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Suddenly it's Trump sounding soft on illegal immigration
by ERICA WERNER, The Associated Press
an hour ago
WASHINGTON --
Donald Trump defeated 16 rivals in the Republican primaries by being the most anti-immigrant of them all, promising to build a giant wall on the border and deport millions. He labeled opponents like Jeb Bush and Marco Rubio as weak and amnesty-loving, and his extreme rhetoric pushed the entire immigration debate to the right.
But suddenly, Trump is sounding like some of the people he defeated. In an appearance on Fox News Channel's "Hannity" show Wednesday, Trump discussed how tough it is to break up families for deportation, suggesting that maybe upstanding people who've been in this country for years should be allowed to stay if they pay back taxes and insisting, just as Bush and Rubio were repeatedly forced to do, that such actions would not amount to "amnesty."
"Everywhere I go I get the same reaction. They want toughness. They want firmness. They want to obey the law," Trump said. "But they feel that throwing them out as a whole family when they've been here for a long time, it's a tough thing."
Trump's exact meaning was murky. And it was unclear if he was unveiling a new stance or simply trying out new rhetoric to appeal to a general election audience as he lags Democrat Hillary Clinton in polls 11 weeks before the election. His new campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, insisted on CNN Thursday that "nothing has changed in terms of the policies."
And Trump seemed to backtrack yet again less than 24 hours later, saying on CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" Thursday evening that he would not grant any legal status to immigrants here illegally unless they leave the United States first, something that would be burdensome and impractical when applied to millions of people. "There is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back," he said.
Still, Trump's new language seemed to reveal an awareness that his unyielding stance against immigrants is unlikely to get him to the White House, with Latinos voting in growing numbers in key states.
"He's learned painfully, belatedly, that what stirs up a large part of the Republican primary electorate is not what wins general elections," said John Rowe, a GOP donor and former CEO of Exelon, who's planning to vote for libertarian Gary Johnson. "You cannot win without women, Asians, Latinos, African Americans."
In an interview Thursday on ABC, Bush called Trump's positioning "abhorrent," saying: "I can only say that whatever his views are this morning, they might change this afternoon, and they were different than they were last night, and they'll be different tomorrow."
Clinton, speaking on CNN, dismissed Trump's shifting language as "a desperate effort to try to land somewhere that isn't as devastating to his campaign as his comments and his positions have been up until now."
There were signs that Trump risked angering hard-core supporters who helped him win the nomination. Conservative commentator Ann Coulter, who published a book called "In Trump We Trust," reacted with angry tweets to Trump's comments on Fox, including remarking sardonically "Well, if it's 'hard,' then never mind."
GOP Rep. Steve King of Iowa, a leading immigration hardliner, said in an interview that "I have some concerns at this point" over Trump's stances.
The upside for Trump was not immediately apparent. Immigrant advocates argued he would gain no ground with Hispanics by giving lip-service to limited pro-immigrant measures while still insisting on the need for a border wall. Advocates speculated that Trump's goal was to woo independent voters who might support him but are turned off by his harsher stances.
"Look, when you launch your campaign saying Mexican immigrants are rapists, drug dealers and murderers, I don't know there's a lot you can say to recover," said Democratic Rep. Luis Gutierrez of Illinois.
After beginning his campaign asserting that Mexican immigrants "are rapists," and are "bringing drugs," Trump built an image as the one candidate who would expel immigrants in the country illegally, pledging a "deportation force" to send all 11 million home.
Opponents including Rubio, Bush and Ohio Gov. John Kasich denounced Trump's proposals, insisting there was no way to eject 11 million people from the country. But as Trump gained support, his opponents were forced to modulate their stances, as even those like Rubio who had supported a path to citizenship for people in the country illegally put the focus on border security first.
Trump was quick to ridicule his opponents. "Marco Rubio is totally weak on illegal immigration & in favor of easy amnesty," Trump declared over Twitter last fall. After Bush claimed that illegal immigration could be described as "an act of love," an Instagram video Trump posted showed the words, "Forget Love! It's time to get Tough!"
Yet now it's Trump talking about allowing immigrants in the country illegally a way to stay here.
"They have to pay taxes. There's no amnesty as such. There's no amnesty ... But we work with them," Trump said Wednesday.
"I would say it's nice to see Donald Trump acknowledge that he was wrong and that his opponents were correct," said Chris Schrimpf, a spokesman for Kasich. "What one hopes is that Donald Trump actually believes and knows he was wrong, and isn't just saying something in an attempt to get elected."

