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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 05:54 PM
The article below includes a video of Obama explaining his decision to conduct the prisoner swap. I have mixed feelings on this. I'm not worried about those 5 Taliban members harming us in the future because I believe they will be closely watched, or maybe even Team 6 will pay them a visit soon. But I do worry that this decision could motivate foreign militants to kidnap Americans with the hopes of striking a deal with this administration. It would be foolish of such militants to expect that to happen, but I don't expect them to think logically.

As for the right-wing outrage, lets be honest that only time will tell if a dangerous precedent has been set. We don't know how this will affect the future. Anything is possible, even a positive precendent. It's no different than the uncertainty of Bush's decision to invade Iraq. Time proved it to be a pretty good decision, as it has lead to revolutions all across the Middle East as well as the capture and killings of Hussein, Qadafi, and Bin Laden.

At this point in time, I support the prisoner swap to bring our Sergeant home safely. I'm happy for him and for his family. To be successful, risks must be taken, and I don't believe any dangerous precedent will be set.


http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/03/politics/bowe-bergdahl-release/index.html?hpt =hp_t2

 
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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 06:09 PM
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At this point in time, I support the prisoner swap to bring our Sergeant home safely. I'm happy for him and for his family.


Six lives were lost trying to locate this knob after he deserted his unit. He wished to renounce his citizenship and has stated he is ashamed to be an American.

He should be put in front of a firing squad.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 06:25 PM
Interesting. I didn't know that.
 

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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 08:01 PM
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Interesting. I didn't know that.

Yep, he walked off post leaving a note about why he was deserting.

I think it was actually a pretty good thing, the swap I mean. Think about it.
We got back a deserter who should now be questioned about his experiences with the enemy.
If he gets to write a book or goes on a speaking tour, the families of those lost while searching for him should sue and get every penny he brings in, that is if he ever gets out of prison for the desertion.
The Taliban prisoners may get a great welcome, but think what will happen down the road. They won't be given any desirable position in the Taliban because there will always be the question of "Just exactly what did they tell the Americans while being held?"
Did they give any information that led to the deaths of Taliban leaders?

I believe that within the year, all of those traded will have "disappeared from view".

 

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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 08:08 PM
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As for the right-wing outrage
I think there's growing questions - at least concern - on the left as well.

Stories are coming out that his unit clearly knew he had deserted. If that turns out to be true, then serious questions should be directed at Obama for why he swapped killers for an AWOL soldier.

We're always going to look like we're getting the poor end of these deals because we value life far more than our enemies. However, the big mistake here was celebrating the action with the Rose Garden press conference with his parents. That should have embarrassed any honorable American President, and his staff should have never let it happen. But this administration is so far out of touch that it's not surprising they set up a celebration for a questionable Presidential action (based on legal grounds) applied to a very controversial and dubious individual.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 08:40 PM
I'd be curious if anyone with military background can speak to whether there is any official policy of bringing soldiers home - especially in this type of situation. This might bring into perspective the actions.
 

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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 09:45 PM
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But this administration is so far out of touch that it's not surprising they set up a celebration for a questionable Presidential action (based on legal grounds) applied to a very controversial and dubious individual.


More evidence that things are upside-down, a celebration making this weasel out to be some kind of hero? Pathetic, but not at all surprising.

And you wonder why people say, "I want my country back?".....Well, here you go.

The Age of Obama.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 09:49 PM
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But this administration is so far out of touch that it's not surprising they set up a celebration for a questionable Presidential action (based on legal grounds) applied to a very controversial and dubious individual.


Generally speaking, and not about the prisoner swap, some may call Obama out-of-touch, others see the same words and actions and call it innovative and visionary. I don't judge someone's doubt in Obama, but the truth is that we don't know what the future holds, and what the results are going to be. Only time will tell, and it's going to be very interesting to see. I for one was floored when I saw all the positives that resulted from the Bush administration.

[Edited on 6/4/2014 by BoytonBrother]

 

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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 09:54 PM
This whole story reminds me of the plot to "Homeland". Maybe we needed him back in the US because of the potential threat he is to the US. Maybe it's clear to our intelligence officials that he turned, and this is a way to "capture" a traitor.
 

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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 10:05 PM
I'm not sure why you think it was a big celebration - it was a press conference, which I watched live. There are a lot of questions on this one, but articles I have seen (even in the Chicago Tribune) said the message should be to our troops that we will try to bring them home, and this was seen as positive. Yes, the family was happy their son was coming home, but it looked like a press conference to me - not a celebration.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2014 at 11:26 PM
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I'm not sure why you think it was a big celebration - it was a press conference, which I watched live. There are a lot of questions on this one, but articles I have seen (even in the Chicago Tribune) said the message should be to our troops that we will try to bring them home, and this was seen as positive. Yes, the family was happy their son was coming home, but it looked like a press conference to me - not a celebration.


I hope you're not talking about that Rose Garden ceremony with the parents. Press conference?

Gotta hand it to Obama. Always a good idea to replenish the enemy during wartime in return for a deserter. Wow.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2014 at 05:23 AM
' Closely watched'

Now thats funny.

