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Author: Subject: Why Won't Anybody Work With Obama?

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 11:16 AM
Aside from philosophical differences (which he avoids any conversation about), HERE'S WHY....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3YyY3_4_LI

So here he sits at 39%, after having lost everyone except his die-hard supporters, working to lower the bar even further for the office he holds.

After this speech, the GOP will beat a path to his door to help him get his agenda passed. What a Uniter!!

 
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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 11:33 AM
I watch and listen to things like this and I think to myself "He certainly doesn't look or sound very Presidential"....He reminds me of a H.S. Principal addressing a bunch of 16 yr. olds.

The dumbing down continues.....

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 11:44 AM
I think this from the nugent topic answers your Obama question.


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That word you use "hate" may be misguided.


It's not misguided. The Left HATES Ted Nugent. Not as much as Sara Palin perhaps, but there is really no other word for it.


Wrong alloak. There's an entire dictionary of words - many of which could be used "for it", but if you want to insist upon your narrow focus, then believe what you will.


OK then, let's disregard everything we've seen and heard over the past 10 years? If you have an observant bone in your body it's hard to draw any other conclusion.

Thanks, but I'll stick with the narrow focus on this one.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 12:23 PM
His message is clearly aimed at his low-information devotees, who can't figure out his phony outrage. He's manipulated himself into a situation where he can blame his over reach and poor conditions on somebody else. Textbook Obama.

Why would he want any cooperation when he can govern like a Monarch, then claim that he was forced into it? This is exactly the way he wants it, and why shouldn't he? He knows the Republicans are too gutless to stop him.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 01:53 PM
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His message is clearly aimed at his low-information devotees, who can't figure out his phony outrage. He's manipulated himself into a situation where he can blame his over reach and poor conditions on somebody else. Textbook Obama.

Why would he want any cooperation when he can govern like a Monarch, then claim that he was forced into it? This is exactly the way he wants it, and why shouldn't he? He knows the Republicans are too gutless to stop him.


I hear they can add a counter to this site to increment + 1 every time you use the term "low-information". I hope they make the field size large enough so that it doesn't blow up the site when you exceed the field limit due to overuse.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 02:00 PM
Yes, Obama has given up on trying to work with Republicans. Nobody is denying that. But when we ask why, we get different answers from each side of the aisle. Can you honestly admit to yourselves that the Republicans showed mature professional leadership and cooperation during his first term? I admit, this second term has been a mess because both sides have given up and are at war with one another. But in the first term, despite differences in philosophy, Obama was very Presidential. But the Republican strategy of "let's block everything he wants to do b/c we hate him", is a major reason for the mess we're in. Yes, Obama could've handled it better. But let's be fair and admit the Reublicans share a lot of the blame too.
 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 02:17 PM
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But the Republican strategy of "let's block everything he wants to do b/c we hate him", is a major reason for the mess we're in.


"let's block everything he wants to do"...Done possibly because Republicans disagree vehemently with most of his philosophies.



 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 02:34 PM
But that's not what they did. Some of them were quoted as saying they were going to block him no matter what it was. They didn't base those decisions on whether it would help the people. They based it on the fact that it simply came from him. And if they do vehemently disagree, then why is there a problem with him using his executive powers? Nobody is trying to change minds here but it takes 2 to tango. If oil and water don't mix, who's to blame?
 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 02:50 PM
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Some of them


 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 03:06 PM
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Some of them


The GOP leadership.

I don't care what side of the aisle today's electorate sit. In my opinion, anyone voting for an incumbent deserves what they get. Our lawmakers have failed to perform. It is the worst Congress in the history of the world. To a person they are insulated from their constituents. They are entitled and out of touch and need to be fired.

Members of the House are up for re-election every two years and continue to get re-elected. I'll go with Alloak here and wag my finger at low information voters.

Scratch that - I'll go further. The American Electorate are stupid and lazy. Our turn out is embarrassing. The American Electorate rewards graft, deceit, avarice, and ignorance.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 03:10 PM
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Why would he want any cooperation when he can govern like a Monarch, then claim that he was forced into it?


Alloak stop with your drama. He is not ruling like a Monarch. Words mean stuff.

If you don't own or can't afford a dictionary this site is available 24/7.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 03:41 PM
While he may be unpopular, everything Obama has done falls within the laws of the Constitution. Yet we hear cries from the right that he's a socialist, monarch, etc. One minute they hold the Constitution in the highest regard and then bash Obama for following it. I can respect the opinions of Republicans but boy do they have the worst methods of communication I have ever seen. If they could only maintain their composure and calmly articulate themselves...imagine what they might accomplish. If Obama is so dumb, inexperienced, weak, incompetent, etc, then why can't Republicans sell Americans on why they are better?
 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 03:47 PM
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The GOP leadership.

Members of the House are up for re-election every two years and continue to get re-elected. I'll go with Alloak here and wag my finger at low information voters.

Scratch that - I'll go further. The American Electorate are stupid and lazy. Our turn out is embarrassing. The American Electorate rewards graft, deceit, avarice, and ignorance.


another big reason is that candidates are picked mostly by local leadership. they get all the money so anyone running against them in the primary is handicapped to even try or the tea party comes in with its dark money and organize enough people to win in a low turnout election. then comes the even bigger factor of low voter turnout in primaries. so party leadership usually gets there man. we need to find a way to increase voter turnout during state primaries.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 03:59 PM
Watching Cantor leave with his tail between his legs warms my heart. Unfortunately I know that was a fluke. A fluke I participated in, but a fluke none the less.

America's two political parties are lousy with money and power. Ours is a strange democracy. When it comes to freedom of choice I wonder why we have hundreds of brands of toilet paper, tens of brands of hemorrhoid cream, yet only two a$$ holes to choose for President.

