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  posted on 9/11/2014 at 06:16 PM
President Obama appeared before the US people to explain the actions he will take as Commander in Chief against the Islamic State in the Levant (ISIL).

Here is the speech, and the yellow tabs to the left have a writer's opinion on some of the points.

What do you think about US intervention back into Iraq and Syria?

(I will only say Islamic prophecy says the war in Syria will not be fast, and will be the prelude to a prolonged war where the war spreads to Italy and the Pope is assassinated and after that the other nations over there become involved in an all out us vs. them war where Jesus himself returns as a fighter. He will hail from Syria).

http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2014/sep/11/obama-speech-isis- analysis

 

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Well, I bet you are just in hog heaven over all this, aren't you? You enlisted in ISIS yet, or just sending checks?

We should form a coalition of civilized states to seize the oil fields, and hold them while the poor delusional fanatics fight it out amongst themselves.

If the British had just done this in the first place, there never would have been any trouble. The camel caravans would have just passed in the distance, the occasional skirmish, but as long as we left the water holes alone, nobody would have really cared what we were up to out in the wasteland. We would have been aliens, eventually accepted as part of the landscape.

But no, the British thought everyone had to be British, and should live in proper countries and have proper jobs, and not live in tents and things, so they drew a bunch of arbitrary boundary lines on a map, appointed ministers, and gave them Oxford educations and sacks of gold, indoor plumbing and the telephone, next thing there are a pack of spoiled princes running around demanding a piece of the pie that they never would have been able to bake for themselves in the first place.

They never needed oil, they never had to know what it was or what it was for. We could have installed camel migration passes under the pipelines, and easily defended the oil fields.

As far as Israel goes, it is a done deal, we should cede South Jersey to them and call it New Israel, it wouldn't change the state very much.


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an all out us vs. them war where Jesus himself returns as a fighter. He will hail from Syria).


Precisely the kind of barbaric mythology that should have served as a warning, back in the 19th century, not to engage with these people on any kind of intellectual, political, or economic level. All very fascinating and exciting as a cultural mystery, but disastrous for any practical discourse.

So what if they originally invented civilzation, mathematics, and the like? They forgot it all and went back to the stone age, just as they will do again, if we stop interfering.



[Edited on 9/12/2014 by BrerRabbit]

 

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  posted on 9/12/2014 at 11:19 AM

 

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  posted on 9/12/2014 at 11:22 AM
Not sure what the New Israel comment refers to; nor which side the sarcasm lies on. But yes; the US very much supports Israel (perhaps because it is the only Mid East Country where beheadings are not public sport.
 

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Not sure what the New Israel comment refers to; nor which side the sarcasm lies on. But yes; the US very much supports Israel (perhaps because it is the only Mid East Country where beheadings are not public sport.


This latter point seems to elude so many.

 

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Ok, of course the idea of relocating Israel to South Jersey is a joke. Pretty abstract sarcasm, sorry, although we have to admit that the lion's share of support for Israel comes from the Tri State Area. The point being that the establishment of Israel is pretty much what has had the Middle East in a constant crisis for all these decades. So what if they don't have beheadings and stonings, and hand chopping and honor killing and clitoridectomy ? It was a big mistake to put that colony there in the first place. Give the Middle East back to the Arabs. Although, and seriously, I think the Israelis are brilliant enough to thrive anywhere, there aren't that many of them, so let them have a huge chunk of U.S. territory, 20 times the size of Israel, and watch them turn our wasted backcountry into an agrarian paradise, and a communal example of how the entire planet should live. Think about it, how many zillions of US $ get poured into Israel every year? Doesn't this just amount to maintaining a US state over there? That amount of $ could probably buy them South Jersey a hundred times over.

The sarcasm wasn't on any side. Just something I've noticed in interviews with Israelis, there are a lot of Jersey and New York accents over there.

And get the USA the hell out of Middle Eastern politics, just keep the oil fields, which they will be too primitive to use anyway if they keep on feuding over their archaic fables.

