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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 12:06 PM
I wouldn't want to see a victim of a falling icicle.
 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 12:08 PM
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What any of that has to do with Ebola is anybody's guess...

I thought Hippos ran faster than that.

You're right, it has nothing to do with Ebola. <sigh>

Still, "don't touch poop" is some good advice.

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by gondicar]

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 12:36 PM
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If you are against a flight ban, would you be open to sitting next to a passenger
that was infected with Ebola?


if we know they are infected with Ebola, they cannot get on the plane. What about the theory that a flight ban might actually cause more risk?

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by BoytonBrother]

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 12:52 PM
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"Frankly, if we had not gone through our 10-year slide in research support, we probably would have had a vaccine in time for this that would’ve gone through clinical trials and would have been ready,”

NIH Director Francis Collins, blaming budget cuts for his agency’s failure to develop a vaccine for the deadly virus.


Drug companies develop vaccines, not the NIH.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 12:54 PM
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Perhaps it's coincidence but with every problem that arises this seems to be the Obama administration MO
1. Minimize the problem, not that big a deal.
2. When this is no longer tenable assure people that the problem is under control without actually doing anything.
3. When this is no longer tenable cancel an event, make a speech and take belated steps after the fact.



4. Figuring out a way to blame Republicans (probably should be #1)


Gutless wonders.


Stay classy. Nobody blames Republicans for this, but you and Muleboy are doing a lot of fingerpointing at Democrats.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 12:55 PM
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Alloak, if Obama is responsible for all bad things that happen simply because he is in charge, then is he also responsible for anything good that happens?



He's not responsible for bad things that happen, but he is responsible for reacting/responding
to them. If not, then who is in charge? Why do we elect a President? Someone has to be
ultimately in charge. Correct?

Again, it would appear that NOBODY is. No matter what the situation, the initial response
has been pathetic with this administration.

I hope my saying so doesn't upset you.


Democratic logic. Hurricane Katrina screw up by FEMA=Bush is incompetent. ANY screw up by agency under superivison of Obama (whether CDC, IRS or anything else?) How can Obama be expected to control everything.


2 people have contracted ebola in this country. 2. Is that Obama's fault?

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 12:55 PM
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Would you be open to sitting
next to a passenger that was infected with Ebola?


Why? Are you offering?

Better than sitting next to a Cowboys fan.


LOL It is not contagious.



Thank God.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 01:19 PM
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Perhaps it's coincidence but with every problem that arises this seems to be the Obama administration MO
1. Minimize the problem, not that big a deal.
2. When this is no longer tenable assure people that the problem is under control without actually doing anything.
3. When this is no longer tenable cancel an event, make a speech and take belated steps after the fact.



4. Figuring out a way to blame Republicans (probably should be #1)


Gutless wonders.


Nobody blames Republicans for this.


Really?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/13/politics/ebola-agenda-project-ad/index.html

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 01:26 PM
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Perhaps it's coincidence but with every problem that arises this seems to be the Obama administration MO
1. Minimize the problem, not that big a deal.
2. When this is no longer tenable assure people that the problem is under control without actually doing anything.
3. When this is no longer tenable cancel an event, make a speech and take belated steps after the fact.



4. Figuring out a way to blame Republicans (probably should be #1)


Gutless wonders.


Nobody blames Republicans for this.


Really?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/13/politics/ebola-agenda-project-ad/index.html


OK, I stand corrected. But that link is funny as the National Republican Senate Committee says that the Dems have controlled DC for the past 6 years. Alternate universe.

So, are the Republicans and people like you and Muleman gutless wonders as well? Or is that reserved for Democrats only?

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 01:29 PM
Nobody is blaming the GOP.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/democrats-gop-budget-cuts-hurt-ebo la-response-26170295

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 01:33 PM
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Nobody is blaming the GOP.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/democrats-gop-budget-cuts-hurt-ebo la-response-26170295


You didn't answer my question. Are you, muleman and the GOP gutless wonders as well or is it just the Democrats?

 

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Nobody is blaming the GOP.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/democrats-gop-budget-cuts-hurt-ebo la-response-26170295


You didn't answer my question. Are you, muleman and the GOP gutless wonders as well or is it just the Democrats?


