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  posted on 8/17/2014 at 03:44 PM
I know from being on these boards for awhile that those in the David Gilmour camp are big in numbers.

Those fans of Roger Waters, not so much. Well, I'm one of those.

I've never seen Pink Floyd live, as when that was a possibility for me as a youth, Waters had left the band.

I've seen Waters several times solo band.

Anyhow - Radio K.A.O.S is one of my favorite discs of all time, in my collection, that I turn to time and time again and am never disappointed.


Just saying - my opinion.

Pete Townshend I believe said about the Stones solo projects, Mick n Keith - "you can take the Mick out of Mick, but you can't take the Keith out of Keith."

That's how i feel about the Floyd. I know their history, but to me, Roger Waters is the Floyd in all ways. So when he left, I discounted further band output.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2014 at 03:50 PM
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  posted on 8/17/2014 at 04:37 PM
I think Pink Floyd, like the Beatles, was a sum greater than its individual parts. Gilmour and Wright are/were brilliant musicians and absolutely perfect for the band, as was Mason, a very musical drummer who played the songs as opposed to the drums exclusively, much like Ringo. I understand why Waters felt he was Pink Floyd, but I disagree. What Pink Floyd became was forged in the aftermath of losing their main songwriter and guitarist just as they were becoming big. As a result, much of their early sets wound up being some extended instrumentals and jams, and the importance of Gilmour, Mason and Wright can't be overestimated. Waters provided much of the vision and direction in the years to follow, but it's impossible for me to imagine these albums and live performances having their power without Gilmour's voice and guitar, Wright's jazz/classical/psychedelic keys and Mason's drumming. And Waters' bass - he was a badass, as live performances bear out. In my opinion, as a recording band, their only peer was the Beatles. And they were/are an unbelievably great live band. I love Pink Floyd and Roger Waters equally and wish they were here together.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2014 at 05:02 PM
I'm with you bro.

I'm not suggesting a Pink Floyd without any of the each valuable band members, Glimour being at the front of that list.

I'm just saying. Hell, i ain't saying a damn thing.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2014 at 06:14 PM
I enjoy both The Division Bell and Amused To Death. I think a combination of the best aspects of both albums would be one of the best Pink Floyd albums ever made.

I feel the same way about Hittin' The Note and Let's All Get Together.

It's too bad that these bands couldn't continue to make music together.

 
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  posted on 8/17/2014 at 10:05 PM
I've seen Gilmore solo twice and Waters 4 times.

It isn't fair to compare the shows. The David Gilmore shows were both in small theaters. There was no bombast, no effects.

That said, if I had the embarrassment of riches to see on or the other on any given night, I would go with Waters - probably 4 out of 5 times.

 

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  posted on 8/17/2014 at 10:21 PM
What makes the post-Floyd efforts tough to judge is IMO they all have a digital post 1970s sheen. Even though DSOTM and WYWH were clearly studio concoctions, they felt lush and organic. Albums like Amused to Death and Division Bell just feel artificial to me despite the killer guitar
 

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  posted on 8/18/2014 at 07:42 AM
I'll take them in any shape or configuration. The Division Bell tour in 1994 was in a football stadium and they made it sound like surround sound in your living room.

I saw The Wall tour twice in 2010 and once in 2012 and that musically and visually took my head apart and put it back together with a few pieces missing.

I want to see PF tour once last time for charity and I don't think that's as far out of the question as it once was.

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  posted on 8/18/2014 at 09:09 AM
Waters is more controversial than the other members, so he has more detractors. His politics, his stance in taking over the band...which I understand; he was prolific, the other members less so, more interested in spending their cash than actually coming up with new material, at least according to the books I've read.
Also, Waters is, what, 6'4", touring over the rest of the band which made him imposing. Throw in that mercurial mouth and I bet he was a handful.

I don't listen much to the post-Waters stuff...pseudo-Floyd especially MLOR reason, which had to be reworked because producers didn't think it sounded enough like Floyd.

I was hoping they would let Waters contribute some lyrics for the new album, because Polly's stuff isn't my cup of tea. Floyd's lyrical genius, imo, was that their music spoke of people generally....the word "I" isn't in most of their songs, but it is in their greatest; CNumb, Fearless, Wish You Were Here. Waters knew how to write in the first person like no other band member, where as without him they flounder in a sea of kinda interesting lyrics.
A far fall from the brilliance of Time, the snide commentary of Money and Have a Cigar, the despondence of Us and Them, the confusion and longing of WYWH, the Hutzpah of Fearless....I could go on, but I think the point is already well made.

