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Fox News is not exactly known as an ally of the Obama administration, especially when it comes to disputes between Obama and House Speaker John Boehner, or disputes between Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Yet two prominent Fox News hosts, Chris Wallace and Shepherd Smith, harshly criticized Boehner and Netanyahu on Friday for secretly arranging a Netanyahu speech to Congress that is transparently aimed at undermining President Obama, and set up without the White House's knowledge.

The White House, State Department, and many foreign policy observers, including prominent former US ambassador to Israel Martin Indyk, expressed outrage over the move. And, in a sign of just how many lines Boehner and Netanyahu crossed, so did Fox News hosts Chris Wallace and Shepherd Smith.

"I agree 100 percent," Wallace said when Smith read a quote from Indyk criticizing the Boehner-Netanyahu maneuver. Wallace went on:

And to make you get a sense of really how, forgive me, wicked, this whole thing is, the Secretary of State John Kerry met with the Israeli Ambassador to the United States for two hours on Tuesday, Ron Dermer. The ambassador, never mentioned the fact that Netanyahu was in negotiations and finally agreed to come to Washington, not to see the president, but to go to Capitol Hill, speak to a joint session of congress and criticize the president's policy. I have to say I'm shocked.

Smith said, "it seems like [Netanyahu's government thinks] we don't pay attention and that we're just a bunch of complete morons, the United States citizens, as if we wouldn't pick up on what's happening here."

Wallace pointed out that Netanyahu might face political backlash in Israel over this "very risk political strategy," which could damage Israel's relationship with the United States.

Here is the backstory: On Wednesday, Boehner announced that he had invited Netanyahu to come speak to a joint session of Congress in late February (later pushed to early March) on Obama's nuclear negotiations with Iran, which both Boehner and Netanyahu oppose, and which Republicans are seeking to blow up by forcing new, deal-killing sanctions on Iran. What made this such a remarkable breach is that Boehner had reached over Obama to make the invitation, which he and Netanyahu kept secret from the White House. That is a major breach in US foreign policy, which is supposed to be unified; things like official visits by heads of state almost always go through the White House.

Perhaps worse, Republicans are letting a foreign leader use the floor of Congress to bash the American president, thus not just allowing but helping a foreign country meddle in American foreign policy. (This is not the first time either. Republicans invited Netanyahu to speak to Congress in 2011, an opportunity he also used to lambast Obama.)

For his part, Netanyahu is once again attempting to undermine the American president who is by far his most important ally, and is using Congress as a campaign stop on his own bid for reelection in Israel's March elections.

""Bibi and dermer might have finally gone too far""

While backlash was anticipatable, Netanyahu likely did not imagine it extending to Fox News.

"After watching this I think Bibi [Netanyahu] and [Israeli ambassador to the US Ron] Dermer might have finally gone too far," Lisa Goldman, the director of the Israel-Palestine Initiative at the New America Foundation, wrote on Facebook of the Fox News segment. "They miscalculated the American Zeitgeist and didn't realize that when a foreign power, even a favorite ally, shows a lack of respect for US institutions, a red line has been crossed."

To Goldman's point, both Smith and Wallace, in expressing outrage at Netanyahu, pointed out that the Israeli leader had defied President George W. Bush's demand that Israel cease settlement growth in the West Bank, and had resisted Bush's efforts at an Israel-Palestine peace deal. The issue, for them, was not principally one of partisan politics, but of this ostensible ally repeatedly mistreating the United States and its president, regardless of political party.

If the Netanyahu government and Ron Dermer's embassy are watching this, and they certainly should be, they should be alarmed that even this crucially important element of their American support base is beginning to see the Netanyahu government as less of an ally.




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Not known as an ally of the Obama administration? Are they supposed to be?

That's probably what sets them apart, hence the ratings. Not that Liberals one by one aren't afforded more than ample air time on that network. More than ample.

 

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Not known as an ally of the Obama administration? Are they supposed to be?

