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  posted on 10/9/2014 at 02:41 PM
I realize it seems to be an almost foregone conclusion, but I don't think she runs. Or if she enters the process, won't see it through. I have nothing against the woman, she's actually grown on me through the years. She's a fine gal.

However, I believe that health problems will be the culprit. I think her health problems are worse than they're letting on. Could be right or could be wrong, just a gut feeling on my part.

What say you? And if not, who else would make a good candidate?


 
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I realize it seems to be an almost foregone conclusion, but I don't think she runs. Or if she enters the process, won't see it through. I have nothing against the woman, she's actually grown on me through the years. She's a fine gal.

However, I believe that health problems will be the culprit. I think her health problems are worse than they're letting on. Could be right or could be wrong, just a gut feeling on my part.

What say you? And if not, who else would make a good candidate?




Do you have any inside information on her health issues? If so, please share other than just laying out a line that says, "I think her health problems are worse than they're letting on."

I have tried to back my statements with you before. You have not taken bets previously. I'll bet you $100.00 she runs. I've made political bets with conservatives on election outcomes before, never lost, and give 100% of the winnings to charity (inner city schools). Are you in, alloak?

 

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I have no idea until I hear them campaign. Aside from Biden and Dean, none of the rest have had any real exposure that I've seen. I think it's kind of a moot point anyways, because if Hillary runs, it's over. Even with a low approval rating for Obama, there is a massive liberal movement going on right now, and there is a desire to see firsts. That desire to see the first female president will overpower anything else. And if Hillary wins and serves 2 terms, I bet we'll see the first gay president in 2024. It's going to be a tough future for Republicans if they don't reform their entire platform. Their current platform is beyond stagnant and antiquated. A very small percentage of the 18-34 demo will vote Republican with its current state. However, they can be converted with the right type of reform. Chris Christie is the right answer for Republicans, but it seems as though he's too far ahead of his time.
 

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  posted on 10/9/2014 at 06:50 PM
Tough call. She is by far the most visible Dem, most known, and is very savvy.

However, she has SO much baggAge. She has plenty from recent years, but even back when she was First Lady, she was a lightning rod for conservative bile, the "feminazi" etc. She made some folks I know so angry and they could barely explain why.

Maybe Elizabeth Warren?

 

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Unless she has health problems she will run as Bubba has been pushing her since the primaries in 2008. he want back in the Whitehouse in the worst way IMHO.

And if she does who is going to beat her?

Even this Conservative columnist thinks she is a shoe-in

16 Reasons Why Hillary Clinton Will Win 2016
Sorry, folks, this race is over. Conservative Myra Adams lists the many reasons Hillary will win the White House in 2016—from gross media bias to groupthink and barrels of money.
By the standards of “political time,” where in one day a candidate can go from frontrunner to underdog, the 2016 presidential election is decades away. But from this vantage point, all signs point to Hillary Clinton coasting to the Democrat Party nomination and winning the White House.

As a lifelong Republican, I am not pleased with my own prediction—nothing would thrill me more than if a conservative were to win back the presidency. But my political reality instincts lead me to believe the following. (And I’ve been right before: in January 2011, I cowrote “12 Reasons Obama Wins in 2012.”)

Unless there is a radical change of circumstances within the Republican Party and its crop of presidential wannabes, or some unforeseen cataclysmic national event that dramatically alters the current economic and political landscape, or a serious deterioration in her health, Hillary has it locked up.

Here are 16 reasons why Hillary Clinton is poised to be elected the next president of the United States, in order of importance.

1. Madame President: A Great Social Movement in the Making


A great social movement to elect the first Madame President is gathering wind and will reach sustained hurricane strength on November 5, 2014—the day after the midterm elections and the “official start” of the 2016 presidential campaign.

Akin to the movement that elected the first African-American president in 2008, the “Madame President movement” will be propelled by the mainstream media, Hollywood, and social media. Together they will build momentum and coalitions across all platforms, while reveling in their awesome social and cultural significance. You will hear the “triumph of the ’60s feminist movement.” You will hear that you will be “voting to make history.” And you will hear that your vote will be used as a “hammer to break through the glass ceiling of the Oval Office.”

Warning: Prepare for the onslaught, because it is coming your way.