 
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  posted on 8/25/2016 at 08:14 PM
His positions continue to evolve. It's a sign that he is open minded and sensitive to changing situations. He is growing as a person. His followers must be proud.

 

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  posted on 8/25/2016 at 09:15 PM
If there's a vote to be had, he'll change his stance to chase the vote. His handlers are smart enough to know that he is so far behind on demographics, that he has to change his words to scrape some more votes. His primary support base will never get him to 50% or whatever % he needs to win. They may be angry > 50% of the time, but that unfortunately doesn't equate to votes.

Coming soon - The whole wall thingy was a practical joke. He really didn't mean it.

Anybody see Katrina Pierson (Trump surrogate) go wacky AGAIN today on CNN?

 

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  posted on 8/25/2016 at 09:17 PM
And people say he's not a politician. Lol.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2016 at 06:57 AM
I find this so amusing to see the WP regulars and the CNN and MSNBC schmucks all getting hard and wet replaying the same sound bite over and over.... he changed his position, gotcha, how can you believe him, blah, blah, blah. We would not even be discussing the issues with immigration if it was not for Mr. Trump.

The bottom line is this: Who do you believe will actually try and correct some of the immigration problems in this country? Jeb Bush, Crooked Hillary or Candidate Trump? For me, its Trump because he is the only one talking about it until it became the flavor of the month for CNN and MSNBC. You all know in your heart that Jeb and Crooked Hillary would continue to do nothing about the issue once elected because fixing immigration means sometimes an elected official has to make unpopular decisions and they would rather ignore these problems.

AND speaking of flopping, Hillary has been on record in dozens of instances that she supports TPP trade deal. Come election time, she suddenly wants you all to believe she is against this deal when stumping for votes? Her State Dept has invested thousands of hours and resources into this draft of a massive globalization bill.

This big shameless shift is accepted with little questioning and glossed over by the main stream liberal bias media, the same with her playing coy with her Keystone pipeline stance, and her continued dodging of having a press conference and taking questions.


 

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  posted on 8/26/2016 at 08:41 AM
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I find this so amusing to see the WP regulars and the CNN and MSNBC schmucks all getting hard and wet replaying the same sound bite over and over.... he changed his position, gotcha, how can you believe him, blah, blah, blah. We would not even be discussing the issues with immigration if it was not for Mr. Trump.

The bottom line is this: Who do you believe will actually try and correct some of the immigration problems in this country? Jeb Bush, Crooked Hillary or Candidate Trump? For me, its Trump because he is the only one talking about it until it became the flavor of the month for CNN and MSNBC. You all know in your heart that Jeb and Crooked Hillary would continue to do nothing about the issue once elected because fixing immigration means sometimes an elected official has to make unpopular decisions and they would rather ignore these problems.

Here's a tip: Your point about schmucks repeating sound bites would have more impact if you didn't keep repeating the phrase "Crooked Hillary".

 

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  posted on 8/26/2016 at 09:16 AM
For somebody that is so adamant they aren't in Crooked Hillary's camp, you sure do a great job carrying her water.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2016 at 09:28 AM
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For somebody that is so adamant they aren't in Crooked Hillary's camp, you sure do a great job carrying her water.

LOL...apparently you don't see the irony in your earlier post, but I'm confident most educated people will.

Edit: No hard feelings. I hope I'm still invited to your lake house party next year.

