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  posted on 10/22/2016 at 04:30 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/music/nobel-academy-member-slams-arrogant-dylan-23164 4913.html

Bob has always been somewhat aloof. I say give him a break. Typical Dylan........he gives an explanation from the stage. From the article:

"On the evening of October 13, the day the literature prize winner was announced, Dylan played a concert in Las Vegas during which he just sang his songs and made no comment at all to his fans.

He ended the concert with a version of the Frank Sinatra hit 'Why Try To Change Me Now?', taken to be a nod towards his longstanding aversion to the media."


[Edited on 10/22/2016 by robslob]

 

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  posted on 10/22/2016 at 07:16 AM
Did they expect anything other than aloofness coming from Dylan about this award?

"It's impolite and arrogant" is hardly slamming someone.

Click bait in article headlines are so annoying. Articles rarely are as harsh as what made you click on them.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2016 at 09:46 AM
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Click bait in article headlines are so annoying. Articles rarely are as harsh as what made you click on them.


The word "arrogant" was right there in the title of the article so I'm not sure what you were so annoyed about.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2016 at 10:00 AM
Based on his songs and the Dylan interviews I have read, he seems like a very unique individual with an imagination far stronger and more consuming than your average bear. In other words, he is an artist. Not all, but I get the impression that many gifted artists live in their own world to a degree which is part of what gives them the insights they have and fuels their talents. And by the way, some of them are total self centered a$$holes too. I don't know if Dylan is an a$$hole, but he is a gifted artist and I don't think eccentric behavior should surprise anyone.

With that in mind, I would think an organization that bills itself as the most prestigious award committees on the planet would understand the people they claim to be experts on and are celebrating. Artists are eccentric. You could say Dylan is being impolite. I think that's fair. To say Dylan is arrogant because he is not calling your award committee back? That's a bit presumptuous and, I think, arrogant. How DAAARE he? Maybe he's self conscious? Maybe he's sick? Maybe he doesn't think the Nobel committee has credibility anymore the way they are giving out literature awards to musicians and peace prizes to war criminals? Who knows. Either way, this is supposed to be about appreciating Bob's music, not having him perform at your dinner party.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2016 at 11:28 AM
It is necessary at times to remind self appointed pundits of excellence of the absurdity of those that Don't critiquing those that Do.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2016 at 11:43 AM
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Click bait in article headlines are so annoying. Articles rarely are as harsh as what made you click on them.


The word "arrogant" was right there in the title of the article so I'm not sure what you were so annoyed about.


Yes, as was the word "slams". My comment was "impolite and arrogant is hardly slamming anyone".

I was just saying that most headlines online today don't necessarily match up with the actual tone of the article.

Either way, it wasn't a comment on your post, it was a comment on the editor who created the headline.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2016 at 01:52 PM
People have refused a Nobel Prize before. If Dylan doesn't want it, so be it.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2016 at 03:02 PM
""It's impolite and arrogant" is hardly slamming someone"

LMAO, it's a slam.

I could not care less if Dylan Responds (Maybe someone will take up the Hitler Responds meme and insert Dylan/Nobel content which would be hilarious). It's an award given by others. It's nice and all but what-evs the world goes on if says anything or not.


 

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  posted on 10/22/2016 at 04:20 PM
I guess in 2016 journalism I don't find those words to be as stinging or I'm just numb to what would be considered slamming.

I guess if the target was someone who actually cared about being called arrogant or impolite maybe it would hit harder. It wasn't like they called him a liar or Judas.

To me Dylan response (or lack of response) is exactly what I would expect from him.

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  posted on 10/23/2016 at 12:21 AM
I no longer find that bunch "Nobel" in any way shape or form.
I remember when it used to mean something.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2016 at 10:16 AM
I would think it is safe to say it still means a great deal.


 

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  posted on 10/25/2016 at 01:17 PM
Maybe Dylan sees the Nobel Peace prize for the sham it is . After all Nobel was an armaments manufacturer and the inventor of dynamite. Peace shmeace.
 

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  posted on 10/25/2016 at 02:06 PM
Obama on hosting Dylan at the White House:

"Here's what I love about Dylan: He was exactly as you'd expect he would be. He wouldn't come to the rehearsal; usually, all these guys are practicing before the set in the evening. He didn't want to take a picture with me; usually all the talent is dying to take a picture with me and Michelle before the show, but he didn't show up to that. He came in and played 'The Times They Are A-Changin'.' A beautiful rendition. The guy is so steeped in this stuff that he can just come up with some new arrangement, and the song sounds completely different. Finishes the song, steps off the stage I'm sitting right in the front row comes up, shakes my hand, sort of tips his head, gives me just a little grin, and then leaves. And that was it then he left. That was our only interaction with him. And I thought: That's how you want Bob Dylan, right? You don't want him to be all cheesin' and grinnin' with you. You want him to be a little skeptical about the whole enterprise."

 

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  posted on 10/26/2016 at 08:07 AM
Did they really expect him to show up?