2. The Media Is Ready to Crown a Queen

Hillary, the first female presidential nominee of a major party, will be anointed by the media, Hollywood, and pop culture—just as they anointed the junior senator from Illinois in 2008. The only difference between then and now is Obama was hailed as the messiah, and Hillary will be the queen ready to ascend to her royal throne. Already NBC has announced a Hillary miniseries set for air before the network has to steer clear of FCC equal-time regulations. (In other words, right before Clinton officially announces her candidacy for maximum ratings.)

3. Groupthink: It’s Her Time, and She Deserves It

Between now and 2016, listen as political pundits exclaim, “It’s her time,” or “She deserves it.”

Long-suffering Hillary, who was publicly humiliated by her cheating husband and then triumphed over adversity by being elected to the U.S. Senate in 2000. Long-suffering Hillary, who was defeated by her own party for the presidential nomination in 2008, and then further rejected by Obama to be his running mate.

Triumph came later when “Hillary the team player” became the globe-trotting secretary of State and despite a lack of any real accomplishment, eventually earned international respect and higher approval ratings than the team leader himself.

Therefore, because of her highs and lows, the “unholy alliance” of cultural and media forces truly believes that it’s her time, that she deserves it. This groupthink will make for a toxic punch of media bias that the Republican presidential candidate will be forced to drink on a daily basis.

4. Organization the Obama Way

Hillary’s campaign-in-waiting, the Ready for Hillary PAC, is readying itself to turn into her official campaign as soon as Madame General signs the battle order.

Some top-notch Obama campaign talent, Jeremy Bird and Mitch Stewart, have already been hired to build an organization similar to President Obama’s two nearly flawless, state-of-the-art campaigns. It would be nearly impossible for the Republican presidential candidate to quickly build and match what will then be a huge national campaign organization with a three-year head start. For even the Republican challenger, it would appear as if Hillary were the incumbent.

5. Barrels of Money

For the 2012 presidential campaign, both candidates eventually raised a billion dollars. But Obama had the advantage of early money and put it to great use, negatively defining and attacking Romney throughout the spring of 2012.

Between now and 2016 Hillary could easily raise more than a billion dollars and much of it early. In fact, just this week it was announced that Ready for Hillary had raised over a million dollars in June 2013, without its candidate of course.

This early money will give Hillary the same advantage Obama had to smear whoever emerges as her likely opponent while the GOP primary season chugs along to its conclusion.

6. The Electoral College is Slanted Toward Hillary and the Democrats

Just how much of an advantage will the Electoral College offer Hillary in 2016?

Here are some startling facts:

In 2012 the final Electoral College results were 332 for Obama and 206 for Romney. If Romney had won the battleground states of Florida (29 votes), Ohio (18 votes), and Virginia (13 votes), Obama would still have been reelected but by a closer margin of 272 to 266.

Now, just because Obama won well over 300 electoral votes does not mean Hillary will repeat that achievement. However, the path to 270 is much easier for any Democrat candidate given current and future demographic growth and established voting patterns.

7. Hillary Will Have Either Symbolic or No Primary Opposition

The only reason why ambitious power players like New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo or Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley might challenge Hillary to a primary is to increase their own national name recognition with the goal of landing on Hillary’s VP shortlist. (The battle to top that shortlist will be the real Democratic primary of 2016.) Not having a real primary will be a tremendous advantage for Hillary, thus freeing her up to concentrate on the general-election battle while the Republicans are still battling each other.

Meanwhile, Vice President Biden will fall in line and become an avid campaigner and fundraiser for Hillary because he will obey his bosses’ orders—both of them.

8. The Hispanic Voting Bloc Is Hillary’s to Lose

In 2012 the Republican Party was shaken to the core after Romney lost Hispanic voters to Obama by a lopsided margin of 71 percent to 27 percent.

Now remember, the Ready for Hillary PAC has already hired some key Obama managers and field organizers who helped produce those outstanding results. Certainly part of their new job will be to ensure that the fast-growing Hispanic population continues to be a loyal Democratic voting block.

Additionally, Ready for Hillary will be “ready to register” all of those 50,000 Hispanic teenagers who will be turning 18 every month for the next two decades.

9. The African-American and Asian Vote Is Also Hillary’s to Lose

The Republican Party was hardly surprised when Obama won the African-American vote by 93 percent to 6 percent in 2012. But they were surprised that he won the Asian American vote by a wide margin of 73 percent to 26 percent. Will Hillary resonate as well with both these two groups?

