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The word "facts" in quotations is fitting. While some of these may be factual, the question is whether they came to pass because of Obama or in spite of him. Another is the methodology used to arrive at some of these figures.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2014 at 04:49 PM
"Facts" are "Facts" they are not up for debate. do you have evidence to the contrary???, of course not.

 

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The word "facts" in quotations is fitting. While some of these may be factual, the question is whether they came to pass because of Obama or in spite of him. Another is the methodology used to arrive at some of these figures.


You conservatives make me laugh. You keep saying his Presidency has been a failure yet when presented with evidence to the contrary you refuse to admit he has done a pretty good job despite the GOP resisting and blocking everything he tries to accomplish.

And of course the facts must be manufactured as it could not be possible that he actually accomplished anything positive.

I would say what he has accomplished is amazing the in spite of the GOP's attempt to sabotage his administration.

All I can say is enjoy 10 more years of misery with 2 more with Obama and 8 with Hillary.

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  posted on 10/12/2014 at 05:23 PM
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The word "facts" in quotations is fitting. While some of these may be factual, the question is whether they came to pass because of Obama or in spite of him. Another is the methodology used to arrive at some of these figures.


typical alloak response. When presented with facts, he says the president has nothing to do with it. It's funny how he blames the president for the recessions slow recovery but when presented evidence to the contrary, he says the president has nothing to do with it.


 

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  posted on 10/12/2014 at 05:35 PM
alloakie, keep repeating to self: He had nowhere to go but up, he had nowhere to go but up, he had nowhere ........... don't forget to click the heels together on your little red shoes 3X



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The word "facts" in quotations is fitting. While some of these may be factual, the question is whether they came to pass because of Obama or in spite of him. Another is the methodology used to arrive at some of these figures.


Please tell us which of the 14 he had nothing to do with and which ones aren't true.

 

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  posted on 10/12/2014 at 09:49 PM
Obama's not doing a very good job at destroying our country. For years the T-baggers and their ilk have been vilifying him as a traitor and America hater. It's obvious who the haters are.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2014 at 12:16 AM
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The word "facts" in quotations is fitting. While some of these may be factual, the question is whether they came to pass because of Obama or in spite of him. Another is the methodology used to arrive at some of these figures.


typical alloak response. When presented with facts, he says the president has nothing to do with it. It's funny how he blames the president for the recessions slow recovery but when presented evidence to the contrary, he says the president has nothing to do with it.



Where did I say that? Can you comprehend the word "question?"

Never mind. Here's another fact. Obama is still hovering at 40%. Does anybody stop and think why that may be? That's a BIG disconnect between all of this accomplishment and how favorably his performance is viewed by the American people. Can you explain that?

I'll tell you why, because until people feel the fruits of the accomplishment in their own lives they are not moved. For instance, you can shower the people with sunshine and a lower unemployment rate, but and a former accountant with two part time jobs ain't getting all jazzed up about it.

Chronic government lying doesn't help much either. Once a point of critical mass is reached and exceeded, even if the truth is being told nobody believes it.

Clearly, there are not nearly enough people feeling the benefits of Obama's presidency in their own lives. If they did he wouldn't be at 40%. It's that simple. The 60% that don't approve of his job performance can't all be racists, can they?

If you dismiss the 40% number, here's a simple question. Why are Democrats running away from Obama and avoiding him like the plague? They don't know about this list either?


 

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The word "facts" in quotations is fitting. While some of these may be factual, the question is whether they came to pass because of Obama or in spite of him. Another is the methodology used to arrive at some of these figures.


typical alloak response. When presented with facts, he says the president has nothing to do with it. It's funny how he blames the president for the recessions slow recovery but when presented evidence to the contrary, he says the president has nothing to do with it.



Where did I say that? Can you comprehend the word "question?"

Never mind. Here's another fact. Obama is still hovering at 40%. Does anybody stop and think why that may be? That's a BIG disconnect between all of this accomplishment and how favorably his performance is viewed by the American people. Can you explain that?

