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  posted on 10/15/2015 at 09:11 AM
I keep hearing about "how great" Bernie Sanders' comment "We're tired of hearing about your damn emails" was and I keep wondering:

1) Hillary Clinton set up a private server for her emails - meaning no public record or accountability - and from what we do know there seems to be a direct link between donations to the Clinton Foundation and foreign policy decisions while Clinton was Secretary of State. Why the f&*% would I be "tired" of hearing about that???? THE SECRETARY OF STATE SELLING POLICY DECISIONS TO FOREIGN ACTORS THROUGH AN UNACCOUNTABLE BACK-CHANNEL IS PRETTY F&*%ING RELEVANT ESPECIALLY SINCE SHE IN NOW RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!

2) Per above, this is a serious issue. Why in the world would Bernie Sanders not only give her a pass but offer a rallying cry for voters to ignore the issue? I get "support the party" etc. but selling our nation off to the highest Clinton Foundation contributor is extremely serious, I would say treasonous, and I think "Bernie Sanders" would be opposed to that (unless he don't have a problem it. Hmmmm.) Also, why "support" Hillary?? Obama sure didn't and he won the WH. Isn't that what Bernie is trying to do? No?

These two things just add to my suspicions that Bernie Sanders is doing nothing more than playing his part in another joke presidential election.

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  posted on 10/15/2015 at 10:41 AM
As stated before, personally I don't know how big a deal this all is or isn't. What I do know is that if the shoe were on the other foot - if "W" or some other GOP guy had done the same exact thing - the reaction from the Dem's would be at least the same. Fairly so, I suppose.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2015 at 10:50 AM
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As stated before, personally I don't know how big a deal this all is or isn't. What I do know is that if the shoe were on the other foot - if "W" or some other GOP guy had done the same exact thing - the reaction from the Dem's would be at least the same. Fairly so, I suppose.


Actually, the W Bush Administration did do the exact same thing, on a much larger scale, with lost emails measuring into the millions. White House email servers and a private server, even!

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The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act. Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted. Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove lost emails, leading to damaging allegations. In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy


 

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  posted on 10/15/2015 at 10:54 AM
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As stated before, personally I don't know how big a deal this all is or isn't. What I do know is that if the shoe were on the other foot - if "W" or some other GOP guy had done the same exact thing - the reaction from the Dem's would be at least the same. Fairly so, I suppose.


Actually, the W Bush Administration did do the exact same thing, on a much larger scale, with lost emails measuring into the millions. White House email servers and a private server, even!

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The Bush White House email controversy surfaced in 2007 during the controversy involving the dismissal of eight U.S. attorneys. Congressional requests for administration documents while investigating the dismissals of the U.S. attorneys required the Bush administration to reveal that not all internal White House emails were available, because they were sent via a non-government domain hosted on an email server not controlled by the federal government. Conducting governmental business in this manner is a possible violation of the Presidential Records Act of 1978, and the Hatch Act. Over 5 million emails may have been lost or deleted. Greg Palast claims to have come up with 500 of the Karl Rove lost emails, leading to damaging allegations. In 2009, it was announced that as many as 22 million emails may have been deleted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy





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  posted on 10/15/2015 at 10:56 AM
personally I'm just gonna wait for the arrests and criminal trials. I'm sure they will start right after Obama's impeachment. until then I'm just not that interested anymore.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2015 at 11:03 AM
Hillary did nothing wrong. Everybody does it.
 

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  posted on 10/15/2015 at 11:14 AM
Hillary has done a lot wrong. That, however in no way minimizes the hypocritical sanctimony displayed by those who view Republicans as the embodiment of perfection by simply existing.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2015 at 11:30 AM
If you listened to the debate Bernie didn't forgive the email "scandal". All he said is that this Nation has bigger problems to deal with and that the next President has to address fixing this broken country.

 

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If you listened to the debate Bernie didn't forgive the email "scandal". All he said is that this Nation has bigger problems to deal with and that the next President has to address fixing this broken country.


And if Bernie is tired of hearing about it, then so must the rest of America and it MUST be time to move on. It's not important enough to worry about. Hear that, FBI?





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If you listened to the debate Bernie didn't forgive the email "scandal". All he said is that this Nation has bigger problems to deal with and that the next President has to address fixing this broken country.


And if Bernie is tired of hearing about it, then so must the rest of America and it MUST be time to move on. It's not important enough to worry about. Hear that, FBI?

I'm confident that you'll make sure we don't minimize here at least.

 

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If you listened to the debate Bernie didn't forgive the email "scandal". All he said is that this Nation has bigger problems to deal with and that the next President has to address fixing this broken country.


And if Bernie is tired of hearing about it, then so must the rest of America and it MUST be time to move on. It's not important enough to worry about. Hear that, FBI?

I'm confident that you'll make sure we don't minimize here at least.