[Edited on 8/26/2016 by bob1954]

 

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  posted on 8/26/2016 at 01:57 PM
https://youtu.be/azEOeTX1LqM
 

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  posted on 8/26/2016 at 03:05 PM
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The bottom line is this: Who do you believe will actually try and correct some of the immigration problems in this country? Jeb Bush, Crooked Hillary or Candidate Trump?


None of them.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2016 at 03:17 PM
all of them in their own special way

 

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  posted on 8/26/2016 at 03:58 PM
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For somebody that is so adamant they aren't in Crooked Hillary's camp, you sure do a great job carrying her water.

LOL...apparently you don't see the irony in your earlier post, but I'm confident most educated people will.

Edit: No hard feelings. I hope I'm still invited to your lake house party next year.

[Edited on 8/26/2016 by bob1954]


Sure, Crooked Bob. Goob welcomes all kinds of people.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2016 at 04:34 PM
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I find this so amusing to see the WP regulars and the CNN and MSNBC schmucks all getting hard and wet replaying the same sound bite over and over.... he changed his position, gotcha, how can you believe him, blah, blah, blah. We would not even be discussing the issues with immigration if it was not for Mr. Trump.

The bottom line is this: Who do you believe will actually try and correct some of the immigration problems in this country? Jeb Bush, Crooked Hillary or Candidate Trump? For me, its Trump because he is the only one talking about it until it became the flavor of the month for CNN and MSNBC. You all know in your heart that Jeb and Crooked Hillary would continue to do nothing about the issue once elected because fixing immigration means sometimes an elected official has to make unpopular decisions and they would rather ignore these problems.

AND speaking of flopping, Hillary has been on record in dozens of instances that she supports TPP trade deal. Come election time, she suddenly wants you all to believe she is against this deal when stumping for votes? Her State Dept has invested thousands of hours and resources into this draft of a massive globalization bill.

This big shameless shift is accepted with little questioning and glossed over by the main stream liberal bias media, the same with her playing coy with her Keystone pipeline stance, and her continued dodging of having a press conference and taking questions.




Like many have said, for some people it doesn't matter what he does. Here we have an example.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2016 at 04:40 PM
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I find this so amusing to see the WP regulars and the CNN and MSNBC schmucks all getting hard and wet replaying the same sound bite over and over.... he changed his position, gotcha, how can you believe him, blah, blah, blah. We would not even be discussing the issues with immigration if it was not for Mr. Trump.

The bottom line is this: Who do you believe will actually try and correct some of the immigration problems in this country? Jeb Bush, Crooked Hillary or Candidate Trump? For me, its Trump because he is the only one talking about it until it became the flavor of the month for CNN and MSNBC. You all know in your heart that Jeb and Crooked Hillary would continue to do nothing about the issue once elected because fixing immigration means sometimes an elected official has to make unpopular decisions and they would rather ignore these problems.

AND speaking of flopping, Hillary has been on record in dozens of instances that she supports TPP trade deal. Come election time, she suddenly wants you all to believe she is against this deal when stumping for votes? Her State Dept has invested thousands of hours and resources into this draft of a massive globalization bill.

This big shameless shift is accepted with little questioning and glossed over by the main stream liberal bias media, the same with her playing coy with her Keystone pipeline stance, and her continued dodging of having a press conference and taking questions.




Like many have said, for some people it doesn't matter what he does. Here we have an example.


What is really amusing is that Trump shows time and time again that he has no knowledge of the laws that are on the books today, how the deportation process works or what he legally can or cannot do under the laws as they exist. But he spews out simple solutions that his low info supporters slurp up. If Trump were to somehow get elected, I would imagine his fans would be quickly disillusioned at his lack of achievement. Or maybe not. They can always blame Obama.

 

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What is really amusing is that Trump shows time and time again that he has no knowledge of the laws that are on the books today, how the deportation process works or what he legally can or cannot do under the laws as they exist.

He doesn't care because he thinks the President can do whatever he wants. After all, he is the President. You can't top that.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2016 at 04:36 AM
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He doesn't care because he thinks the President can do whatever he wants. After all, he is the President. You can't top that.