I can only take a wild guess about Asian-Americans’ attitude toward Hillary, but I do remember Bill Clinton being called America’s first black president well before we had one.

10. Bill Clinton Will Be a Tremendous Asset to Hillary

“Vote for the First Dude” is a bumper sticker waiting to happen.

During last summer’s Democratic National Convention, Bill Clinton convinced America to vote for President Obama in what was heralded as such an eloquent speech that it made Obama seem small by comparison.

At that moment, Democrats and their media allies experienced a tsunami of feel-good Clinton nostalgia that continues to this day, and “Hillary 2016” is the supreme beneficiary. Furthermore, from a pop culture/media perspective, her leaner, non-meat eating, more highly evolved, totally rebranded, well-respected charitable husband (of Clinton Global Initiative fame) will be one of Hillary’s greatest assets on the campaign trail.

The once deadly “Clinton fatigue” that plagued Hillary in 2008 now only lives in the minds of Republicans. And unless Elvis is reincarnated as a Republican, the GOP has no celebrity stars that even come close to “Bubba the Big Dog.” (Don’t even think about Clint Eastwood or his empty chair.)

11. Hillary Will Run for Either Obama’s Third Term or Bill Clinton’s

If Obama’s presidency tanks in its final years, than Team Clinton (with the help of the complicit media) could easily repackage herself to run for Bill Clinton’s “third term.” (Remember that his third term was won by Al Gore in 2000 and then stolen by that evil George W. Bush, or so goes the Democrat folklore.)

However, the trick for Hillary is to still utilize Obama’s ever-likable persona just enough to fire up his loyal base to serve her own purposes. This tactic will achieve success no matter how low Obama’s approval ratings go, because there are always Republicans to blame.

12. The Republicans Have a Weak Bench With Little Star Power

If the Democrats did not have Hillary, or she declines to run, then both parties would have weak benches.

In this hypothetical case, the campaign playing field would be roughly equal (except for that growing slant in the Electoral College). But the Democrats do have Hillary, and all signs point to her running, so that leaves only a weak GOP bench and the question, “How can any of the potential GOP candidates possibly win 270 electoral votes?”

13. The Long GOP Primary System Plays to Hillary’s Advantage

On May 30, 2012, Romney finally won enough delegates to win the Republican nomination. And during that month, Obama pummeled and defined Romney as a rich mean man of privilege who fired people like you so he could become even richer. Romney didn’t know what hit him and hardly responded. Some Republican political consultants believe May was the month when Romney lost the general election because he was too busy wrapping up the nomination and building a national campaign organization.

This is only one example of how the Republican primary traveling circus went on far too long, hurting the eventual winner, and was extremely debilitating to the image of the party in the eyes of the general electorate.

Now in 2016 (unless order suddenly comes from chaos), it looks like we are in for another long, heated, Republican primary season while Hillary assumes the Obama-like incumbent position, ready to pounce on whoever starts to emerge victorious.

14. Hillary Will Make the Case That She Is the Only Leader Who Can Bring Us Together

As the potential first woman president and commander in chief, Hillary must prove that she has the capacity for strong leadership and is not afraid to compromise with Republicans in order to solve the problems confronting this nation. And with friends throughout the media singing her praises, this task should be a no-brainer—even with the Benghazi clip of “What difference does it make?” being played nonstop by Republicans.

But the irony here is that by offering herself up as the strong leader that America desperately needs (like she did so well in 2008), she draws an obvious negative comparison with our current leader, who is sadly lacking in this skill set and whose blessings she wants out on the campaign trail.

My guess is the media will gloss over Obama’s lack of leadership while bolstering Hillary’s and they will both get what they want: Obama, a historic legacy and Hillary his office. Because with the media on your side, everything is possible!

15. Calling Hillary ‘Old’ Insults the Old Republican Base

Hillary was born in 1947, making her 66 years young. If elected president, she will turn 70 during her first year in office. But as we all know, 70 is the new 55, so this is not a problem. But the next time you hear a Republican say that Hillary is too old to run (as I do all the time) please have these facts handy:

In the 2012 election, voters over the age of 65 composed 16 percent of the electorate and voted for Romney over Obama by 56 percent to 44 percent—making this age group Romney’s most loyal voting block. Next most faithful were the 45- to 64-year-olds, who constituted 38 percent of the voters and supported Romney 51 percent to Obama’s 47 percent.

So how do these stats help Hillary?

