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  posted on 6/28/2015 at 08:49 PM
Well there has been some passionate debates regarding the Confederate flag with some mention of the Nazi flag in the discussions.

So how does everyone feel about this guy who seems to have an obsession with Nazi Memorabilia. After Well there has been some passionate debates regarding the Confederate flag with some mention of the Nazi flag in the discussions.

So how does everyone feel about this guy who seems to have an obsession with Nazi Memorabilia. After readng the article he does not seem to be a neo Nazi type but just has a collecting obsession with this part of history

Should he create a museum to display this as it is part of history or should this part of history be buried forever?

Would you go to his museum if he opened one?



http://nypost.com/20...azi-collection/





[Edited on 6/29/2015 by Bill_Graham]

 

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  posted on 6/28/2015 at 09:56 PM
Lemmy [motorhead] collects nazi memoribilia

 

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  posted on 6/29/2015 at 04:53 PM
I haven't heard anyone suggest there should be restrictions on what individuals can own or display. The discussion has been about what is appropriate to be displayed on public property.

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  posted on 6/29/2015 at 09:46 PM
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I haven't heard anyone suggest there should be restrictions on what individuals can own or display. The discussion has been about what is appropriate to be displayed on public property.

[Edited on 6/29/2015 by bob1954]


I think a lot depends on the way they are displayed. I don't think anyone would take kindly to visiting a plantation and having instruments of torture displayed with positive comments about the "good old days." History is history; racism is racism

 

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  posted on 6/30/2015 at 11:55 AM
You can visit all the death camps in Europe and see how it was. You can go to Yad Vashem in ISrael or the National Holocaust Museum in Washignton D.C. to see how it was.

As for this individual, he has the right to do whatever he wants.

 

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  posted on 6/30/2015 at 12:26 PM
For sure ok, actually an important educational experience, as long as they don't try to make it a funtime theme park, Disneyshwitz. Here's the Boxcar Ride, for example, not cool. Unless they could make a virtual experience so terrifying that it would program the ignorant into a realization of horror so deep that they developed a humane historic outlook where before they were just a modern matrix coppertop with no link to past or future.
 

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  posted on 6/30/2015 at 07:40 PM
I have some U.S Calvary artifacts from the 1870's. They murdered 1000's of natives for decades. Let's give that some outcry as well.

[Edited on 7/1/2015 by gotdrumz]

 

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  posted on 6/30/2015 at 07:45 PM
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I have some U.S Calvary artifacts from the 1870's. They murdered 1000's of natives for decades. Let's give that some outcry as well.

[Edited on 7/1/2015 by gotdrumz]


Its different if you display them in an exhibit talking about the inferior red race

 

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I have some U.S Calvary artifacts from the 1870's. They murdered 1000's of natives for decades. Let's give that some outcry as well.

[Edited on 7/1/2015 by gotdrumz]


Its different if you display them in an exhibit talking about the inferior red race

 

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  posted on 6/30/2015 at 08:12 PM
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I have some U.S Calvary artifacts from the 1870's. They murdered 1000's of natives for decades. Let's give that some outcry as well.

[Edited on 7/1/2015 by gotdrumz]


I don't think anyone disagrees the Native Americans got the shaft and that there should be more outrage over their treatment but you don't think the Holocaust and the extermination of millions of Jews might have a little more impact on today's society especially considering there are still survivors alive today?

 

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  posted on 6/30/2015 at 08:23 PM
I knew an aushwitz survivor personally, his name was Leon Krug. he still had the numeric tattoo on his forearm. gave me chills to see it.





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  posted on 7/6/2015 at 03:00 PM
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considering there are still survivors alive today?


You don't think that the treatment of First Nations people since first contact isn't still resonating in their communities today? You might want to visit a reservation for more then cheap fireworks and a pull on a slot machine.



 

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  posted on 7/8/2015 at 10:58 PM
exactly! you nailed it. folks out east seem to think native americans dont exist. The theft of Indian land continues to this day. And ripping off their land base is genocide.

