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  posted on 2/26/2016 at 06:42 PM
Hey folks,
I never come to the WP, but I need some help. I live in somewhat of a liberal bubble (Eugene, OR) and even the republicans that I talk with are against Trump. So, I know the arguments for and against the dems, and even some gop's, but I don't know the arguments FOR Trump. So, I'm really not looking for anything sarcastic or volatile, but I was hoping for some serious help: If you like and are voting for Trump, can you please enlighten me to the reason(s)? I am trying to make an informed decision and care about your input. Thanks!

 

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  posted on 2/26/2016 at 07:19 PM
Here is a well written article that addresses the reasons to vote for Trump:

http://www.reasonstovotetrump.com

 

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  posted on 2/26/2016 at 10:33 PM
Living in liberal NYC, I don't know anyone who considers Trump to be a viable candidate. My sense is that he's a flashpoint for the frustration, anger, and hopelessness of the electorate.

I haven't read a single article that identifies any particular ideology or viable position he holds that would garner massive support. I think it's his celebrity and anti-establishment message that are getting him votes in the primaries.

I, too, would be interested to hear from Trump supporters just what it is that attracts them.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2016 at 10:48 PM
I honestly believe he is trying to break the tea party faction of the GOP and he's making sure none of them will get elected....I think he'd rather have Hillary then Cruz or Rubio so he's playing their game by blocking their path as they blocked this whole countries as a part of the Tea movement. His game is to destroy the tea party or to make sure they don't get anymore traction and especially the white house....

It all seems like one big reality TV program....it also shows how sad our country has gotten.....My question is how did we get here...

 

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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 09:24 AM
We got here due to an out of control spending and budget problem in Washington. We got here because of trade deals that favored lifting foreign countries out of poverty while putting more Americans in poverty and Americans see their jobs leave the country. Plus too many people get out of school and can't find work. We got here because a lack of strength in fighting illegal immigration. To name a few.

My appeal with Trump comes and goes depending on my mood. The issue of trade and trade deficits with foreign countries is a big issue with me. That would seem to be Trump's most credible issue. Can he stop US corporations from shifting operations to foreign countries? Can he foreign corporations and imports from negatively effecting domestic jobs and communities? As a single person, with most of the Republicans not sharing his view and Democrats who many do share that view - but will they work with him?

He says he will make deals.

That makes ideological Republicans very nervous. I am not an ideological Republican and I do not think Trump is anything close to that although he has had to play part of that act. I do not want a ideologue from either party.

That is a big thing for me. Many years ago I would've wanted an ideological President from the conservative side of the equation. Then I realized I don't really care about abortion, I don't really care about religion...and in his heart, I'm not sure Trump really cares about those things either unless he has convinced himself he has. I'm ok with a Republican President who acknowledges that Planned Parenthood does some good things. I'm ok with a Republican President who is ok with gays. I'm ok with a Republican President who calls it like it is on the Iraq war.

He is definitely outside of their mold.

I don't need or want some person never willing to compromise and always must dig in to get their way. Make deals. Broker compromises to move things forward. Isn't getting some support from both sides in passing something better than only one side getting their way and the other side being shut out? Everyone wants the cash US companies have sitting outside our country and nobody can figure out how to do it. Is Trump that person to do that?

I'm not sure. As I struggle through those questions I bounce back and forth in my potential support of him.


 

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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 11:52 AM
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I am not an ideological Republican and I do not think Trump is anything close to that although he has had to play part of that act. I do not want a ideologue from either party.

That is a big thing for me. Many years ago I would've wanted an ideological President from the conservative side of the equation. Then I realized I don't really care about abortion, I don't really care about religion...and in his heart, I'm not sure Trump really cares about those things either unless he has convinced himself he has. I'm ok with a Republican President who acknowledges that Planned Parenthood does some good things. I'm ok with a Republican President who is ok with gays. I'm ok with a Republican President who calls it like it is on the Iraq war.

I don't need or want some person never willing to compromise and always must dig in to get their way. Make deals. Broker compromises to move things forward. Isn't getting some support from both sides in passing something better than only one side getting their way and the other side being shut out? Everyone wants the cash US companies have sitting outside our country and nobody can figure out how to do it. Is Trump that person to do that?

I'm not sure. As I struggle through those questions I bounce back and forth in my potential support of him.


That's a cogent explanation of your position. In 2016, it makes sense for Americans to accept that it is not ideologically where it was 50 years ago. Abortion, gay marriage, and equality are facts. They're not going to be erased or repealed. Logically, voters should focus on economic and fiscal issues.

Thanks for telling us about your struggle and the questions you asked yourself. As you point out, citizens don't benefit from rigidity and deadlock.


