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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 02:38 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/08/1320193/-Three-Charts-to-Email-to- Your-Right-Wing-Brother-In-Law-Updated?detail=email or muleman, alloakie, or jerry

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 03:48 PM
Hopefully he won't notice that according to the first two graphs, the steepest increases by far between 2008 to 2009 are attributed to Bush. Obama passed both the Omnibus spending bill and the Stimulus, but Bush gets the blame for the cost of those programs? Pretty clever, but just a slight misrepresentation.


 

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Where's the charts for the highest number ever on food stamps, or the lowest labor participation rate, or the high rate of youth unemployment, or the insanely high rate of black youth unemployment, or the declining wages of those lucky enough to even find a job, or the percentage of kids still living with their parents after graduating college, or the rise in college tuition debt among said kids who have little hope of paying off said debt (and thereby creating another debt bubble the taxpayers will get hammered with)?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 05:19 PM
Interesting inverted bell curve of the jobs chart on the transition from Bush to Obama.
 

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Where's the charts for the highest number ever on food stamps, or the lowest labor participation rate, or the high rate of youth unemployment, or the insanely high rate of black youth unemployment, or the declining wages of those lucky enough to even find a job, or the percentage of kids still living with their parents after graduating college, or the rise in college tuition debt among said kids who have little hope of paying off said debt (and thereby creating another debt bubble the taxpayers will get hammered with)?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Id lay the reality of low paying [and few] jobs at the feet of the "do nothing" congress, WTF have they done to reverse this? or better yet, what are they doing to bring back jobs from overseas??? a big fat NUTHIN!.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 06:06 PM
I believe that all any administration can and should do is create and maintain an atmosphere where job creation and growth are allowed.
I'm sure you can blame anyone that makes you feel better about this economy but to me it goes back to an atmosphere conducive to growth.

And regardless of any unemployment numbers or jobs created news and graphs, I believe we are not much better off now than we were 3-4 years ago.

 

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Where's the charts for the highest number ever on food stamps, or the lowest labor participation rate, or the high rate of youth unemployment, or the insanely high rate of black youth unemployment, or the declining wages of those lucky enough to even find a job, or the percentage of kids still living with their parents after graduating college, or the rise in college tuition debt among said kids who have little hope of paying off said debt (and thereby creating another debt bubble the taxpayers will get hammered with)?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Id lay the reality of low paying [and few] jobs at the feet of the "do nothing" congress, WTF have they done to reverse this? or better yet, what are they doing to bring back jobs from overseas??? a big fat NUTHIN!.
By that logic, then we'd have to blame the Democratic House during the last few years of the Bush presidency for the economic issues of that period, right?

Sorry, leaders get the blame. And the guy currently holding the office has no leadership abilities.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 06:24 PM
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Where's the charts for the highest number ever on food stamps, or the lowest labor participation rate, or the high rate of youth unemployment, or the insanely high rate of black youth unemployment, or the declining wages of those lucky enough to even find a job, or the percentage of kids still living with their parents after graduating college, or the rise in college tuition debt among said kids who have little hope of paying off said debt (and thereby creating another debt bubble the taxpayers will get hammered with)?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Id lay the reality of low paying [and few] jobs at the feet of the "do nothing" congress, WTF have they done to reverse this? or better yet, what are they doing to bring back jobs from overseas??? a big fat NUTHIN!.
By that logic, then we'd have to blame the Democratic House during the last few years of the Bush presidency for the economic issues of that period, right?

Sorry, leaders get the blame. And the guy currently holding the office has no leadership abilities.
Why because he won't put up with right wing attempts to repeal the affordable healthcare act, or put up with right wing attacks on the working-class and poor, so the wealthy can pay less in taxes?.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 07:07 PM
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Where's the charts for the highest number ever on food stamps, or the lowest labor participation rate, or the high rate of youth unemployment, or the insanely high rate of black youth unemployment, or the declining wages of those lucky enough to even find a job, or the percentage of kids still living with their parents after graduating college, or the rise in college tuition debt among said kids who have little hope of paying off said debt (and thereby creating another debt bubble the taxpayers will get hammered with)?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Id lay the reality of low paying [and few] jobs at the feet of the "do nothing" congress, WTF have they done to reverse this? or better yet, what are they doing to bring back jobs from overseas??? a big fat NUTHIN!.
By that logic, then we'd have to blame the Democratic House during the last few years of the Bush presidency for the economic issues of that period, right?