More than likely, spot on.

 

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  posted on 8/28/2016 at 01:13 PM
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If there's a vote to be had, he'll change his stance to chase the vote. His handlers are smart enough to know that he is so far behind on demographics, that he has to change his words to scrape some more votes. His primary support base will never get him to 50% or whatever % he needs to win. They may be angry > 50% of the time, but that unfortunately doesn't equate to votes. on CNN?



Where do his numbers stand with the 50% that normally don't vote and are never polled?





[Edited on 8/28/2016 by alloak41]

 

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If there's a vote to be had, he'll change his stance to chase the vote. His handlers are smart enough to know that he is so far behind on demographics, that he has to change his words to scrape some more votes. His primary support base will never get him to 50% or whatever % he needs to win. They may be angry > 50% of the time, but that unfortunately doesn't equate to votes. on CNN?



Where do his numbers stand with the 50% that normally don't vote and are never polled?





[Edited on 8/28/2016 by alloak41]


His numbers are still higher than any Republican.

 

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His positions continue to evolve. It's a sign that he is open minded and sensitive to changing situations. He is growing as a person.


Hold on, though. He's not a Democrat so your whole case falls apart.

 

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His positions continue to evolve. It's a sign that he is open minded and sensitive to changing situations. He is growing as a person.


Hold on, though. He's not a Democrat so your whole case falls apart.

Weak sauce. You can do better than that.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2016 at 11:19 AM
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If there's a vote to be had, he'll change his stance to chase the vote. His handlers are smart enough to know that he is so far behind on demographics, that he has to change his words to scrape some more votes. His primary support base will never get him to 50% or whatever % he needs to win. They may be angry > 50% of the time, but that unfortunately doesn't equate to votes. on CNN?



Where do his numbers stand with the 50% that normally don't vote and are never polled?

[Edited on 8/28/2016 by alloak41]


They're factored in. That's the way polling works, but you can dismiss that if you choose.

You'll get all the great numbers in early November that will allow you to continue to deny demographics, deny the GOP the WH, and aford you the opportunity to continue making snarky posts for the next 4 or 8 years.

And like the last two elections, the GOP will wonder what they did wrong...again. Trump didn't get the GOP autopsy from 2012, or if he did, he thought it didn't apply to him in 2016.

 

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If there's a vote to be had, he'll change his stance to chase the vote. His handlers are smart enough to know that he is so far behind on demographics, that he has to change his words to scrape some more votes. His primary support base will never get him to 50% or whatever % he needs to win. They may be angry > 50% of the time, but that unfortunately doesn't equate to votes. on CNN?



Where do his numbers stand with the 50% that normally don't vote and are never polled?

[Edited on 8/28/2016 by alloak41]


They're factored in. That's the way polling works, but you can dismiss that if you choose.

You'll get all the great numbers in early November that will allow you to continue to deny demographics, deny the GOP the WH, and aford you the opportunity to continue making snarky posts for the next 4 or 8 years.

And like the last two elections, the GOP will wonder what they did wrong...again. Trump didn't get the GOP autopsy from 2012, or if he did, he thought it didn't apply to him in 2016.


1. Factored in how accurately?

2. It's not a question of denying demographics. The numbers are there for everybody to see. It's that I don't believe in separating people into groups, that's a Democrat thing. I'd rather view us all as AMERICANS. I believe in what's doing the best for greatest number of people, rather than making promises to the same groups election after election that remain unfulfilled.

The Democrats love their pet groups on election day, the other 364 not so much. Whoever the GOP nominates will be colored as a bigot who hates "minorities," that's a given until the end of time. Far too many voters are too uninformed to catch on and the Dems continue to play them like fools and they will continue to get the short end.

You really think the snark meister will change my style depending on who wins the election? Fat chance.....Snark attack!!!!