The answer is today’s “old people” do not think of themselves as old but rather smarter, more disciplined, better educated, and more competent than the generations that followed. Romney won older voters because he appeared more competent and accomplished than Obama. Now it is Hillary who will wear the competent and accomplished label more often than black pantsuits.

In addition to the competence factor, older voters (especially aging baby-boom women), relate well to someone like Hillary identifying with her life journey and numerous family struggles. Therefore, old people will carefully listen to her message and give her the benefit of the doubt—since the concept of “it is her time and she deserves it” will have been drilled into old people’s brains by the mainstream media.

16. The GOP Has Weak Arguments Against Hillary

Recently, someone sent me a link with a video from the Stop Hillary.com PAC. The video portrayed her 2017 “inauguration.” The voice-over was Hillary taking the presidential oath of office while the following words were flashed on the screen: Whitewater, Vince Foster, Travelgate, Rose Law Firm, and Benghazi. Then as Hillary finishes the oath saying, “So help me God,” the words “So help us” flash on the screen.

Along with the video, here is the mission statement of the Stop Hillary PAC:

Make sure Hillary Clinton never becomes president! America can’t survive another team back in the White House. In 2016, it will be too late to stop Hillary. we’ve got to hold her accountable right now. Stop Hillary PAC was created for one reason only—to save America from the destructive far-left, liberal cancer created by Bill and Hillary Clinton that’s trying to corrupt America. Stand with Stop Hillary PAC today to take a stand for America’s future and STOP Hillary dead in her tracks.

Now, does any thinking Republican actually believe that dredging up ’90s-era scandals is going to stop Hillary? (Benghazi is different, but unfortunately the mainstream media and general public have lost interest, and by 2016 it will have as much negative impact on her as Travelgate.)

If these arguments are the best the “Stop Hillary movement” can muster, then it is time for some new arguments.

And Finally…

Because of reasons No. 1 through 16, and in spite of the fact that Hillary is extremely polarizing and travels with a lot of baggage, she is still poised to win in 2016 because frankly, there is no one who can stop her. Unless, as stated at the beginning, there are unforeseen cataclysmic national events that dramatically alter the current economic and political landscape or Hillary has major health issues and drops out even before she gets in.

For the record, I am not in favor of any of the above options. The best I can hope for is that the presidential election campaign in 2016 will be fair, clean, and without the blatant media bias that tipped the scales for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

But since we are talking about Hillary as the first woman president, and a rekindled Clinton media love affair, good luck with all that!

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  posted on 10/9/2014 at 08:22 PM
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I have no idea until I hear them campaign. Aside from Biden and Dean, none of the rest have had any real exposure that I've seen. I think it's kind of a moot point anyways, because if Hillary runs, it's over. Even with a low approval rating for Obama, there is a massive liberal movement going on right now, and there is a desire to see firsts. That desire to see the first female president will overpower anything else. And if Hillary wins and serves 2 terms, I bet we'll see the first gay president in 2024. It's going to be a tough future for Republicans if they don't reform their entire platform. Their current platform is beyond stagnant and antiquated. A very small percentage of the 18-34 demo will vote Republican with its current state. However, they can be converted with the right type of reform. Chris Christie is the right answer for Republicans, but it seems as though he's too far ahead of his time.


Great post, BB.

The political & social winds are shifting, but some will always go kicking & screaming.

 

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  posted on 10/9/2014 at 08:34 PM
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Even with a low approval rating for Obama, there is a massive liberal movement going on right now, and there is a desire to see firsts. That desire to see the first female president will overpower anything else. And if Hillary wins and serves 2 terms, I bet we'll see the first gay president in 2024.


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It's going to be a tough future for Republicans if they don't reform their entire platform.


A strong candidate would help.

As for your comment, if they start acting more like Democrats they will beat Democrats? Do you believe Conservatives deserve any representation in a Presidential race?

 

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Republicans should act like Democrats socially, but not economically. I believe today's youth could be easily sold on conservative economics. But the conservative social views are prehistoric, and if they continue with the Christian family values mantra, anti-minority BS, they will continue to get beaten badly. Nobody 18-34 wants to hear about religion, and they sure as hell don't want to hear it as an explanation for social issues. And by anti-minority, I simply mean they need to communicate their stance better. For very complex issues like immigration and social welfare, their words and tone tend to place all the blame on the people, rather than fully dissecting the problem. Too many Republicans say "if you want more in life, work harder, don't depend on the government." While true, and not racist at all, it sure comes off that way. A smart Republican will break that down into great detail and explain why handouts only further damage our society. But they never do that. "Just work harder and stop being dependent" is their answer.
 