 

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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 12:00 PM
What other HUMBLE YUGE SUPER HERO that knows more than anyone else on the planet and has never been wrong could you possibly vote for? It's an amazing super power to be able to make everything the way you think it should be just by failing to acknowledge that you can't do the things that you say you can.

Build a wall, make Mexico pay for it. Keep terrorist our of the country by asking at customs if they're Muslim. Make all non U. S. born people leave the country. And end 3000 years of fighting in the Middle East.

Oh, and demand an apology from the Pope!

Forget about anything the Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights and rest of the Constitution provide as the building blockes of the Unites States.

"I want you to want what I want, and if you don't you're stupid."

[Edited on 2/27/2016 by CB]

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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 12:14 PM
Has taken on all comers, insulted, pi$$ed on, made fun of, and antagonized his opponents, as well as party members that he would need to 1) support him and 2 ) work with him if hypothetically he got elected. He may be a billionaire, but does anyone really see him as presidential...really? All his talk of brokering deals is much different in a political arena then in Trump's world. He doesn't get to make the rules. His campaign is nothing more than a story line of the WWE.

Tell us Donald - Where is the substance and where are the specifics / details of your game plan to achieve the pie in the sky things you speak of? Still waiting to have him drill down other than to speak at the most general level of things he really can't make happen.

If anyone believes he can win the election, please show the path broken out by voting sectors of the population.

This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate.

[Edited on 2/27/2016 by MartinD28]

 

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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 12:26 PM
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I know the arguments for and against the dems, and even some gop's, but I don't know the arguments FOR Trump.

Amy, I'd love to help but for the life of me I just don't get it. If you find valid arguments for Trump please let us know.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 02:14 PM
amyjared, his supporters love that he isn't afraid to rage against things and people that he (and many other Americans) hates. He preys on the angry and dysfunctional portion of America by saying what they feel. He's the voice of the angry hateful American and that's what he wants. Unfortunately, we have way too many angry and hateful people in this country.

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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 02:20 PM
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This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate. [Edited on 2/27/2016 by MartinD28]


I think he's a great CANDIDATE; I think he would be a terrible president.

The GOP is desperate because they now see a Trump candidacy as a blowtorch to other GOP races. Christie throwing his support to Trump was another thumbing at the GOP. Apparently, Romney has been trying to broker support for a single opponent to Trump and can't find one.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 02:27 PM
http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/12/news/economy/donald-trump-china-mexico-jobs /
 

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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 02:28 PM
Gov. Christie’s support for Donald Trump is more proof the “the establishment” support for Donald Trump continues to grow, just like his poll numbers and massive crowds at rallies.

 

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Gov. Christie’s support for Donald Trump is more proof the “the establishment” support for Donald Trump continues to grow, just like his poll numbers and massive crowds at rallies.

"There is a SUCKER born every minute" P.T. Barnum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S48KU8JMKBc

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amyjared, his supporters love that he isn't afraid to rage against things and people that he (and many other Americans) hates. He preys on the angry and dysfunctional portion of America by saying what they feel. He's the voice of the angry hateful American and that's what he wants. Unfortunately, we have way too many angry and hateful people in this country.


"Angry".."Dysfunctional".."Hateful".."He preys"....

All code words for fear from the left. Too funny, want to see hate?..Just say you are going to vote for him, then sit back and prepare yourself for the rancor that comes your way.....

quote: by saying what they feel...this is what "Political correctness" has brought us.....Speak your mind and we will label you a bigot, homophobe or racist if you have the audacity to disagree with us!

 

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"There is a SUCKER born every minute" P.T. Barnum https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S48KU8JMKBc



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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 02:58 PM
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This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate. [Edited on 2/27/2016 by MartinD28]


I think he's a great CANDIDATE; I think he would be a terrible president.

The GOP is desperate because they now see a Trump candidacy as a blowtorch to other GOP races. Christie throwing his support to Trump was another thumbing at the GOP. Apparently, Romney has been trying to broker support for a single opponent to Trump and can't find one.


I get what you're saying, but if we look at this in its purest since, then we have to conclude that a classification of "great candidate" is a candidate that should win. Otherwise we can accept that a "great candidate" is just that - an exercise in exciting subsets of voters but a candidate who can't win. If the "end" is elect-ability / winning, then I believe he'll fall short. If that is the case, then I'll stick with my point of "This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate."

There are too many voting blocks that the GOP has trouble carrying in national elections, and Trump has gone beyond that with his rhetoric. Alienating voters is not a smart thing unless the calculation is that he believes that by alienating pockets of voters he will pick up even more groups of voters. That's a wild gamble, and in the end, I just don't think he can win.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2016 at 03:29 PM
Political Science Professor: Odds Of President Trump Range BETWEEN 97% AND 99%

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7:18 PM 02/24/2016

A political science professor who claims his statistical model has correctly predicted the results of every election except for one in the last 104 years has forecast that the odds of Donald Trump becoming America’s next president currently range from 97 percent to 99 percent.
The professor is Helmut Norpoth of Stony Brook University, reports The Statesman, the campus newspaper at the public bastion on New York’s Long Island.

