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  posted on 10/16/2014 at 10:13 PM
i love this recent quote from rand paul:

"If someone has Ebola at a cocktail party they're contagious and you can catch it from them," Paul continued. "[The administration] should be honest about that."

 

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  posted on 10/16/2014 at 10:25 PM
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And just in time to make everyone feel safe:

At today's Congressional Hearing on the Ebola outbreak, the CDC director stated: "we are open to new ideas".

Yes, the Obama administration hasn't a clue.



No, Tom, you don't have a clue. The CDC hires its own people. Only The head of the CDC is an Obama appointee. It gets its funding from Congress. How so predictable that you would blame Obama.

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Wrong son.

The director is Obama's pick and is failing, just like his boss.

"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is the national public health institute of the United States. The CDC is a federal agency under the Department of Health and Human Services"

Note that the CDC is under HHS. Not hard to figure out why the CDC is incompetent.

BTW - Obama is getting ready to appoint an Ebola Czar because the CDC has screwed the response up so badly.

Apparently Obama was furious yesterday at the cabinet room meeting on Ebola. Was it because the CDC couldn’t get a grip on the situation or because he had to cancel two fund-raising events?

Note today's N.Y. Daily News front page headline: "For God's Sake, Get a Grip" next to a picture of Obama at the meeting.

You should try a basic middle-school government course. If you are going to comment on government you should at least have a rudimentary.

And you wonder why liberals are the low-info voters.



[Edited on 10/17/2014 by Muleman1994]


No, Mr. Robinson, there were two cases 0f ebola in this country excluding the medical staff who came here to be treated and the one guy from Liberia who lied about being in Africa. Those two cases were the result of a breach in protocol in the Texas hospital.

So, son, how did the CDC screw up?

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Are you kidding?

1.) The CDC director's story has changed daily.

2.) The nurses did not break protocol. They followed the CDC's directive exactly and the CDC director has apologized for initially claiming they broke protocol.

3.) The nurses union president says the CDC's protocols are inadequate and don't even adhere to the AMA's standards.

4.) Nurse #1 called the CDC about flying to Cleveland and reported her symptoms. She was also on the list of 77 people that had come into contact with patient 1. The CDC said oh go ahead and fly.

The list is long.

The CDC is the typical federal gov't. agency under the Obama administration. Incompetent.



1. Not really.

2. The only way either nurse could have been infected is if they broke protocol. The investigation has not been completed as to exactly how protocol was not followed.
3. The nurses Union said that the hospital made 5 major mistakes. Not the CDC.

4. That was a mistake, but it wasn't made by Dr. Friedman.


Try again, Tom.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2014 at 10:41 PM
Amen Shepard Smith:

Fox News' Shepard Smith railed against the media's Ebola hysteria on Wednesday.

"You should have no concerns about Ebola at all. None. I promise," stated Smith. He went on to tell viewers, "Do not listen to the hysterical voices on the radio and the television or read the fear-provoking words online. The people who say and write hysterical things are being very irresponsible."

He explained: "We do not have an outbreak of Ebola in the United States. Nowhere. We do have two healthcare workers who contracted the disease from a dying man. They are isolated. There is no information to suggest that the virus has spread to anyone in the general population in America. Not one person in the general population in the United States."

The Fox News host emphasized that political gamesmanship is skewing media coverage. "With midterm elections coming, the party in charge needs to appear to be effectively leading. The party out of power needs to show that there is a lack of leadership," said Smith.

Smith stressed, "I report to you with certainty this afternoon that being afraid at all is the wrong thing to do." He called media-stoked Ebola panic "counterproductive", saying that it "lacks basis in fact or reason."

He acknowledged that Ebola is a serious problem in West Africa, as well as for the victims and their families in Texas, but he pleaded with media outlets to stop fear-mongering about Ebola in the U.S.

"Someday there may be a real panic. Someday, something may start spreading that they can't control. And then, do you know what we're gonna have to do? We're gonna have to relax and listen to leaders. We're not gonna panic when we're supposed to and we're certainly not gonna panic now. We have to stop it."

 

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  posted on 10/16/2014 at 10:49 PM
1. Not really.
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Daily changes as directed by Obama’s communications and political staff.


2. The only way either nurse could have been infected is if they broke protocol. The investigation has not been completed as to exactly how protocol was not followed.
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Are you a doctor with firsthand knowledge of the situation? No you are not. The nurses followed the CDCs protocols and that is why they got infected.


3. The nurses Union said that the hospital made 5 major mistakes. Not the CDC.
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The nurses union said “mistakes were made” but did not exonerate the CDC and she stated that the CDC’s protocol don’t even come up to the levels dictated by the AMA


4. That was a mistake, but it wasn't made by Dr. Friedman.
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Dr. Friedman is responsible for his agency.