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  posted on 10/10/2014 at 10:43 AM
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Republicans should act like Democrats socially, but not economically. I believe today's youth could be easily sold on conservative economics. But the conservative social views are prehistoric, and if they continue with the Christian family values mantra, anti-minority BS, they will continue to get beaten badly. Nobody 18-34 wants to hear about religion, and they sure as hell don't want to hear it as an explanation for social issues.


The quick answer is, none of that would have mattered if they could have turned out their own base. That was their biggest problem and none of what you said had anything to do with it.


 

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So then why didn't their base get out to vote? Even if they weren't moved by Romney or McCain, don't you think they would've shown up just to keep Obama the socialist out of office?

IMO, minorities and young voters turned out in droves to vote for Obama, not because of him, but because Romney/Ryan and McCain/Palin went against those social issues I referred to.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2014 at 11:25 AM
Hillary Clinton 2016


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I said it before and I'll say it again....Chris Christie is the ONLY chance for Republicans, but they will be too stubborn to nominate him for being too moderate. I don't think he could beat Hillary but it'd be close. I love Christie and he would get my vote. While I may not agree with all of his politics, I trust that he can get sh*t done, instead of the gridlock we see now. If Hillary gets elected, we'll see the same BS by Republicans blocking every single thing she tries to do, just out of spite, while the only ones who suffer are the American people. Politics as usual I guess.
 

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I have no idea until I hear them campaign. Aside from Biden and Dean, none of the rest have had any real exposure that I've seen. I think it's kind of a moot point anyways, because if Hillary runs, it's over. Even with a low approval rating for Obama, there is a massive liberal movement going on right now, and there is a desire to see firsts. That desire to see the first female president will overpower anything else. And if Hillary wins and serves 2 terms, I bet we'll see the first gay president in 2024. It's going to be a tough future for Republicans if they don't reform their entire platform. Their current platform is beyond stagnant and antiquated. A very small percentage of the 18-34 demo will vote Republican with its current state. However, they can be converted with the right type of reform. Chris Christie is the right answer for Republicans, but it seems as though he's too far ahead of his time.


There is a MASSIVE LIBERAL MOVEMENT GOING ON RIGHT NOW? Do you really believe this? Geez.

 

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A strong candidate would help.

As for your comment, if they start acting more like Democrats they will beat Democrats? Do you believe Conservatives deserve any representation in a Presidential race?


It's so funny. Everyone thinks they are a permanent majority. The only sure thing is that circumstances change. Who would have predicted after 1964 that 5 of the next 6 elections would be won by Republicans, most of them by landslides. Now Democrats because they have won 4 of the last 5 feel they are sitting pretty for now and forever. I seriously doubt it and I seriously doubt Hillary Clinton will be elected president after 8 years of disastrous times of which she was a sitting secretary of state for 4 of them. The assumption that no Republican is capable of mounting a decent campaign and pointing out to a largely independent electorate the obvious truth is silly. It reminds me of how the Carter campaign wanted to run against Reagan because who would vote for that crazy radical right wing B actor?

 

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I said it before and I'll say it again....Chris Christie is the ONLY chance for Republicans, but they will be too stubborn to nominate him for being too moderate. I don't think he could beat Hillary but it'd be close. I love Christie and he would get my vote. While I may not agree with all of his politics, I trust that he can get sh*t done, instead of the gridlock we see now. If Hillary gets elected, we'll see the same BS by Republicans blocking every single thing she tries to do, just out of spite, while the only ones who suffer are the American people. Politics as usual I guess.


I agree that Christie would be a great candidate AND probably a competent and effective president. I hope he runs and I disagree that he has no chance. There is no obvious front runner this year. It is a myth that the GOP nominates hard core right wingers. They nominate middle of the road conservatives who are tarred as far right wingers by the Democratic party. Just as the Democrats used to be tarred as far left extremists back in the Republican salad days. Sooner or later a good straight talking Republican candidate will thread the needle as Clinton did back in 92 and the Democrats will not get away with it. Given the likely hangover after 8 years of Democratic misrule, I think Christie could get the nomination AND win the presidency.

