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  posted on 9/26/2016 at 07:23 PM
You all need to read this in it's entirety, because it can effect you. My Comments later, no not tonight.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2016/09/13/cdc-to-amend- public-health-service-act.aspx?utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_ content=mc1&utm_campaign=20160925Z1&et_cid=DM118175&et_rid=1681 053167

You only have until October 14, 2016, to make a public comment to the CDC and contact your legislators in Congress, so please take this seriously because what the CDC is proposing applies to all Americans who travel outside the country or between states, especially on commercial airlines.
In the future, it could extend to any form of transportation when you cross state lines, including by bus, train or car.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2016 at 07:48 PM
Wow. Fasten your seat belts, America is goin for a ride ! This is the gina I like, thanks for the timely information, will contact my congressman straight away.
 

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  posted on 9/26/2016 at 10:47 PM
Oh, look. More anti-vaxx crap.

 

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Oh look, more pro Big Pharma intrusion on civil liberties crap.
 

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  posted on 9/27/2016 at 12:16 PM
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Oh look, more pro Big Pharma intrusion on civil liberties crap.


Hey, go ahead. Ban vaccines. If a website says so, go for it.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2016 at 01:54 PM
Whatever man, it doesn't help to polarize the issue. It's not about banning vaccines, it's about parents reserving the right to choose for themselves when and what to vaccinate for, instead of mandatory human pincushion by age 2.

If you have kids you have had to deal with the issue, and nobody has the right to challenge your decision.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2016 at 02:19 PM
Anti-Vaxxer Mom Changes Mind After Her Three Kids Fall Ill

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/anti-vaxxer-mom-mind-kids-fall-ill/story?id=42 351543

 

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Whatever man, it doesn't help to polarize the issue. It's not about banning vaccines, it's about parents reserving the right to choose for themselves when and what to vaccinate for, instead of mandatory human pincushion by age 2.

If you have kids you have had to deal with the issue, and nobody has the right to challenge your decision.


Gina has been posting anti-vaxx missives for years now. She's due for her annual flu-shots-are-weapons-of-the-New-World-Order rant any day now.

I do have a kid, and I work in healthcare, and I'm completely comfortable with every decision my wife and I have made. Anti-vaxx is dangerous and picking and choosing which vaccine puts more people in danger, but if people choose to rely on their medical degrees via the University of Google, so be it. Like this article says, what's the big deal about measles or smallpox?

 

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  posted on 9/27/2016 at 02:44 PM
Yes I will call my Congressman in hope that this passes.
 

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  posted on 9/27/2016 at 03:14 PM
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I do have a kid, and I work in healthcare, and I'm completely comfortable with every decision my wife and I have made.


Cool, and nobody has the right to interfere with your decisions, that you and she made based on the best available info.

I have a kid too, and we elected to pass on some vaccines, after weighing options carefully, and in discussion with a competent health care provider. As it turned out, she told us off the record that she didn't automatically give her toddler the entire recommended vaccine schedule. My brother, also a physician, does not go with the full pincushion for his kids either. They both agreed with our opinion that there was not enough known about interfering too radically with a developing immune system.

The question becomes, is there a limit to how many vaccines are included in the schedule? When we were kids there weren't very many, and they were shots for the big bad wolves like smallpox and polio, that kind of thing.

You clearly are comfortable with the idea that there is no such thing as overvaccinating, and are also happy with mandatory compliance.

I am not. The difference between you and I is that I respect your decisions, and you don't respect mine.


 

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I do have a kid, and I work in healthcare, and I'm completely comfortable with every decision my wife and I have made.


Cool, and nobody has the right to interfere with your decisions, that you and she made based on the best available info.

I have a kid too, and we elected to pass on some vaccines, after weighing options carefully, and in discussion with a competent health care provider. As it turned out, she told us off the record that she didn't automatically give her toddler the entire recommended vaccine schedule. My brother, also a physician, does not go with the full pincushion for his kids either. They both agreed with our opinion that there was not enough known about interfering too radically with a developing immune system.