1911 wasnt so long ago:



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  posted on 7/9/2015 at 08:26 AM
Nice job taking my post out of context BR. How about quoting the whole post where I acknowledge that the Native Americans got royally screwed and are still being treated poorly.

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I don't think anyone disagrees the Native Americans got the shaft and that there should be more outrage over their treatment


If your going to criticize me at least be accurate instead of cherry picking to suit your agenda.

[Edited on 7/9/2015 by Bill_Graham]

 

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  posted on 7/10/2015 at 12:07 PM
Who pissed in your wheaties this morning? Was responding to your assertion that the Jewish Holocaust was somehow more relevant than the ongoing genocide of the Native American. I happen to disagree. No cherry picking or agenda involved at all, just a direct reply to a comment you made, that I did not misunderstand. If you can't handle disagreement, maybe you better avoid this forum.
 

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Who pissed in your wheaties this morning? Was responding to your assertion that the Jewish Holocaust was somehow more relevant than the ongoing genocide of the Native American. I happen to disagree. No cherry picking or agenda involved at all, just a direct reply to a comment you made, that I did not misunderstand. If you can't handle disagreement, maybe you better avoid this forum.


You made it a point to take a shot at me with your comments about "folks out east not knowing Indians exist" which I take offense to. I clearly stated Indians got screwed and agreed there should be more outrage on how they were and still are being treated.

My only point was the Holocaust was a large event where millions of Jews were killed over the span of a few years. It resonates with people all over the World due to the scale of the atrocity and that fact that it happened recent enough that survivors are still alive to spark human consciousness.

I have no issue with you disagreeing with me but no need to be condescending about it.

Besides the fact that the point about Indians has nothing to do with my OP. There are plenty of indigenous populations around the world who have been screwed throughout history so where is your outrage for them?



[Edited on 7/10/2015 by Bill_Graham]

 

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considering there are still survivors alive today?


You don't think that the treatment of First Nations people since first contact isn't still resonating in their communities today? You might want to visit a reservation for more then cheap fireworks and a pull on a slot machine.






No doubt Leaf and nobody said the Indians weren't screwed my friend my only point is the Holocaust was a new level of atrocity in a short period of time in recent history which is still fresh in everyone's minds.

American Indians were not rounded up and killed by the millions over a period of several years like the Jews so their mistreatment is sadly not as obvious and shocking to people. Both are sad events in world history but the holocaust is just hard for people to get their arms around I think due to the shocking scale of it all.

I completely agree there should be more outrage in America about the treatment of American Indians. But in fairness this really has nothing to do with my OP which was simply to gauge opinions on this mans Nazi memorabilia collection.


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I think the number of Native Americans killed by European Explorers and Conquistadors dwarfs the number of Jews killed in that holocaust. I've seen the number but at 80 - 100 million Natives killed by violence and disease.

I understand that more people are aware of the Jewish holocaust. But, isn't that in large part due to the Native American holocaust being largely left out of our history?

Didn't the Pope just apologize for the murders and subjugation of Native Peoples by the Catholic Church.

My only point is that both holocausts are shameful chapters in the history of human kind and are burdens born by the white man.

I have no idea why we celebrate Columbus Day.

[Edited on 7/10/2015 by BillyBlastoff]

 

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  posted on 7/10/2015 at 02:20 PM
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folks out east seem to think native americans dont exist.

Not sure where that comes from. Not only do we know they exist, many of us interact with native tribes and their members professionally and personally on a regular basis. Many of us also attended high schools with native American names or mascots (that can be a good thing or a bad thing, depending on your perspective, I myself went to Algonquin Regional High School). For about 10 years I lived in Carrabassett Valley, Maine (an Abenaki name) in a home that was bordered on 3 sides by land owned by the Penobscot Indian Nation (most of the town that isn't private home lots or private businesses is owned by the tribe) and I would often encounter tribal members while hiking/biking/hunting/fishing. I've also worked with local tribes on various projects involving land use and tourism and schools. I know I am just one example (before alloak jumps on me), but I'm certainly not unique in this regard, very far from it.