I'll tell you why, because until people feel the fruits of the accomplishment in their own lives they are not moved. For instance, you can shower the people with sunshine and a lower unemployment rate, but and a former accountant with two part time jobs ain't getting all jazzed up about it.

Chronic government lying doesn't help much either. Once a point of critical mass is reached and exceeded, even if the truth is being told nobody believes it.

Clearly, there are not nearly enough people feeling the benefits of Obama's presidency in their own lives. If they did he wouldn't be at 40%. It's that simple. The 60% that don't approve of his job performance can't all be racists, can they?

If you dismiss the 40% number, here's a simple question. Why are Democrats running away from Obama and avoiding him like the plague? They don't know about this list either?




You do realize that President approval ratings fluctuate during a Presidents term right?

Do you also realize that Ronald Reagan had a low approval rating during his Presidency very close to what Obama's is now? And Bush had a 25% rating when his second term was ending and Congressional Republicans were running away from him like he had Ebola?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating

And Congress has an historically low approval rating in the low teens so lets not make it sounds like America is only unhappy with Obama right now.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-90 3.html

http://www.gallup.com/poll/174806/congressional-job-approval-stays-near-his torical-low.aspx

Approval ratings do not define a Presidents accomplishments Alloak but nice try to minimize what Obama has accomplished.


 

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  posted on 10/13/2014 at 05:33 AM
People always forget to consider at least 15 % (the far left) disapprove of Obama because he has governed as a moderate republican and isn't progressive enough.

Further more when you consider the majority of Americans don't even know who their congressman is or how they vote on bills I wouldn't expect those same people to know what the presidents accomplishments are either.

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Obama is still hovering at 40%. Does anybody stop and think why that may be? That's a BIG disconnect between all of this accomplishment and how favorably his performance is viewed by the American people. Can you explain that?

Is this the same electorate that you call low info for electing Obama in the first place? Funny that you can dismiss the election results as flawed because people just didn't know enough to vote for the right candidate, yet you hold up poll results as the end all and be all. Once again, you are trying to have it both ways.

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  posted on 10/13/2014 at 08:08 AM
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The word "facts" in quotations is fitting. While some of these may be factual, the question is whether they came to pass because of Obama or in spite of him. Another is the methodology used to arrive at some of these figures.


Please tell us which of the 14 he had nothing to do with and which ones aren't true.



Gee, how about NUMBER ONE (that took long.) Sixty-three straight months of economic expansion? I guess the author is not aware that GDP contracted 2.9% in the first quarter of 2014, the steepest drop in five years. That or GDP is ignored when talking about economic expansion.

Whatever that says about the rest of the list, you must admit it's off to a bad start.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2014 at 08:26 AM
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Obama is still hovering at 40%. Does anybody stop and think why that may be? That's a BIG disconnect between all of this accomplishment and how favorably his performance is viewed by the American people. Can you explain that?

Is this the same electorate that you call low info for electing Obama in the first place? Funny that you can dismiss the election results as flawed because people just didn't know enough to vote for the right candidate, yet you hold up poll results as the end all and be all. Once again, you are trying to have it both ways.

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I was ready for that response. You totally miss the point. They may be low-information as far as following politics closely but they're experts at taking stock of their own situation in life. At 40% it would be hard to say that the public is overwhelmingly impressed with the economy or Obama's economic performance.

Did you know that when asked, a majority of Americans think we're still in a recession? How can that be? Because they're answering the question based on their own point of view. Maybe they'll get home from their part-time job and read the list nobody knows about....then start feeling instantly better about their economic lives? Don't count on it.

 

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Obama is still hovering at 40%. Does anybody stop and think why that may be? That's a BIG disconnect between all of this accomplishment and how favorably his performance is viewed by the American people. Can you explain that?

