipartisan issue! I sometimes wonder if Trump will have more Democrats or Republicans supporting him on trade renegotiation?

Sherrod Brown is not only one of my Senators, but was also a very strong supporter of Hillary Clinton in Ohio and at one time was rumored to be a VP candidate for her.

From Brown's website:

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Today’s Action is Among Series of Steps Brown Outlined to Retool U.S. Trade Policy
Monday, January 23, 2017

WASHINGTON, D.C. – After more than 30 years of fighting for a fair trade agenda that puts American workers first, U.S. Sen. Sherrod Brown (D-OH) is applauding President Donald Trump’s executive order withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP). Brown reached out to Trump immediately following the election, offering to work with the President to renegotiate NAFTA and outlining specific steps Trump should take to fulfill his campaign promises on trade. Trump responded with a hand-written note.

“Throwing out TPP is the first necessary step in overhauling our trade policy to put American workers first,” said Brown. “I stand ready to support Ohio workers by working with the Trump Administration to renegotiate NAFTA, put American workers ahead of corporate profits, and create jobs.”

As a long-time advocate for fair trade, Brown has stood up to presidents of both parties against shortsighted trade agreements that ship U.S. jobs overseas. He led the bipartisan opposition to NAFTA in 1993 – as a freshman in the U.S. House of Representatives – and to CAFTA in 2005. He has been the leading opponent of TPP for several years and led opposition against fast-track authority in the Senate, which would have made it easier for Congress to approve TPP and other massive trade deals with limited debate.
https://www.brown.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/brown-applauds-executiv e-action-on-tpp-after-decades-fighting-for-fair-trade


 

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There needs to be symmetry in these kinds of agreements. If Trump's style of negotiation is belligerent and his only goal is to enforce US interests, then he could force Mexico to accept conditions that impose hardship on its citizens. Trump's style of squeezing someone to get the best deal may not be in the best US interest.

Right now Mexico has turned over large amounts of land that used to be devoted to subsistence agriculture to cash cropping and these products are exported to the US and Canada. What if this land was turned back to subsistence cropping for the Mexican market and Mexican products disappeared from US stores? What would this do to the average household grocery budget? Food costs could easily increase 50% which would be devastating for low income Americans.

Mexico has also stepped up security on its southern border and this has stopped the flow of Central Americans coming to the US. The majority of illegals in the US with criminal records are Central Americans. Obama has been deporting them and Trump wants to continue deporting them. The problem is that they have not just accepted their fate and gotten jobs, mainly because there are no jobs and many don't speak Spanish. Instead they join gangs and these are very large violent gangs. If Mexico provides Central Americans an open route back to the US many of them would come back. A wall is not going to stop them from coming back to the US where the authorities would have to chase them down again. This pattern could get very expensive.

What about the drug cartels in northern Mexico? If any trade deal displaces laborers in central Mexico then more will join the labor hungry drug gangs. More labor means more tunnels and more drugs crossing the border. This will require more border surveillance and security. It will be even more difficult to control if Central Americans are employed as mules.

Renegotiating NAFTA is a lot more complicated than slapping tariffs on products and getting jobs back to the US. Destabilizing Mexico could have nightmarish consequences in the US.

There is also a big cultural divide between the Trump camp and Mexicans. Trump has figured out how to appeal to blue collar Americans but to do this he had to trash Mexicans. I really doubt Mexicans are going to treat him royally and this will piss him off and then his ego will erupt.

 

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There needs to be symmetry in these kinds of agreements. If Trump's style of negotiation is belligerent and his only goal is to enforce US interests, then he could force Mexico to accept conditions that impose hardship on its citizens. Trump's style of squeezing someone to get the best deal may not be in the best US interest.

Right now Mexico has turned over large amounts of land that used to be devoted to subsistence agriculture to cash cropping and these products are exported to the US and Canada. What if this land was turned back to subsistence cropping for the Mexican market and Mexican products disappeared from US stores? What would this do to the average household grocery budget? Food costs could easily increase 50% which would be devastating for low income Americans.

