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  posted on 9/10/2014 at 07:40 AM
I've been wondering what the deciding factors were. Thanks to Georgia State Senator Millar I guess I now know.

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Georgia Republican: I prefer ‘educated voters’ to an influx of ‘African-American shoppers’
By Arturo Garcia
Tuesday, September 9, 2014 21:11 EDT

A Republican state senator in Georgia sparked a dispute with a pastor in his district after complaining about early voting being implemented in a predominantly African-American neighborhood, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported.

“I would prefer more educated voters than a greater increase in the number of voters,” state Sen. Fran Millar (R) wrote on his Facebook page. “If you don’t believe this is an efort [sic] to maximize Democratic votes pure and simple, then you are not a realist. This is a partisan stunt and I hope it can be stopped.”

Earlier in the day, Millar posted a statement criticizing the county’s interim CEO, Lee May, for allowing early voting on Oct. 26, a Sunday, at several polling places in DeKalb County, including one at South DeKalb Mall.

“Per Jim Galloway of the AJC, this location is dominated by African American shoppers and it is near several large African American mega churches such as New Birth Missionary Baptist,” Millar wrote.

When DuBose Porter, who chairs the state’s Democratic Party, accused Millar of wanting to stifle votes in Black neighborhoods, Millar issued a follow-up statement rejecting that argument.

“I defined educated as being informed on the issues,” Millar wrote. “Finally Mr. Porter is welcome to look at my DeKalb NAACP award, so don’t try to accuse me of trying to suppress the African-American vote.”

But Millar was then ripped by Raphael G. Warnock, the pastor for Ebenezer Baptist Church, in a message to the Journal-Constitution. “While he boasts that he has an NAACP award, as if that shields him from the wrongheadedness of his recent remarks and threats, he should not kid himself. So does Donald Sterling,” Warnock stated. “Fran Millar must apologize immediately for this insult to the African American community and to the fine people of Georgia for suggesting the worst about who we are today.”

Warnock argued that the early voting day would open up opportunities for people who work during the week to be able to reach the polls.

“Senator Millar’s statement that he would prefer ‘more educated’ voters rather than those who attend ‘several large African-American mega churches’ in DeKalb County is a clear and unabashed echo from our ugly and painful racial past,” Warnock’s statement read. “How does he propose to determine who is more educated? Literacy tests? Grandfather clauses? Poll taxes? We have been there before.”

[h/t Talking Points Memo]

Arturo Garcia


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/georgia-republican-i-prefer-educated- voters-to-an-influx-of-african-american-shoppers/

[Edited on 9/10/2014 by BillyBlastoff]

 

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Why do you call the black people of DeKalb County “low info voters”?

The State Senator did not. The race based flame throwers quoted in the newspaper article made an assumption that he did in an effort to suppress the black vote.

That is the usual cry of the liberals who apparently need voter fraud to win an election.

Early voting invites voter fraud. It has been proven that in district that have early voting many vote have been cast multiple times by the same voter.

In the states that want voters to prove their identity, the liberals scream that The Republicans are trying to disenfranchise the black vote. Total crap. Those so-called disenfranchised voters have the required ID to get their handouts. If you wanted to complain to Holder about his efforts to support voter fraud, you are required to have an ID to get into his building.
Also in the States that want to curtail voter fraud they offer free IDs for anyone who wants one.

The Democrats have been in the voter fraud business for decades through such efforts as ACORN, voter registration in prisons and opposing any effort to clean up the voter registration rolls.
In South Carolina, the state wanted to clean the voter rolls of dead people, many of which still vote often. The democrats yet again went crying to the newspapers that The Republicans were going after the black vote (even the dead ones).

BTW - Raphael G. Warnock, the pastor for Ebenezer Baptist Church, used his pulpit regularly to demand that “his peoples” must vote for Obama as it is their responsibility to their race.

BTW- DeKalb County GA is 55% black and have elected Fran Millar their representative since 1999.

But back to the low-info voters – why do you call the black people of DeKalb County that?


[Edited on 9/10/2014 by Muleman1994]

 

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You have to understand that Democrats have trouble winning elections without tricks and tactics. They have a problem winning on ideas, unless it's sounding like a Republican to get elected. If they came out with their true beliefs, philosophies, and intentions they would rarely win any election.

