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  posted on 4/23/2014 at 08:18 AM
The Insiders: The president’s cynical Keystone XL strategy
By Ed Rogers
April 22 at 6:28 pm

On Friday, the State Department quietly released a notification that the Keystone XL pipeline decision is being delayed yet again. The president of the Laborers’ International Union of North America, Terry O’Sullivan, called the delay “another gutless move” by the administration. We could also dismiss the announcement as just more of the usual dithering from this White House. I don’t think the delay is gutless or dithering, but a more sinister, cynical ploy by this administration to manipulate two groups into continuing to support vulnerable Democrats in an attempt to keep the Senate in 2014.
By appearing to have not made a decision, President Obama keeps the money pouring in from those on the fringe left — like billionaire Democrat Tom Steyer – who want the Democrats to swear allegiance to their global warming agenda. And at the same time, the delay — not outright denial — deceptively makes voters in key states like Louisiana believe there is still some hope that the pipeline will come to life. In Louisiana, voters think that if they reelect Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.), who touts her ability to influence the president on such things, the pipeline will become a reality.
One side or the other is being played for a fool. But given what we know about the weakness of the president’s second-term agenda, and the fact that he could have approved the pipeline already if he wanted to, one would have to bet Keystone XL has no chance of being approved after the 2014 elections. There is nothing new about government officials manipulating announcements of planned projects and the like to suit their political objectives. But Obama’s manipulation has reached a peak. Neither side that he is playing will win. Somehow, the delusional environmentalists think that if there is no pipeline, there will be less oil. But the oil will not stay locked up in Mother Earth — it will be extracted and either travel by freight to the United States or it will go to China. And Louisiana voters who are placing their faith in Landrieu are equally delusional. She voted with Obama 97 percent of the time in 2013, and she knows she has some explaining to do. You can bet that if she is reelected in November, it will be her last term. By that point, she will not care about her constituents who are working in the oil sands in Louisiana. She would rather be a celebrity in Washington, getting cozy with the left-wing beautiful people who dominate the Democratic party.
That said, the White House strategy will no doubt work, at least partially. Global warming money will keep coming, and maybe the Louisiana voters will be fooled into giving Landrieu another term. The question is whether or not it will be enough for the Democrats to hold the Senate for the last two years of Obama’s time in office. Approval of Keystone XL, the jobs it would create for hard-working Americans and the positive impact it would have on America’s energy independence will have to wait until after 2016.


 
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  posted on 4/23/2014 at 06:12 PM
The people who will benefit the most from the pipeline going through are the koch bothers.

I wish Obama would sh!tcan this thing and be done with it.



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  posted on 4/23/2014 at 07:33 PM
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The people who will benefit the most from the pipeline going through are the koch bothers.
Just think if the same attitude existed over 100 years ago...

-- That Henry Ford guy is the only one getting rich on that car thing, screw him and his assembly line jobs!

-- Andy Carnegie is making a fortune off everyone with US Steel. I don't want any part of that!

-- Standard Oil and that Rockefeller guy are rip-off kings. Ban them I say!

Of course, there were numbskulls who expressed such sentiments. And most never tied together the explosion of opportunity that followed, causing labor to be in demand as never before, resulting in a reasonably wealthy and prosperous middle class because labor in demand meant higher wages.

Today we double-down on stupid; condemning, demeaning, and trying to limit the successful, whilst at the same time bemoaning the loss of the middle class. The very kind of people needed to raise levels of opportunity so that labor can be in demand again and the middle class can be stabilized are targets of scorn. Is it any wonder how we get an idiot in the White House who's never as much as run a lemonade stand, and then 'hope' that he's got ideas that will improve things?

 

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  posted on 4/23/2014 at 08:18 PM
Never run as much as a lemonade stand .... is about the stupidest thing I have heard......... being a successful lawyer, professor, politician and author ..... I don't know how the guy even gets up each day..... geez......

 

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  posted on 4/23/2014 at 08:19 PM
The oil companies have such a spotless record with spills - why would anybody oppose this? And what jobs - very few will be needed once it is built......

