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  posted on 10/9/2015 at 10:02 AM
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And the beat goes on. Damn.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2015 at 10:18 AM
Metal detectors. Every public building, every entrance.
 

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  posted on 10/9/2015 at 10:19 AM
This is never going to change.

FBI Releases Data Showing Record Number Of September Gun Sales

EMMA COLTON

10:18 AM 10/08/2015

The FBI released data showing a record number of people across the country applied for background checks in the month of September, revealing gun sales were at an all time high.

According to the new data, 1,795,102 prospective gun owners were processed through the FBI’s National Instant Background Check System in September alone. This is a 23 percent increase from September 2014, when 335,739 fewer people filed for background checks.

The instant background check is a system gun sellers licensed under the Federal Firearms Licenses use before selling firearms. Cashiers check with the FBI via phone or computer before a transaction, and are instantly alerted whether a person is able to buy a gun based on criminal or other ineligible records. This spike in instant checks indicates firearm sales for the month of September were the highest in recent history.

Summer of 2015 overall has also shattered gun sales records according to the data. Between May and September of this year, a staggering 8,251,381 background checks were processed through the FBI. During the same months of 2014, nearly a million fewer checks were processed.

Since this data is based on background checks alone, gun sales are likely much higher than the number of checks because people can buy multiple firearms during one transaction, according to the FBI. (RELATED: White House Says Obama Is Considering Executive Action On Guns)

Though more and more Americans are exercising their Second Amendment rights, Democrats are still calling for drastic gun control overhauls. New York Sen. Chuck Schumer is leading a legislative initiative to crackdown on background checks to restrict the number of guns sold. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton vowed on the campaign trail that if elected she would take administrative action to implement tougher gun regulations.

“You’ve got people running for president on the other side who say, ‘well, you know, we just need more guns,'” Clinton said at a campaign even Wednesday. “The idea that you need more guns to stop people who are committing mass shootings is not only illogical but offensive.”

http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/08/fbi-releases-data-showing-record-number-o f-september-gun-sales/

 

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  posted on 10/9/2015 at 10:25 AM
stuff happens

 

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  posted on 10/9/2015 at 10:41 AM
Rock me like novocaine. I can't believe how numb I am to these ongoing tragedies.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2015 at 02:10 PM
How about another.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-southern-lockdown-shooting-camp us-article-1.2391581

 

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How about another.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/texas-southern-lockdown-shooting-camp us-article-1.2391581


The article says this is the third shooting on campus in the last two months. I guess the estimated 51 million firearms owned by the 25 million residents of Texas residents isn't enough to prevent this stuff...send more guns to Texas!!!!!

 

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  posted on 10/9/2015 at 03:01 PM
As horrible & tragic as these events are, they are just standard operating procedure now. The country will get to a point where no one will blink an eye because these events become the expected norm.

Guns guns everywhere.

On balance, why do these things not happen in other civilized countries of the world in the magnitude that we experience ...hmmm?

 

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  posted on 10/9/2015 at 03:18 PM
There are more stupid people in America. Period.

 

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Guns guns everywhere.


Except where they're really needed, like in gun free zones where these shootings
seem to take place. The whole concept of gun free zones needs to be re-thought.

 

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Guns guns everywhere.


Except where they're really needed, like in gun free zones where these shootings
seem to take place. The whole concept of gun free zones needs to be re-thought.

Yes. More guns in schools, churches, and gov't buildings, everywhere. In fact, maybe they should just be handing a glock with a high capacity mag to every student when they enter the school, and then they just turn them back in at the end of the day when they leave. Simple. More guns everywhere, yeah that's the ticket!

 

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Except where they're really needed, like in gun free zones where these shootings
seem to take place. The whole concept of gun free zones needs to be re-thought.
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Colleges - GUN FREE ZONES. Good idea.



 

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You sure about the accuracy of the gun free zone claim alloak?

I know you will attack the source but you should read the article first.

Take a look at this:

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The false conservative media talking point that Umpqua Community College (UCC) was a "gun-free zone" was frequently pushed on CNN and Fox News in the aftermath of an October 1 mass shooting where a gunman killed nine and wounded several others on the Roseburg, Oregon, campus.

Conservative media figures often claim that mass shootings tend to happen in so-called "gun-free zones" in order to advocate for less restrictive gun laws. In reality, most mass shootings occur where firearms are allowed, and a Mother Jones review of mass public shootings over a 30-year period concluded, "In not a single case was the killing stopped by a civilian using a gun. And in other recent (but less lethal) rampages in which armed civilians attempted to intervene, those civilians not only failed to stop the shooter but also were gravely wounded or killed."