3. The Electoral map makes it exceedingly difficult for a Republican to win the Presidency. That being said, GOP candidates trying to act like Democrats thinking that Democrats will vote for them is insane and has done more harm than good. Maybe Trump will have a better chance of getting the base turned out this time, and I think he's caught the attention of people so fed up they NEVER vote. Ms Clinton definitely won't attract this type of person.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2016 at 01:22 PM
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If there's a vote to be had, he'll change his stance to chase the vote. His handlers are smart enough to know that he is so far behind on demographics, that he has to change his words to scrape some more votes. His primary support base will never get him to 50% or whatever % he needs to win. They may be angry > 50% of the time, but that unfortunately doesn't equate to votes. on CNN?



Where do his numbers stand with the 50% that normally don't vote and are never polled?

[Edited on 8/28/2016 by alloak41]


They're factored in. That's the way polling works, but you can dismiss that if you choose.

You'll get all the great numbers in early November that will allow you to continue to deny demographics, deny the GOP the WH, and aford you the opportunity to continue making snarky posts for the next 4 or 8 years.

And like the last two elections, the GOP will wonder what they did wrong...again. Trump didn't get the GOP autopsy from 2012, or if he did, he thought it didn't apply to him in 2016.


1. Factored in how accurately?

2. It's not a question of denying demographics. The numbers are there for everybody to see. It's that I don't believe in separating people into groups, that's a Democrat thing. I'd rather view us all as AMERICANS. I believe in what's doing the best for greatest number of people, rather than making promises to the same groups election after election that remain unfulfilled.

The Democrats love their pet groups on election day, the other 364 not so much. Whoever the GOP nominates will be colored as a bigot who hates "minorities," that's a given until the end of time. Far too many voters are too uninformed to catch on and the Dems continue to play them like fools and they will continue to get the short end.

You really think the snark meister will change my style depending on who wins the election? Fat chance.....Snark attack!!!!

3. The Electoral map makes it exceedingly difficult for a Republican to win the Presidency. That being said, GOP candidates trying to act like Democrats thinking that Democrats will vote for them is insane and has done more harm than good. Maybe Trump will have a better chance of getting the base turned out this time, and I think he's caught the attention of people so fed up they NEVER vote. Ms Clinton definitely won't attract this type of person.



John Kasich would have beat Hillary. All the polls showed it, and I believe it. Not sure why the GOP primary voters didn't like him outside of Ohio. Maybe he wasn't bigoted enough to win the Republican primary, but he was your shot to win the presidency. Instead the GOP doubled down on crazy, and they deserve what is coming to them.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2016 at 01:32 PM
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I'd rather view us all as AMERICANS.


Exactly! And by definition AMERICANS means a whole bunch of different races, creeds, and colors, varying groups with interests that often conflict. So your view makes perfect sense.

 

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Whoever the GOP nominates will be colored as a bigot who hates "minorities"

Interesting choice of words, but some GOP politicians (like the current POTUS nominee) "color" themselves with their own words. An example that has been pointed out in another thread

“Black people come up the highway and they kill Mainers”

“Right now the enemy is...people of color.”

- both of the above said by Maine Governor Paul LePage (R) within the last week

He's also a homophobe, having used gay slurs in the past, for example in 2013 he said a Democratic lawmaker, State Sen. Troy Jackson of Aroostook County, “claims to be for the people but he’s the first one to give it to the people without providing Vaseline.” And then there is last week's voicemail from Governor LePage to State Rep. Drew Gattine:

“Mr. Gattine, this is Gov. Paul Richard LePage,” the recording of LePage’s voice message says. “I would like to talk to you about your comments about my being a racist, you c—sucker. I want to talk to you. I want you to prove that I’m a racist. I’ve spent my life helping black people and you little son-of-a-bitch, socialist c—sucker. You … I need you to, just friggin. I want you to record this and make it public because I am after you. Thank you.”

He later said to a reporter that he would like to duel with Gattine, and said that he would put the gun right between Gattine's eyes and pull the trigger. All this because he thought Gattine had called him a racist, which Gattine denies and there is no record of him doing so.

Is this the kind of "color" you were referring to?

 

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