 

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Today we double-down on stupid; condemning, demeaning

And the pot meets the kettle.

 

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  posted on 4/23/2014 at 09:01 PM
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The people who will benefit the most from the pipeline going through are the koch bothers.
Just think if the same attitude existed over 100 years ago...

-- That Henry Ford guy is the only one getting rich on that car thing, screw him and his assembly line jobs!

-- Andy Carnegie is making a fortune off everyone with US Steel. I don't want any part of that!

-- Standard Oil and that Rockefeller guy are rip-off kings. Ban them I say!

Of course, there were numbskulls who expressed such sentiments. And most never tied together the explosion of opportunity that followed, causing labor to be in demand as never before, resulting in a reasonably wealthy and prosperous middle class because labor in demand meant higher wages.

Today we double-down on stupid; condemning, demeaning, and trying to limit the successful, whilst at the same time bemoaning the loss of the middle class. The very kind of people needed to raise levels of opportunity so that labor can be in demand again and the middle class can be stabilized are targets of scorn. Is it any wonder how we get an idiot in the White House who's never as much as run a lemonade stand, and then 'hope' that he's got ideas that will improve things?
The guy in the white house is a hell of a lot smarter and more successful than you'll ever be.

 

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The people who will benefit the most from the pipeline going through are the koch bothers.
Just think if the same attitude existed over 100 years ago...

-- That Henry Ford guy is the only one getting rich on that car thing, screw him and his assembly line jobs!

-- Andy Carnegie is making a fortune off everyone with US Steel. I don't want any part of that!

-- Standard Oil and that Rockefeller guy are rip-off kings. Ban them I say!

Of course, there were numbskulls who expressed such sentiments. And most never tied together the explosion of opportunity that followed, causing labor to be in demand as never before, resulting in a reasonably wealthy and prosperous middle class because labor in demand meant higher wages.

Today we double-down on stupid; condemning, demeaning, and trying to limit the successful, whilst at the same time bemoaning the loss of the middle class. The very kind of people needed to raise levels of opportunity so that labor can be in demand again and the middle class can be stabilized are targets of scorn. Is it any wonder how we get an idiot in the White House who's never as much as run a lemonade stand, and then 'hope' that he's got ideas that will improve things?
The guy in the white house is a hell of a lot smarter and more successful than you'll ever be.


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  posted on 4/23/2014 at 10:20 PM
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The guy in the white house is a hell of a lot smarter and more successful than you'll ever be


.....and about as much integrity as the Koch Brothers,

 

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  posted on 4/23/2014 at 11:52 PM
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Never run as much as a lemonade stand .... is about the stupidest thing I have heard......... being a successful lawyer, professor, politician and author.


None of the above call for a lick of business sense.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2014 at 07:45 AM
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Never run as much as a lemonade stand .... is about the stupidest thing I have heard......... being a successful lawyer, professor, politician and author.
None of the above call for a lick of business sense.
And as it's been noted on these pages here before, business experience in itself has not been a been a key predictor of Presidential success.

However; in its never-ending grab for power, the Federal gov't keeps assuming significant influence or outright control over more and more business factors. A knowledge of matters economic and business is becoming more important than ever. Even more so, executive experience - being the guy making the ultimate decisions - is really the key attribute. Obama's complete lack of that is shown clearly in his personnel and project management, where micromanagement is applied to anything image-related while major projects lie mismanaged, poorly lead, or outsourced.

As to the other claims; he was a junior lawyer for four years (mostly doing research), a lecturer for four (University of Chicago carefully words it to sound like a professor, but he wasn't), a successful politician? (if lies, misrepresentation, and equivocation are the measure, then, I guess), and a successful author? (2 of 3 books were about... him! Nothing screams preening narcissist more than dual autobiographies before you're 50).

 

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  posted on 4/24/2014 at 08:42 AM
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A knowledge of matters economic and business is becoming more important than ever. Even more so, executive experience - being the guy making the ultimate decisions - is really the key attribute. Obama's complete lack of that is shown clearly in his personnel and project management, where micromanagement is applied to anything image-related while major projects lie mismanaged, poorly lead, or outsourced.