The question becomes, is there a limit to how many vaccines are included in the schedule? When we were kids there weren't very many, and they were shots for the big bad wolves like smallpox and polio, that kind of thing.

You clearly are comfortable with the idea that there is no such thing as overvaccinating, and are also happy with mandatory compliance.

I am not. The difference between you and I is that I respect your decisions, and you don't respect mine.




You're the one had initially had the issue with my first response to the OP, if you're keeping score.

I have no control over what you or anyone else does. If that was your decision, so be it. I'm confident you'll get through today with or without my respect. I've also spoken with more than one pediatrician who have all stated that the developing immune system is bombarded with so many more things on a daily basis that far outnumber every vaccine even if a child was to have them all. We all gather information when it comes to making decisions.

As to the mandatory compliance, are you referring to the mandatory compliance that is implied in the article? Didja catch the part where the mandatory compliance could, maybe, be expanded by an Executive Order? It could happen!

 

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  posted on 9/27/2016 at 03:44 PM
BR, i'm curious, do you tell other parents that your child doesn't have all of their vaccinations? do you think they have a right to know who their child is playing with? is your child in compliance with requirements for school? i think those are 3 valid questions other parents may ask.

btw i have no kids.

 

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  posted on 9/27/2016 at 04:10 PM
Valid questions for sure. I live in Oregon, most of the folks I know aren't so vax-happy as elsewhere in the country, so it isn't such a big deal here. There is conflict over the issue here, but most health-concious and progressive folks regard a healthy immune system as the priority, and vaccines as a backup. An unhealthy person propped up by artificial immunity is going to get cut down by something, regardless of what shots they have.

What always comes up is the "herd immunity" concept, where somehow the vaccinations work better if everyone is vaccinated. Which brings up the question of vaccine efficacy - why should someone be concerned about exposure to a disease they are vaccinated against?

Times have changed, everyone is fearful of everything now. When I was a kid I got the regular few shots everyone got, we lived in Africa and my parents let me run around with local kids who were carrying lord only knows what. I even got bit by a rabid dog, had to get two weeks of rabies shots.

If we are going to get into mandatory health law, I think it would be better to outlaw junk food, make proper nutrition mandatory, and exact legal restrictions on allowing kids to become obese, for example. All easily as, if not more, important than vaccination, yet somehow not in the public health debate.

 

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Sorry, missed your post Bhawk. The mandatory compliance business is getting huge now, as you know. That's not some wild conspiracy thing. I was responding to your generalized comment about banning all vaccines. As I stated in the first line of my post. I think vaccines are great, and I also think the human immune system is great too. I don't think everyone needs to be vaccinated against everything out there. What disturbs me is the constant ratcheting up of the amount of vaccines in the vaccine schedule.
 

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I live in Oregon, most of the folks I know aren't so vax-happy as elsewhere in the country, so it isn't such a big deal here.


"Vax-happy?" Can you further describe this phenomenon?

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What always comes up is the "herd immunity" concept, where somehow the vaccinations work better if everyone is vaccinated. Which brings up the question of vaccine efficacy - why should someone be concerned about exposure to a disease they are vaccinated against?


Why should we willfully increase the chance of exposure in those who haven't been vaccinated yet by those who chose not to be vaccinated at all?

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Times have changed, everyone is fearful of everything now.


Times do change. Viruses mutate, too.

 

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Sorry, missed your post Bhawk. The mandatory compliance business is getting huge now, as you know. That's not some wild conspiracy thing. I was responding to your generalized comment about banning all vaccines. As I stated in the first line of my post. I think vaccines are great, and I also think the human immune system is great too. I don't think everyone needs to be vaccinated against everything out there. What disturbs me is the constant ratcheting up of the amount of vaccines in the vaccine schedule.


No problem, we were probably talking past each other a bit.