 

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  posted on 10/16/2014 at 10:54 PM
Wow, I can't believe I actually agree with Shepard Smith.

Muleman, you sound like a fool. You are not yet ready for prime time. You embarrass yourself on here. There was a murder in North Philly last week. Obama's fault, right?

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by BoytonBrother]

 

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  posted on 10/16/2014 at 10:56 PM
Muleman why are you blaming Obama? He is just a middle man.

Why are you not blaming God?

 

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  posted on 10/16/2014 at 11:02 PM
If the GOP and the ridiculous right want to wonk on about Ebola maybe they should stop blocking confirmation of a Surgeon General. Or do they actually think the President should micro-manage every element of the country... and still want small government..... It's all so internally conflicting for those who claim to be Republicans nowadays.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2014 at 11:25 PM
Muleman has resorted to inventing things. They are still trying to figure out how the two nurses contracted Ebola. But he knows it was the fault of the CDC. Then why aren't workers in the other hospitals with Ebola patients getting sick? They are following the CDC protocol. Muleman, you should stay away from topics that you are ignorant about.
 

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  posted on 10/16/2014 at 11:55 PM
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Perhaps it's coincidence but with every problem that arises this seems to be the Obama administration MO
1. Minimize the problem, not that big a deal.
2. When this is no longer tenable assure people that the problem is under control without actually doing anything.
3. When this is no longer tenable cancel an event, make a speech and take belated steps after the fact.



And no matter what the issue...

1. Mixed signals
2. Blame shifting
3. Confusion
4. Lack of accountability
5. Lying

INCOMPETENCE

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 04:45 AM
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And no matter what the issue...

1. Mixed signals
2. Blame shifting
3. Confusion
4. Lack of accountability
5. Lying

Huh, sounds like a perfect description of alloak in the WP.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 07:04 AM
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Shepherd Smith was half right.

Every case of Ebola contracted in this country is the result of people helping others.

So you see, there is no threat to Republicans.


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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 07:19 AM
well it's good that people are finally paying attention to ebola, lol, I've only been posting about it since june. the type of attention though seems to be lacking in understanding of the virus.

I still don't understand the criteria people are using to call for a ban on air travel. if some of the reasons given are applied to other deadly diseases and viruses then what is being called for is an end to all world travel forever.

a couple of examples:



What about enterovirus D68? Should US air travel be restricted so as not to kill other innocent children around the world?

A New Jersey 4-year-old died in his sleep September 24. It is the first death health officials are directly linking to the virus.

Tests have also shown EV-D68 in four other people who have died, but the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has said the role the virus played in those deaths "is unclear at this time."

As of Monday, the CDC has confirmed 594 cases of enterovirus D68 in 43 states and the District of Columbia.


and another:

The fact that we did NOT succumb to the hysteria and have a travel ban when SARS was an issue is evidence of how crazy we have become.

read about the SARS epidemic. And see how many North Americans died in that outbreak.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...
What you'll find is that the only travel warnings they gave was to NOT make any unnecessary trips to the region where the disease was flourishing.
They never warned to ban travel FROM those areas. And read how much Toronto whined about lost revenue.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/ame...

The World Health Organization (WHO) is withdrawing its advice to travellers to avoid the Canadian city of Toronto, saying it is satisfied with local measures to stop the spread of Sars.

Canada - the only country outside Asia where people have died of the pneumonia-like disease - was furious at the WHO warning, which has proved costly for the country's business capital.


if everytime a deadly disease or virus arises we shut down the world, well we are all smart people and understand the consequences.

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by LeglizHemp]

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 07:31 AM
How silly to make the Ebola story about the President. Only a buffoon would do such a thing. Carry on if you want to sound like a complete fool. There are plenty of valid criticisms of the President, but you choose to blame him for Ebola, LOL!!!!! And conservatives wonder why they are an endangered species. Who do you expect, under the age of 40, to buy such foolishness? I love it....in a time of golden opportunity to sway swing voters to the right, conservatives use the prescious time to blame Obama for Ebola. Great strategy!!!!
 

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And no matter what the issue...

1. Mixed signals
2. Blame shifting
3. Confusion
4. Lack of accountability
5. Lying

Huh, sounds like a perfect description of alloak in the WP.


Gee thanks, gondicar.

What a prince!

 

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How silly to make the Ebola story about the President. Only a buffoon would do such a thing. Carry on if you want to sound like a complete fool. There are plenty of valid criticisms of the President, but you choose to blame him for Ebola, LOL!!!!! And conservatives wonder why they are an endangered species. Who do you expect, under the age of 40, to buy such foolishness? I love it....in a time of golden opportunity to sway swing voters to the right, conservatives use the prescious time to blame Obama for Ebola. Great strategy!!!!