That's probably what sets them apart, hence the ratings. Not that Liberals one by one aren't afforded more than ample air time on that network. More than ample.


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I think they should be 100% supportive of the President. Isn't that what the media is for?
 

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Not known as an ally of the Obama administration? Are they supposed to be?

That's probably what sets them apart, hence the ratings. Not that Liberals one by one aren't afforded more than ample air time on that network. More than ample.


That's not the point of the article, alloak41. The emphasis on Fox news is merely to illustrate how unique a situation it is that a foreign leader is invited to directly address, in the chamber itself, a joint session of Congress.

In other words if even Fox news, which is typically highly critical of this administration, finds this this move a bit scrupulous, then perhaps there's something wrong here.....Get it? Reading Comprehension is a wonderful thing...



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boner should be charged with treason.

 

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It appears the visit will be in violation of the Logan Act.

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/28690-is-john-boehner-a-traitor

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Is John Boehner a Traitor?
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By The Daily Take Team, The Thom Hartmann Program | Op-Ed


John Boehner may be a traitor.

On Wednesday, the Speaker of the House confirmed that he had invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to come speak to Congress, "on the grave threats radical Islam and Iran pose to our security and way of life."

The announcement just so happens to come as Republicans in Congress are pushing for new sanctions against Iran, which threaten current diplomatic negotiations with that country.

See more news and opinion from Thom Hartmann at Truthout here.

As of now, Netanyahu is expected to speak to a joint session of Congress in March, while he's in the US for the annual AIPAC conference.

So, why is Boehner's invitation to Netanyahu such a big deal?

First off, it's a huge violation of protocol and massively disrespectful to President Obama and the authority of the executive branch.

It is completely unprecedented for the Speaker of the House, or any member of Congress, to invite a foreign leader to come to the US and speak to Congress without getting authorization and/or cooperation from the White House.

As Guy Ziv, a professor at American University who has studied US-Israeli relations told TPM, "It's unprecedented. It's hitting below the belt. It's taking partisanship to a whole new level."

By inviting Netanyahu to speak to Congress without the authority of the executive branch, Speaker Boehner is badly blurring the lines of national sovereignty, and again massively disrespecting typical protocol.

But, more importantly, he may be in violation of a number of laws, which may make him a traitor.

So, let's take a look at a few legal possibilities where the Speaker's actions may be considered criminal.

First, you could make a case that by inviting Netanyahu to speak to Congress without authority from the executive branch, Speaker Boehner is committing an act of sedition.

Sedition is defined as conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch.

However, it would be hard to prove that by inviting Netanyahu to speak to Congress, Boehner is trying to incite Americans to rebel against our nation; he's just using a foreign leader to lobby for his own legislation.

This is why a better case for Boehner's criminal conduct can be made under the Logan Act.

Established back in 1799, the Logan Act makes it illegal for unauthorized American citizens to negotiate with foreign governments.

Violation of the act is a felony, and comes with a punishment of up to three years in prison.

In order to prosecute Boehner under the Logan Act, there would have to be sufficient proof that he was acting "without authority" when he asked Netanyahu to come and speak to Congress, and that "authority" isn't specified in the law, although at the time it was passed, it was clearly intended to be held in the hands of President John Adams, who was furious that members of Congress were talking to French politicians.

It's also possible that Boehner is in violation of Federal Elections Commission (FEC) law.

Section 441e of FEC law makes it illegal for, "a person to solicit, accept, or receive a contribution or donation" from a foreign national.

In other words, if Speaker Boehner were to accept campaign money from Netanyahu, or use the speech to help raise money for Republicans in any way, he would be guilty of violating FEC law. Somebody needs to look into this, particularly to see if the hands of any of the Republican billionaires who obsess on Israel issues are involved in this.

Section 441e also makes it illegal for "a foreign national, directly or indirectly, to make a contribution or donation of money or other thing of value, or to make an express or implied promise to make a contribution or donation, in connection with a Federal, State or local election."