Within the first two hours of breaking news reporting on the UCC shooting, claims that UCC was a "gun-free zone" began to appear on CNN and Fox News. The claim, however, was untrue under any reasonable definition of what a "gun-free zone" could be. According to a Newsweek interview of more than a dozen people connected with UCC, it was "common knowledge" that "many students carried guns" on UCC's campus.

Under Oregon law, individuals with concealed carry permits are allowed to carry guns on the grounds of public colleges and universities. Public colleges and universities can create a policy to not allow guns within campus buildings. UCC did not allow guns in buildings "except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations," which was apparently interpreted by students as allowing concealed carry with a lawfully issued permit.

As one student explained to Newsweek, "You are allowed to conceal and carry on that campus. It's not a gun-free zone":

"You are allowed to conceal and carry on that campus," said Umpqua student and part-time wildland firefighter Jeremy Smith, 24. "It's not a gun-free zone."

Smith said he would never return to campus without a handgun.

"I'm an avid gun owner," he said. "I carry, like just about anybody else does."

Although Oregon state law allows concealed weapons, Umpqua's student handbook says firearms are prohibited on college property "except as expressly authorized by law or college regulations."

The school includes firearms training in its criminal justice program for people accepted into a Police Reserve Academy. Students use the Roseburg Rod and Gun Club, a short drive from campus, to shoot or get help registering for a concealed-carry permit, an employee there said.

While there were two unarmed security guards at the sprawling campus, several current and former students said legally carrying concealed handguns was not unusual, particularly among the hundreds of military veterans who attend classes and frequent the Student Veterans Center.

News reports also established that there were indeed armed students on campus at the time of the shooting. A student who also happened to be a U.S. military veteran described on MSNBC why he and other veterans he was with decided not to intervene, explaining, "Not knowing where SWAT was on their response time, they wouldn't have known who we were, if we had our guns ready to shoot they could think we were bad guys."

Despite this plethora of evidence that UCC was not a "gun-free zone," CNN and Fox News continued to advance the falsehood in the week after the shooting.

According to a review of internal Media Matters video archives of coverage between October 1 and October 6, the "gun-free zone" falsehood as it relates to UCC was mentioned 23 times on Fox News, with just two instances where it was explained that UCC was not a "gun-free zone." The falsehood appeared 25 times on CNN, with four of those instances being debunked with accurate information.

By contrast, the falsehood was advanced just once on MSNBC without pushback, and in two instances the "gun-free zone" claim was pro-actively debunked without someone first pushing the myth:



Fox News ran 23 segments where it was claimed that UCC was a "gun-free zone." The claims came from Fox News reporters, hosts, guests and soundbites of GOP presidential candidates making the claim. The claim was debunked in only two cases.

In one of these instances, during the October 1 broadcast of The O'Reilly Factor, guest David Jaques, the publisher of the Roseburg Beacon News, explained "it's not a gun-free zone," citing a statement from UCC's past president.

False claims about UCC being a "gun-free zone" were not limited to conservative punditry on Fox News. During breaking news coverage of the shooting on October 1, Fox News correspondent and breaking news anchor Trace Gallagher falsely reported, "As we know, and have been reporting, Umpqua Community College is a gun-free zone."

On October 2, Fox News correspondent William La Jeunesse falsely reported UCC was a "gun-free zone" during several news reports. During the October 2 broadcast of Happening Now, La Jeunesse falsely reported, "This was a gun-free zone." Later on Outnumbered, La Jeunesse editorialized further, saying, "This was a gun-free zone, so the gunman had no fear of being shot himself by other students."

Several segments on Fox News included some attempt to explain Oregon law or UCC policy relating to guns, but still reached the false conclusion that the campus was a "gun-free zone."

CNN

CNN ran 25 segments that included claims that UCC was a "gun-free zone," with claims coming from CNN hosts, guests, and unchallenged soundbites of GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump pushing the falsehood during a speech.

In four instances, other on-air individuals corrected the claim that UCC was a "gun-free zone."

CNN figures who pushed the "gun-free zone" falsehood included anchors Brooke Baldwin, Carol Costello, and Suzanne Malveaux and national correspondent Deborah Feyerick.

During the early morning hours of October 2, CNN ran a report several times that erroneously reported UCC was "technically ... a gun-free zone" in a botched attempt to explain Oregon law and UCC policies.

MSNBC

The claim that UCC was a "gun-free zone" was made just once on MSNBC, by co-host Willie Geist during the October 2 broadcast of Morning Joe.

In two other instances, the notion that UCC was a "gun-free zone" was preemptively debunked, once by Mark Kelly, whose wife, then-Congresswoman Gabby Giffords (D-AZ), was wounded in a 2011 mass shooting, and once by MSNBC correspondent Jacob Soboroff who explained, "This was not a so-called gun-free zone" while relaying reports of concealed carry on campus and students who were carrying guns during the shooting.

