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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 12:14 PM
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all of a sudden 4 gates were clapping out Not Fade Away

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 12:15 PM
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Watching and admiring these three shows makes me rue the lack of direction and initiative on the part of ABB and their organization that precluded a similarly dignified and stylish farewell of their own last year...good ol' grateful dead....


I went to the two last ABB shows. They were absolutely dignified and certainly did not lack style.

If I had my choice of the 3 shows in Chicago celebrating the Grateful Dead or the last two ABB shows I'd choose the ABB in the Beacon.

Through in the 2 West Coast shows and I think I'd still choose those final two ABB shows.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 12:24 PM
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I guess the same points could be made about ABB and Duane.


Bingo! And Dickie and the others who came/went.

Having just returned from all 5 shows, I can say one thing: It was good to be back at shows again. People (like me) needed some closure and we sure got it in spades! The band sounded great, only repeated 2 songs, did their best, had a blast and made us all proud. Sure Trey is not Jerry, but that wasn't why we went. Not to dis anyone, but if you watched the show instead of attended, then you missed a HUGE part of why this was happening and can't/don't understand.
And the fans, well, if you were in the airport with me yesterday and all of a sudden 4 gates were clapping out Not Fade Away and everyone was hugging and high fiving even though planes were delayed and people were trying to get back, well it would have brought a tear to your eye.

And as for ticket prices, here's some news: Don't ever pay over cost. Don't ever sell over cost. I went to Chicago with NO tickets. I bought a $75 Friday night, a $65 Saturday night and got 2 freebies for Sunday!! All because THAT'S what being a deadhead is all about. I mentioned that buying/selling at cost is all I've ever done in the lobby of the Hyatt and 15 people all told me the same thing. We look out for each other. As do my ABB peeps. Be Kind!


i definitely get what you are saying.In fact,my wife and i,while watching,commented on the cool vibe and feel that must be taking place at the shows and around them.We felt,despite watching on PPV,that something nice and special was going on.

but,that vibe and feeling,while amplified by excellent musicians and songs,was not the Grateful Dead.I say this in context of what you said(& i agree)about a wonderful atmosphere of kindness,brother and sister hood.Mickey spoke beautifully about taking some of this kindness out to the world...we all can use to give it & get it.

i realize,like taste,this is a very personal and individual decision,but the entire sound,tone,rhythm,feel of the band are different when Garcia was part of it.His,was a signature sound that defined that band.He and Phil were the two master musicians in the band and they were locked together-like Duane & Berry.And,yes,there are people who are Alllmans fans who never really got into it again,in the same way,after they were gone.

For close to 20 years i've seen Phil & Friends and Further,and now all of these shows.I've enjoyed these shows and all the Dead related shows over these years.None,imho,were or are the Grateful Dead.Simply put,they sound and feel different to me.But,the vibe and good feelings...that's eternal like all of the music that accompanies our lives.Let's keep it going!

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 12:42 PM
The vibe was great and the music was mostly great.

I covered all three Chicago shows and wrote them up on my blog if you're interested:

www.alanpaul.net/blog

Will try to write up something about the similarities and differences to the ABB final shows... Feel very honored to have attended and reported on both.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 01:02 PM



I went to the two last ABB shows. They were absolutely dignified and certainly did not lack style.



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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 01:27 PM
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http://ultimateclassicrock.com/grateful-dead-last-fare-thee-well-set-list-p hotos/#photogallery-1=20

Jerry...See photo 10!


I may make this into a poster.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 01:28 PM
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Will try to write up something about the similarities and differences to the ABB final shows... Feel very honored to have attended and reported on both.


I'm looking forward to reading that Alan.

The events themselves were really dissimilar, but the institutions, the bands, the fans have a lot in common.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 04:42 PM
dadof2, I don't think anyone really considers these shows "the Grateful Dead," and I see what you mean about Garcia being irreplaceable.

But let me throw this out there: For my money, of all the post-Jerry Dead-related projects, this is the one that FELT the most like the Grateful Dead to me.

I'm not even saying these shows were the "best" since Jerry died. Phil's voice was awful, Bobby was all over the place at times, and there are plenty of Phil and Friends shows that were much "better" from a musicianship and tightness standpoint than the Fare Thee Well shows.

But there was just that certain something about the FTW shows, a vibe to the jams, that really hit the note to me. It could be sloppy at times, but so were many Dead shows, especially in the 80s and 90s. Whatever it was that I always felt was "missing" from the Dead, or Furthur, was more there at Fare Thee Well.