Mexico has also stepped up security on its southern border and this has stopped the flow of Central Americans coming to the US. The majority of illegals in the US with criminal records are Central Americans. Obama has been deporting them and Trump wants to continue deporting them. The problem is that they have not just accepted their fate and gotten jobs, mainly because there are no jobs and many don't speak Spanish. Instead they join gangs and these are very large violent gangs. If Mexico provides Central Americans an open route back to the US many of them would come back. A wall is not going to stop them from coming back to the US where the authorities would have to chase them down again. This pattern could get very expensive.

What about the drug cartels in northern Mexico? If any trade deal displaces laborers in central Mexico then more will join the labor hungry drug gangs. More labor means more tunnels and more drugs crossing the border. This will require more border surveillance and security. It will be even more difficult to control if Central Americans are employed as mules.

Renegotiating NAFTA is a lot more complicated than slapping tariffs on products and getting jobs back to the US. Destabilizing Mexico could have nightmarish consequences in the US.

There is also a big cultural divide between the Trump camp and Mexicans. Trump has figured out how to appeal to blue collar Americans but to do this he had to trash Mexicans. I really doubt Mexicans are going to treat him royally and this will piss him off and then his ego will erupt.



Good points Swifty. As I said, Mexico has a lot to lose, I do have a hard time seeing what Trump could give them that would leave them with a favorable feeling on a new NAFTA. Canada on the other hand, I've read there are things that they would like modernized and updated which would favor them more in certain ways than it does now, and depending what is negotiated on the other end that might be a win-win perhaps.

I think we need to be careful when predicting both winning and losing scenarios coming out of a renegotiated or trade with Mexico involving tariffs simply because most of which we were told leading up to the passage of NAFTA has not taken root, or in fact the opposite happened. Speaking to illegal immigration, NAFTA was seen as a way to boost the economy in Mexico and stem illegal immigration flows from their country. But the opposite happened, illegal immigration from Mexico soared.

Lately, it has been my understanding that there were more Central Americans coming into our country illegally than Mexicans, certainly not stopped it. I'd be happy to read something supporting your claim that Central American illegal immigration to the US has "stopped".

Quickly I just found this from fall 2016

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For the second time in three years, the U.S. Border Patrol is apprehending more non-Mexicans than Mexicans along the southwest border, reflecting a renewed surge of Central American migrants fleeing violence and gang warfare in their home countries.


And

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Through August of this year, there were a total of 369,411 apprehensions on the U.S.-Mexico border. More than half of those were of non-Mexicans, the statistics show. As of July, the border patrol had apprehended 57,344 people from El Salvador, 58,337 from Guatemala and 41,042 from Honduras compared to 160,193 from Mexico.

Apprehensions of non-Mexicans first outnumbered those from Mexico in 2014, according to an analysis by the Pew Research Center. Faye Hipsman, policy analyst at the Migration Policy Institute in Washington, D.C., says the trend isn’t fading.


link - https://www.texastribune.org/2016/09/15/central-american-illegal-immigratio n-us-border-loo/

I agree it is a very complicated issue and you raise points that many may not be considering, all things need considered. My position on the complicated nature of it is that so many US and foreign companies have invested and positioned themselves to export goods from Mexico into the US that really anything would have to be phased in because drastic shock to the system really could have a detrimental effect on both countries.

Trump's focus may just be on new investments and new production. So then any new construction of plants or expansion at existing plants would have to be done in the US or they face that border tax. That seems like a much easier issue to grapple with, although from my point of view it wouldn't be ideal, however it may satisfy some of your concerns while also balancing the needs of large companies like the auto industry and their supporting businesses.

[Edited on 1/24/2017 by nebish]

 

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  posted on 1/24/2017 at 09:46 AM
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RIP TPP

President Trump protects U.S. businesses and workers and voids any and all TPP.
It is done.

You were for the TPP 18 months ago, and told us it was passed back then???

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Wrong again son.
I never supported and actively posted against the TPP piece of crap.
Now of course, Hillary Clinton was all for TPP and called it "the gold standard" until she was running for President. Donald Trump campaigned against TPP and enjoyed the support of the Unions.
Hillary immediately changed her position.