Is this the same electorate that you call low info for electing Obama in the first place? Funny that you can dismiss the election results as flawed because people just didn't know enough to vote for the right candidate, yet you hold up poll results as the end all and be all. Once again, you are trying to have it both ways.

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I was ready for that response. You totally miss the point. They may be low-information as far as following politics closely but they're experts at taking stock of their own situation in life. At 40% it would be hard to say that the public is overwhelmingly impressed with the economy or Obama's economic performance.

Did you know that when asked, a majority of Americans think we're still in a recession? How can that be? Because they're answering the question based on their own point of view. Maybe they'll get home from their part-time job and read the list nobody knows about....then start feeling instantly better about their economic lives? Don't count on it.




Hold on. Are they assessing "their own situation in life", or saying whether they approve of Obama's performance? You are trying to tie the two things together, and separate them at the same time. But go ahead and keep talking out both sides of your mouth.

Bush's approval rating was sub-40 for most of 2006 and 2007, and sub-30 for much of 2008 (2nd term average was 37%), and you don't hold him accountable for the economic turmoil that occurred on his watch...you blame his predecessor and then mock anyone who does the same with Obama.

Beyond that, if you look at the breakdown of Obama's approval rating, you can see it isn't exactly unanimous...lots of variations across geographies and demographic segments of the population. And it also breaks down along party lines (shocking)...78% approval among D's, 7% among R's. If I were Hillary or another D thinking of running in 2016, I'd probably be most concerned with his 40% among I's.





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The word "facts" in quotations is fitting. While some of these may be factual, the question is whether they came to pass because of Obama or in spite of him. Another is the methodology used to arrive at some of these figures.


Please tell us which of the 14 he had nothing to do with and which ones aren't true.



Gee, how about NUMBER ONE (that took long.) Sixty-three straight months of economic expansion? I guess the author is not aware that GDP contracted 2.9% in the first quarter of 2014, the steepest drop in five years. That or GDP is ignored when talking about economic expansion.

Whatever that says about the rest of the list, you must admit it's off to a bad start.


Gee, how about the GDP is only one component that measures economic growth. Try again.

 

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Obama is still hovering at 40%. Does anybody stop and think why that may be? That's a BIG disconnect between all of this accomplishment and how favorably his performance is viewed by the American people. Can you explain that?

Is this the same electorate that you call low info for electing Obama in the first place? Funny that you can dismiss the election results as flawed because people just didn't know enough to vote for the right candidate, yet you hold up poll results as the end all and be all. Once again, you are trying to have it both ways.

[Edited on 10/13/2014 by gondicar]


I was ready for that response. You totally miss the point. They may be low-information as far as following politics closely but they're experts at taking stock of their own situation in life. At 40% it would be hard to say that the public is overwhelmingly impressed with the economy or Obama's economic performance.

Did you know that when asked, a majority of Americans think we're still in a recession? How can that be? Because they're answering the question based on their own point of view. Maybe they'll get home from their part-time job and read the list nobody knows about....then start feeling instantly better about their economic lives? Don't count on it.




Bush's approval rating was sub-40 for most of 2006 and 2007, and sub-30 for much of 2008 (2nd term average was 37%), and you don't hold him accountable for the economic turmoil that occurred on his watch...you blame his predecessor. But go ahead and keep talking out both sides of your mouth.

Beyond that, if you look at the breakdown of Obama's approval rating, you can see it isn't exactly unanimous...lots of variations across geographies and demographic segments of the population. And it also breaks down along party lines (shocking)...78% approval among D's, 7% among R's. If I were Hillary or another D thinking of running in 2016, I'd probably be most concerned with his 40% among I's.





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And in comes Bush, just like clockwork. Wow, never could have guessed that was coming...

What does Bush have to do with it?

 

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Obama is still hovering at 40%. Does anybody stop and think why that may be? That's a BIG disconnect between all of this accomplishment and how favorably his performance is viewed by the American people. Can you explain that?