Should I have substituted "pick" for "choose"?

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 04:36 PM
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Scratch that - I'll go further. The American Electorate are stupid and lazy. Our turn out is embarrassing. The American Electorate rewards graft, deceit, avarice, and ignorance.


Perhaps stated a wee bit more harshly than I would have, but agreed in principle. Wholeheartedly.

We have the power. It is no ones fault but ours.

Any talk of amending the Constitution should begin with Congressional term limits. Period.

Until we, the American Electorate decide to stand up and fight, we are *****d.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 04:50 PM
Pre 2008 and the emergence of the Koch Brothers financed and Fox News supported "Tea party" who all hate government and have no interest in governing and drove the radical shift to the far right and hijacked the republican party narrative. Obama's governing style would have been considered moderate republican.

Legislation that was very moderate like the American Jobs Act, taking away tax loop-holds for corporations who move their jobs off shore and increases in Veterans benefits which prior to 2008 would have easily passed in the house and senate and become law and ultimately helped a whole lot of middle class and lower economic level people.

The true breakdown in the political system came when the GOP establishment cowered like the scared little c-u-n-ts they are and did nothing when the Teabaggers hijacked their party and ultimately the country as a whole.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 06:00 PM
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We have the power. It is no ones fault but ours.

Any talk of amending the Constitution should begin with Congressional term limits. Period.



I think the Presidential term limits need to change as well. Nowadays the Prez only works two years of the first term, then campaigns for the next two years. Change it to a one term, 6 year limit.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 06:38 PM
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Scratch that - I'll go further. The American Electorate are stupid and lazy. Our turn out is embarrassing. The American Electorate rewards graft, deceit, avarice, and ignorance.


I'm surprised to hear you say that. I don't blame the voters at all. Our government has evolved into one giant game of deceit and power-grabs. There are no honest politicians that only want to help the people. How can an independent win with a fraction of the money to spend on a campaign? I believe the American electorate is forced to choose between the lesser of two evils. It would take an exceptionally brilliant independent campaign staff to compete with a Democrat and Republican nominee.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 07:28 PM
I'm blaming the non voters. The people that don't turn out. The majority of Americans who could make a difference.

I agree with everything you said BoytonBrother but I do blame the people for not making an effort to ask questions of the candidates, to actually read their positions, to turn up at campaign fund raisers - not to give money, in fact to not give money - and voice their concerns.

The majority of Americans do not seem to be engaged in the electoral process. Bamboozled or bored? I don't care which. They just need to get off their butts.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 07:58 PM
if only harry reid would let bills that passed the house go to committee maybe something would get done. he's an evil little man who only cares about making republicans look bad. all political crap and the average person has to deal with Washington's self serving b.s. i'm all for term limits. no doubt about it. a viable third or even fourth party would also be nice. not much to choose from from what I can see. if Obama actually sat down with leadership of both parties that would be helpful. flying around from fundraiser to fundraiser saying the gop doesn't want to work with him isn't helping the situation. he has no idea how to bring two parties together. it's not his fault. he just lacks leadership skills. never managed or ran anything and it shows. I bet he wished he only had one six year term. he realizes slogans can only get you so far. the romanticism of being president seems to have worn off.
 

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if only harry reid would let bills that passed the house go to committee maybe something would get done. he's an evil little man who only cares about making republicans look bad. all political crap and the average person has to deal with Washington's self serving b.s. i'm all for term limits. no doubt about it. a viable third or even fourth party would also be nice. not much to choose from from what I can see. if Obama actually sat down with leadership of both parties that would be helpful. flying around from fundraiser to fundraiser saying the gop doesn't want to work with him isn't helping the situation. he has no idea how to bring two parties together. it's not his fault. he just lacks leadership skills. never managed or ran anything and it shows. I bet he wished he only had one six year term. he realizes slogans can only get you so far. the romanticism of being president seems to have worn off.


Not a big fan of Reid, but take a look at Boehner. If Reid is weak, then Boehner is a figurehead at best. He has 0 control over his caucus. He's being undercut by GOP Senator Ted Cruz who orchestrated the shut down of the of the government assisted by the Tea Party Faction of the HOR of the GOP. That's real leadership from Boehner? Do you admire the actions of Cruz and his manipulations / leadership in shutting down the gov't? It was productive for the American people?



[Edited on 8/2/2014 by MartinD28]

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 09:03 PM
Throw the bums out!

They are toxic. They cannot do the job. They are the problem.

 

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Throw the bums out!

They are toxic. They cannot do the job. They are the problem.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 10:15 PM
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I can respect the opinions of Republicans but boy do they have the worst methods of communication I have ever seen. If they could only maintain their composure and calmly articulate themselves...imagine what they might accomplish.


Right. The Republicans should learn from their Democrat counterparts and stay calm and composed. If there is a disagreement, they should label their Democrat friends as racists, homophobes, bigots, nut jobs, wackos, ect, ect, ect.

Now that's composure!

 

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  posted on 8/1/2014 at 10:45 PM
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if Obama actually sat down with leadership of both parties that would be helpful. flying around from fundraiser to fundraiser saying the gop doesn't want to work with him isn't helping the situation. he has no idea how to bring two parties together. it's not his fault. he just lacks leadership skills. never managed or ran anything and it shows.


It would have been helpful had more voters realized this back in 2007. It's mystifying how something so plainly obvious to some was completely lost on others. Then, it didn't help matters when he wasn't vetted. The nation elected a mystery man who much of his life still remains a mystery.

Let's face it, the '08 election was the Democrats election to win so Hillary Clinton should be our President right now. The country would have been better off had that been the case. I've never even been a fan of Barack Obama and he disappoints me.


 
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