How is this speech not a thing of value to the Republicans?

The bottom line here is that, by inviting Prime Minister Netanyahu to speak to Congress, Speaker Boehner may have broken any number of laws, and the Department of Justice needs to investigate.

And even if no criminal activity is found, we can't forget how massively disrespectful this move by Boehner is.

Can you imagine Congress doing something like this to John Kennedy?

Or even to George W. Bush?

What if Nancy Pelosi had invited Saddam Hussein to address Congress back in 2002?

Don't you think Bush would have tried to prosecute her? Or at least get her impeached?

So at the very least Speaker Boehner is massively disrespecting the executive branch.

But, by blurring the lines of sovereignty, he may have also have fulfilled John Adams' worse dreams and, in the process, turned himself into a traitor.

This article was first published on Truthout and any reprint or reproduction on any other website must acknowledge Truthout as the original site of publication.

 

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boner should be charged with treason.


Before or after his next visit to the suntan bed?


 

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If you can find a boner, charge it with treason.

 

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Violation of the Logan act is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Congress has every right to invite anyone it wants to address it at anytime. It is not unprecedented. The fact that the president doesn't want it is irrelevant. The only question is whether it is wise or smart to do so not whether it is legal.

 

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Not known as an ally of the Obama administration? Are they supposed to be?

That's probably what sets them apart, hence the ratings. Not that Liberals one by one aren't afforded more than ample air time on that network. More than ample.


That's not the point of the article, alloak41. The emphasis on Fox news is merely to illustrate how unique a situation it is that a foreign leader is invited to directly address, in the chamber itself, a joint session of Congress.

In other words if even Fox news, which is typically highly critical of this administration, finds this this move a bit scrupulous, then perhaps there's something wrong here.....Get it? Reading Comprehension is a wonderful thing...



[Edited on 1/25/2015 by Chain]


Well, judging from the thread title and the misspelling "Faux" News and hell freezing over, you're attempting to take a slap at FOX News. That's not the point of the article, either.

Get it?

 

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Not known as an ally of the Obama administration? Are they supposed to be?

That's probably what sets them apart, hence the ratings. Not that Liberals one by one aren't afforded more than ample air time on that network. More than ample.


That's not the point of the article, alloak41. The emphasis on Fox news is merely to illustrate how unique a situation it is that a foreign leader is invited to directly address, in the chamber itself, a joint session of Congress.

In other words if even Fox news, which is typically highly critical of this administration, finds this this move a bit scrupulous, then perhaps there's something wrong here.....Get it? Reading Comprehension is a wonderful thing...



[Edited on 1/25/2015 by Chain]


Well, judging from the thread title and the misspelling "Faux" News and hell freezing over, you're attempting to take a slap at FOX News. That's not the point of the article, either.

Get it?

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The liberals hate Fox News because they actually do the job required of the Press, report to the people the actual news and hold the government accountable. The people expressing their “outrage” about The Speaker inviting the Israeli Prime Minister to speak befor Congress are the typical obama suckups.
The liberals simply don’t want the parade of failures by obama and his weak administration reported to the people.

Elections have consequences, get over it.

Obama, Hillary and Kerry have all failed miserably in all matters of foreign policy. The American people know it and have elected a Republican controlled Congress to get the job done.

Speaker Boehner does have the legal right to invite the Israeli Prime Minister to speak be for Congress.

obama has repeatedly show disrespect of Prime Minister Netanyahu and Israel while siding with his muslim brothers.

Iran has vowed to destroy Israel, our only real partner in the Middle-East. The U.S. has both a moral and treaty obligation to defend Israel. Obama has allowed Iran to continue developing its nuclear weapons program while weakening the sanctions. obama, Hillary and Kerry have all failed to do their job.

Congratulations go to Speaker Boehner for doing The President’s job.


 

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The liberals hate Fox News because they actually do the job required of the Press, report to the people the actual news



Sorry, I'm laughing so hard I can barely type...... you mean the 18% of the time they tell the truth? BWAHAHAHA.....