I guess I'll have to disagree with shep66. The "spirit of the music" was there in full force at these shows, in my opinion.

 
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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 05:08 PM
Bingo to all Rob just said. I was there for all 3. They felt like Dead shows! Doesn't mean they were as good, or other outfits haven't been better, but...

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 05:36 PM
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dadof2, I don't think anyone really considers these shows "the Grateful Dead," (quote)

Rob-i may be wasting too much time online these days but there have been numerous debates on myriad websites with insane arguments of is this the Dead or not? So,Rob i think many consider these shows the "Grateful Dead".To you and me it may be obvious but we must be smarter

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 05:40 PM
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Bingo to all Rob just said. I was there for all 3. They felt like Dead shows! Doesn't mean they were as good, or other outfits haven't been better, but...



agree-even watching on PPV they felt like Dead shows-till the music started.Then,they were excellent musicians playing excellent songs with a spirit that exuded Grateful Dead.But,listening,even not too carefully,it was so not the Grateful Dead.Yet,it felt great,sounded great and we had a great time participating in our way!

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 05:56 PM
if i may add a point.....i never saw Duane.So when i saw the Allmans it was the Dickey/Chuck/Lamar era.To me it was musical ecstasy.To the friends i had who saw Duane,they loved the "new" band and the music,but it clearly wasn't the same.Many of those same friends never accepted the Warren & Derek era,even at its best.To be the ABB in their view,Duane(and Berry to many) needed to be in the band.It can feel like the Brothers but to them,it wasn't.

I guess,after so many years,so many times,and so many roads with Jerry(and with so many different keyboard players) that's how i feel about Jerry's place in the Dead and Fare Thee Well.Great music (and i can go further than my friends who said,w/o Duane it can't feel like the ABB),it felt like the good vibe was there,and it was.Between people surrounded by other people extending good feelings,love,kindness...that was felt and it truly emanated from what we saw and felt ourselves.People getting along...some good ole decency between people...something we all need to give and get in droves-decency,kindness,love,caring....but that feeling can exist,as the music can in our daily lives and the way in which we carry the beat in how we love and extend kindness to others.all good stuff.

so,Rob & Al--i made my points about the music---but in the spirit of the music i intended no disrespect to you...merely expressing an opinion,bit always fearful,given the internet lack of nuance that my intent will be misjudged...

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 06:05 PM
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if i may add a point.....i never saw Duane.So when i saw the Allmans it was the Dickey/Chuck/Lamar era.To me it was musical ecstasy.To the friends i had who saw Duane,they loved the "new" band and the music,but it clearly wasn't the same.Many of those same friends never accepted the Warren & Derek era,even at its best.To be the ABB in their view,Duane(and Berry to many) needed to be in the band.It can feel like the Brothers but to them,it wasn't.

I guess,after so many years,so many times,and so many roads with Jerry(and with so many different keyboard players) that's how i feel about Jerry's place in the Dead and Fare Thee Well.Great music (and i can go further than my friends who said,w/o Duane it can't feel like the ABB),it felt like the good vibe was there,and it was.Between people surrounded by other people extending good feelings,love,kindness...that was felt and it truly emanated from what we saw and felt ourselves.People getting along...some good ole decency between people...something we all need to give and get in droves-decency,kindness,love,caring....but that feeling can exist,as the music can in our daily lives and the way in which we carry the beat in how we love and extend kindness to others.all good stuff.

so,Rob & Al--i made my points about the music---but in the spirit of the music i intended no disrespect to you...merely expressing an opinion,bit always fearful,given the internet lack of nuance that my intent will be misjudged...


Basically agree; and a lot of what I tried to say above.

I have maintained for years that if Dickey hadn't been faxed out of the band the ABB would have been playing 70 minute sets at Westbury for the last ten years. the Derek/Warren/Oteil trio allowed 2 1/2 hr shows by stretching it past Gregg's endurance. Was it the ABB? Hell; it was the best ABB we'd ever get a chance to see. Trey/Hornsby did the same thing for these shows. I know Further and Phil & Friends did long shows; but they often were not at the same level of musicianship. If Jerry was alive I don't know that he's be up to 2 1/2 hrs with the weight on his shoulders.