Try to keep up pops.


 

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  posted on 1/24/2017 at 12:45 PM
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RIP TPP

President Trump protects U.S. businesses and workers and voids any and all TPP.
It is done.



Actually Congress never ratified the treaty and thus it has never been in effect. His recent executive order was redundant and so he killed an already dead horse....Unless Congress wants to ratify it...But it's a good photo opt. for his supporters who don't understand the nuances of trade agreements and how they're ratified. I wonder if any of these folks visit this forum?

[Edited on 1/24/2017 by Chain]

[Edited on 1/24/2017 by Chain]

 

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quote:
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RIP TPP

President Trump protects U.S. businesses and workers and voids any and all TPP.
It is done.



Actually Congress never ratified the treaty and thus it has never been in effect. His recent executive order was redundant and so he killed an already dead horse....Unless Congress wants to ratify it...But it's a good photo opt. for his supporters who don't understand the nuances of trade agreements and how they're ratified. I wonder if any of these folks visit this forum?

[Edited on 1/24/2017 by Chain]

[Edited on 1/24/2017 by Chain]

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Congress will never see the "treaty" now that it is dead.
The Union Leadership is very happy the TPP piece of crap is dead too:

UNION LEADERS APPLAUD PRESIDENT TRUMP During Meeting at White House (VIDEO)
Trump told the union leaders the US withdrew from TPP and they all cheered and applauded him.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/01/union-leaders-applaud-president-tr ump-meeting-white-house-video/



 

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Union leaders and their members are even happier today:

• Two orders reviving the Keystone XL pipeline and Dakota Access piplines. He also signed three other related orders that would: expedite the environmental permitting process for infrastructure projects related to the pipelines; direct the Commerce Department to streamline the manufacturing permitting process; and give the Commerce Department 180 days to maximize the use of U.S. steel in the pipeline.

 

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  posted on 1/24/2017 at 03:17 PM
quote:
quote:
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RIP TPP

President Trump protects U.S. businesses and workers and voids any and all TPP.
It is done.

You were for the TPP 18 months ago, and told us it was passed back then???

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Wrong again son.
I never supported and actively posted against the TPP piece of crap.
Now of course, Hillary Clinton was all for TPP and called it "the gold standard" until she was running for President. Donald Trump campaigned against TPP and enjoyed the support of the Unions.
Hillary immediately changed her position.

Try to keep up pops.


Read your own posts, you lying imbicile http://www.allmanbrothers.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&fi le=viewthread&tid=139329#pid3151418

 

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quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
RIP TPP

President Trump protects U.S. businesses and workers and voids any and all TPP.
It is done.

You were for the TPP 18 months ago, and told us it was passed back then???

___________________________________________________________________________ ___________

Wrong again son.
I never supported and actively posted against the TPP piece of crap.
Now of course, Hillary Clinton was all for TPP and called it "the gold standard" until she was running for President. Donald Trump campaigned against TPP and enjoyed the support of the Unions.
Hillary immediately changed her position.

Try to keep up pops.


Read your own posts, you lying imbicile http://www.allmanbrothers.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&fi le=viewthread&tid=139329#pid3151418

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You really are a f'n idiot.
Read my post. I was just noting that fast-track had been enabled. I did not and have never posted any support for TPP.

I see your public school education failed to teach you to read.
That is okay. The Democrats need as many idiots as they can get.

 

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quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
RIP TPP

President Trump protects U.S. businesses and workers and voids any and all TPP.
It is done.

You were for the TPP 18 months ago, and told us it was passed back then???

___________________________________________________________________________ ___________

Wrong again son.
I never supported and actively posted against the TPP piece of crap.
Now of course, Hillary Clinton was all for TPP and called it "the gold standard" until she was running for President. Donald Trump campaigned against TPP and enjoyed the support of the Unions.
Hillary immediately changed her position.

Try to keep up pops.


Read your own posts, you lying imbicile http://www.allmanbrothers.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&fi le=viewthread&tid=139329#pid3151418

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You really are a f'n idiot.
Read my post. I was just noting that fast-track had been enabled. I did not and have never posted any support for TPP.