 

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  posted on 10/29/2016 at 10:23 PM
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Obama on hosting Dylan at the White House:

"Here's what I love about Dylan: He was exactly as you'd expect he would be. He wouldn't come to the rehearsal; usually, all these guys are practicing before the set in the evening. He didn't want to take a picture with me; usually all the talent is dying to take a picture with me and Michelle before the show, but he didn't show up to that. He came in and played 'The Times They Are A-Changin'.' A beautiful rendition. The guy is so steeped in this stuff that he can just come up with some new arrangement, and the song sounds completely different. Finishes the song, steps off the stage I'm sitting right in the front row comes up, shakes my hand, sort of tips his head, gives me just a little grin, and then leaves. And that was it then he left. That was our only interaction with him. And I thought: That's how you want Bob Dylan, right? You don't want him to be all cheesin' and grinnin' with you. You want him to be a little skeptical about the whole enterprise."


That is heavy, coming from the Prez! Kinda says it all, doesn't it?

 

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  posted on 10/30/2016 at 05:27 PM
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People have refused a Nobel Prize before. If Dylan doesn't want it, so be it.


Yes, by all means. No one is holding a gun to his head to accept. Sartre had the guts to refuse it. Straight Up.

Common courtesy requires that one RSVP to invitations. Is he really above that? Couldn't we all manage politeness or has that no longer required.? Surely, someone in his orbit could do so on his behalf.

He managed to get the laureate on his website pretty quickly.

 

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  posted on 10/30/2016 at 05:42 PM
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With that in mind, I would think an organization that bills itself as the most prestigious award committees on the planet would understand the people they claim to be experts on and are celebrating.


The organization didn't make the statement. As the topic of the thread reads a MEMBER of the committee expressed his personal opinion and said nothing on behalf of the committee. The organiztation has made it clear they do not share the sentiment expressed.

Would it kill anyone to read an entire sentence never mind an article before pontificating?

 

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  posted on 10/30/2016 at 07:04 PM
BTW I believe he recently responded quite graciously and sweetly via an interview in The Telegraph.
 

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  posted on 10/31/2016 at 05:40 AM
Sole response has been to a British newspaper promoting the opening of his art show in London.

"Absolutely. If at all possible."

Which is it? Absolutely or maybe?

Brilliant wordsmith. Coy? Sly? Arrogant?

 

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  posted on 10/31/2016 at 08:50 AM
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Sole response has been to a British newspaper promoting the opening of his art show in London.


there's a bit more to his response here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/world-exclusive-bob-dylan---ill-b e-at-the-nobel-prize-ceremony-i/


 

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  posted on 10/31/2016 at 02:36 PM
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People have refused a Nobel Prize before. If Dylan doesn't want it, so be it.


Yes, by all means. No one is holding a gun to his head to accept. Sartre had the guts to refuse it. Straight Up.

Common courtesy requires that one RSVP to invitations. Is he really above that? Couldn't we all manage politeness or has that no longer required.? Surely, someone in his orbit could do so on his behalf.

He managed to get the laureate on his website pretty quickly.



Perhaps there was no RSVP date? And perhaps he was overwhelmed. But it didn't take him 6 mos

 

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  posted on 11/16/2016 at 07:11 PM
It seems Bob won't be going to "Maggie's Farm" to pick up his prize.
Maybe Sweden can release their Political Prisoner from the Ecuadorian Embassy instead of giving out prizes.
http://nypost.com/2016/11/16/bob-dylan-wont-be-attending-his-nobel-prize-ce remony/

 

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You guys do realize that Dylan is a nut, don't you? Very strange man and some of his actions just reflect that. His intentions towards this award likely change daily.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2016 at 07:38 AM
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You guys do realize that Dylan is a nut, don't you? Very strange man and some of his actions just reflect that. His intentions towards this award likely change daily.


Dylan knows exactly what he's doing at all times...often messing with people's heads---he enjoys the irony of things and happens to be a very self aware and very funny person.He tends to see the humor in many things and we're taking it so darn seriously...

James,I realize you saw him behave a certain way when you saw him...I wouldn't generalize from a few experiences which occur in particular contexts and apply them to who he might be.

 

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You guys do realize that Dylan is a nut, don't you? Very strange man and some of his actions just reflect that. His intentions towards this award likely change daily.


Dylan knows exactly what he's doing at all times...often messing with people's heads---he enjoys the irony of things and happens to be a very self aware and very funny person.He tends to see the humor in many things and we're taking it so darn seriously...

James,I realize you saw him behave a certain way when you saw him...I wouldn't generalize from a few experiences which occur in particular contexts and apply them to who he might be.


Bob is Bob but I think you let your love get in the way of acknowledging that he is a nut.

We are talking about a guy who will fire someone for making eye contact. Strange behavior. Nothing funny about that. It is just weird. Dealt with many shows and know quite a few who have worked with/for him over the years. Try to communicate with a guy that you are not allowed to look at. LMAO! Some of the stories make me laugh so hard that it brings tears. I would last an hour under those conditions.

I think with actions like that - Bob is the one being too serious.

No knock on him as again that is what you get with Dylan. But you can't expect any reactions from him that would be considered "normal". And those reactions will vary from day to day. That is why his stance on something like the Nobel award will change.

 

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