The generalized comment was directed at Gina.

 

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Vax-happy, just trying to keep it light, man. By that I mean how people automatically accept the recommendations of more and more vaccines by the CDC as gospel, and don't question at all. And don't balk at the proliferation of new vaccines, and the ever-increasing flood of new drugs, without the years of study that drugs should undergo. New disease, crank out a new vaccine and get it on the market as fast as possible . . . I just find it alarming.

You have a good argument on the herd immunity stuff. I honestly don't think anyone knows enough to win that argument at this time. Top physicians are at variance on all these matters. My main point, and my initial reaction to your first post, is that having questions about vaccinations does not mean someone wants to ban all vaccines.

It's not just about vaccines. It's how much control you are willing to give to the medical authorities. When you allow the administration of drugs to become mandatory, it sets a precedent that could easily expand to say, psychiatric medication, and on and on.

So, we all have to weigh our personal freedom against perceived risk, as in all aspects of our lives in the land of liberty.


 

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The vaccines are the excuse they will use to institute an invasive policy that reaches waaaay beyond punishing parents and people who refuse to get vaccinated. It's about

"the expansion of government authority over our bodies and the bodies of our children, specifically the exercise of police power to take us into custody and isolate us without our consent whenever public health officials believe we are sick or could become sick." At stake is the preservation of human rights and cultural values that have been part of America since the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights defined civil liberties two centuries ago. Are public health officials getting ready to apprehend and quarantine you or your child if they believe you are, or could become, infected with measles or any other communicable disease they decide is a threat to the public health? "

REMARKS: The language in the legislation is too vague which means it can be missued. By what criteria are they determining that someone has something that can be communicable to others? How arbitrary are the guidelines, and how will they be enforced?


POINT:
"Are public health officials getting ready to apprehend and quarantine you or your child if they believe you are, or could become, infected with measles or any other communicable disease they decide is a threat to the public health?

REMARK: How are they going to round you up?
"Are they enlisting airline and other public transportation personnel to help them conduct a dragnet that will be easy for you to get caught up in when you travel? "

Once you are detained, can they hold you for 72 hours against your will until you agree to be vaccinated or they declare you are no longer a threat? Is this for real or not? You be the judge."




POINT:
"The part of the Public Health Service Act they want to strengthen is the part that gives them power under the U.S. Constitution6,7 to restrict the freedom of a person entering the U.S. or traveling between states if they believe the person is infected or could become infected with certain kinds of communicable diseases.8

In the future, it could extend to any form of transportation when you cross state lines, including by bus, train or car.


REMARK: You cannot even travel in your own car or cross state lines even IF you are NOT SICK, even if they just believe you COULD get sick and spread germs elsewhere. What is the criteria, who decides? They could say you live in an area that is endemic with a certain problem, and then they will not let you leave, you are stuck in an area that can become pandemic, and not even allowed to get out.




POINT:
This Notice of Proposed Rule Making (NPRM) involves the participation of federally funded state health departments and state facilities, too, because the majority of police power to detain, isolate and quarantine citizens belongs to the states.9,10

If this NPRM is implemented and the states follow suit, you and your children could be vulnerable to detention and quarantine if health officials decide you are, or could become, a transmitter of measles or other infections because, for example, your electronic medical records reveal you have not gotten every dose of every CDC recommended vaccine.



REMARK: So if you refuse to let them inject you with whatever they want to, they can send police to round you up because you COULD BECOME a transmitter of a disease IF you get it at some later point in time. WTF?




POINT:
In 2005, pandemic influenza was added.20 But in 2014, the Presidential Executive Order did not name a specific disease that would warrant detention and quarantine: It simply described "diseases associated with fever and signs and symptoms of pneumonia or other respiratory illness" that have "the potential to cause a pandemic" or are "highly likely to cause mortality or serious morbidity if not properly controlled."