Wow. As an executive what should one do to fill holes in their experience? Hmmm. Why not appoint someone with executive and business experience to be one's Chief Economic Advisor? Like say... Jeffrey Immelt?

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In February 2009, Immelt was appointed as a member to the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board to provide the president and his administration with advice and counsel in fixing America's economic downturn.[14] When President Obama chose to put Jeffrey Immelt at the head of the Economic Advisory Board, he felt that Immelt had attributions in knowing what would help the global economy. Obama has reported that Immelt has emerged as one of his top economic advisors in regards to trying to rebuild America's economy.[15]
On January 21, 2011, President Obama announced Immelt's appointment as chairman of his outside panel of economic advisers, succeeding former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker.[16] The New York Times reported that Obama's appointment of Immelt was "another strong signal that he intends to make the White House more business-friendly."[16] Immelt will retain his post at GE while becoming "chairman of the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, a newly named panel that President Obama is creating by executive order."[16] Despite this, in July 2011 Immelt's General Electric announced that it is in the process of relocating its X-ray division from Wisconsin to China.[17][18] Immelt had previously referred to China as GE's "second home market".[17]


Obama has done well with the economy. At least as far as business goes. Seeing as Congress won't approve his jobs bill the working man is screwed but rich, white republicans are doing great.

The lemonade stand criticism, in light of his economic advisors, is ignorant.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2014 at 09:41 AM
The main difference between Ford, Carnegie and Rockefeller versus Keystone is that the industries they founded had thousands of long term good paying jobs associated with them for several decades. The Keystone pipeline is a short term 1 year job for a bunch of people then it dwindles to less than 50 to maintain it after that.

Having said that I'm torn on this because I think there will be far more rail spills damaging the environment than spills from a properly built pipeline.





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.....and about as much integrity as the Koch Brothers,


Really. he came from nothing and worked his way up. unlike the kock brothers, who started out wealthy.

 

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The guy in the white house is a hell of a lot smarter and more successful than you'll ever be


.....and about as much integrity as the Koch Brothers,


Really. he came from nothing and worked his way up. unlike the kock brothers, who started out wealthy.


You should know by now Pops inheriting tons of money, adhering to the John Birch manifesto that their father founded under the Tea Party name, buying elections and generally trying to buy the entire government and write it's laws and change it's policies to benefit yourself at the expense of just about everyone else are seen as admirable traits to some poster on here.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2014 at 10:18 AM
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A knowledge of matters economic and business is becoming more important than ever. Even more so, executive experience - being the guy making the ultimate decisions - is really the key attribute. Obama's complete lack of that is shown clearly in his personnel and project management, where micromanagement is applied to anything image-related while major projects lie mismanaged, poorly lead, or outsourced.


Wow. As an executive what should one do to fill holes in their experience? Hmmm. Why not appoint someone with executive and business experience to be one's Chief Economic Advisor? Like say... Jeffrey Immelt?

This from Wiki...

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Obama administration[edit]
In February 2009, Immelt was appointed as a member to the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board to provide the president and his administration with advice and counsel in fixing America's economic downturn.[14] When President Obama chose to put Jeffrey Immelt at the head of the Economic Advisory Board, he felt that Immelt had attributions in knowing what would help the global economy. Obama has reported that Immelt has emerged as one of his top economic advisors in regards to trying to rebuild America's economy.[15]
On January 21, 2011, President Obama announced Immelt's appointment as chairman of his outside panel of economic advisers, succeeding former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker.[16] The New York Times reported that Obama's appointment of Immelt was "another strong signal that he intends to make the White House more business-friendly."[16] Immelt will retain his post at GE while becoming "chairman of the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, a newly named panel that President Obama is creating by executive order."[16] Despite this, in July 2011 Immelt's General Electric announced that it is in the process of relocating its X-ray division from Wisconsin to China.[17][18] Immelt had previously referred to China as GE's "second home market".[17]


Obama has done well with the economy. At least as far as business goes. Seeing as Congress won't approve his jobs bill the working man is screwed but rich, white republicans are doing great.