Is this the same electorate that you call low info for electing Obama in the first place? Funny that you can dismiss the election results as flawed because people just didn't know enough to vote for the right candidate, yet you hold up poll results as the end all and be all. Once again, you are trying to have it both ways.

[Edited on 10/13/2014 by gondicar]


I was ready for that response. You totally miss the point. They may be low-information as far as following politics closely but they're experts at taking stock of their own situation in life. At 40% it would be hard to say that the public is overwhelmingly impressed with the economy or Obama's economic performance.

Did you know that when asked, a majority of Americans think we're still in a recession? How can that be? Because they're answering the question based on their own point of view. Maybe they'll get home from their part-time job and read the list nobody knows about....then start feeling instantly better about their economic lives? Don't count on it.




Bush's approval rating was sub-40 for most of 2006 and 2007, and sub-30 for much of 2008 (2nd term average was 37%), and you don't hold him accountable for the economic turmoil that occurred on his watch...you blame his predecessor. But go ahead and keep talking out both sides of your mouth.

Beyond that, if you look at the breakdown of Obama's approval rating, you can see it isn't exactly unanimous...lots of variations across geographies and demographic segments of the population. And it also breaks down along party lines (shocking)...78% approval among D's, 7% among R's. If I were Hillary or another D thinking of running in 2016, I'd probably be most concerned with his 40% among I's.





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And in comes Bush, just like clockwork. Wow, never could have guessed that was coming...

What does Bush have to do with it?


Just making a comparison between the most recent two presidents, and point out that you don't seem to be applying the same "logic" when evaluating them.

 

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The word "facts" in quotations is fitting. While some of these may be factual, the question is whether they came to pass because of Obama or in spite of him. Another is the methodology used to arrive at some of these figures.


Please tell us which of the 14 he had nothing to do with and which ones aren't true.



Gee, how about NUMBER ONE (that took long.) Sixty-three straight months of economic expansion? I guess the author is not aware that GDP contracted 2.9% in the first quarter of 2014, the steepest drop in five years. That or GDP is ignored when talking about economic expansion.

Whatever that says about the rest of the list, you must admit it's off to a bad start.


Gee, how about the GDP is only one component that measures economic growth. Try again.


Naw, once was enough.

A discussion of economic expansion that totally leaves out GDP GROWTH, and you take it seriously? Really?

Not that I'm surprised, but that's a pretty important component to ignore.

 

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Obama is still hovering at 40%. Does anybody stop and think why that may be? That's a BIG disconnect between all of this accomplishment and how favorably his performance is viewed by the American people. Can you explain that?

Is this the same electorate that you call low info for electing Obama in the first place? Funny that you can dismiss the election results as flawed because people just didn't know enough to vote for the right candidate, yet you hold up poll results as the end all and be all. Once again, you are trying to have it both ways.

[Edited on 10/13/2014 by gondicar]


I was ready for that response. You totally miss the point. They may be low-information as far as following politics closely but they're experts at taking stock of their own situation in life. At 40% it would be hard to say that the public is overwhelmingly impressed with the economy or Obama's economic performance.

Did you know that when asked, a majority of Americans think we're still in a recession? How can that be? Because they're answering the question based on their own point of view. Maybe they'll get home from their part-time job and read the list nobody knows about....then start feeling instantly better about their economic lives? Don't count on it.




Bush's approval rating was sub-40 for most of 2006 and 2007, and sub-30 for much of 2008 (2nd term average was 37%), and you don't hold him accountable for the economic turmoil that occurred on his watch...you blame his predecessor. But go ahead and keep talking out both sides of your mouth.

Beyond that, if you look at the breakdown of Obama's approval rating, you can see it isn't exactly unanimous...lots of variations across geographies and demographic segments of the population. And it also breaks down along party lines (shocking)...78% approval among D's, 7% among R's. If I were Hillary or another D thinking of running in 2016, I'd probably be most concerned with his 40% among I's.