So people paid good money; they heard good music. Let it end there. A bunch of people are sounding like they'd be f88ng their second wife - and making the mistake of saying you are not as good as the first one

 

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As an ABB fan (first and foremost) and a definite GD fan too, this last year has been quite the emotional end game for all of their fans.

Hard to compare the different eras. For ABB fans, the reality has been that most ABB fans never saw Duane Allman, and it was Dickey Betts who was their "connection" to the live band. For GD fans, Garcia was around for 30 years playing upwards of 2,000 shows. Imagine if Duane played 2,000 shows! So GD fans, and their scene were more connected over time. After Jerry's death, the band toured as the Other Ones, even called themselves the Dead but not Grateful. So they were kind of laying back on the marketing of the GD name, which I greatly respected. By the way, the Phil and Friends incarnations have produced some of the most interesting and innovative playing I have heard, including the ABB and the GD. That aside, this event definitely felt like a GD event because they didn't deny it. They advertised it as such. I think even they were surprised at the enormity of the response, look at the crowds and all the people paying for it at home and in theatres. Wow! The ABB, who were bigger than the Dead at various points could never attract that kind of crowd or party.

I thought that the core four really did this right, in spite of the cries of rip off and money gathering. Who could deny them what people were willing to pay or do to see them?

...and I thought Trey Anastasio was absolutely the right guy for this gig. He really stepped into a virtually impossible situation (GD fans are so hard to please, and they had no warm up tour) to play these big shows and nail it.

Good for them. We have a ton of tapes and shows to listen to the good 'ole GD

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 07:46 PM
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As an ABB fan (first and foremost) and a definite GD fan too, this last year has been quite the emotional end game for all of their fans.

Hard to compare the different eras. For ABB fans, the reality has been that most ABB fans never saw Duane Allman, and it was Dickey Betts who was their "connection" to the live band. For GD fans, Garcia was around for 30 years playing upwards of 2,000 shows. Imagine if Duane played 2,000 shows! So GD fans, and their scene were more connected over time. After Jerry's death, the band toured as the Other Ones, even called themselves the Dead but not Grateful. So they were kind of laying back on the marketing of the GD name, which I greatly respected. By the way, the Phil and Friends incarnations have produced some of the most interesting and innovative playing I have heard, including the ABB and the GD. That aside, this event definitely felt like a GD event because they didn't deny it. They advertised it as such. I think even they were surprised at the enormity of the response, look at the crowds and all the people paying for it at home and in theatres. Wow! The ABB, who were bigger than the Dead at various points could never attract that kind of crowd or party.

I thought that the core four really did this right, in spite of the cries of rip off and money gathering. Who could deny them what people were willing to pay or do to see them?

...and I thought Trey Anastasio was absolutely the right guy for this gig. He really stepped into a virtually impossible situation (GD fans are so hard to please, and they had no warm up tour) to play these big shows and nail it.

Good for them. We have a ton of tapes and shows to listen to the good 'ole GD


This pretty much sums it up. Glad everyone had fun and I guess that is the goal of any of these experiences, regardless of price.

 

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  posted on 7/7/2015 at 08:25 PM
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That aside, this event definitely felt like a GD event because they didn't deny it. They advertised it as such.


I didn't think they ever called this band the Grateful Dead. Am I wrong?

It is only semantics, but I think they were still honoring Jerry by calling this a Celebration of the Grateful Dead and referring to the other band members as the Core Four.

 

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  posted on 7/8/2015 at 08:28 AM
ABB did justice to their legacy at virtually the last minute, in spite of themselves, because they couldn't escape the moment of truth facing them. It was an appropriate ending to a sequence of events that found them and their equally dysfunctional organization running from their destiny instead of embracing it.
 

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  posted on 7/8/2015 at 08:52 AM
I heard nothing but positive reviews all weekend. At home it was easy to dissect the music and find the inevitable faults but I still enjoyed it. Someone else mentioned and I agee that there's no need to listen to it again though.

It was nice and although I've enjoyed seeing the remaining members of the GD in intimate venues since Garcia died, there's the element of 70,000 people going crazy in a stadium that I didn't think I would miss but I did indeed think it would have been cool to be there. Especially since the crowd seemed so energized and focused on the music and not just playing with their phones all night...

People love to compare the two bands for whatever reasons. I think there's more in common among the fan bases than the bands themselves but to me it boils down to right now, as fun as this past weekend was, I'm going to listen to a Dave's Picks from 72 or whenever over anything post Garcia. Maybe Phil's early lineups get some play in my house but it always goes back to the originals.