No, I'm with Mr. Bernie. Our time would be better served with current topics like how Bush caused the subprime housing meltdown and destroyed the economy or maybe what happened in the Crusades?

 

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If you listened to the debate Bernie didn't forgive the email "scandal". All he said is that this Nation has bigger problems to deal with and that the next President has to address fixing this broken country.


And if Bernie is tired of hearing about it, then so must the rest of America and it MUST be time to move on. It's not important enough to worry about. Hear that, FBI?

I'm confident that you'll make sure we don't minimize here at least.


No, I'm with Mr. Bernie. Our time would be better served with current topics like how Bush caused the subprime housing meltdown and destroyed the economy or maybe what happened in the Crusades?

Is that what he was talking about during the debate when he tried to move past the Hilary email topic? Hmmmm, I must have been getting another beer at that point.

 

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  posted on 10/15/2015 at 01:39 PM
Not a member of my party? Then attack, insult, bring down - the qualities of a true leader.
 

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  posted on 10/16/2015 at 09:21 AM
My view is:

Hilary Clinton is scheduled to testify before the Benghazi committee on October 22. The proceedings will be televised. There are also a number of ongoing investigations on the server/ email affair and so there are numerous avenues through which the public can stay informed about this issue. Bernie would have been aware of all of the above.

Bernie probably detected public fatigue among Democrats on the Republican fixation over the emails and saw an opportunity to score some easy political points. Bernie’s people were already collecting money on the chivalry he displayed to Hillary before the debate was over. It was a great camera moment as Bernie very visibly took control. It was a very commanding display of leadership by Bernie.

It went so smoothly that the true master of theatrics Donald Trump immediately started to attack Bernie. Trump quickly said that Hillary won the debate as she has a lot of baggage he can exploit in the general. Why was Trump so generous towards Hillary? Trump would have a more difficult time against Bernie as Bernie has almost no BS about him that Trump can use to smear him.

An entanglement between Trump and Bernie would inevitably turn into the ultimate war between capitalism versus socialism. And since Bernie used Pope Francis as a supporter of the wealth redistribution programs he is advocating, the Trump/Bernie battle could easily escalate into a fight between the rich and poor, and between the forces of good and evil. This is a conversation that is long overdue.

I would agree that there is some kind of a broad plot afoot to ensure Hillary gets the nomination but it does not involve Bernie.

The important point here is the relationship between Hillary and Bill Clinton, and the Foundation and its international donors, but that has not really come up yet and I doubt it is related to the emails. Bill Clinton is not that stupid.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2015 at 09:37 AM
I agree with axeman. Bernie is a politician. At the end of the day, they are all the same. They take sides, say what they need to say, and once in office, the same wheel keeps spinning. A few dozen kindergarteners were killed in school and the so-called liberal progressive anti-gun agenda Obama did absolutely nothing. Zilch. Nada. If that's not proof that politics is all smoke and mirrors, then I don't know what is. I won't let Bernie or anyone else fool me into thinking they are somehow different. At this point I'll vote for whoever presents the best ideas to improve the economy.
 

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I agree with axeman. Bernie is a politician. At the end of the day, they are all the same. They take sides, say what they need to say, and once in office, the same wheel keeps spinning. A few dozen kindergarteners were killed in school and the so-called liberal progressive anti-gun agenda Obama did absolutely nothing. Zilch. Nada. If that's not proof that politics is all smoke and mirrors, then I don't know what is. I won't let Bernie or anyone else fool me into thinking they are somehow different. At this point I'll vote for whoever presents the best ideas to improve the economy.


The obvious choice would be Donald Trump on economic development but then even he capitulated when he submitted his tax plan and let the hedge funds off the hook.

The gun issue is a drag I would admit that. Bernie though is pro gun and very up front about it.

Bernie does have strong ideas on economic redistribution that may be a little idealistic and unattainable because of the power structure you refer to. If you feel that capitalism by itself has been a whopping success this would be a good reason not to support him.

You guys think this is all a ruse and at the age of 73 he has created this mad Marx like character to storm around the country pulling the wool over people's eyes?

 

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I agree with axeman. Bernie is a politician. At the end of the day, they are all the same. They take sides, say what they need to say, and once in office, the same wheel keeps spinning. A few dozen kindergarteners were killed in school and the so-called liberal progressive anti-gun agenda Obama did absolutely nothing. Zilch. Nada. If that's not proof that politics is all smoke and mirrors, then I don't know what is. I won't let Bernie or anyone else fool me into thinking they are somehow different. At this point I'll vote for whoever presents the best ideas to improve the economy.


The obvious choice would be Donald Trump on economic development but then even he capitulated when he submitted his tax plan and let the hedge funds off the hook.

The gun issue is a drag I would admit that. Bernie though is pro gun and very up front about it.