Almost every infection has the potential to cause serious complications, injury or death for some people, but that doesn't mean government health officials should have the power to take you into custody and isolate you if you look sick or have been around someone who is sick. Displaying symptoms of respiratory illness is wide-open territory, and those symptoms can be due to everything from severe allergies, asthma and COPD to sinus infections, pertussis, measles, chickenpox, and pneumonia.


Read the HAVE A RASH YOU COULD BE DETAINED SECTION of the Article.


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After You Are Taken Into Custody

You can be held for 72 hours without the right to contact an attorney or anyone else to appeal your detention. You will be asked to sign a contract with the CDC that you consent to the "public health measures" being applied to you or your minor child, which may include "quarantine, isolation, conditional release, medical examination, hospitalization, vaccination and treatment."

REMARK: No lawyer, no contacting anyone? What is this medical rendition?

"But even if you don't voluntarily agree to sign that contract, public health officials can still do whatever they want to do to you because "the individual's consent shall not be considered a prerequisite to any exercise of any authority" by the CDC. And if government officials do release you from detention, you can be electronically tracked and monitored, including by electronic tracking devices you have to wear or by email, cell phone texts, video conferencing and voicemail. "

REMARK: Are you kidding me? They can put an electronic bracelet on you like a convict, or a tracked animal, read your email, phone texts, listen to your voicemail. PRISON PLANET.




POINT:
You Can Be Fined and Jailed for Disobeying CDC Orders

And if the CDC finds you guilty of disobeying their orders and they believe you transmitted an infection to someone else, you can be fined "$100,000 if the violation does not result in a death, or one year in jail, or both, or a fine of no more than $250,000 if the violation results in a death, or one year in jail or both."

Plus, they have added this curious language without explanation: "Violations by organizations are subject to a fine of no more than $200,000 per event if the violation does not result in a death, or $500,000 per event it the violation results in a death."

Right now, measles is not officially on the "detain and quarantine list." But measles easily could be put on that "isolate and quarantine" list if CDC officials convince the president to issue an Executive Order if or when the NPRM becomes law after October 14, 2016.


REMARK: Sure add some financial punishment to it.
Other symptoms that could get you detained under the NPRM are vomiting and diarrhea or a fever over 100 degrees F, which are common to everything from allergic reactions, inflammatory bowel disease, salmonella and norovirus infections to hangovers and the common cold. How about a headache with stiff neck that could be nothing more than a bad migraine?
Diseases associated with signs and symptoms of pneumonia OR OTHER RESPIRATORY ILLNESS? What is you have chronic bronchitis, you would be at increased risk of developing pneumonia or flu so they have to control you.



FORCED VACCINATIONS ALREADY IMPLEMENTED
The long arm of the public health police is being felt already in states like Mississippi, West Virginia and California, which have eliminated vaccine exemptions, while forced vaccination lobbyists in dozens of other states are attacking exemptions protecting freedom of thought, conscience and religious belief.40


Do you people really think there is nothing wrong with this legislation?

[Edited on 9/28/2016 by gina]

 

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  posted on 9/29/2016 at 03:25 PM
The problem with your approach is you alienate people with speculation. Rational dialogue, and compromise, comes from calm and reasoned debate. When you go off into 1984 and camps and cops and control, then nobody takes you seriously, even if time proves you right.

Really don't need you in my camp, thanks anyway.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2016 at 07:46 PM
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  posted on 10/1/2016 at 02:29 PM
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The problem with your approach is you alienate people with speculation. Rational dialogue, and compromise, comes from calm and reasoned debate. When you go off into 1984 and camps and cops and control, then nobody takes you seriously, even if time proves you right.

Really don't need you in my camp, thanks anyway.


It is not speculation, it is what they CAN legally do, IF the legislation passes, and knowing the potential pitfalls is why people should take an interest, and demand their legislators REJECT and VOTE no when they take the Congressional vote. For those who want to remain calm, they take a HUGE risk with their future freedoms. Some of us are not willing to do that.

 

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