Sorry, leaders get the blame. And the guy currently holding the office has no leadership abilities.
Why because he won't put up with right wing attempts to repeal the affordable healthcare act, or put up with right wing attacks on the working-class and poor, so the wealthy can pay less in taxes?.
. Nice try to change the focus to left-wing propaganda, but it has nothing to do with his shortcomings. The only way he could move his agenda forward was when he had a majority, signaling the complete inability to influence beyond the converted. Countless reports have shown him aloof and disinterested in the kind of DC politics that creates compromises. His ego requires only his view on the issues be accepted. Even many in his own party have admitted this.

As to any belief he cares about the lower classes; no President has endorsed policies that have helped the 1% more than this guy. Beliefs otherwise should first answer how the banks have gotten away with no scrutiny, how Wall St. has prospered so phenomenally, and why he spends so much time collecting political cash from those groups. At the same time he has proposed nothing to improve the overall conditions for productive business to invest and prosper in America (the selective cash gifts to cronies doesn't count).

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 07:20 PM
For all the whining we've heard about "unfunded wars," it's interesting to note war spending and troop levels both increased under Obama. Bush's last budget allocated $140 Billion to fight the wars. By 2010 that amount had reached $160 Billion, followed by another $159 Billion in 2011.

It would be interesting to find out how this expansion in the war efforts were paid for. A bake sale?

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 07:38 PM
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Where's the charts for the highest number ever on food stamps, or the lowest labor participation rate, or the high rate of youth unemployment, or the insanely high rate of black youth unemployment, or the declining wages of those lucky enough to even find a job, or the percentage of kids still living with their parents after graduating college, or the rise in college tuition debt among said kids who have little hope of paying off said debt (and thereby creating another debt bubble the taxpayers will get hammered with)?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Id lay the reality of low paying [and few] jobs at the feet of the "do nothing" congress, WTF have they done to reverse this? or better yet, what are they doing to bring back jobs from overseas??? a big fat NUTHIN!.


False. One of their proposals is to bring corporate tax rates more in line with other nations, lowering it to 20%. This would immediately diminish the need to lower labor costs in order to stay price competitive.

Opponents want the high tax rates to remain, all the jobs to stay at home, and don't expect this will effect the price of goods....a fantasy.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 07:58 PM
Chronic liars--

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/02/06/fact-check-harry-rei d-deficit-reduction/1895903/

Nose keeps growing....

 

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Where's the charts for the highest number ever on food stamps, or the lowest labor participation rate, or the high rate of youth unemployment, or the insanely high rate of black youth unemployment, or the declining wages of those lucky enough to even find a job, or the percentage of kids still living with their parents after graduating college, or the rise in college tuition debt among said kids who have little hope of paying off said debt (and thereby creating another debt bubble the taxpayers will get hammered with)?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Id lay the reality of low paying [and few] jobs at the feet of the "do nothing" congress, WTF have they done to reverse this? or better yet, what are they doing to bring back jobs from overseas??? a big fat NUTHIN!.
By that logic, then we'd have to blame the Democratic House during the last few years of the Bush presidency for the economic issues of that period, right?



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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 08:23 PM
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Where's the charts for the highest number ever on food stamps, or the lowest labor participation rate, or the high rate of youth unemployment, or the insanely high rate of black youth unemployment, or the declining wages of those lucky enough to even find a job, or the percentage of kids still living with their parents after graduating college, or the rise in college tuition debt among said kids who have little hope of paying off said debt (and thereby creating another debt bubble the taxpayers will get hammered with)?

It's like shooting fish in a barrel.
Id lay the reality of low paying [and few] jobs at the feet of the "do nothing" congress, WTF have they done to reverse this? or better yet, what are they doing to bring back jobs from overseas??? a big fat NUTHIN!.
By that logic, then we'd have to blame the Democratic House during the last few years of the Bush presidency for the economic issues of that period, right?

Sorry, leaders get the blame. And the guy currently holding the office has no leadership abilities.


Kind of hard to lead when one party decided they hated government, didn't want to govern, and decided from day 1 to block every single initiative at the expense of the majority.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 08:28 PM
Cheney and Bush lied to everyone broke Iraq beyond repair despite being warned first by Richard Clarke and later by Colin Powell that it would only end in a disaster.

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 10:36 PM
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False. One of their proposals is to bring corporate tax rates more in line with other nations, lowering it to 20%.


Yo! Kool Aid!

How much do corporations actually pay? Do you expect anyone to believe that corporations actually pay that tax rate?

In spite of all the evidence of GE, Exxon, Apple, paying little to nothing year after year you actually think, with our tax code, that there is a one size fits all corporate rate?

Well folks - there you have it - an honest to God low information voter.

You do vote Alloak - right?

 

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  posted on 8/11/2014 at 11:49 PM
Why must your responses veer into a personal nature towards me? Your debate skills have a ways to go yet.
 