Bernie does have strong ideas on economic redistribution that may be a little idealistic and unattainable because of the power structure you refer to. If you feel that capitalism by itself has been a whopping success this would be a good reason not to support him.

You guys think this is all a ruse and at the age of 73 he has created this mad Marx like character to storm around the country pulling the wool over people's eyes?

Bernie is pro-gun and pro gun-control. They are not mutually exclusive.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2015 at 04:50 PM
You have to give Bernie credit; he really does believe in socialism. Often he throws out “Denmark, Norway and Sweden”; three very small countries that don’t have to pay for a national defense.

Curiously he never mentions Venezuela.



 

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You have to give Bernie credit; he really does believe in socialism. Often he throws out “Denmark, Norway and Sweden”; three very small countries that don’t have to pay for a national defense.

Curiously he never mentions Venezuela.



Why would he? Do you mention Uganda as an example when discussing capitalism?

 

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You have to give Bernie credit; he really does believe in socialism. Often he throws out “Denmark, Norway and Sweden”; three very small countries that don’t have to pay for a national defense.

Curiously he never mentions Venezuela.



Why would he? Do you mention Uganda as an example when discussing capitalism?

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You have to give Bernie credit; he really does believe in socialism. Often he throws out “Denmark, Norway and Sweden”; three very small countries that don’t have to pay for a national defense.

Curiously he never mentions Venezuela.



Why would he? Do you mention Uganda as an example when discussing capitalism?

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The very clear point flew right over your head.



No it didn't, but my response clearly went over yours.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2015 at 10:43 AM
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Bernie is pro-gun and pro gun-control. They are not mutually exclusive.


Bernie was on Bill Maher last night and that was a blast.

I prefer Bernie over any of the other candidates but I have to admit until the debate I just assumed Bernie's views on guns and gun control were pretty standard liberal fare.

Bernie has voted against gun control bills in the past and he voted against the Brady Bill and this is an issue Clinton will attack him on.

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When criticized by Hillary Clinton for voting against the Brady Bill, Sanders replied that “when we develop that consensus, we can finally, finally do something to address this issue.” Shortly thereafter, when former Maryland governor Martin O’Malley talked about his success in passing gun control legislation—despite facing a large contingency of conservative Democrats in his own state—Sanders argued that “the views on gun control in rural states are different than in urban states.” In his opinion, a president’s job must be “to bring people together around strong, common sense gun legislation.”


http://www.salon.com/2015/10/16/the_senator_who_couldnt_shoot_straight_what _bernie_sanders_gets_wrong_about_gun_control_partner/

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  posted on 10/17/2015 at 11:05 AM
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If you listened to the debate Bernie didn't forgive the email "scandal". All he said is that this Nation has bigger problems to deal with and that the next President has to address fixing this broken country.


Agreed.

But, Hillary said that it was legal for her to use her private email. The questions seem to be because she is privy and part decision maker in National Security Issues. Politicians should just keep their work lives and work email at work, and their personal lives and personal email at home. What doesn't get finished at the end of your work day starts tomorrow. For emergencies, have a red phone in your home that people can call you if there is a crisis. Use that phone ONLY for WORK EMERGENCIES if you are in the position that she was in. That way there is no need to use personal email, if something can't wait, let them call you and speak to you about it. SIMPLE.

 

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You have to give Bernie credit; he really does believe in socialism. Often he throws out “Denmark, Norway and Sweden”; three very small countries that don’t have to pay for a national defense.

Curiously he never mentions Venezuela.





Venezuela is not a model for any of Bernie's polices as it is basically a corrupt state which relies on its military to maintain order. The Venezuelan states also controls key industries but so did the fascist European states and they were right wing.

The Nordic countries are capitalist states which use the state structure to ensure each citizen has access to essential services such as health care and education. Bernie would like to tax the wealthiest US families to pay for free public education basically extending many of the services that already exist.

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If the tax increase were limited to just the 115,000 households in the top 0.1 percent, with an average income of $9.4 million, a 40 percent tax rate would produce $55 billion in extra revenue in its first year.

That would more than cover, for example, the estimated $47 billion cost of eliminating undergraduate tuition at all the country’s four-year public colleges and universities, as Senator Bernie Sanders has proposed, or Mrs. Clinton’s cheaper plan for a debt-free college degree, with money left over to help fund universal prekindergarten.

A tax rate of 45 percent on this select group raises $109 billion, more than enough to pay for the first year of a new $2,500 child tax credit introduced by Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida.



http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/17/business/putting-numbers-to-a-tax-increas e-for-the-rich.html?src=me&_r=0

Bernie has said there is no difference between what Pope Francis is advocating based on Biblical scripture and what he states he would do. It would be more accurate to say Bernie is acting in the spirit of Christianity than bringing up any comparison to Venezuela.


 

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