Specifically, Norpoth predicts that Trump has a 97 percent chance of beating Hillary Clinton and a 99 percent chance of beating Bernie Sanders.

The predictions assume Trump will actually become the 2016 presidential nominee of the Republican Party.

Norpoth announced his prognostication on Monday night during Stony Brook Alumni Association event at the SUNY Global Center in Manhattan.

“The bottom line is that the primary model, using also the cyclical movement, makes it almost certain that Donald Trump will be the next president,” Norpoth said, according to The Statesman.

“When I started out with this kind of display a few months ago, I thought it was sort of a joke,” the professor told the alumni audience, according to the student newspaper. “Well, I’ll tell you right now, it ain’t a joke anymore.”

“Trump beats Hillary 54.7 percent to 45.3 percent” in terms of popular vote, Norpoth prophesied.

“This is almost too much to believe,” he told audience members described by the student paper as nervously laughing. But he is convinced his model won’t be wrong.

“Take it to the bank,” Norpoth confidently suggested.

Norpoth, a 1974 University of Michigan Ph.D. recipient who specializes in electoral behavior alignment, said his crystal ball also shows a 61-percent chance that the Republican nominee — Trump or not — will win the 2016 presidential election.

The political scientist also said there is virtually no way Trump could lose the Electoral College vote if he rakes in 54.7 percent — or more — of the vote.

Norpoth’s general election formula measures candidates’ performances in primaries and caucuses to gauge party unity and voter excitement. It also focuses on certain patterns in electoral cycles. One major assumption is that the party which has just held the presidency for two consecutive terms is less likely to win a third term.

In total, Norpoth observed, his forecasting formula he has created has been correct 96.1 percent of the time since 1912.

The professor said he has used the model in recent times to predict Bill Clinton’s victories as well as George W. Bush’s and Barack Obama’s wins.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/24/political-science-professor-odds-of-presi dent-trump-range-between-97-and-99/#ixzz41OxYJe00




 

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I get what you're saying, but if we look at this in its purest since, then we have to conclude that a classification of "great candidate" is a candidate that should win. Otherwise we can accept that a "great candidate" is just that - an exercise in exciting subsets of voters but a candidate who can't win. If the "end" is elect-ability / winning, then I believe he'll fall short. If that is the case, then I'll stick with my point of "This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate."


True. He can win the nomination but not the election. IMO.

Interesting Trump has such a diverse base of support. There was a program on this topic yesterday on NPR. A caller who identified himself as a former Rand Paul supporter said he's considering Trump or Sanders because ultimately he doesn't care about the abortion/gay marriage/religious talking points anymore. He just wants anti-establishment.




 

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I get what you're saying, but if we look at this in its purest since, then we have to conclude that a classification of "great candidate" is a candidate that should win. Otherwise we can accept that a "great candidate" is just that - an exercise in exciting subsets of voters but a candidate who can't win. If the "end" is elect-ability / winning, then I believe he'll fall short. If that is the case, then I'll stick with my point of "This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate."


True. He can win the nomination but not the election. IMO.

Interesting Trump has such a diverse base of support. There was a program on this topic yesterday on NPR. A caller who identified himself as a former Rand Paul supporter said he's considering Trump or Sanders because ultimately he doesn't care about the abortion/gay marriage/religious talking points anymore. He just wants anti-establishment.
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The democrat’s issues of abortion/gay marriage/religious talking points are just a deflection from the important issues Americans want talked about and solved.

Almost every national independent legitimate poll shows that those issues are national security, the economy, jobs and their constitutional rights.

Those are the important issues you won’t hear discussed at democrat candidate debates and speeches.


 

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I get what you're saying, but if we look at this in its purest since, then we have to conclude that a classification of "great candidate" is a candidate that should win. Otherwise we can accept that a "great candidate" is just that - an exercise in exciting subsets of voters but a candidate who can't win. If the "end" is elect-ability / winning, then I believe he'll fall short. If that is the case, then I'll stick with my point of "This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate."


True. He can win the nomination but not the election. IMO.

Interesting Trump has such a diverse base of support. There was a program on this topic yesterday on NPR. A caller who identified himself as a former Rand Paul supporter said he's considering Trump or Sanders because ultimately he doesn't care about the abortion/gay marriage/religious talking points anymore. He just wants anti-establishment.






He does have a base - many of the angry voters & many standard GOP voters who will vote for him. I have seen stats where 20 + pct. of Republicans said they'll never vote for him.