Trying to guess my position, well, personally I view this whole Abrahamic mess as a form of mass psychosis, and the sooner we separate the opposing sides of the Santa Claus wars, the sooner there will be some kind of stability in the Middle East. If the Israelis keep on pounding the Gaza Strip the nukes are going to start flying, count on it.

Muslims and Christians and Jews, oh my ! As we skip down the yellowcake road to self-foolfooling profitsy.



[Edited on 9/12/2014 by BrerRabbit]

 

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Jesus himself returns as a fighter. He will hail from Syria


Are you sure this wasn't an acid vision you had while watching Duane perform at the Syria Mosque?
The similarities are striking.

 

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  posted on 9/12/2014 at 11:07 PM
I think Obama has wanted to bomb Syria for quite awhile. I'm opposed to bombing, to the killing of innocent women and children, to the cost of war and to the never ending US intervention that is the hallmark of this Empire.

 

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Ok, of course the idea of relocating Israel to South Jersey is a joke. Pretty abstract sarcasm, sorry, although we have to admit that the lion's share of support for Israel comes from the Tri State Area. The point being that the establishment of Israel is pretty much what has had the Middle East in a constant crisis for all these decades. So what if they don't have beheadings and stonings, and hand chopping and honor killing and clitoridectomy ? It was a big mistake to put that colony there in the first place. Give the Middle East back to the Arabs. Although, and seriously, I think the Israelis are brilliant enough to thrive anywhere, there aren't that many of them, so let them have a huge chunk of U.S. territory, 20 times the size of Israel, and watch them turn our wasted backcountry into an agrarian paradise, and a communal example of how the entire planet should live. Think about it, how many zillions of US $ get poured into Israel every year? Doesn't this just amount to maintaining a US state over there? That amount of $ could probably buy them South Jersey a hundred times over.

The sarcasm wasn't on any side. Just something I've noticed in interviews with Israelis, there are a lot of Jersey and New York accents over there.

And get the USA the hell out of Middle Eastern politics, just keep the oil fields, which they will be too primitive to use anyway if they keep on feuding over their archaic fables.

Trying to guess my position, well, personally I view this whole Abrahamic mess as a form of mass psychosis, and the sooner we separate the opposing sides of the Santa Claus wars, the sooner there will be some kind of stability in the Middle East. If the Israelis keep on pounding the Gaza Strip the nukes are going to start flying, count on it.

Muslims and Christians and Jews, oh my ! As we skip down the yellowcake road to self-foolfooling profitsy.



[Edited on 9/12/2014 by BrerRabbit]


I think the belief that the establishment of Israel is responsible for the constant turmoil in the Middle East is a bit simplistic. Hard to believe that the regional infighting in the region (Eqypt a few years ago; Syria, et al) with one segment of the country trying to eliminate the other stems from Israel. You can go back thousands of years; go back to the Crusades. Hamas' charter may call for the elimination of Israel; Jihad calls for the elimination of all infidels. Selling out Israel (even if one believes that the US has been overly supportive) will not end the situation.

 

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  posted on 9/13/2014 at 10:18 AM
What he just said x2. Middle Eastern culture is very different from our own Western culture. We keep expectig hem to "evolve" into us. Ain't gonna happen. Their culture has been around much longer than ours.

 

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Thanks for catching the ball and throwing it back instead of firing up the flamethrower.

I absolutely agree, the "move Israel" argument is simplistic. And I agree that the Middle Eastern infighting is ancient. It should have been clear that I think that Israel is superior to the rest of the world in many respects, e.g. in terms of how to make marginal land blossom, and the kibbutz model will be how we all must live, in the final shakedown, if we are to survive in any kind of civilized manner.