I see your public school education failed to teach you to read.
That is okay. The Democrats need as many idiots as they can get.

I resurrected the thread, your ignorance is on full display for all to see.

 

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quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
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RIP TPP

President Trump protects U.S. businesses and workers and voids any and all TPP.
It is done.

You were for the TPP 18 months ago, and told us it was passed back then???

___________________________________________________________________________ ___________

Wrong again son.
I never supported and actively posted against the TPP piece of crap.
Now of course, Hillary Clinton was all for TPP and called it "the gold standard" until she was running for President. Donald Trump campaigned against TPP and enjoyed the support of the Unions.
Hillary immediately changed her position.

Try to keep up pops.


Read your own posts, you lying imbicile http://www.allmanbrothers.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&fi le=viewthread&tid=139329#pid3151418

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You really are a f'n idiot.
Read my post. I was just noting that fast-track had been enabled. I did not and have never posted any support for TPP.

I see your public school education failed to teach you to read.
That is okay. The Democrats need as many idiots as they can get.

I resurrected the thread, your ignorance is on full display for all to see.

___________________________________________________________________________ __________

Where in that post did I express any support for the TPP?
Come on dumba$$, where?

 

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quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
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RIP TPP

President Trump protects U.S. businesses and workers and voids any and all TPP.
It is done.

You were for the TPP 18 months ago, and told us it was passed back then???

___________________________________________________________________________ ___________

Wrong again son.
I never supported and actively posted against the TPP piece of crap.
Now of course, Hillary Clinton was all for TPP and called it "the gold standard" until she was running for President. Donald Trump campaigned against TPP and enjoyed the support of the Unions.
Hillary immediately changed her position.

Try to keep up pops.


Read your own posts, you lying imbicile http://www.allmanbrothers.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&fi le=viewthread&tid=139329#pid3151418

___________________________________________________________________________ _________

You really are a f'n idiot.
Read my post. I was just noting that fast-track had been enabled. I did not and have never posted any support for TPP.

I see your public school education failed to teach you to read.
That is okay. The Democrats need as many idiots as they can get.

I resurrected the thread, your ignorance is on full display for all to see.

___________________________________________________________________________ __________

Where in that post did I express any support for the TPP?
Come on dumba$$, where?

Go read your own words, fu@k-wit.

 

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Hopefully you reject fast track authority to the President as well.

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Something that I think is incredibly important that I haven't heard yet...I see the Whirlpool CEO attended yesterday's meeting at the White House.

We can tell these companies that if they outsource production here and lay off US workers, or if they invest in new production outside of our border to bring finished product in for sale, we can tell them if they do that they will face a border tax.

Here is the big BUT

We can't have those rules for US companies and not foreign companies. Home appliances made in South Korea have exploded in the last several years. We can't allow Samsung or LG to enjoy the lower overhead costs (even after shipping) of their country and come in here duty free when we are requiring our companies to stay put or else they get hit with a tariff. So if Whirlpool closed a plant here to build refrigerators in Mexico, Trump is saying they will get hit with a border tax. Yet if LG builds a refrigerator in Korea, they don't get hit with a border tax. That is incredibly unfair to the companies producing in the US and dramatically impacts their competitiveness in the market place. Hopefully more to come on this.

For anyone who doesn't think a tariff works...here's a good example.

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This and subsequent dumping findings against Korea,
Taiwan, and Japan (most recently for 1986-87) resulted
in the imposition of duties on TVs imported from these
countries. Foreign efforts to rescind the duties have failed,
but duties have reportedly sometimes been avoided by
shipping TVs or components to the United States through
third countries.
https://www.princeton.edu/~ota/disk2/1990/9007/900710.PDF



This is still in place. So did you ever wonder why all the name brand flat panel TVs are made in Mexico? Just to be close to the market they are selling in? Yeah, part of it. Sony and Panasonic and JVC and Samsung and LG have all heavily invested in TV manufacturing plants in Mexico and they did this to avoid the tariff that they would've been subjected to if they produced said TVs in Asian countries and sold them in the US.