The lemonade stand criticism, in light of his economic advisors, is ignorant.
So your idea of a good economic adviser is Jeff Immelt?

The guy running a company that's one of the biggest net outsourcers of American jobs over the last two decades? A crony capitalist model if there ever was one, wasn't GE being scorned by the left just a year or two ago for paying no taxes?

You guys often help make the point, but this is just an embarrassment of riches.

Obama's narcissism blocks him from bringing in people who know more or think differently than he. One look at his cabinet proves that point, and the Immelt choice is just icing on the cake. BTW - that economic counsel met all of 3 or 4 times.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2014 at 10:36 AM
Obama had it all going for him when he was elected; lofty approval rating, control of both houses of Congress, and a shell-shocked public clamoring for any economic solution you could possibly come up with. He was like a head football coach taking over a 4-12 team that was loaded with talent and popular with the fans and the media. Nowhere to go but up.

We got cash for clunkers, green energy initiatives, Obamacare, and the Stimulus...........Thud.

In sports parlance, his first season went about 5-11 and the second is not much better. Normally there is an elastic effect with economic recoveries. The steeper the downturn, the more robust the recovery. Not this time.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2014 at 10:39 AM
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I was just countering your lemonade stand BS.

Immelt and GE are successful. Immelt has business experience. How many times did Immelt meet with Obama? You don't know. You are just blowing criticism out your a$$. If Obama said the sky was blue you'd call it red.

There is plenty I see wrong with Obama including naming a sitting CEO of one of the most powerful corporations in the world as your chief economic advisor. I think that is an outrageous conflict of interest.

The fact he did name Immelt to the board blows your lemonade stand argument out of the water. It is a stupid argument.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2014 at 11:11 AM
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Never run as much as a lemonade stand .... is about the stupidest thing I have heard......... being a successful lawyer, professor, politician and author ..... I don't know how the guy even gets up each day..... geez......


He wasn't a succesful lawyer. he never practiced a day in his life. He did nothing to merit being a professor. He published zilch in the field which pretty much all professors are required to do except him. He was a succesful candidate for president with some help from his opponent and circumstances. he is an abject failure as president.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2014 at 11:15 AM
It is amazing to me how people have been persuaded that figures like JD Rockefeller and JP Morgan are amazing businessman and job creators as if no one else could have given these industries the life and success that these guys did. I do believe in the theory that if there is a demand, the marketplace will fill it. Rockefeller, Morgan etc. were all great businessmen to be sure but what separated them from the pack was not creating jobs, or running a business, it was their ability to acquire and exercise power which they clearly were exceptional at.
I am sure there are enough engineers, oil executives, accountants and scientists who can provide the president of the US (aka The Most Powerful Man In The World) with accurate assessments of the Keystone pipeline regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican sits in the Whitehouse.
I think the above article is right in saying that Obama is dragging this thing out until after the midterm elections for political purposes. Not sure if agree that he will not approve it afterwards. I am thinking he will since I get the impression that most Democratic voters are opposed to this thing. But who knows.
Like Obamacare, I feel like there is too much disinformation out there to personally get a clear read on whether the pipeline would be good or bad.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2014 at 11:26 AM
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A knowledge of matters economic and business is becoming more important than ever. Even more so, executive experience - being the guy making the ultimate decisions - is really the key attribute. Obama's complete lack of that is shown clearly in his personnel and project management, where micromanagement is applied to anything image-related while major projects lie mismanaged, poorly lead, or outsourced.


Wow. As an executive what should one do to fill holes in their experience? Hmmm. Why not appoint someone with executive and business experience to be one's Chief Economic Advisor? Like say... Jeffrey Immelt?