I don't think the Arabs will ever stop fighting each other, the Sunni/Shia schism is their Achilles Heel. It just seems pointless for us to be involved in it, and it can actually work to our advantage. If Israel is constantly bristling militarily to defend their tiny strip of land, and aggravating the Gaza sore, antagonizing Egypt, Lebanon, it is obvious that at some point Iran is going to lob a nuke their way, then WW3, boom, like that. Israel is the anchor of the West in that region, whatever befalls Israel, befalls all of us.

The Middle East has been given plenty of opportunity to come to the table, and they never will, limited as they are by their barbaric and warlike tribal belief system. Time to disengage, and fall back to keep what was ours in the first place, the oil, which again, they never would have known about, it wasn't anyhwere near any land they cared about, their towns and fields, so we should just let them go at each other and ignore them. Maybe throw some payoffs to the small elite so they can practice sodomy in Dubai, but other than that, cut them off.

Of course, there is Iran. It is possible that if the West just faded into the oil fields, and Israel moved to the Pine Barrens, Iran would calm down, perhaps blow a bunch of resources with some failed expansionism, and eventually go back to its traditional Persian boundaries. Who knows? The whole show is BS, time to back out.

 

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Well, I bet you are just in hog heaven over all this, aren't you? You enlisted in ISIS yet, or just sending checks?

We should form a coalition of civilized states to seize the oil fields, and hold them while the poor delusional fanatics fight it out amongst themselves.

If the British had just done this in the first place, there never would have been any trouble. The camel caravans would have just passed in the distance, the occasional skirmish, but as long as we left the water holes alone, nobody would have really cared what we were up to out in the wasteland. We would have been aliens, eventually accepted as part of the landscape.

But no, the British thought everyone had to be British, and should live in proper countries and have proper jobs, and not live in tents and things, so they drew a bunch of arbitrary boundary lines on a map, appointed ministers, and gave them Oxford educations and sacks of gold, indoor plumbing and the telephone, next thing there are a pack of spoiled princes running around demanding a piece of the pie that they never would have been able to bake for themselves in the first place.

They never needed oil, they never had to know what it was or what it was for. We could have installed camel migration passes under the pipelines, and easily defended the oil fields.

As far as Israel goes, it is a done deal, we should cede South Jersey to them and call it New Israel, it wouldn't change the state very much.


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an all out us vs. them war where Jesus himself returns as a fighter. He will hail from Syria).


Precisely the kind of barbaric mythology that should have served as a warning, back in the 19th century, not to engage with these people on any kind of intellectual, political, or economic level. All very fascinating and exciting as a cultural mystery, but disastrous for any practical discourse.

So what if they originally invented civilzation, mathematics, and the like? They forgot it all and went back to the stone age, just as they will do again, if we stop interfering.



[Edited on 9/12/2014 by BrerRabbit]


I do not believe in war, I would be a conscientious objector. Jesus will return, this is the belief among Jews, Christians and Muslims. All religions agree on this. The Christian and Muslim prophecies agree on this too. Whatever your faith is, find out from your prophecies how it will all play out. I don't think he will be fighting as a member of the current Islamic State, but I am reasonably sure there will be some Afghans in his camp that aid and assist him.

Ceding New Jersey? If you tried, I have no doubt, Chris Christie would become a modern day Rough Rider like Teddy Roosevelt was. He will not surrender to anybody. So that idea is off the table.

One thing you should know is that when the world financial collapse happens and things change in the world, when governments of many countries fail due to financial insufficiency, political turmoil and public unrest, the United Nations will be proposed as the one world government and they will want to move that to Jerusalem. You will see this in your lifetime. It will be the reasonable solution to individual governments because it will represent all the major and many of the minor countries.