As the 2016 election unfolds, you're bound to see the same page from the same playbook. They will be out to convince as many people as possible that Republicans hate women and minorities and the poor, want dirty air and dirty water, want old people to die, don't want people to get healthcare, care only about the rich, want to outlaw abortion and birth control, too extreme, insane, crazy, reckless, terrorists, ect, ect, ect.

 

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You have to understand that Democrats have trouble winning elections without tricks and tactics. They have a problem winning on ideas, unless it's sounding like a Republican to get elected. If they came out with their true beliefs, philosophies, and intentions they would rarely win any election.

As the 2016 election unfolds, you're bound to see the same page from the same playbook. They will be out to convince as many people as possible that Republicans hate women and minorities and the poor, want dirty air and dirty water, want old people to die, don't want people to get healthcare, care only about the rich, want to outlaw abortion and birth control, too extreme, insane, crazy, reckless, terrorists, ect, ect, ect.

Right, Alloak. Why don't you look at all the voter suppression efforts put in place by GOP lead states and see what your conclusions would be. Start with North Carolina. Take a look at Boone, NC and it's largest voting precinct at App. State University. Certainly it's the tricks of the Dems...right?

 

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You have to understand that Democrats have trouble winning elections without tricks and tactics. They have a problem winning on ideas, unless it's sounding like a Republican to get elected. If they came out with their true beliefs, philosophies, and intentions they would rarely win any election.

As the 2016 election unfolds, you're bound to see the same page from the same playbook. They will be out to convince as many people as possible that Republicans hate women and minorities and the poor, want dirty air and dirty water, want old people to die, don't want people to get healthcare, care only about the rich, want to outlaw abortion and birth control, too extreme, insane, crazy, reckless, terrorists, ect, ect, ect.

Right, Alloak. Why don't you look at all the voter suppression efforts put in place by GOP lead states and see what your conclusions would be. Start with North Carolina. Take a look at Boone, NC and it's largest voting precinct at App. State University. Certainly it's the tricks of the Dems...right?


I've never seen any real proof that voter turnout is affected one way or another.

Opponents of voter-ID laws contend that voter fraud is far too rare to even worry about. I'll have to assume the same about voter suppression, not enough of a problem to worry about.

 

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You have to understand that Democrats have trouble winning elections without tricks and tactics. They have a problem winning on ideas, unless it's sounding like a Republican to get elected. If they came out with their true beliefs, philosophies, and intentions they would rarely win any election.

As the 2016 election unfolds, you're bound to see the same page from the same playbook. They will be out to convince as many people as possible that Republicans hate women and minorities and the poor, want dirty air and dirty water, want old people to die, don't want people to get healthcare, care only about the rich, want to outlaw abortion and birth control, too extreme, insane, crazy, reckless, terrorists, ect, ect, ect.

Right, Alloak. Why don't you look at all the voter suppression efforts put in place by GOP lead states and see what your conclusions would be. Start with North Carolina. Take a look at Boone, NC and it's largest voting precinct at App. State University. Certainly it's the tricks of the Dems...right?


I've never seen any real proof that voter turnout is affected one way or another.

Opponents of voter-ID laws contend that voter fraud is far too rare to even worry about. I'll have to assume the same about voter suppression, not enough of a problem to worry about.


Alloak,

How many of these GOP initiatives in North Carolina are really needed? Who is the target demographic? What is the real purpose? Do you agree with these?


Implementing a strict voter ID requirement that bars citizens who don’t have a proper photo ID from casting a ballot.

Eliminating same-day voter registration, which allowed residents to register at the polls.

Cutting early voting by a full week.

Increasing the influence of money in elections by raising the maximum campaign contribution to $5,000 and increasing the limit every two years.

Making it easier for voter suppression groups like True The Vote to challenge any voter who they think may be ineligible by requiring that challengers simply be registered in the same county, rather than precinct, of those they challenge.

Vastly increasing the number of “poll observers” and increasing what they’re permitted to do. In 2012, ThinkProgress caught the Romney campaign training such poll observers using highly misleading information.

Only permitting citizens to vote in their specific precinct, rather than casting a ballot in any nearby ward or election district. This can lead to widespread confusion, particularly in urban areas where many precincts can often be housed in the same building.

