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  posted on 1/22/2017 at 10:19 PM
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I disagree with Bhawk in one sense. Trolls know what they are doing. I just think you don't have the capacity to know any better.


Well...that's not fair, really. Redfish7 hasn't been posting in the WP long enough to make a conclusion like that. Benefit of the doubt still in clear play from my chair.


Haha...I missed this earlier. So...what kind of time frame are we looking at here?...just so I will know when my "benefit of the doubt" trial period runs out? And what metric are we using...calendar days or number of posts?

So far...I'm up to dishonest, troll, lazy and narrow minded.




I thought BB was getting too close to insulting you and said so. How you interpret that is up to you.


I was actually trying to mess with you...joke around a little...hence the smiley/wink face. I know we've taken some jabs at each other, but it's all good.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2017 at 10:23 PM
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I'm pretty sure both Democrats and Republicans agreed that taxes would pay for those things.


And I suppose the belief/presupposition that involuntary taxation should be used to pay for those things is not a political ideology? Anarcho-capitalists, voluntaryists, some schools of libertarianism, and many others would heartily disagree.

So even your most basic assumption about how society should operate is based on a political ideology.




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Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States


Which ideology is that, label-wise, do you think? What should we call it?


I have no idea. Republicanism, maybe? What difference does it matter what the label is?

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 08:56 AM
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It was reported on the news yesterday...lots of vulgar speech, lewd content and pictures on signs (some of it of a sexual nature), women dressed like vaginas, signs with "F**k Trump", people spitting on people, Madonna talking about blowing up the white house, etc...not a great environment for children or young people.


"Reported on the news", I'll assume was some hack with an agenda, not an actual reporter, unless you have something. If those actions are so vulgar, why elect Trump as President who behaved the same way?

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 09:06 AM
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It was reported on the news yesterday...lots of vulgar speech, lewd content and pictures on signs (some of it of a sexual nature), women dressed like vaginas, signs with "F**k Trump", people spitting on people, Madonna talking about blowing up the white house, etc...not a great environment for children or young people.


I have friends who marched in NYC, DC, LA, Chicago, and they all said it was peaceful. Many brought their kids, and it was a completely positive experience of activism. No one spitting or talking about attacking anything, it was a show of unity of a lot of people who aren't offended by women's body parts against a President they strongly disagree with.

 

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  posted on 1/23/2017 at 10:39 AM
Day 4....Suit filed against Trump for ethics violations....that didn't take long

Redfish after your "are they butt hurt" comment I clearly understand how the disgusting things Trump says didn't bother you...and how you could possibly vote for him

That's the exact kind of talk that is disgusting....get it???

That protest was world wide not just here at home....Open your eyes

As far as the ACA....before the ACA my wife couldn't get insurance because she is type II diabetic....See before the only people who could get insurance had to have nothing wrong with them...

I guess that doesn't both you because you had to pay less....pretty phucking selfish...but that is the Republican way...if it doesn't directly effect me its not an issue

 

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  posted on 1/24/2017 at 08:28 PM
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It was reported on the news yesterday...lots of vulgar speech, lewd content and pictures on signs (some of it of a sexual nature), women dressed like vaginas, signs with "F**k Trump", people spitting on people, Madonna talking about blowing up the white house, etc...not a great environment for children or young people.


"Reported on the news", I'll assume was some hack with an agenda, not an actual reporter, unless you have something. If those actions are so vulgar, why elect Trump as President who behaved the same way?


No, it was actual reporters on the major networks…and not just one reporter, or one news show. Did these reporters have an agenda? Well, of course…don’t all reporters and news outlets have an agenda?

And your last sentence is exactly the point I was making…just using the reverse logic. If Trump behaved like that…and that’s supposedly why they are so offended…then it’s hypocritical for them to behave the same way.

 

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  posted on 1/24/2017 at 08:31 PM
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It was reported on the news yesterday...lots of vulgar speech, lewd content and pictures on signs (some of it of a sexual nature), women dressed like vaginas, signs with "F**k Trump", people spitting on people, Madonna talking about blowing up the white house, etc...not a great environment for children or young people.


I have friends who marched in NYC, DC, LA, Chicago, and they all said it was peaceful. Many brought their kids, and it was a completely positive experience of activism. No one spitting or talking about attacking anything, it was a show of unity of a lot of people who aren't offended by women's body parts against a President they strongly disagree with.


It’s great that your friends had a positive experience, but the fact that your friends didn’t happen to see any of the stuff being reported on the news is hardly evidence that it didn’t happen. I’m sure not everyone at the inauguration witnessed a limo and trash cans being burned either? Does that mean it didn’t happen?