As far as you know. Thanks for asking.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 02:08 PM
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Nobody is blaming the GOP.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/democrats-gop-budget-cuts-hurt-ebo la-response-26170295


This is what politicians do. The R's rip into the D's at every opportunity, and vice versa. That doesn't make any of them right, and shame on anyone who buys into their rhetoric. It is not helpful and fuels the kind of hysteria and fear mongering that we just don't need. There is no Ebola "crisis" in the US. From a health standpoint, we should all be more concerned with the seasonal flu, it will kill a lot more people in this country in the next 6 months than Ebola will in the next sixty years. As will smoking, drinking, driving cars, eating fast food, etc.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 02:08 PM
Anybody blaming Republicans?

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2014/10/16/democrats-republicans-cause -ebola/

Accusations based on lies. Really smooth.

 

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Nobody is blaming the GOP.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/democrats-gop-budget-cuts-hurt-ebo la-response-26170295


You didn't answer my question. Are you, muleman and the GOP gutless wonders as well or is it just the Democrats?


As far as you know. Thanks for asking.


Double standard. Thanks.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 02:11 PM
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Anybody blaming Republicans?

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2014/10/16/democrats-republicans-cause -ebola/

Accusations based on lies. Really smooth.

There are links out there to support every point of view, but at the end of the day all the finger pointing is useless and foolish. It is an easy trap to fall into...no one knows that better than me, I fall into it all the time. But all we end up doing is pointing fingers at each other and nothing good comes of it. What a sad waste of time it is.

Time for the weekend...

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 02:16 PM
i'll put these up so those on the right know their lines and those on the left are ready for them

Conservative Media Lash Out At Klain's Appointment

Rush Limbaugh: Klain Is A "Conservative-Slash-Republican Attack Dog." On the October 17 edition of his radio show, Rush Limbaugh called Klain's appointment "pure 100 percent politics," accusing him of giving "political payoffs" and being a "conservative-slash-Republican attack dog." [Premiere Radio Networks, The Rush Limbaugh Show, 10/17/14]

Fox's Geraldo Rivera: Obama Made A "Dumb Choice." Fox contributor Geraldo Rivera tweeted that Klain's appointment as Ebola "czar," was a "dumb choice," calling him a "political hack":

[Twitter.com, 10/17/14]

CNN's Ben Ferguson: Appointing Klain " Insane." CNN political commentator Ben Ferguson responded to Klain's appointment by declaring it was "insane" to appoint a "political democratic lawyer":

[Twitter.com, 10/17/14]

ABC's Laura Ingraham: Klain's Background "Is A Parade Of Horribles." Contributor for both ABC News and Fox News, Laura Ingraham, questioned why Obama's choice for Ebola "czar" wasn't a doctor, calling Klain's background "a parade of horribles" and declaring that appointments like his "always go political." [Courtside Entertainment Group, The Laura Ingraham Show, 10/17/14]

Fox Host Todd Starnes: Klain Can't "Instill Confidence In The Nation." Fox News radio host Todd Starnes criticized the appointment of Klain as Ebola "czar" on Twitter:

[Twitter.com, 10/17/14]

NRA News' Cameron Gray: Klain Appointment Shows "Administration Has Just Given Up." NRA News reporter Cameron Gray claimed that Klain's appointment made it "obvious" the Obama administration "has just given up":

[Twitter.com, 10/17/14]

RedState Editor Compared Klain's Appointment To Karl Rove Overseeing Hurricane Katrina Cleanup. Dan McLaughlin, editor for the conservative website, RedState.com, called Klain's appointment tantamount to Karl Rove overseeing cleanup after Hurricane Katrina:

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 02:23 PM
this is for those in the middle


 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 02:42 PM
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Anybody blaming Republicans?

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2014/10/16/democrats-republicans-cause -ebola/

Accusations based on lies. Really smooth.

There are links out there to support every point of view, but at the end of the day all the finger pointing is useless and foolish. It is an easy trap to fall into...no one knows that better than me, I fall into it all the time. But all we end up doing is pointing fingers at each other and nothing good comes of it. What a sad waste of time it is.