Barring young adults from pre-registering as 16- and 17-year-olds, which is permitted by current law, and repealing a state directive that high schools conduct voter registration drives in order to boost turnout among young voters.

Prohibiting some types of paid voter registration drives, which tend to register poor and minority citizens.

Dismantling three state public financing programs, including the landmark program that funded judicial elections.

Weakening disclosure requirements for outside spending groups.

Preventing counties from extending polling hours in the event of long lines or other extraordinary circumstances and making it more difficult for them to accommodate elderly or disabled voters with satellite polling sites at nursing homes, for instance.


 

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  posted on 9/10/2014 at 01:42 PM
If somebody wants to vote and it's something that's important to them, it's not that difficult. For anybody.
 

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  posted on 9/10/2014 at 02:22 PM
[As the 2016 election unfolds, you're bound to see the same page from the same playbook. They will be out to convince as many people as possible that Republicans hate women and minorities and the poor, want dirty air and dirty water, want old people to die, don't want people to get healthcare, care only about the rich, want to outlaw abortion and birth control, too extreme, insane, crazy, reckless, terrorists, ect, ect, ect.]

If these statements are so ludicrous, Republicans should be able to easily debunk them, right?

 

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If somebody wants to vote and it's something that's important to them, it's not that difficult. For anybody.


It's easy to post that on a band's web site and glaze over the real issues. On the other hand, if you drill down into the wacked out North Carolina initiatives, you wouldn't so easily and nonchalantly glaze over serious efforts to restrict vote. But I have to keep in mind that I'm talking to someone who would dismiss this as nonsense. Denial is an easy escape.

 

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  posted on 9/10/2014 at 03:09 PM
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Implementing a strict voter ID requirement that bars citizens who don’t have a proper photo ID from casting a ballot.



Agreed on this one. Is getting to the DMV for some form of I.D. any tougher than getting to a polling place?...How bad do you want it? Voting in itself is NOT brain surgery. If you can not read, you should not be voting. If you don't give a rat's a**, you shouldn't be voting. If you can not even take the time to acquire valid I.D., how in the hell do you conduct your financial affairs? I could go on and on.....

 

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Implementing a strict voter ID requirement that bars citizens who don’t have a proper photo ID from casting a ballot.



Agreed on this one. Is getting to the DMV for some form of I.D. any tougher than getting to a polling place?...How bad do you want it? Voting in itself is NOT brain surgery. If you can not read, you should not be voting. If you don't give a rat's a**, you shouldn't be voting. If you can not even take the time to acquire valid I.D., how in the hell do you conduct your financial affairs? I could go on and on.....




I agree with you on that one. But let us look at the entire menu of actions; not just voter id. Several of the others are reasonable, but on balance, it's targeted initiatives like the list I've filtered below which are questionable that are aimed at limiting vote. Some of these are blatantly geared towards minimizing vote - example: Cutting early voting by a week. Do you have a problem with the state implementing this & the list below, or do you think these are good ideas to put into law? Do you see these actions as limiting the vote of those sectors who would probably vote for Democrats?

The goal of this country should be to increase turnout; not to reduce it. As a corollary to this, the mission should be to have more people politically engaged; not have them limited for superfluous reasons & political tactics orchestrated by the GOP. Look at the restrictive measures at a detail level state to state (excluding the voter id requirement), and it's pretty obvious what the GOP goal is, and it's not expanded participation. The North Carolina filtered list follows:

Eliminating same-day voter registration, which allowed residents to register at the polls.

Cutting early voting by a full week.

Making it easier for voter suppression groups like True The Vote to challenge any voter who they think may be ineligible by requiring that challengers simply be registered in the same county, rather than precinct, of those they challenge.

Vastly increasing the number of “poll observers” and increasing what they’re permitted to do. In 2012, ThinkProgress caught the Romney campaign training such poll observers using highly misleading information.

Only permitting citizens to vote in their specific precinct, rather than casting a ballot in any nearby ward or election district. This can lead to widespread confusion, particularly in urban areas where many precincts can often be housed in the same building.

Barring young adults from pre-registering as 16- and 17-year-olds, which is permitted by current law, and repealing a state directive that high schools conduct voter registration drives in order to boost turnout among young voters.

Prohibiting some types of paid voter registration drives, which tend to register poor and minority citizens.