And no comments on the Ashley Judd meltdown?…Trump is Hitler, his cabinet is a bunch of Nazis, he has wet dreams about his daughter, blood on the sheets, the prison system is a form of slavery, etc.…what a raving lunatic (or poet in this case)…makes Bocephus look like a saint. And Madonna’s fantasies about blowing up the white house? Yep…that sure is some classy celebrity gals they got to be the face of the march. And they think Trump is vulgar and full of hate?

 

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  posted on 1/24/2017 at 08:38 PM
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Day 4....Suit filed against Trump for ethics violations....that didn't take long

Redfish after your "are they butt hurt" comment I clearly understand how the disgusting things Trump says didn't bother you...and how you could possibly vote for him

That's the exact kind of talk that is disgusting....get it???

That protest was world wide not just here at home....Open your eyes

As far as the ACA....before the ACA my wife couldn't get insurance because she is type II diabetic....See before the only people who could get insurance had to have nothing wrong with them...

I guess that doesn't both you because you had to pay less....pretty phucking selfish...but that is the Republican way...if it doesn't directly effect me its not an issue


Didn’t vote for Trump. Not a Republican. Don’t consider myself a selfish person. My sister is an unemployed widow raising a daughter, and she could not even afford the ACA premiums…I thought it was supposed to be “affordable” for folks just like my sister...but then again, I also thought I could keep my policy if I liked my policy. And I never said that it didn’t help anyone. I was just sharing my personal experience with it. I guess it’s helped some folks, and hurt lots of others...and in some cases it's not even helped the people that you would think that it should help (like my sister).

 

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  posted on 2/10/2017 at 06:13 PM
Please sign this petition to impeach Trump

https://impeachdonaldtrumpnow.org/thank-you/?key=42056317

The wheels are turning

 

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  posted on 2/12/2017 at 08:22 PM
I like the Dead Kennedys. I like views that are not the same as my own. It's all about presentation and the delivery of the argument for me. That is why I listen to different points of view on talk radio and that is why I enjoy engaging in these forums and why I like politically charged music that is artfully crafted.

I don't know who would be calling for "extermination" of Trump opponents. Again another pretty radical view you've posted. I'd like to think it is done with sarcasm, but maybe you really feel that way.

Surely there are people on the right who despise the left and those on the left who despise the right, but anyone from any side who might justify death of their political opponents, to the extent people like that exist we must be talking about a sliver of a percentage of people.

You and I may not agree on a host of issues, but rest assured I would have you in my home or buy you a drink and allow you to express yourself as know you would of me. I just try to draw a very visible and distinct line between the very small group of people you speak of and other people, like myself and I suspect others here who voted for the President and support some of his agenda items, but do not wish his opponents any harm. I hope you do not wish me harm in return for feeling different than you on foreign policy, immigration, taxes, etc.

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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 12:13 AM
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What's with this "extreme view" thing you keep on about?


I think that wanting Mexico to become a state, to open the border, to reach a settlement in back pay and benefits for illegal workers...now Trump supporters would applaud open warfare, even extermination, of their opponents.

Sounds extreme to me.

I guess you not wanting to sign a petition to impeach the President for fear of putting your name out there is kind of like people not wanting a national gun registry with their name and location of listed guns for fear of the government coming to get them. In that, you have something in common, fear of the government, fear on one had that government would someday confiscate firearms and on the other hand fear the government might exterminate dissenters. I don't know, sounds extreme. But different perspectives lead to different feelings.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 01:03 AM
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Goldtop - quite honestly I think that could be signing my own death warrant. Anyone who signs that will call the Nazgul upon themselves. It is entirely possible that they are gathering up voting records, ostensibly for popular vote recount, to compile a database of undesirables.

Hemp's Bannon thread pretty much nails it.

As Jello Biafra said so long ago: It is "Bedtime for Democracy".


I signed it and I don't care that they know...In fact I want Trump to fully understand that I think he is disgusting .....I'd have no problem telling Mr Trump exactly how I feel about him to his face...

 

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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 09:09 AM
I think we are getting very close to starting Impeachment hearings. Trump better slow down and figure out how the office of the Presidency works or he will be out the door by the end of the year.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 10:23 AM
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I think we are getting very close to starting Impeachment hearings. Trump better slow down and figure out how the office of the Presidency works or he will be out the door by the end of the year.


On what charge? By the current GOP? Impeachment charges come from the House.

 

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i just said "very close". they are walking right up to the line with their rhetoric but so far not with their actions. if they start ignoring court orders that would be one way. emoluments clause might be another. if proof of colusion with the russians is found, there is another. we'll just have to wait and see bhawk.

 

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In that, you have something in common, fear of the government, fear on one had that government would someday confiscate firearms and on the other hand fear the government might exterminate dissenters. I don't know, sounds extreme. But different perspectives lead to different feelings.



The government is made up of people who occupy constant transitive jobs. If human history is a guide, there's a strong chance that someone would come along that oversteps the powers they have been given. Just because someone exhibiting those traits happens to be a guy on your team and therefore they get a longer benefit of the doubt, then that's the ultimate example of party before country, something that has always been around but seems to be getting worse.