Time for the weekend...


Well said gondicar. Instead of discussing the issue at hand people would rather point fingers at whose fault it is. I could give a rats ass about who cut the budget funding at this point as all I want to know is that the Gov has our backs and is putting a containment plan in place in case the Ebola hits the fan here.

That being said, Mule I am surprised you have not put 2 + 2 together on the cause of this issue. Think about it Obama is from Africa, Ebola is from Africa. You should jump on that and investigate as I smell a conspiracy.

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by Bill_Graham]

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 04:17 PM
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Anybody blaming Republicans?

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2014/10/16/democrats-republicans-cause -ebola/

Accusations based on lies. Really smooth.

There are links out there to support every point of view, but at the end of the day all the finger pointing is useless and foolish. It is an easy trap to fall into...no one knows that better than me, I fall into it all the time. But all we end up doing is pointing fingers at each other and nothing good comes of it. What a sad waste of time it is.

Time for the weekend...


Well said gondicar. Instead of discussing the issue at hand people would rather point fingers at whose fault it is. I could give a rats ass about who cut the budget funding at this point as all I want to know is that the Gov has our backs and is putting a containment plan in place in case the Ebola hits the fan here.

That being said, Mule I am surprised you have not put 2 + 2 together on the cause of this issue. Think about it Obama is from Africa, Ebola is from Africa. You should jump on that and investigate as I smell a conspiracy.

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by Bill_Graham]


I heard Obama even ordered Kenya be moved from West Africa to East Africa just to cover his tracks. He's a sly one!

 

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Anybody blaming Republicans?

http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/2014/10/16/democrats-republicans-cause -ebola/

Accusations based on lies. Really smooth.

There are links out there to support every point of view, but at the end of the day all the finger pointing is useless and foolish. It is an easy trap to fall into...no one knows that better than me, I fall into it all the time. But all we end up doing is pointing fingers at each other and nothing good comes of it. What a sad waste of time it is.

Time for the weekend...


Well said gondicar. Instead of discussing the issue at hand people would rather point fingers at whose fault it is. I could give a rats ass about who cut the budget funding at this point as all I want to know is that the Gov has our backs and is putting a containment plan in place in case the Ebola hits the fan here.

That being said, Mule I am surprised you have not put 2 + 2 together on the cause of this issue. Think about it Obama is from Africa, Ebola is from Africa. You should jump on that and investigate as I smell a conspiracy.

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by Bill_Graham]


I heard Obama even ordered Kenya be moved from West Africa to East Africa just to cover his tracks. He's a sly one!


There is no doubt in my mind that Obama caused the wind to suddenly blow out to right field so San Francisco would win on the walkoff homer by Travis Ishikawa. Travis Ishikawa? Really? That name isn't real. Couldn't Obama invent a better name for this obvious CIA agent?

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 04:32 PM
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I wouldn't want to see a victim of a falling icicle.


I blame Obama for those falling icicle deaths in Russia. If he wasn't such a wimp and if he would have nuked Russia for invading Ukraine like a strong president would have done, the radiation would have kept those deadly icicles from forming in the first place. F**kin Obama can't do anything right!

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 05:20 PM
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If you are against a flight ban, would you be open to sitting next to a passenger
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if we know they are infected with Ebola, they cannot get on the plane. What about the theory that a flight ban might actually cause more risk?

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by BoytonBrother]


Problem is we don't always know at the time they board - and while they are incubating they may still be contagious

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 06:24 PM
http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/10/health/epidemics-through-history/?hp t=hp_t1


lol the opening sentence uses the most overblown numbers to estimate the future.....

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by LeglizHemp]

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 06:34 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/17/opinion/sutter-ebola-empathy/index.html?hpt=h p_t3

Where's the empathy for Ebola's African victims?
By John D. Sutter, CNN
updated 5:13 PM EDT, Fri October 17, 2014

(CNN) -- The world's response to Ebola is its own sort of tragedy.

Two facts make the point clear:

-- The United Nations has asked for $1 billion to fight the spread of the virus. As of Friday, it had collected only $100,000 -- or 0.01%. An additional $20 million has been pledged but not received, according to CNN Money. "We need to turn pledges into action," the U.N.'s Ban Ki-moon told reporters. "We need more doctors, nurses, equipment, treatment centers."