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In February 2009, Immelt was appointed as a member to the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board to provide the president and his administration with advice and counsel in fixing America's economic downturn.[14] When President Obama chose to put Jeffrey Immelt at the head of the Economic Advisory Board, he felt that Immelt had attributions in knowing what would help the global economy. Obama has reported that Immelt has emerged as one of his top economic advisors in regards to trying to rebuild America's economy.[15]
On January 21, 2011, President Obama announced Immelt's appointment as chairman of his outside panel of economic advisers, succeeding former Federal Reserve chairman Paul Volcker.[16] The New York Times reported that Obama's appointment of Immelt was "another strong signal that he intends to make the White House more business-friendly."[16] Immelt will retain his post at GE while becoming "chairman of the Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, a newly named panel that President Obama is creating by executive order."[16] Despite this, in July 2011 Immelt's General Electric announced that it is in the process of relocating its X-ray division from Wisconsin to China.[17][18] Immelt had previously referred to China as GE's "second home market".[17]


Obama has done well with the economy. At least as far as business goes. Seeing as Congress won't approve his jobs bill the working man is screwed but rich, white republicans are doing great.

The lemonade stand criticism, in light of his economic advisors, is ignorant.


The economy is not doing well for anyone. The sign of a healthy economy is growth. Growth is what creates jobs and opportunity and raises living standards. Every administration going back to forever has recognized this except this one and its defenders. This has been the worst recovery in memory. It doesn't matter that corporate profits are up. Corporations are declaring profits rather than re-investing the money in growing their businesses not out of greed but out of fear and uncertainty. Again, it should go without saying,especially on this board, that the hallmark of a healthy economy is NOT corporate profit. It's economic growth. And growth has been putrid. Compare the growth over the last six years since Obama took office to the growth from 1982-1988 or 1994-2000.

 

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Really. he came from nothing and worked his way up. unlike the kock brothers, who started out wealthy.


He came from nothing? The revisionism is beyond belief. He came from a comfortably middle class family and went to private schools and then Ivy League colleges.

Now Condeleeza Rice who is generally denigrated truly came from nothing, having grown up in segregated Alabama.

 

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I was just countering your lemonade stand BS.

Immelt and GE are successful. Immelt has business experience. How many times did Immelt meet with Obama? You don't know. You are just blowing criticism out your a$$. If Obama said the sky was blue you'd call it red.

There is plenty I see wrong with Obama including naming a sitting CEO of one of the most powerful corporations in the world as your chief economic advisor. I think that is an outrageous conflict of interest.

The fact he did name Immelt to the board blows your lemonade stand argument out of the water. It is a stupid argument.
I thought you guys normally despise corporate leadership? The 1%, etc. But now that Obama waved his magic wand in his direction, he's ok. Pay no attention to all that offshoring and tax controversy of the past.

An interesting side note is how Immelt ended up there. Obama wanted to reconfigure the advisory board to focus more on jobs, so Paul Volker (someone of real accomplishment) was out, and Immelt was in. Right there any knowledgeable observer knew something was wrong, as GE and Immelt had been doing nothing but dropping jobs for years (an apt analogy for Obamanomics, come to think of it).

As to knowing how often they met: sorry, but we know exactly how many times because the President's schedule is a matter of public record. And the story of how little was done with this group was another of a long list that the major media chose to ignore while no real progress toward recovery was occurring. Hard to reverse the coverage when they'd been so in the tank for him.

Why is there anything wrong with a CEO being an adviser on economic matters? It would be nice if he actually was a capitalist, believed in equal and optimized opportunity, and accomplished more than just sucking up to politicians.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2014 at 12:01 PM
As usual, the conservatives here bash Obama for doing things that every single politician has done since the beginning of time, further exposing a personal bias, and nothing more. The bashing is not about his politics, and only about him. When will they learn how to properly articulate their criticisms?
 

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As usual, the conservatives here bash Obama for doing things that every single politician has done since the beginning of time, further exposing a personal bias, and nothing more. The bashing is not about his politics, and only about him. When will they learn how to properly articulate their criticisms?


To answer your question - Never or maybe when Hillary becomes the next President. Keep in mind, it's much easier to hate and drink from the 1/2 empty glass of pi$$.

 
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