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And in comes Bush, just like clockwork. Wow, never could have guessed that was coming...

What does Bush have to do with it?


Just making a comparison between the most recent two presidents, and point out that you don't seem to be applying the same "logic" when evaluating them.


I'm not evaluating "them." Maybe that's for another thread.

 

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Obama is still hovering at 40%. Does anybody stop and think why that may be? That's a BIG disconnect between all of this accomplishment and how favorably his performance is viewed by the American people. Can you explain that?

Is this the same electorate that you call low info for electing Obama in the first place? Funny that you can dismiss the election results as flawed because people just didn't know enough to vote for the right candidate, yet you hold up poll results as the end all and be all. Once again, you are trying to have it both ways.

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I was ready for that response. You totally miss the point. They may be low-information as far as following politics closely but they're experts at taking stock of their own situation in life. At 40% it would be hard to say that the public is overwhelmingly impressed with the economy or Obama's economic performance.

Did you know that when asked, a majority of Americans think we're still in a recession? How can that be? Because they're answering the question based on their own point of view. Maybe they'll get home from their part-time job and read the list nobody knows about....then start feeling instantly better about their economic lives? Don't count on it.




Bush's approval rating was sub-40 for most of 2006 and 2007, and sub-30 for much of 2008 (2nd term average was 37%), and you don't hold him accountable for the economic turmoil that occurred on his watch...you blame his predecessor. But go ahead and keep talking out both sides of your mouth.

Beyond that, if you look at the breakdown of Obama's approval rating, you can see it isn't exactly unanimous...lots of variations across geographies and demographic segments of the population. And it also breaks down along party lines (shocking)...78% approval among D's, 7% among R's. If I were Hillary or another D thinking of running in 2016, I'd probably be most concerned with his 40% among I's.





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And in comes Bush, just like clockwork. Wow, never could have guessed that was coming...

What does Bush have to do with it?


Just making a comparison between the most recent two presidents, and point out that you don't seem to be applying the same "logic" when evaluating them.


I'm not evaluating "them." Maybe that's for another thread.

LOL.

 

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The word "facts" in quotations is fitting. While some of these may be factual, the question is whether they came to pass because of Obama or in spite of him. Another is the methodology used to arrive at some of these figures.


Please tell us which of the 14 he had nothing to do with and which ones aren't true.



Gee, how about NUMBER ONE (that took long.) Sixty-three straight months of economic expansion? I guess the author is not aware that GDP contracted 2.9% in the first quarter of 2014, the steepest drop in five years. That or GDP is ignored when talking about economic expansion.

Whatever that says about the rest of the list, you must admit it's off to a bad start.


Gee, how about the GDP is only one component that measures economic growth. Try again.


Naw, once was enough.

A discussion of economic expansion that totally leaves out GDP GROWTH, and you take it seriously? Really?

Not that I'm surprised, but that's a pretty important component to ignore.


Do you even know what the GDP is? I doubt it. Typical of you to cherry pick your talking points. Just like everything else you discuss.

The overall economy is based on much more than just the GDP. So I guess that, since you can't dispute anything else in the link, you accept it as fact. Nice to see you are to be less low info.

 

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This makes more and more sense all the time..

http://friskaliberal.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/shocker-liberals-dont-underst and-basic-economics/

 

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[A discussion of economic expansion that totally leaves out GDP GROWTH, and you take it seriously? Really?

Not that I'm surprised, but that's a pretty important component to ignore.


Do you even know what the GDP is? I doubt it. Typical of you to cherry pick your talking points. Just like everything else you discuss.... The overall economy is based on much more than just the GDP.


Right. Just like there are many causes of death in humans. In a discussion of that subject, heart disease should be ignored.

 

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This makes more and more sense all the time..

http://friskaliberal.wordpress.com/2010/06/08/shocker-liberals-dont-underst and-basic-economics/
another b.s. assumption.

 

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