There has been a smoldering Holy War for a long time, people just were not aware of what was going on until they heard Osama and his speeches, and even then they still did not understand. People in the west perceived him as being too zealous and trying to create a war. He basically just got sick of Muslims being westernized as saw that as corrupting Islam. How can they be Muslims and want secular law and democracy? Secular law and democracy are man made laws. The religions have their own laws. He foresaw these Muslims as being dragged away from their faith and he would not accept it. He offerreed his life to try to awaken the Muslims who were straying further away from the religion in favor or the comforting things western life offers, money, possessions, women, etc. etc. To have the happy western life, one has to compromise and serve bosses who are evil, who put money as their main goal in life, and no matter who they have to abuse, exploit to get it, money is the only goal. In his version of Islam a resource based economy where everyone has a decent standard of living is more Islamic. Democracy and secular law love capitalism, which puts people at different classes in society, some at the top, some with nothing. How can you be living in accordance with God's laws when you see some people having nothing?

He did not achieve a fair and just Islamic state, and the differing opinions of the different groups as to how that should be implemented creating factions. The Afghans wanted only to secure their own sovereign borders, the Pakistanis want to join with the Afghans and create a big Islamic state with the two countries. The Iraqis saw our war against them as an opportunity, we take out Saddam and they get the spoils. This is where we are now.

As I said before, I hold the belief that the Afghans hold, we should stay out of other countries wars, we should make out own country what we believe it should be and let each other country run their own country. Look at what we are doing, we fight against the Islamic State fighters, if you kill all of them, then what? More fighters, a different group, until the prophecy in the Bible occurs, two hundred people march up from Egypt to Jerusalem to oust the leader residing there, and that leader will be the anti-Christ. Since you have mostly Muslims in Egypt and those other states, it will be an army of two hundred million Muslims going there.

The foreign policy view was just dismantle Al Qaida everything will get quiet. It didn't. Take out the Pakistani Taliban leaders things will calm down, they never started any fight. They were living quietly in the NWFP, it was only when Muslims were being attacked in Afghanistan that they took up their arms and said oh no, we will not sit back and watch this slaughter. Muslims are not nationalists, they are first and foremost Muslims, which is why when the time described in your Bible comes, two hundred million Muslims will march up to Jerusalem in an attempt to reclaim it.

Like it or not, this war is happening, we are in the beginning stages of it.

 

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Well, all drivel and hoohah about moving Israel to Jersey and Jesus emerging from Syria aside, Gina, I believe you and I are in agreement: US out of the Middle East.

Ok. Now back to the drivel. So, you don't believe in war, but you support a pan-Muslim state in the Middle East, which can only be maintained through constant warfare? As I said before, the Sunnis vs. Shi'a conflict will never cease. I don't know if it is the thick coffee they drink, or what, but these guys get off on waving guns and hollering, kind of like Ted Nugent in a turban. It's their culture. The Middle East will forever be split along tribal lines, that is why your precious ISIL will never succeed. There is no such thing as any kind of permanent boundaries in the shifting sands of the Muslim cultural desert. (Sorry if that is offensive, but anyone who outlaws music and free artistic expression lives in a cultural desert.)

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Jesus will return, this is the belief among Jews, Christians and Muslims. All religions agree on this. The Christian and Muslim prophecies agree on this too.


All religions do not agree on that. Only the Judaic faiths hold this Messianic belief. The Jews don't identify their pending Mashiach by name, and this will be a human being, not a savior from heaven. In addition to all the lucky people on Earth who don't know anything about the Judaic religions, there are plenty of us who don't want anything to do with that toxic dogma. Though raised in that tradition, I have somehow been cured. I think the last straw for me was some compelling arguments that Christianity was a Roman propaganda ploy to derail the rising star of Judaism, which was gaining converts at an alarming rate and threatening the Empire. By making the Messiah arrive, Rome created a diversion, so new converts would adopt Christianity and increase Rome's power. And of course Islam was a spin-off of that. So that is why the New Testament is just a simplified rehash of the Old, and the Koran is just more of the same. And it explains why the anti-Jewish propaganda gets more and more intense as the New Testament progresses.

Maybe it is time to exile anyone who believes this stuff, and wants to fight over which version is correct, to the Middle East so they can have their little Armageddon-gasm without dragging the rest of us into it. Throw them all into the Abrahamic pit of their own making, where they can have holy wars and jihads and crucifixions and lion-feedings and Inquisitions and witch-burnings to their heart's content, and LEAVE THE REST OF US IN PEACE.