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  posted on 8/18/2014 at 10:58 AM
Seriously now - why the heck isn't it possible to love them both?

I love Gilmour's latest solo album "On An Island", I had the extreme pleasure of seeing him at Radio City on the "tour" The Gdansk DVD is great.

Roger Water's tour of "The Wall" was absolutely brilliant. I almost missed it which would have been a crying shame.

Too bad they hate each other, but does that mean you can't love both? No.

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  posted on 8/18/2014 at 11:14 AM
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if I had the embarrassment of riches to see one or the other on any given night, I would go with Waters - probably 4 out of 5 times.


I'm with ya BB & 515, Waters gets my vote as well. I saw Pros & Cons & Radio KAOS tours and was FLOORED both times, as well as the other 3 members for Momentary (didn't have the dough for the 94 PF tour, nor did i manage to see The Wall when he came thru - bummer).

A few peeps mentioned the sound... I will take any/either addition of the band/solo ffolkes when they are using the Quad systems - SUCH AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE!!!! and that they could do it so well for that 94 tour.

THAT is the OTHER THING ABOUT PF - from the early days on, the SOUND of the shows was so very important, and so friggin crazy!!!!

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  posted on 8/18/2014 at 02:50 PM
i sum it up this way....All the good songs and lyrics were written by Waters and a lot of the guitar work was done by snowy white not Gilmour as he has stated in many interviews..Saw floyd in 94 is was more of a big band show than a rock concert.Total snooze fest.have seen waters three times In The Flesh DSOTM and The wall.he blows floyd away.How somebody who wasn't an original member ends up with the name is beyond me.Let's not forget on the MLOR album they only had one original member as Richard Wright was not a member due to legal Reasons he was considered a hired studio musician.

That is my opinion and I am sure so if not all will disagree but that's ok.Everybody is entitled to their opinion.

You can't just blame waters ego gilmours equals his .

 

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  posted on 8/23/2014 at 12:53 PM
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Seriously now - why the heck isn't it possible to love them both?


I agree with you. I have Gilmour solo discs and like them, I just don't like Pink Floyd post Waters, just my opinion.

 

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  posted on 8/23/2014 at 11:21 PM
Ummmm.......you guys do realize that there is no Pink Floyd....don't you?

Do we have to resort to disliking stuff from 20-25 years ago? ;-)


I like them all. Prefer the non-Waters era releases versus The Final Cut.

 

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i sum it up this way....All the good songs and lyrics were written by Waters and a lot of the guitar work was done by snowy white not Gilmour as he has stated in many interviews..Saw floyd in 94 is was more of a big band show than a rock concert.Total snooze fest.have seen waters three times In The Flesh DSOTM and The wall.he blows floyd away.How somebody who wasn't an original member ends up with the name is beyond me.Let's not forget on the MLOR album they only had one original member as Richard Wright was not a member due to legal Reasons he was considered a hired studio musician.

That is my opinion and I am sure so if not all will disagree but that's ok.Everybody is entitled to their opinion.

You can't just blame waters ego gilmours equals his .




Why can't people like both? Have to laugh at calling 94 a big band when Roger had 3 people to fill the Gilmour role or wall tour. 2 different guys sang David parts and I think 3 for guitar parts. Don't know if Roger played any bass. Loved both but roger in 99-00 had no effects and was relatively low budget. Dsotm and wall were more on Floyd scale but seeing David (and Rick) or David's scaled down solo tour around 05 was amazing. Small, intimate setting but still busted out lasers and awesome lighting.

I think David does a better job of chosing songs that don't sound as off without Roger. Hearing fat old sun, wots..the deal, echoes, breathe, etc sound fine without roger. Where roger doing most wall tunes and final cut stuff, set the controls, sheep, etc sound ok w out Gilmour. Comfortably numb needs them both. But like abb and dickey, I still love them both.

Don't know who thinks Snowy White did alot of Gilmour stuff is wrong. He got some live solos but David did the guitars on the albums and alot bass too. And I realize Rick Wright wasn't back full-time by AMLOR but you have to consider him a Floyd. Sure he wasn't on Final Cut but that was as much a roger solo album as Amlor was a Gilmour one. Waters and Gilmour have repaired there relationship some and matured. Why can't there fans? I am a huge floyd fan but left the fan online community since so many were of the Roger did everything and Gilmour is saten or vice versa (usually Gilmour gets more hate)? The 2 really balanced each other out so well.