Dismantling three state public financing programs, including the landmark program that funded judicial elections.

Preventing counties from extending polling hours in the event of long lines or other extraordinary circumstances and making it more difficult for them to accommodate elderly or disabled voters with satellite polling sites at nursing homes, for instance.




 

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  posted on 9/10/2014 at 04:46 PM
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[As the 2016 election unfolds, you're bound to see the same page from the same playbook. They will be out to convince as many people as possible that Republicans hate women and minorities and the poor, want dirty air and dirty water, want old people to die, don't want people to get healthcare, care only about the rich, want to outlaw abortion and birth control, too extreme, insane, crazy, reckless, terrorists, ect, ect, ect.]

If these statements are so ludicrous, Republicans should be able to easily debunk them, right?


Judging from the amount of entitled, needy, gullible stooges? I'm not so sure.

 

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If somebody wants to vote and it's something that's important to them, it's not that difficult. For anybody.


It's easy to post that on a band's web site and glaze over the real issues. On the other hand, if you drill down into the wacked out North Carolina initiatives, you wouldn't so easily and nonchalantly glaze over serious efforts to restrict vote. But I have to keep in mind that I'm talking to someone who would dismiss this as nonsense. Denial is an easy escape.

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Yet another Ignorant response.

Characterizing this Forum as "a band's website. is wrong. This "Whipping Post" forum was established for exactly what happens here.

The "restrict the vote" is a false claim. Republican work to true the vote meaning that we want everyone eligible to to to participate and only them.
What we object to is the democrats never ending voter fraud efforts.

Try again but leave your ignorant comments in the trash were they belong.


 

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You think the Democrats are going to pass up another chance to manufacture a scenario to convince certain groups that they're victims? Victims of GOP meanies, even though the rules are the same for everybody.
 

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  posted on 9/10/2014 at 05:10 PM
So show us all the documented voter fraud that conservatives are fighting against ........ there doesn't seem to be any.....

Also, the issues in many areas are that many older people need to get birth and marriage licences to get the ID cards - and it is very difficult in some areas - Texas comes to mind ..... where women who changed their names had to get new documentation...

 

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Liberals generally favor laws, rules, and regulations designed to prevent anything bad from ever happening. But where elections are concerned, they're oddly reserved and trusting in this area. Weird.


 

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Liberals generally favor laws, rules, and regulations designed to prevent anything bad from ever happening. But where elections are concerned, they're oddly reserved and trusting in this area. Weird.


There have been very few instances of voter fraud, which is what these laws purport to address. All these laws do is restrict eligible people from voting. Tell me Alloak, which is worse: 5 people casting an illegal ballot or 500 people being denied the right to vote?

 

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If somebody wants to vote and it's something that's important to them, it's not that difficult. For anybody.


It's easy to post that on a band's web site and glaze over the real issues. On the other hand, if you drill down into the wacked out North Carolina initiatives, you wouldn't so easily and nonchalantly glaze over serious efforts to restrict vote. But I have to keep in mind that I'm talking to someone who would dismiss this as nonsense. Denial is an easy escape.

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Yet another Ignorant response.

Characterizing this Forum as "a band's website. is wrong. This "Whipping Post" forum was established for exactly what happens here.

The "restrict the vote" is a false claim. Republican work to true the vote meaning that we want everyone eligible to to to participate and only them.
What we object to is the democrats never ending voter fraud efforts.

Try again but leave your ignorant comments in the trash were they belong.




I won't get into a pi$$ing contest with you because I don't bottom feed. I guess I'm misinformed that this is the Allman Brothers Band official site. Thanks for informing us of that. Might this be another of your many incorrect statements?

I'll leave with this. Try a class in Writing 101. Your writing skills, incorrect use of grammar, poor spelling, and bad use of punctuation detract even further from your self-serving and mostly inaccurate posts. You've done a good job of alienating most of the people who post on this site, but I doubt that someone who is so all-knowing could realize this or believe it to be true.

Like others who post here, I disagree some with those on the other side of the argument. But none of those on the other side of issues are as self-serving and degrading as you & your posts. They are civil in their posts.

 

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Please explain how requiring someone to show ID and prove who they are “disenfranchises” blacks from voting?