 

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Violation of the Logan act is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Congress has every right to invite anyone it wants to address it at anytime. It is not unprecedented. The fact that the president doesn't want it is irrelevant. The only question is whether it is wise or smart to do so not whether it is legal.


Agree that there's nothing illegal about it. I'm just not sure it's in Netanyahu's best interest. He hasn't much to gain as Congress already supports Israel, but pissing off the Obama administration further isn't necessarily the best move given Obama has two more years in office.

Also, as an Israeli political consultant recently pointed out, there could possibly be a negative reaction to his address by some of the Israeli electorate which will very soon determine if Netanyahu is reelected.

 

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Not known as an ally of the Obama administration? Are they supposed to be?

That's probably what sets them apart, hence the ratings. Not that Liberals one by one aren't afforded more than ample air time on that network. More than ample.


That's not the point of the article, alloak41. The emphasis on Fox news is merely to illustrate how unique a situation it is that a foreign leader is invited to directly address, in the chamber itself, a joint session of Congress.

In other words if even Fox news, which is typically highly critical of this administration, finds this this move a bit scrupulous, then perhaps there's something wrong here.....Get it? Reading Comprehension is a wonderful thing...



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Well, judging from the thread title and the misspelling "Faux" News and hell freezing over, you're attempting to take a slap at FOX News. That's not the point of the article, either.

Get it?


It was just a joke....Including my reading comprehension comment. Which is why I put the smiley face at the end, Aloak...It's way too serious in here.

 

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Violation of the Logan act is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Congress has every right to invite anyone it wants to address it at anytime. It is not unprecedented. The fact that the president doesn't want it is irrelevant. The only question is whether it is wise or smart to do so not whether it is legal.


Agree that there's nothing illegal about it. I'm just not sure it's in Netanyahu's best interest. He hasn't much to gain as Congress already supports Israel, but pissing off the Obama administration further isn't necessarily the best move given Obama has two more years in office.

Also, as an Israeli political consultant recently pointed out, there could possibly be a negative reaction to his address by some of the Israeli electorate which will very soon determine if Netanyahu is reelected.


The Logan Act prohibits people from negotiating with foreign leaders without the approval of the Executive Office. This is a violation, but I doubt anything will ever be done about it.

 

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Violation of the Logan act is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Congress has every right to invite anyone it wants to address it at anytime. It is not unprecedented. The fact that the president doesn't want it is irrelevant. The only question is whether it is wise or smart to do so not whether it is legal.


Agree that there's nothing illegal about it. I'm just not sure it's in Netanyahu's best interest. He hasn't much to gain as Congress already supports Israel, but pissing off the Obama administration further isn't necessarily the best move given Obama has two more years in office.

Also, as an Israeli political consultant recently pointed out, there could possibly be a negative reaction to his address by some of the Israeli electorate which will very soon determine if Netanyahu is reelected.


I trust him to know what his best interests are. I am frankly not interested in his best interests but in those of the United States. Allowing Obama to proceed with this insane capitulation to Iran will allow them to develop nuclear weapons. Of that I have no doubt. It must be stopped and Congress can and should stop it.

 

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Violation of the Logan act is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Congress has every right to invite anyone it wants to address it at anytime. It is not unprecedented. The fact that the president doesn't want it is irrelevant. The only question is whether it is wise or smart to do so not whether it is legal.


Agree that there's nothing illegal about it. I'm just not sure it's in Netanyahu's best interest. He hasn't much to gain as Congress already supports Israel, but pissing off the Obama administration further isn't necessarily the best move given Obama has two more years in office.

Also, as an Israeli political consultant recently pointed out, there could possibly be a negative reaction to his address by some of the Israeli electorate which will very soon determine if Netanyahu is reelected.


The Logan Act prohibits people from negotiating with foreign leaders without the approval of the Executive Office. This is a violation, but I doubt anything will ever be done about it.