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  posted on 8/12/2014 at 12:07 AM
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False. One of their proposals is to bring corporate tax rates more in line with other nations, lowering it to 20%.
Yo! Kool Aid!

How much do corporations actually pay? Do you expect anyone to believe that corporations actually pay that tax rate?

In spite of all the evidence of GE, Exxon, Apple, paying little to nothing year after year you actually think, with our tax code, that there is a one size fits all corporate rate?

Well folks - there you have it - an honest to God low information voter.

You do vote Alloak - right?
Speaking of Kool Aid, lets analyze this gem of corporate generalization.

So all of the millions of business entities structured as corporations have the same benefits as the handful of usual suspects like GE, Apple, etc. that have been reported to have paid zero taxes? Throwing Exxon in that mix is a false flag, as the oil companies have been the highest taxpayers (in real and percentage terms) for some time.

The truth is that the number of corporate entities able to pull off the zero tax thing is a tiny percentage of the whole. More correct is that a number of the larger corporations have tax advantages that lower their rate from the base 35%. Their impact, due to their size, does lower the percentage of overall taxes collected from all corporations. But these actions are possible only because the tax rules have been adjusted for certain conditions by our politicians. When you look at the political alignment of the companies you mentioned - Apple & GE - they certainly don't seem beholding to Republicans for their tax advantages, so who's really to blame?

The real truth is that our tax system for business offers advantages to a small few, but generally discourages investment in productive enterprise in America. We should be far more worried about improving those overall conditions than taking up jihad against a small number of favored cronies. Improving the overall conditions should include leveling the playing field for all, thereby solving the 'favored few' problem in a positive way.

But as another example of wrong-headed effort, what's our President now touting? A new campaign against tax inversions is underway, a way to punish instead of encourage business. A tiny number of perceived offenders gets his attention while the huge majority remain captive to a tax system that has made us less likely to receive investment in productive enterprise. How do you claim to fight for the lower classes while at the same time doing nothing to help the growth of companies that might offer them a way out of their circumstances? That's some really serious Kool Aid.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2014 at 06:52 AM
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Speaking of Kool Aid, lets analyze this gem of corporate generalization. The truth is that the number of corporate entities able to pull off the zero tax thing is a tiny percentage of the whole. More correct is that a number of the larger corporations have tax advantages that lower their rate from the base 35%. Their impact, due to their size, does lower the percentage of overall taxes collected from all corporations. But these actions are possible only because the tax rules have been adjusted for certain conditions by our politicians. When you look at the political alignment of the companies you mentioned - Apple & GE - they certainly don't seem beholding to Republicans for their tax advantages, so who's really to blame?


I never said it was due to Republicans. I say the premise that corporations PAY the highest rate in the world in the United States is not supported by facts. I don't care whose fault it is, I'm tired of the lie.

The United States of America is more friendly to corporations than to the People of the United States. Stop lying. Stop acting like this is some Socialist commune.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2014 at 08:47 AM
I'd like to see the justice dept. start arresting some of these son of a bitching CEO's for treason. If they got rich on the backs of the US taxpayer and now move their back offices and manufacturing operations off shore they should be arrested for treason.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2014 at 11:13 AM
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Why must your responses veer into a personal nature towards me? Your debate skills have a ways to go yet.


That's what they do. Meanwhile all I've seen on this thread is every cliched left wing talking point trying to explain away everything that has gone wrong.

 

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I'd like to see the justice dept. start arresting some of these son of a bitching CEO's for treason. If they got rich on the backs of the US taxpayer and now move their back offices and manufacturing operations off shore they should be arrested for treason.


That should really help job growth. Arresting CEO's who follow the law.

 

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Meanwhile all I've seen on this thread is every cliched left wing talking point trying to explain away everything that has gone wrong.


How do you miss the right wing talking points?

Isn't this all just a futile exchange? You guys want corporations to rule the world, endless war, and people to get sick and die poor.

No doubt you are winning.

 

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I'd like to see the justice dept. start arresting some of these son of a bitching CEO's for treason. If they got rich on the backs of the US taxpayer and now move their back offices and manufacturing operations off shore they should be arrested for treason.


That should really help job growth. Arresting CEO's who follow the law.


FDR had Montgomery Ward CEO Sewell Avery arrested for not paying taxes in 1942, time to bring that mindset back to government. If theses greedy M-fers don't want to pay their fair share and want to move off shore after benefitting from American infrastructure, arrest their asses.

 

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  posted on 8/12/2014 at 01:58 PM
Lets' not forget that it was Liberals who first advocated for the so-called Global Economy. As per usual, failing to think things through and weigh the consequences. Now they scream the loudest about jobs going overseas and companies moving offshore.
 
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