For the ABB...... I find myself constantly going for the recent shows. No Duane or Dickey and the music still seems so fresh and vital. Worth listening to over and over IMO along with the orginal line up. One day it's fillmore 71, the next day it's Beacon 14. There's no other classic band I feel that way about. Too bad it's over......

 

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  posted on 7/8/2015 at 09:44 AM
As mentioned before, the Neal Casal set break music that was commissioned specially for this event was absolutely fantastic. Completely groovy instrumental stuff, if anyone's interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0VaD8xvLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hpljcwjBRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl11ag1e92g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2yunPjC_C8

 

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  posted on 7/8/2015 at 05:10 PM
dadof2, I appreciate your thoughtful response. As always you are a kind and intelligent soul--who let you on the Internet?

If you are comparing Fare Thee Well to actual, certified Grateful Dead With Jerry Garcia, of course it's not the same thing. I thought that went without saying.

Where I thought these shows were an absolute triumph is that they were the most interesting, most Dead-like, most special shows from the Dead circle since Jerry passed. To me, that is about as high a bar as any reasonable person could have expected from these shows, so I consider them a rousing success.

I also have to admit, as a big Trey fan, this was like watching your favorite athlete win the Super Bowl In a virtually impossible situation, with a lot of pressure on him to deliver the goods, he came through in a big way. So glad to see him earn respect from so many. That's my boy!

 
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  posted on 7/9/2015 at 08:40 AM
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As mentioned before, the Neal Casal set break music that was commissioned specially for this event was absolutely fantastic. Completely groovy instrumental stuff, if anyone's interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0VaD8xvLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hpljcwjBRc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl11ag1e92g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2yunPjC_C8


Thank you for the links. I wanted to delve into these a bit more.

As for fare Thee Well, I saw it as a celebration and nothing less. Didn't expect musical Nirvana except to hear the songs in some form again.

I also find it interesting that folks said the Allmans (my favorite band) went out with dignity. Unless you are referring solely to the final Beacon shows, it was a bit of a cluster in those waning months. Having said that, it's done, and these finales will just be a part of the fabric of the bands' legacies.

Still haven't listened to that final Allman show, though. It's sitting in a folder on my desktop. I'm going on vacation in a week, camping by a lake. Maybe I'll spin it up there.

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  posted on 7/9/2015 at 10:16 AM
Blooby I was referring to the final two shows that I attended. I've listened to both of those shows many, many times. I think "dignity" is an appropriate description of how the band honored their career with those last two shows.

Listen to that final show and I think you will agree. It was a beautiful, beautiful final evening with the Allman Brothers Band.

 

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  posted on 7/9/2015 at 11:07 AM
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Blooby I was referring to the final two shows that I attended. I've listened to both of those shows many, many times. I think "dignity" is an appropriate description of how the band honored their career with those last two shows.

Listen to that final show and I think you will agree. It was a beautiful, beautiful final evening with the Allman Brothers Band.


Gotcha. Yes, I've heard nothing but accolades about the final run.

Not to be wimpy, but each time I start the last show, I turn it off because I guess I'm just not ready for it. A silly thing I know, but I guess it's the manifestation of my resistance to close a chapter in my life. That last statement in itself is ridiculous because the music will always be there. You can surmise what I mean, though.

One of these days...

Peace.

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  posted on 7/9/2015 at 06:34 PM
I'm so glad I saw the last show at the theatre simulcast. There was nothing like seeing these guys standing about 40' tall right in front of me on the Big screen and powerful surround system.And they began with my 2 favourite songs...couldn't have been much better than that.It was apparently the only night they played "I know You Rider".
I'm not sure if many other people could notice the missed cues on the later songs but it was clear as day with the excellent multiple cameras & the Big screen. That was an interesting sideshow though I felt bad when Bob Weir kept lifting his guitar to his chest as Trey played on to get him to either shift or end the song.It was embarrassing. What was really uncomfortable was when Weir finally walked across the stage to (what looked like chastise Trey) from what I could see. Trey changed his whole approach & demeaner after that for sure & kept looking over at Bob for cues the rest of the 1st set. But it was a great show and a great feel for the whole thing and I'm really glad I witnessed it.Now I'm hooked on the Dead again & can't wait to see Weir again....not fade awayyyyy.....

 
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