 

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I'm not sure why you think it was a big celebration - it was a press conference, which I watched live. There are a lot of questions on this one, but articles I have seen (even in the Chicago Tribune) said the message should be to our troops that we will try to bring them home, and this was seen as positive. Yes, the family was happy their son was coming home, but it looked like a press conference to me - not a celebration.
Different people will take away different perspectives. But the White House doesn't schedule an event in this fashion unless they think they have something positive to announce. Something that will make the President look good. Something to be proud about. Add to that sending Susan Rice to a Sunday morning show with claims that he served with honor.

I think they've been rather surprised that the press hasn't swooned as they too often have, that tough questions are being asked, and another controversy is emerging. Their hubris knows no bounds.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2014 at 08:38 AM
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Six lives were lost trying to locate this knob after he deserted his unit.


What is your source?

Here is some additional information...

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/world/middleeast/can-gi-be-tied-to-6-lost -lives-facts-are-murky.html?_r=0

 

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  posted on 6/4/2014 at 09:37 AM
God only knows how many lives were spent capturing the five terrorists that Obama exchanged for one deserter.
 

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  posted on 6/4/2014 at 09:41 AM
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Different people will take away different perspectives. But the White House doesn't schedule an event in this fashion unless they think they have something positive to announce.


That's true. The last time I saw a Super Bowl champion at a Rose Garden ceremony I thought it looked more like a press conference.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2014 at 09:49 AM
this ones a head scratcher for sure, but as a parent I do feel the parents are enormously rellieved and I cant begin to think of their reasons for the arabic shout out or the talibanni look the dad had.

I pray that after this casualties go way down and all service members get home safely.

One thing is for sure is the PRez lost Chris Matthews on this deal. That speaks volumes.
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/02/msnbcs-chris-matthews-deeply-skeptical-of -taliban-prisoner-swap/

 

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  posted on 6/4/2014 at 10:13 AM
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At this point in time, I support the prisoner swap to bring our Sergeant home safely. I'm happy for him and for his family.


Six lives were lost trying to locate this knob after he deserted his unit. He wished to renounce his citizenship and has stated he is ashamed to be an American.

He should be put in front of a firing squad.


Wonder if you'd think the same if the deserter was one of your relatives or friends?

Maybe let the military handle this via its standard policies & protocols. Possibly this would be a little more logical?

 

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Different people will take away different perspectives. But the White House doesn't schedule an event in this fashion unless they think they have something positive to announce.


That's true. The last time I saw a Super Bowl champion at a Rose Garden ceremony I thought it looked more like a press conference.



And here I thought your comparisons couldn't get any more stupid.......... count me as being wrong again....

 

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  posted on 6/4/2014 at 12:04 PM
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One thing is for sure is the PRez lost Chris Matthews on this deal. That speaks volumes.


Lol. Chris Matthews is completely irrelevant.


 

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  posted on 6/4/2014 at 12:08 PM
Do you people really believe that every miniscule detail of this decision wasn't scrutinized by all leaders of our military, CIA, and government officials? Do you really believe this was all Obama dismissing all the potential dangers, and saying "screw it, I feel bad for Bergdahl, and I'm bringing him home." It would be incredibly naive to believe that. Obama surely authorized it, but I can assure you dozens of leaders in our CIA and military also approved. It is even more naive to believe that any of us here have a fraction of the info and intelligence that the government has on these people involved in the swap.
 

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Do you people really believe that every miniscule detail of this decision wasn't scrutinized by all leaders of our military, CIA, and government officials? Do you really believe this was all Obama dismissing all the potential dangers, and saying "screw it, I feel bad for Bergdahl, and I'm bringing him home." It would be incredibly naive to believe that. Obama surely authorized it, but I can assure you dozens of leaders in our CIA and military also approved. It is even more naive to believe that any of us here have a fraction of the info and intelligence that the government has on these people involved in the swap.


You are 100% correct.

The problem is that this sort of situation is just another example for the haters to pile on. Nothing new here.

 

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Different people will take away different perspectives. But the White House doesn't schedule an event in this fashion unless they think they have something positive to announce.


That's true. The last time I saw a Super Bowl champion at a Rose Garden ceremony I thought it looked more like a press conference.



And here I thought your comparisons couldn't get any more stupid.......... count me as being wrong again....


So Obama walks off with his arms around a set of parents he invited, their arms around him.

Yep, just your standard run of the mill presser.

 

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The problem is that this sort of situation is just another example for the haters to pile on. Nothing new here.


Actually there is something new here.

Obama is to be treated differently than any other President before him and all future Presidents. He's so special!!

We keep forgetting that.





[Edited on 6/4/2014 by alloak41]

 

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  posted on 6/4/2014 at 01:22 PM
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One thing is for sure is the PRez lost Chris Matthews on this deal. That speaks volumes.


Lol. Chris Matthews is completely irrelevant.




Matthews is a barometer for liberal spin. If he cant swallow the party line than its a public relations disaster for Obama and the democrats.

 

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