 

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Yes, I do believe there is a massive liberal movement going on right now. There is lots of evidence to support it. Obama's 2 victories is the first example. Gay rights has won in recent years. Anyone opposed to gay marriage, or guilty of gay bashing is ridiculed and labeled an endangered species bigot. Pot is slowly becoming accepted and legal all over the country. Then the media/public outrage over stories like Paula Dean, Donald Sterling, the NFL, and dozens of other people who've had to apologize for non-PC comments is the norm. The right doesn't support the above, at least not among the pundits and talk show hosts.
 

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I said it before and I'll say it again....Chris Christie is the ONLY chance for Republicans, but they will be too stubborn to nominate him for being too moderate.


Funny, they weren't too stubborn to nominate McCain and Romney.

 

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Funny how people see things differently. I, and many others, didn't see them as moderate at all. They came off as staunch conservatives to me.
 

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Funny how people see things differently. I, and many others, didn't see them as moderate at all. They came off as staunch conservatives to me.


Take it from a staunch Conservative.....No.


 

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Funny how people see things differently. I, and many others, didn't see them as moderate at all. They came off as staunch conservatives to me.


Take it from a staunch Conservative.....No.


They could not win with those two, they would get beaten much worse if they ran ricky perry, ted cruz, newt or that retarded, wanna-be bass player, dough-boy from arkansas

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Romney's biggest problem, IMO, is no one really knew what to make of him. His campaign rhetoric was very conservative, but that never lined up all that well with his record and previous policy positions, leaving voters on the left and the right wondering what they could expect from a President Romney.

I have to wonder that if this was 2011 or 2012 would he have ever come out and said something like this:

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney on Thursday morning said he supports an increase in the minimum wage, breaking with many Republicans who have stood against it.

“I, for instance, as you know, part company with many of the conservatives in my party on the issue of the minimum wage. I think we ought to raise it,” the 2012 Republican presidential nominee said. “Because frankly, our party is all about more jobs and better pay.”

Romney’s comments come after Senate Republicans rejected a vote on a Senate bill that would have increased the minimum wage to $10.10. Recently, though, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, both of whom also ran for the Republican nomination in 2012, said they supported some increase in the minimum wage.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/mitt-romney-minimum-wage-106524.html



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Funny how people see things differently. I, and many others, didn't see them as moderate at all. They came off as staunch conservatives to me.


Take it from a staunch Conservative.....No.


They could not win with those two, they would get beaten much worse if they ran ricky perry, ted cruz, newt or that retarded, wanna-be bass player, dough-boy from arkansas

[Edited on 10/10/2014 by pops42]

Is it too much to ask for you to not use the "r" as a pejorative?

http://www.r-word.org/

 

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  posted on 10/10/2014 at 02:20 PM
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Funny how people see things differently. I, and many others, didn't see them as moderate at all. They came off as staunch conservatives to me.


Take it from a staunch Conservative.....No.


They could not win with those two, they would get beaten much worse if they ran ricky perry, ted cruz, newt or that retarded, wanna-be bass player, dough-boy from arkansas

[Edited on 10/10/2014 by pops42]

Is it too much to ask for you to not use the "r" as a pejorative?

http://www.r-word.org/


"retarded" means "slow". I did not mean to denigrate anyone except mike huckleberry.

 

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  posted on 10/10/2014 at 02:50 PM
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Funny how people see things differently. I, and many others, didn't see them as moderate at all. They came off as staunch conservatives to me.


Take it from a staunch Conservative.....No.


They could not win with those two, they would get beaten much worse if they ran ricky perry, ted cruz, newt or that retarded, wanna-be bass player, dough-boy from arkansas

[Edited on 10/10/2014 by pops42]

Is it too much to ask for you to not use the "r" as a pejorative?

http://www.r-word.org/


"retarded" means "slow". I did not mean to denigrate anyone except mike huckleberry.

I am trying to be respectful, but I have strong feelings on this issue and it doesn't take much to get me riled up so apologies in advance if I go overboard...

So, you must mean "slow" in terms of speed? As in, he doesn't run fast, he runs slow? Actually, I know what retarded means and I know you didn't mean slow in terms of speed. You used it as a pejorative (as in the informal definition below) and in the process you managed to insult everyone with intellectual disabilities, whether you meant to or not. So congratulations for that. Please go to the website I posted and educate yourself. Or better yet take 30 seconds and watch this: http://youtu.be/T549VoLca_Q


 

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