-- Liberia, meanwhile, which is hardest hit by the virus, says it requires 2.4 million boxes of protective gloves -- and 85,000 body bags, to be able to fight the virus in the next six months. Currently, it only has 18,000 boxes of gloves and less than 5,000 body bags.

Let that second number sink in.

Eight-five thousand body bags needed.

But what is actually-really-truly behind the lack of helpfulness on the part of the international community? If you listen to right-wing pundits in the United States, we should blame Obama -- who they say is having his "Katrina moment."

Those jabs are fueled more by upcoming midterm elections than reality. And they won't likely be quieted by Obama's announcement on Friday that he has appointed an "Ebola czar" to manage the U.S. response.

The true devastation, however, has been unfolding in West Africa for months. And it's the subject of far less outrage in the United States.

A more rational and deep-seated critique of the international community's relative inaction emerged in a recent BBC interview with Kofi Annan, the former U.N. secretary general, who is from Ghana.

"If the crisis had hit some other region," he's quoted as telling that news organization, "it probably would have been handled very differently.

"In fact when you look at the evolution of the crisis, the international community really woke up when the disease got to America and Europe."

It's hard not to agree that race and geography do play a role in the world's callousness. They help explain why "some other region" -- any other region, really -- would get more help.

Science tells part of the story.

There's evidence lighter skinned people have trouble "feeling" the pain of those with darker skin. Researchers at the University of Milano-Bicocca, in Italy, tested this in by showing a group of Caucasian people video clips of people of various races being **** ed with a needle. They monitored the viewers to see how their bodies responded to the sight of another person being hurt. The white viewers reacted more strongly -- or showed more physical empathy -- when white people were hurt than Africans.

In another study, "researchers found that white participants, black participants, and nurses and nursing students assumed that blacks felt less pain than whites," Slate writes.

Except for a handful of health workers, nearly all of Ebola's 4,400 casualties have been black Africans -- and these simmering biases are deeply troubling.

"Ebola is now a stand-in for any combination of 'African-ness', 'blackness', 'foreign-ness' and 'infestation' -- poised to ruin the perceived purity of Western borders and bodies," Hannah Giorgis wrote for The Guardian.

There's a long, ugly history of this sort of thing.

Consider the 1994 Rwanda genocide, or the HIV/AIDS epidemic.

"In the case of AIDS, it took years for proper research funding to be put in place and it was only when so-called 'innocent' groups were involved (women and children, haemophiliac patients and straight men) that the media, the politicians and the scientific community and funding bodies took notice," John Ashton, president of the UK Faculty of Public Health, wrote for The Independent.

The headline of his piece: "They'd find a cure if Ebola came to London."

Maybe some blame should fall on geography, as well. Americans, in particular, know very little about Africa (just try this quiz on African geography from the Washington Post). The physical distance between Africa and North America or Europe -- two global centers of financial and political power -- also could lead people to feel emotionally distant from the crisis.

"I don't know about racism, but I do know when (Ebola) was only in Africa, hardly anyone in the U.S. cared that it was killing thousands," a friend wrote in response to a question I posed on Facebook. "But now that like four people have it in the U.S., it is all-out panic."

Whatever the reason, a lack of empathy is clearly at play.

Too many people panic when Ebola hits Dallas but shrug at the gruesome reality in Monrovia. Too many worry that someone who might have been in contact with an Ebola patient has boarded a cruise ship bound for Belize -- but we don't feel for Ebola's child orphans.

I hope shining light on these realities can help change them.

I'll leave you with a passage from an essay by Leslie Jamison, a woman who worked as a "medical actor," meaning she faked illnesses for emotionally tone-deaf medical students. As she listened to the sometimes hard-headed students interrogate her about her made-up illnesses, she learned a thing or two about what it means to actually empathize with a person.

"Empathy isn't just something that happens to us -- a meteor shower of synapses firing across the brain -- it's also a choice we make: to pay attention, to extend ourselves," she wrote.

Take that as a challenge.

Pay attention. Extend yourself.

And demand world leaders do the same.

 
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