Methodology

Media Matters reviewed internal video archives for MSNBC, CNN, and Fox News beginning at 2 P.M. EST on October 1 and ending at 11:59 P.M. EST on October 6, searching for the term "gun-free zone." Segments that included this term were reviewed to determine whether the claim that UCC was a "gun-free zone" was either advanced, debunked, or both advanced and debunked. Segments that referenced Oregon gun law or UCC gun policy but ultimately concluded that UCC was a "gun-free zone" were coded as "Segments Pushing 'Gun-Free Zones' Myth."

Chart by Craig Harrington.



http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/10/08/report-conservative-medias-gun-free -zone-myth-i/206037

 

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  posted on 10/10/2015 at 11:24 PM
Gun free zones are obviously the problem. They need to start allowing guns on airplanes ASAP. Otherwise who is going to stop all the bad guys with large bottles of shampoo and toothpaste.
 

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  posted on 10/11/2015 at 07:26 AM
The only way to reduce gun violence is for more people to have more guns. Makes sense to me. The only way to increase freedom is to enact more laws. The only way for people to have more money is to tax them more. Perfectly logical.

 

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Guns guns everywhere.


Except where they're really needed, like in gun free zones where these shootings
seem to take place. The whole concept of gun free zones needs to be re-thought.

Yes. More guns in schools, churches, and gov't buildings, everywhere. In fact, maybe they should just be handing a glock with a high capacity mag to every student when they enter the school, and then they just turn them back in at the end of the day when they leave. Simple. More guns everywhere, yeah that's the ticket!


OK, let's go with less guns. Starting tomorrow morning the millions of responsible gun
owners who would have never taken a human life will surrender their guns. Would that help
stop gun violence?

 

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Guns guns everywhere.


Except where they're really needed, like in gun free zones where these shootings
seem to take place. The whole concept of gun free zones needs to be re-thought.

Yes. More guns in schools, churches, and gov't buildings, everywhere. In fact, maybe they should just be handing a glock with a high capacity mag to every student when they enter the school, and then they just turn them back in at the end of the day when they leave. Simple. More guns everywhere, yeah that's the ticket!


OK, let's go with less guns. Starting tomorrow morning the millions of responsible gun
owners who would have never taken a human life will surrender their guns. Would that help
stop gun violence?

It might, but I have never suggested that.

 

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Guns guns everywhere.


Except where they're really needed, like in gun free zones where these shootings
seem to take place. The whole concept of gun free zones needs to be re-thought.

Yes. More guns in schools, churches, and gov't buildings, everywhere. In fact, maybe they should just be handing a glock with a high capacity mag to every student when they enter the school, and then they just turn them back in at the end of the day when they leave. Simple. More guns everywhere, yeah that's the ticket!


OK, let's go with less guns. Starting tomorrow morning the millions of responsible gun
owners who would have never taken a human life will surrender their guns. Would that help
stop gun violence?

It might, but I have never suggested that.

I have. You are much more likely to kill or injure yourself, a family member, or someone you know with a gun in the house than you are to stop a crime or prevent tyranny. Limit personal weapons to single shot hunting rifles and shotguns with a 5 shell payload. Start a program of voluntarily surrendering of all other weapons or face jail time in a three year period. Any crime committed with a firearm carries an additional 5 years of prison time. Any person found in position of a restricted firearm after the three year period gets an automatic five years in prison per firearm. In 20 years you will have changed the wild west gun culture of the US and greatly reduce the amount of gun violence. Don't get excited; it will never happen. We, as a culture, are perfectly fine with the level of gun violence in our country. Its just stuff that happens and is well worth the satisfaction we get from cleaning our weapons and firing our guns.

 

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Guns guns everywhere.


Except where they're really needed, like in gun free zones where these shootings
seem to take place. The whole concept of gun free zones needs to be re-thought.

Yes. More guns in schools, churches, and gov't buildings, everywhere. In fact, maybe they should just be handing a glock with a high capacity mag to every student when they enter the school, and then they just turn them back in at the end of the day when they leave. Simple. More guns everywhere, yeah that's the ticket!


OK, let's go with less guns. Starting tomorrow morning the millions of responsible gun
owners who would have never taken a human life will surrender their guns. Would that help
stop gun violence?

It might, but I have never suggested that.

I have. You are much more likely to kill or injure yourself, a family member, or someone you know with a gun in the house than you are to stop a crime or prevent tyranny. Limit personal weapons to single shot hunting rifles and shotguns with a 5 shell payload. Start a program of voluntarily surrendering of all other weapons or face jail time in a three year period. Any crime committed with a firearm carries an additional 5 years of prison time. Any person found in position of a restricted firearm after the three year period gets an automatic five years in prison per firearm. In 20 years you will have changed the wild west gun culture of the US and greatly reduce the amount of gun violence. Don't get excited; it will never happen. We, as a culture, are perfectly fine with the level of gun violence in our country. Its just stuff that happens and is well worth the satisfaction we get from cleaning our weapons and firing our guns.