Re: diverse support - Women make up biggest voting block, & in national election I doubt he takes that significant segment of voters. He won't win the black vote, and with his "kind" words he can write off Hispanics where he's got an unfavorable rating of about 80%. Then there is the Muslim vote - another of his favorite targets, and I'm guessing he'd be in the single digits at best.

 

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I get what you're saying, but if we look at this in its purest since, then we have to conclude that a classification of "great candidate" is a candidate that should win. Otherwise we can accept that a "great candidate" is just that - an exercise in exciting subsets of voters but a candidate who can't win. If the "end" is elect-ability / winning, then I believe he'll fall short. If that is the case, then I'll stick with my point of "This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate."


True. He can win the nomination but not the election. IMO.

Interesting Trump has such a diverse base of support. There was a program on this topic yesterday on NPR. A caller who identified himself as a former Rand Paul supporter said he's considering Trump or Sanders because ultimately he doesn't care about the abortion/gay marriage/religious talking points anymore. He just wants anti-establishment.






He does have a base - many of the angry voters & many standard GOP voters who will vote for him. I have seen stats where 20 + pct. of Republicans said they'll never vote for him.

Re: diverse support - Women make up biggest voting block, & in national election I doubt he takes that significant segment of voters. He won't win the black vote, and with his "kind" words he can write off Hispanics where he's got an unfavorable rating of about 80%. Then there is the Muslim vote - another of his favorite targets, and I'm guessing he'd be in the single digits at best.

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"20 + pct. of Republicans said they'll never vote for him" - was that from the editorial pages of The NYT or WAPO?
You didn't mention that Donald Trump is getting the votes of over half of the so-called "independents".

Hillary Clinton's unfavorable numbers top every legitimate poll.



 

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I get what you're saying, but if we look at this in its purest since, then we have to conclude that a classification of "great candidate" is a candidate that should win. Otherwise we can accept that a "great candidate" is just that - an exercise in exciting subsets of voters but a candidate who can't win. If the "end" is elect-ability / winning, then I believe he'll fall short. If that is the case, then I'll stick with my point of "This will be yet another election the GOP loses due to putting up a bad candidate."


True. He can win the nomination but not the election. IMO.

Interesting Trump has such a diverse base of support. There was a program on this topic yesterday on NPR. A caller who identified himself as a former Rand Paul supporter said he's considering Trump or Sanders because ultimately he doesn't care about the abortion/gay marriage/religious talking points anymore. He just wants anti-establishment.






He does have a base - many of the angry voters & many standard GOP voters who will vote for him. I have seen stats where 20 + pct. of Republicans said they'll never vote for him.

Re: diverse support - Women make up biggest voting block, & in national election I doubt he takes that significant segment of voters. He won't win the black vote, and with his "kind" words he can write off Hispanics where he's got an unfavorable rating of about 80%. Then there is the Muslim vote - another of his favorite targets, and I'm guessing he'd be in the single digits at best.

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"20 + pct. of Republicans said they'll never vote for him" - was that from the editorial pages of The NYT or WAPO?
You didn't mention that Donald Trump is getting the votes of over half of the so-called "independents".

Hillary Clinton's unfavorable numbers top every legitimate poll.



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Re: diverse support - Women make up biggest voting block, & in national election I doubt he takes that significant segment of voters. He won't win the black vote, and with his "kind" words he can write off Hispanics where he's got an unfavorable rating of about 80%. Then there is the Muslim vote - another of his favorite targets, and I'm guessing he'd be in the single digits at best.


I'm still back at will he get the nomination. One thing that many talking heads get wrong is that "women" are a category. There are white, hispanic, black, asian, and other women of various religions and levels of education. I've read articles - most notably by Gloria Steinheim - that she's shocked "women" aren't voting for Hillary in order to elect the first woman president. Young women voters don't see that as a deal breaker or maker; they vote on issues.

But hey, Trump loves "undereducated people" so I guess that's a separate category to consider.


 

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Re: diverse support - Women make up biggest voting block, & in national election I doubt he takes that significant segment of voters. He won't win the black vote, and with his "kind" words he can write off Hispanics where he's got an unfavorable rating of about 80%. Then there is the Muslim vote - another of his favorite targets, and I'm guessing he'd be in the single digits at best.


I'm still back at will he get the nomination. One thing that many talking heads get wrong is that "women" are a category. There are white, hispanic, black, asian, and other women of various religions and levels of education. I've read articles - most notably by Gloria Steinheim - that she's shocked "women" aren't voting for Hillary in order to elect the first woman president. Young women voters don't see that as a deal breaker or maker; they vote on issues.

But hey, Trump loves "undereducated people" so I guess that's a separate category to consider.



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Few women pay any attention to the old dykes club in general and Gloria Steinheim in particular.

That is probably why younger women are not voting for Hillary Clinton.

For most, a female president would be great as long as she is not corrupt and a liar.



 
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