Who's in charge? As incompetent as the federal government looks whenever
a situation presents itself, it appears that NOBODY is. No chance the voters
will notice that.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 08:53 AM
I do find the irony stunning. The party who has screamed for the last 6 years that there is too much federal government in our lives is now screaming there is not enough federal government in our lives.

Add to that they cut CDC budget and then refused to confirm the Surgeon General nominee.

I also find it amazing that when Reagan their hero was in office over 20,000 people died of AIDS before Reagan woke up out of one of his dementia induced stupors and responded.

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by Peachypetewi]

 

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I do find the irony stunning. The party who has screamed for the last 6 years that there is too much federal government in our lives is now screaming there is not enough federal government in our lives.


It's not ironic at all. When it comes to protecting/defending the public, most would agree that's the #1 job of the government.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 09:08 AM
Protecting the public would also entail regulating the marketing and selling of harmful products to children, but they oppose that in the name of freedom.

Alloak, if Obama is responsible for all bad things that happen simply because he is in charge, then is he also responsible for anything good that happens?

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 09:13 AM
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Every case of Ebola contracted in this country is the result of people helping others.

So you see, there is no threat to Republicans.


and no threat to Democrats because they only try to help themselves

 

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I do find the irony stunning. The party who has screamed for the last 6 years that there is too much federal government in our lives is now screaming there is not enough federal government in our lives.


It's not ironic at all. When it comes to protecting/defending the public, most would agree that's the #1 job of the government.

Then let's see if our do-nothing Congress can confirm a Surgeon General and stop squeezing the CDC's budget and make sure they have the resources they need.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 09:16 AM
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Add to that they cut CDC budget


The CDC budget has increased 188% since 2000, but why not look
at the waste for once?

1. $400,000 for researching male sex workers in Peru
2. $1,000,000 to study sex attraction in fruit flies
3. $106,000,000 for a new "visitors center" in Atlanta
4. $10,000,000 for furniture (I keep wondering where the gov't buys it's furniture)
5. $1,700,000 to advise Hollywood on medical plots

Just a few examples.

 

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Add to that they cut CDC budget


The CDC budget has increased 188% since 2000, but why not look
at the waste for once?

1. $400,000 for researching male sex workers in Peru
2. $1,000,000 to study sex attraction in fruit flies
3. $106,000,000 for a new "visitors center" in Atlanta
4. $10,000,000 for furniture (I keep wondering where the gov't buys it's furniture)
5. $1,700,000 to advise Hollywood on medical plots

Just a few examples.

So you are an expert on all those topics as well? That's pretty impressive, although a link would be nice.

The fear mongering going on right now by certain politicians and their supporters is absolutely shameful and hurts out country, IMO.

http://www.wcsh6.com/longform/news/2014/10/14/ebola-facts-not-fear/17250973 /

[Edited on 10/17/2014 by gondicar]

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 09:23 AM
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Then let's see if our do-nothing Congress can confirm a Surgeon General and stop squeezing the CDC's budget and make sure they have the resources they need.


You mean money like the money spent wisely by The National Institutes of Health uncovered by a by the ·Washington Free Beacon

$2,873,440 trying to figure out why lesbians are obese
$2,075,611 was spent encouraging old people to join choirs
$2,101,064 on wearable insoles and buttons that can track a person’s weight
$2,707,067 for text message interventions to try to get obese people to lose weight.
and my favorite
$466,642 on why fat girls have a tough time getting dates



 

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Then let's see if our do-nothing Congress can confirm a Surgeon General and stop squeezing the CDC's budget and make sure they have the resources they need.


You mean money like the money spent wisely by The National Institutes of Health uncovered by a by the ·Washington Free Beacon

$2,873,440 trying to figure out why lesbians are obese
$2,075,611 was spent encouraging old people to join choirs
$2,101,064 on wearable insoles and buttons that can track a person’s weight
$2,707,067 for text message interventions to try to get obese people to lose weight.
and my favorite
$466,642 on why fat girls have a tough time getting dates


Another armchair expert. Wonderful.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2014 at 09:27 AM
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Alloak, if Obama is responsible for all bad things that happen simply because he is in charge, then is he also responsible for anything good that happens?



He's not responsible for bad things that happen, but he is responsible for reacting/responding
to them. If not, then who is in charge? Why do we elect a President? Someone has to be
ultimately in charge. Correct?

Again, it would appear that NOBODY is. No matter what the situation, the initial response
has been pathetic with this administration.

I hope my saying so doesn't upset you.

 
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