Companies do take action and invest accordingly in the face of a tariff or duty. I bet we can get big ticket items like appliances and getting more foreign autos made here.

 

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I think we need to be careful when predicting both winning and losing scenarios coming out of a renegotiated or trade with Mexico involving tariffs simply because most of which we were told leading up to the passage of NAFTA has not taken root, or in fact the opposite happened. Speaking to illegal immigration, NAFTA was seen as a way to boost the economy in Mexico and stem illegal immigration flows from their country. But the opposite happened, illegal immigration from Mexico soared.


This is from Wikipedia about the time when NAFTA was introduced.

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Mexico's economy experienced a severe recession as a result of the peso's devaluation and the flight to safer investments. The country's GDP declined by 6.2% over the course of 1995. Mexico's financial sector bore the brunt of the crisis as banks collapsed, revealing low-quality assets and fraudulent lending practices. Thousands of mortgages went into default as Mexican citizens struggled to keep pace with rising interest rates, resulting in widespread repossession of houses.[13][14]

In addition to declining GDP growth, Mexico experienced hyperinflation and extreme poverty skyrocketed as real wages plummeted and unemployment nearly doubled. Prices increased by 35% in 1995. Nominal wages were sustained, but real wages fell by 25-35% over the same year. Unemployment climbed to 7.4% in 1995 from its pre-crisis level of 3.9% in 1994. In the formal sector alone, over one million people lost their jobs and average real wages decreased by 13.5% throughout 1995. Overall household incomes plummeted by 30% in the same year. Mexico's extreme poverty grew to 37% in 1996 from 21% in 1994, undoing the previous ten years of successful poverty reduction initiatives. The nation's poverty levels would not begin returning to normal until 2001.[15]:10


NAFTA gave corporate America access to cheap labor. The very minimal wages were used by many migrants to fund their way to the US. How could this have ever worked in favor of American labor? The whole premise of NAFTA was daft and it had nothing to do with the migrant outcome. What happened was totally predictable. My father-in-law was CEO of a company that had two maquiladoras in Mexico. Believe me this was about making money for corporations. There may have been some rhetoric that if we throw a few pesos at the peasants they will stay home, but this objective was not part of any policy.

What will happen as a result of Trump’s tirade is also totally predictable.

On the Central America issue

I said “Mexico has also stepped up security on its southern border and this has stopped the flow of Central Americans coming to the US.”

quote:
“Mexico has a lot of chips to play,” said Jorge Castañeda, a former foreign secretary who has staked out a combative approach.

Let Mr. Trump pull the United States out of Nafta, he argues. Instead of stopping Central American migrants at its southern border, Mexico should let them through on their way to the United States. “And let’s see if his wall keeps the terrorists out, because we won’t,” Mr. Castañeda added.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/business/economy/nafta-mexico-free-trade.html " target=_blank> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/24/business/economy/nafta-mexico-free-trade .html

You didn’t understand the point I was making. There is no way to stop migrants but one can stop the flow. Mexico simply tried to stop the flow by reducing the number of migrants. They monitored the trains that took Central Americans north. But through graft people do get through.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/04/mexico-torture-migrants-citiz ens-central-america

From today’s Washington Post which reiterates my point.

quote:
Outside of the economic realm, Mexico also has plenty of cards to play in negotiations with Trump. Last year, Mexico deported nearly 150,000 migrants bound for the United States, most of them from Central America. Without this cooperation, officials predict that the number of migrants turning up at the U.S. border could double.

“He has the Central American card, which he has mentioned, and it’s a very powerful card,” former foreign minister Jorge Castañeda said of Peña Nieto.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/in-fight-with-trump-mexico-has-plenty-of-ways-to-punch-back/2017/01/28/07d57d58-e4d0-11e6-a419-eefe8eff0835_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_mexico-645pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.703ed1ec6334 " target=_blank> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/in-fight-with-trump-mexic o-has-plenty-of-ways-to-punch-back/2017/01/28/07d57d58-e4d0-11e6-a419-eefe8 eff0835_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_mexico-645pm%3Ahomepage%2Fst ory&utm_term=.703ed1ec6334

 
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