I think the history and split of floyd reminds me of another band who went thru a lot, then parted ways with there band leader, song writer, alternate singer, original member and continues still. While Dickey plays clubs and small theaters, the band plays to large crowd...roger experienced the same in the 80's. Both bands lost there leader early on do to tragedy, etc. Wierd, especially here on an abb site, Roger is sided with and yet most support abb, led by Warren, continuing on without Dickey. Especially since abb sacked Dickey but Roger waters quit pink Floyd.

Don't know where this large "Gilmour camp" is though, I have experienced the reverse. Hell, Roger just toured the wall for over 2 years in stadiums and large arenas. Cheap seats were $250+. Saw Gilmour solo at Radio city, maybe 6000 people tops (Roger did Yankee stadium) and I think we paid $85 for tix. Since they broke up the positions have flipped. Roger toured Dsotm for 2 years before the wall tour. Enjoyed it every time, but Roger does the same show each nite, we compare him to conductor or directing a psychedelic Broadway show, where Gilmour was more about the music. Not varied like abb, but Gilmour did mix up the sets and have guest sit ins. The wall was better since DSOTM was an album Roger only sang 2 songs on. Although I did see each of Rogers tours twice as he took 2 laps around the world and the 2nd lap did always feature 1 different item (ex DSOTM tours second lap was indoors and had a cool prism effect). Really hope to see David at least 1 more time before I die. I would see Roger again too but he tours more often

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  posted on 8/24/2014 at 11:36 AM
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Enjoyed it every time, but Roger does the same show each nite, we compare him to conductor or directing a psychedelic Broadway show, where Gilmour was more about the music


The Wall was a huge psychedelic spectacular, but I wouldn't say it wasn't about the music. The sound was fantastic.

 

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  posted on 8/24/2014 at 08:25 PM
You know,having seen lots of Floyd tours with Waters,they were great(Dark Side was unbeatable)...the last 'Wall' tour I thought was a drastic change & kind of weak.When Waters left I didn't think they'd ever come close to what Floyd was.I saw Waters first solo
tour w/Clapton as guitarist & I was really excited to see the show! Well I left extremely disappointed(think I left early).
When Floyd toured again without Waters I wasn't expecting tok much...Well they blew me away..was the best Pink Floyd show I ever saw (incl Dark Side & Meddle).
But I recently watched the recent Waters tour DVD of Dark Side & others w/the 3 extra guitarists & I thought he/they did a phenomenal job of duplicating that original tour of Dark Side.

 

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  posted on 8/25/2014 at 02:53 AM
Never was a big Waters fan and since he left PF his out put is quite weak..and H how many times is going to keep on going back to "The Wall"? I am probably in the minority here but "The Wall" is over rated.

 

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  posted on 8/25/2014 at 06:26 AM
Much like Daltrey for Townshend, Gilmour is the best interpreter of Waters music. One without the other isn't the same. However, I will say I like Gilmour's post Waters work more than I like Waters solo work. Gilmour's tone on guitar is irreplaceable. Starting with "The Final Cut" (maybe even "The Wall") Waters' writing became less musical to me.

That said, I've never understood in these broken up band debates (Allmans/Betts, Van Halen/Roth/Hagar, Purple/Blackmore, etc.) why you have to choose one side over the other if you are actually inclined to like both. Music isn't a competition. It's ok to like what comes out from both sides if that's what you like. However, too many people seem to think once there is a split you have to have a home team and a rival.

 

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  posted on 8/25/2014 at 10:25 PM
Nothing personal for me...I just like certain bands & shows...& I think others suck,no other reason than personal taste really.
I'm willing to give anyone a chance..but they better deliver! That's all

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 01:51 PM
I saw the first two Waters solo tours. I remember Paul Carrack was in his band on the Hitchiking tour and they played Tempted. They also did most/all of that record that had just been released and a collection of Floyd classics. Second Radio KOS tour was same format but with focus on that record + Floyd tunes. Great shows! Waters was able to focus more on songs where his vocals were a big part.

I also saw Gilmour, Wright and Mason and guests as Floyd in 1987 and again in back to back nights in 1994. They were great too. The songbook was large enough for them to focus on songs where Gilmour's voice and guitar were a signature component.

And I said it here before, the best post-Wall Floyd related release was Gilmour's second album, About Face. Great stuff on there.

I'd love to see any of the living members in concert again, together or apart!

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