Native Americans may not make up as much of the population out east, but that doesn't mean we don't think they exist.



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I think the number of Native Americans killed by European Explorers and Conquistadors dwarfs the number of Jews killed in that holocaust. I've seen the number but at 80 - 100 million Natives killed by violence and disease.

I understand that more people are aware of the Jewish holocaust. But, isn't that in large part due to the Native American holocaust being largely left out of our history?

Didn't the Pope just apologize for the murders and subjugation of Native Peoples by the Catholic Church.

My only point is that both holocausts are shameful chapters in the history of human kind and are burdens born by the white man.

I have no idea why we celebrate Columbus Day.

[Edited on 7/10/2015 by BillyBlastoff]


Good post Billy, to my original point IMHO the Holocaust seems to have had more impact on people psyche due to it happening in reasonably recent history and the fact that it was perpetuated in such a short time frame.

In addition there is plenty of visual records in photos and film from the camps that are constantly played on PBS and the History channel not to mention there are still survivors to remind people.

The treatment of the American Indians is no less tragic but seems to be more subtle in nature, not to mention your point about history books glossing over their treatment, and I don't think many people realize how badly they were screwed by the U.S. Government even to this day.

 

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The treatment of the American Indians is no less tragic but seems to be more subtle in nature


There you go again! Keep digging, I have a Mandarin language course on tape you can use when you reach China.

And Gondicar, just because you are aware of and appreciate Native American history and culture doesn't mean the majority does. The "out east" comment was stupid, I admit, it is the same out here. And then of the folks who are aware of Native Americans, a large percent of them are simply racist about it. But still, I have seen that most people are very unaware.

 

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  posted on 7/10/2015 at 06:35 PM
The Jewish Holocaust is OVER. The subjugation, assimilation, humiliation, and elimination of Native American people and culture continues to this day. Both things are very bad, but one is STILL HAPPENING. Nothing subtle about it. Do you have any notion of the land rights struggles all over the Americas? No you don't , or you wouldn't get so ignorantly defensive and touchy about my comments which were mild and only slightly barbed. So, here is the real barb. I submit that you know next to nothing about modern Native American land rights struggles, and don't feel bad because that puts you right in the 99.9999999% of Americans who don't know jack about it.

The land grabs continue, the pitiful reservations continue (our Indian reservation system was the inspiration for Hitler's round up and corralling of the Jews, btw).

and how was my stupid overstatement "folks out east don't seem to think Native Americans exist" any worse than "you might want to go to a reservation for something other than cheap fireworks"?
You didn't get all bent out of shape over that, and that was a pretty solid Whippin Post lash!. I never said you didn't give a d*mn about Native America, most people who give it a second thought feel awful about that stain on our history... I was just making the point that this is still going on, and most people don't know, or don't want to know, because it ties in to a lot of difficult issues around the environment, resource extraction, corporate privilege, not to mention our very right to be here... and so on.



[Edited on 7/11/2015 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 7/10/2015 at 07:32 PM
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There are plenty of indigenous populations around the world who have been screwed throughout history so where is your outrage for them?


Good point, I tend to take the Native American saga more to heart. Maybe because my great great grandparents were doing the killing? Then again, China hammering on Tibet, Africans wailing on other Africans over resources that Chinamerica controls...Corporate environmental plunder which makes us all genocide victims in the long run... It all makes me mad though! It's an awful thing wherever it happens, I am sure we agree on that. It's the same story the world over. Don't really know where this is coming from, other than the crack of the Whipping Post whip, which is ok. I think this is a really good subject, and has not really been discussed much here.




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  posted on 7/11/2015 at 08:59 PM
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So how does everyone feel about this guy who seems to have an obsession with Nazi Memorabilia.


I don't......

 

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