 

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Liberals generally favor laws, rules, and regulations designed to prevent anything bad from ever happening. But where elections are concerned, they're oddly reserved and trusting in this area. Weird.


There have been very few instances of voter fraud, which is what these laws purport to address. All these laws do is restrict eligible people from voting. Tell me Alloak, which is worse: 5 people casting an illegal ballot or 500 people being denied the right to vote?



Nobody is being denied the right to vote. Everyone is expected to follow the same rules, so how can anybody claim they're being denied the right to vote? If the rules differed from group to group you might have a point.

 

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Liberals generally favor laws, rules, and regulations designed to prevent anything bad from ever happening. But where elections are concerned, they're oddly reserved and trusting in this area. Weird.


There have been very few instances of voter fraud, which is what these laws purport to address. All these laws do is restrict eligible people from voting. Tell me Alloak, which is worse: 5 people casting an illegal ballot or 500 people being denied the right to vote?



Nobody is being denied the right to vote. Everyone is expected to follow the same rules, so how can anybody claim they're being denied the right to vote? If the rules differed from group to group you might have a point.


Nice side-step, something you always do when you don't have an answer. But remember, voting laws differ from state to state, even county to county. So rules are different between different people.


Now, which is worse, 5 people voting illegally or 500 qualified people being denied the right to vote?

 

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[As the 2016 election unfolds, you're bound to see the same page from the same playbook. They will be out to convince as many people as possible that Republicans hate women and minorities and the poor, want dirty air and dirty water, want old people to die, don't want people to get healthcare, care only about the rich, want to outlaw abortion and birth control, too extreme, insane, crazy, reckless, terrorists, ect, ect, ect.]

If these statements are so ludicrous, Republicans should be able to easily debunk them, right?
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Judging from the amount of entitled, needy, gullible stooges? I'm not so sure.


Right. The blue states are the stooges, and the red states are the smart ones. Got it.

 

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You think the Democrats are going to pass up another chance to manufacture a scenario to convince certain groups that they're victims? Victims of GOP meanies, even though the rules are the same for everybody.


Each side partakes in this. Republicans play the victim card for the rich...that they are victims of socialism, vicitms of having to take care of the lazy, and victims of tax abuse by the government. Then there's the victim card for the religious right...that they are victims of censorship and the political correctness of civil and human rights. The victim card for true American patriots, who are victims of immigrants that steal American jobs and threaten the racial and religious majority. Both sides play the same ugly game with the same ugly tactics. The only difference is who they fight for.

 

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Liberals generally favor laws, rules, and regulations designed to prevent anything bad from ever happening. But where elections are concerned, they're oddly reserved and trusting in this area. Weird.


There have been very few instances of voter fraud, which is what these laws purport to address. All these laws do is restrict eligible people from voting. Tell me Alloak, which is worse: 5 people casting an illegal ballot or 500 people being denied the right to vote?



Nobody is being denied the right to vote. Everyone is expected to follow the same rules, so how can anybody claim they're being denied the right to vote? If the rules differed from group to group you might have a point.


Nice side-step, something you always do when you don't have an answer. But remember, voting laws differ from state to state, even county to county. So rules are different between different people.


Now, which is worse, 5 people voting illegally or 500 qualified people being denied the right to vote?



1. You obviously missed the point.

2. Again, there is no evidence that turnout is affected one way or another.

 

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Liberals generally favor laws, rules, and regulations designed to prevent anything bad from ever happening. But where elections are concerned, they're oddly reserved and trusting in this area. Weird.


There have been very few instances of voter fraud, which is what these laws purport to address. All these laws do is restrict eligible people from voting. Tell me Alloak, which is worse: 5 people casting an illegal ballot or 500 people being denied the right to vote?



Nobody is being denied the right to vote. Everyone is expected to follow the same rules, so how can anybody claim they're being denied the right to vote? If the rules differed from group to group you might have a point.


Nice side-step, something you always do when you don't have an answer. But remember, voting laws differ from state to state, even county to county. So rules are different between different people.


Now, which is worse, 5 people voting illegally or 500 qualified people being denied the right to vote?



1. You obviously missed the point.

2. Again, there is no evidence that turnout is affected one way or another.

1. I asked a question. How could I have missed a point?
2. Then why are the Republicans trying to get those laws in place?

 
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