How do you figure the United States Congress inviting a foreign leader to speak is the legal equivalence of "negotiating."? Meanwhile I presume you agree that former president Jimmy Carter has violated the Logan Act numerous times as did Nancy Pelosi. Should they be prosecuted? Did they commit treason? They talked to and negotiated with enemy states against the will of the White House. This is just inviting an ally leader to speak.

 

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Have to agree that this is not a negotiation. Boehner is saying f-u to Obama as is Netanyahu. They both must feel it will help their respective causes; only time will tell. There is no love lost between Ben and Barry; that's for sure.
 

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Have to agree that this is not a negotiation. Boehner is saying f-u to Obama as is Netanyahu. They both must feel it will help their respective causes; only time will tell. There is no love lost between Ben and Barry; that's for sure.


Boehner is not a head of state. It is not his job to invite foreign heads of state to this country. I think, in the long run, this will backfire. But, as you say, time will tell.

 

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Have to agree that this is not a negotiation. Boehner is saying f-u to Obama as is Netanyahu. They both must feel it will help their respective causes; only time will tell. There is no love lost between Ben and Barry; that's for sure.


Boehner is not a head of state. It is not his job to invite foreign heads of state to this country. I think, in the long run, this will backfire. But, as you say, time will tell.


I would imagine if he truly wasn't allowed to this would have been stopped

 

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Have to agree that this is not a negotiation. Boehner is saying f-u to Obama as is Netanyahu. They both must feel it will help their respective causes; only time will tell. There is no love lost between Ben and Barry; that's for sure.


Boehner is not a head of state. It is not his job to invite foreign heads of state to this country. I think, in the long run, this will backfire. But, as you say, time will tell.


I would imagine if he truly wasn't allowed to this would have been stopped


He didn't tell anyone that he was doing it. He acted on his own.

 

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Have to agree that this is not a negotiation. Boehner is saying f-u to Obama as is Netanyahu. They both must feel it will help their respective causes; only time will tell. There is no love lost between Ben and Barry; that's for sure.


Boehner is not a head of state. It is not his job to invite foreign heads of state to this country. I think, in the long run, this will backfire. But, as you say, time will tell.


I would imagine if he truly wasn't allowed to this would have been stopped


He didn't tell anyone that he was doing it. He acted on his own.


And there is plenty of time to have stopped it

 

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Have to agree that this is not a negotiation. Boehner is saying f-u to Obama as is Netanyahu. They both must feel it will help their respective causes; only time will tell. There is no love lost between Ben and Barry; that's for sure.


Boehner is not a head of state. It is not his job to invite foreign heads of state to this country. I think, in the long run, this will backfire. But, as you say, time will tell.


I would imagine if he truly wasn't allowed to this would have been stopped


He didn't tell anyone that he was doing it. He acted on his own.


And there is plenty of time to have stopped it


At this point? No. It would make a bad situation worse. It would be a personal insult to Netanyahu. Not that I care about it it, but it would pile one breach of protocol on top of another.

 

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Have to agree that this is not a negotiation. Boehner is saying f-u to Obama as is Netanyahu. They both must feel it will help their respective causes; only time will tell. There is no love lost between Ben and Barry; that's for sure.


Boehner is not a head of state. It is not his job to invite foreign heads of state to this country. I think, in the long run, this will backfire. But, as you say, time will tell.


1. He can invite anyone he wants to speak before Congress. It is an independent body. Numerous foreign officials speak before Congress. It is pretty damned rare that the president objects and why would he under normal circumstances. Even if he objects, there is no legal obligation to listen. Particularly when the official is an ally. Of course Obama doesn't see Netanyahu that way since anyone opposed to any of his policies is THE ENEMY.

2. Netanyahu is not the head of state. He is the leader of the government. The president of Israel is the head of state as the Queen of England is the head of state for Great Britain. If I remember correctly, Shimon Peres when he was president of Israel spoke before Congress. No one objected to that because Obama likes Peres.

 

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