I continue to find Trump's consistent attacks on the independent judiciary absolutely terrifying. The President personally attacking Federal judges by name IS EXTREME.

 

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and yes the house is stacked with republicans and impeachment won't come today. but i don't believe he has as much support in the GOP as some think and it is slowly eroding. i believe alot of his support before the election had to do with hating clinton and party loyalty and tea party loyalty. i don't believe trump is a republican and that his support will fall away if he keeps throwing the constitution into the blender. like i said, we'll see.

 

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Is this rhetoric not extreme?

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-what-stephen-miller-said-should-wor ry-everyone-875968067895

 

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and yes the house is stacked with republicans and impeachment won't come today. but i don't believe he has as much support in the GOP as some think and it is slowly eroding. i believe alot of his support before the election had to do with hating clinton and party loyalty and tea party loyalty. i don't believe trump is a republican and that his support will fall away if he keeps throwing the constitution into the blender. like i said, we'll see.


I largely agree...just cynical.

 

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These weekend trips to Mar-A-Lago, profiteering? Who is joining? Who has access? All the employees there...do they all have a security clearance?

 

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Is this rhetoric not extreme?

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-what-stephen-miller-said-should-wor ry-everyone-875968067895


That's not what he meant. He was talking about the funny ha-ha kind of quelling dissent.

 

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  posted on 2/13/2017 at 10:49 AM
Trump and is his supporters are the most insecure people in the history of our country.
 

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These weekend trips to Mar-A-Lago, profiteering? Who is joining? Who has access? All the employees there...do they all have a security clearance?


supposedly he was having national security discussions with Abe at the dinner table with guests present. if classified intelligence was discussed openly.............

(CNN)The iceberg wedge salads, dripping with blue cheese dressing, had just been served on the terrace of Mar-a-Lago Saturday when the call to President Donald Trump came in: North Korea had launched an intermediate-range ballistic missile, its first challenge to international rules since Trump was sworn in three weeks ago.

The launch, which wasn't expected, presented Trump with one of the first breaking national security incidents of his presidency. It also noisily disrupted what was meant to be an easygoing weekend of high-level male bonding with the more sobering aspects of global diplomacy.

Sitting alongside Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, with whom he'd spent most of the day golfing, Trump took the call on a mobile phone at his table, which was set squarely in the middle of the private club's dining area.

As Mar-a-Lago's wealthy members looked on from their tables, and with a keyboard player crooning in the background, Trump and Abe's evening meal quickly morphed into a strategy session, the decision-making on full view to fellow diners, who described it in detail to CNN.

On Saturday evening, as the two men walked through Mar-a-Lago's ornate wrought-iron doors on their way to dinner, neither responded to questions about the launch from reporters.
Swanning through the club's living room and main dining area alongside Abe, Trump was -- as is now typical -- swarmed with paying members, who now view dinner at the club as an opportunity for a few seconds of face time with the new President.

But as he sat down for the planned working dinner with Abe, whose country is well within range of North Korea's missiles, it was clear his counterpart felt it necessary to respond to the test. The launch occurred just before 8 a.m. on Sunday morning in Japan.

Trump's National Security Adviser Michael Flynn and chief strategist Steve Bannon left their seats to huddle closer to Trump as documents were produced and phone calls were placed to officials in Washington and Tokyo.

The patio was lit only with candles and moonlight, so aides used the camera lights on their phones to help the stone-faced Trump and Abe read through the documents.

Even as a flurry of advisers and translators descended upon the table carrying papers and phones for their bosses to consult, dinner itself proceeded apace. Waiters cleared the wedge salads and brought along the main course as Trump and Abe continued consulting with aides.

Eventually Trump and Abe, along with their collection of aides, stood and moved from the dining terrace and toward a marble-trimmed ballroom, whose gilded columns were concealed by more sober-looking black drapes.

[Edited on 2/13/2017 by LeglizHemp]

 

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  posted on 4/20/2019 at 06:20 PM
Just thought I'd revisit this thread....OK...can we impeach him now

 

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  posted on 4/20/2019 at 06:50 PM
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Just thought I'd revisit this thread....OK...can we impeach him now


Regardless of the intent by Trump as detailed in Mueller's Report, the base and GOP enablers in Congress will fall in line and be good little soldiers and parrot Trump's lines referencing the democrat prosecutors bias on the Mueller Team, etc.

My goodness - look how many of Trump's inner circle worked with the Russians and lied about it. What has the presidency come to? And the people's Congress willing to turn their head along with a lackey Attorney General whose words have been disputed by Mueller's Report.

Unless enough of the GOP in Congress step up and show they have values & guts, impeachment is an exercise in futility.

 
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