Well, Doug, you might be on to something.

http://nesn.com/2015/10/fan-shot-in-head-after-patriots-cowboys-game-airlif ted-to-hospital/

 

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  posted on 10/12/2015 at 08:05 AM
Guns are just like I-Phones in this country now. Gun lovers have to have the new model when it comes out with all the bells and whistles and plenty of ammo. Probably one of the biggest money making businesses around.

 

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Except where they're really needed, like in gun free zones where these shootings
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Yeah, that will work. Throw more guns and more amateur shooters into the situation to cause even more confusion with bullets flying from every direction. Some shots fired at the shooters trying to help who are mistaken for the original shooter. How do law enforcement know who the bad guy shooter is if multiple people are shooting??? Do they just shoot everyone with a gun?

 

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  posted on 10/12/2015 at 09:28 AM
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Guns guns everywhere.


Except where they're really needed, like in gun free zones where these shootings
seem to take place. The whole concept of gun free zones needs to be re-thought.

Yes. More guns in schools, churches, and gov't buildings, everywhere. In fact, maybe they should just be handing a glock with a high capacity mag to every student when they enter the school, and then they just turn them back in at the end of the day when they leave. Simple. More guns everywhere, yeah that's the ticket!


OK, let's go with less guns. Starting tomorrow morning the millions of responsible gun
owners who would have never taken a human life will surrender their guns. Would that help
stop gun violence?

It might, but I have never suggested that.

I have. You are much more likely to kill or injure yourself, a family member, or someone you know with a gun in the house than you are to stop a crime or prevent tyranny. Limit personal weapons to single shot hunting rifles and shotguns with a 5 shell payload. Start a program of voluntarily surrendering of all other weapons or face jail time in a three year period. Any crime committed with a firearm carries an additional 5 years of prison time. Any person found in position of a restricted firearm after the three year period gets an automatic five years in prison per firearm. In 20 years you will have changed the wild west gun culture of the US and greatly reduce the amount of gun violence. Don't get excited; it will never happen. We, as a culture, are perfectly fine with the level of gun violence in our country. Its just stuff that happens and is well worth the satisfaction we get from cleaning our weapons and firing our guns.


How would you feel about penalizing millions upon millions of responsible gun owners
who will 1) Never have a gun accident, and 2) never take a life with a firearm? Sure
life isn't perfect, guns are dangerous, and bad things happen, but the fact remains that
the odds are simply overwhelming that no individual misfortune comes to pass.


 

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Guns guns everywhere.


Except where they're really needed, like in gun free zones where these shootings
seem to take place. The whole concept of gun free zones needs to be re-thought.

Yes. More guns in schools, churches, and gov't buildings, everywhere. In fact, maybe they should just be handing a glock with a high capacity mag to every student when they enter the school, and then they just turn them back in at the end of the day when they leave. Simple. More guns everywhere, yeah that's the ticket!


OK, let's go with less guns. Starting tomorrow morning the millions of responsible gun
owners who would have never taken a human life will surrender their guns. Would that help
stop gun violence?

It might, but I have never suggested that.

I have. You are much more likely to kill or injure yourself, a family member, or someone you know with a gun in the house than you are to stop a crime or prevent tyranny. Limit personal weapons to single shot hunting rifles and shotguns with a 5 shell payload. Start a program of voluntarily surrendering of all other weapons or face jail time in a three year period. Any crime committed with a firearm carries an additional 5 years of prison time. Any person found in position of a restricted firearm after the three year period gets an automatic five years in prison per firearm. In 20 years you will have changed the wild west gun culture of the US and greatly reduce the amount of gun violence. Don't get excited; it will never happen. We, as a culture, are perfectly fine with the level of gun violence in our country. Its just stuff that happens and is well worth the satisfaction we get from cleaning our weapons and firing our guns.


How would you feel about penalizing millions upon millions of responsible gun owners
who will 1) Never have a gun accident, and 2) never take a life with a firearm? Sure
life isn't perfect, guns are dangerous, and bad things happen, but the fact remains that
the odds are simply overwhelming that no individual misfortune comes to pass.

I don't know about Doug, but speaking for myself I would say that if this kind of radical plan is what it takes to save lives, then I would not feel bad about "penalizing" them in the least. It is all just hypothetical though so it doesn't matter how you or I or anyone would feel.


[Edited on 10/12/2015 by gondicar]

 

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