 

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The Solution

The following is a plan to solve many problems.

1.) The U.S. takes Mexico.

a.) Everyone in the northern third of Mexico must move to the bottom two-thirds, today.
b.) The U.S. cleans up that northern third because the place is a mess. We will need lots of painters and landscapers for this job but we know where to find plenty.
c.) The bottom two-thirds of Mexico becomes Newest Mexico. Newest Mexico has plenty of natural resources. They will give half of all their good stuff to The U.S. as compensation for pissing us off.
d.) The U.S. keeps Cancun and Cozumel for festivals and necked beaching.

2.) The U.S. gives the top third of what was formally Mexico to Israel.

a.) Israel’s current neighbors want them dead anyway.
b.) The hardcore Israelis will say they are not leaving Jerusalem. Fine, stay if you wish but all of the historical stuff in Israel is being moved west. There are a bunch of dudes with diapers on their heads coming to town.
c.) Our new neighbors on our southern border know how to protect a border and will do for The U.S. what Obama refuses to do, seal the border.
d.) The U.S. turns what is now known as Israel into our new nuclear waste dump. The crap has to go somewhere and Harry Reid won’t allow The U.S. to use the billion dollar facility in Nevada we built for storing our nuclear waste. This new facility might leak but nobody cares.
e.) New Israel agrees to operate a new mega-mother super max prison for The U.S. As soon as it is built the south side of Chicago is relocated there and notice goes out in all American cities that if you want to keep killing yourselves and everyone else in your ghetto, we have a new place to store your ass. BTW, since this new facility is not located in the U.S. you no longer have any rights **** .

This is a work in progress…



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I don't know. Your plan is full of holes. Which makes it holy, so it must be the truth.
 

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I don't know. Your plan is full of holes. Which makes it holy, so it must be the truth.

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Interesting that the liberals here have no plan as usual.

 

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I don't know. Your plan is full of holes. Which makes it holy, so it must be the truth.

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More like a crackpipe dream.



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Yea, you really should stop smoking that crap. It has warped your brain.

Interesting that the liberals here have no plan as usual.

my mistake!, you should be president. you post some of the dumbest sh!t I've ever read here, congratulations!.

 

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Yea, you really should stop smoking that crap. It has warped your brain.

Interesting that the liberals here have no plan as usual.

my mistake!, you should be president. you post some of the dumbest sh!t I've ever read here, congratulations!.

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Where did all this liberal vs. conservative stuff just come from? I thought we were discussing ideas about the Middle East problem. Nothing suggested so far strikes me as more farfetched than the present reality!
 

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You left vs. right folks are as bad as Christian vs. Muslim, or any other ideological stalemate.
 

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Can't think for yourselves so you have to parrot some bogus party line.
 

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I don't know. Your plan is full of holes. Which makes it holy, so it must be the truth.

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More like a crackpipe dream.



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Yea, you really should stop smoking that crap. It has warped your brain.

Interesting that the liberals here have no plan as usual.

my mistake!, you should be president. you post some of the dumbest sh!t I've ever read here, congratulations!.

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It is easy to see how an amateur and complete failure like Obama could get elected.
People like you, also with no ideas or intelligence voted for him.


unlike the republicans who have ALL the ideas, and 99% of the morons who vote for them are voting against their economic survival. but not YOU, mommie is paying all your bills while you spend your days in the trailer with play-station and rush limpdick on the radio.

 

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Ok let's cut to the chase, I get sick of all this dempublicrat bickering, when both parties have always been gung-ho for war. It's all the same party, just different party hats.

USA out of the Middle East - YES or NO ? Not some wishy washy it's too complicated, Afghanistan, Golan heights, or military advisors, or porkbarrel contractor mercenaries, or oil fields or mob heroin interests, just YES or NO !

I say YES !

 
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