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  posted on 3/27/2014 at 09:20 PM
Dont own a gun, probably right in the middle on most gun issues, but i do not trist that this big push to get rid of guns lately is because the politicians pushing for it is because they care.
This guy certainly isn't proving me wrong:

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  posted on 3/27/2014 at 10:19 PM
I imagine we'd find a lot of similar behavior if we knew everything about politicians who scream about drug control, but are involved in various ways behind the scenes.

Why anyone trusts a politician is beyond my understanding. Ultimately we get what we deserve, since as voters we rarely remove them for violating their oaths or not enforcing laws. Too many have become addicted to what gov't does for me, and ignore behaviors in office other than those.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2014 at 09:46 AM
You are correct they are addicted to the juice and even if honest when they run it does not take long to get abuse going...

A interesting question Fuji why do we the people do not hold these politicians responsible for upholding their sworn oaths? they should be arrested and tried for treason for not upholding their oaths if that happened to some of them it might make the others think but then we do nothing.... sad.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2014 at 06:18 PM
And a few 'anti gay' pols so deep in the closet when they get outed.

 

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  posted on 3/28/2014 at 08:05 PM
So which politicians do you trust? The anti-drug politicians? Or maybe the ones who crusade against organized crime? Or how about the ones who are for traditional family values and against gay rights?

I mean come on, you're seriously singling out "anti-gun politicians" as untrustworthy and corrupt (the inference being that we shouldn't trust any attempt at curtailing gun violence)? That's rich.

Too bad we can't turn back the clock 100 years or so, at least as far as this is concerned...






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  posted on 3/29/2014 at 07:14 AM
I am not singling out anti-gun politicians for distrust. I am highlighting the fact that since OBVIOUSLY politicians are not to be trusted when they give a reason for why they are campaigning for a particular issue or legislation, I do not believe this unprecedented push for gun control has anything to do with "safety" or Sandyhook. Therefore, there is a very big, and in my opinion very scary question, if not "safety" and Sandyhook, WHAT IS the reason behind the biggest push to repeal the second amendment in living memory? I'm guessing its not a good one.
 

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So which politicians do you trust? The anti-drug politicians? Or maybe the ones who crusade against organized crime? Or how about the ones who are for traditional family values and against gay rights?

I mean come on, you're seriously singling out "anti-gun politicians" as untrustworthy and corrupt (the inference being that we shouldn't trust any attempt at curtailing gun violence)? That's rich.

Too bad we can't turn back the clock 100 years or so, at least as far as this is concerned...






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wish that law would have made it.....

 

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I am not singling out anti-gun politicians for distrust. I am highlighting the fact that since OBVIOUSLY politicians are not to be trusted when they give a reason for why they are campaigning for a particular issue or legislation, I do not believe this unprecedented push for gun control has anything to do with "safety" or Sandyhook. Therefore, there is a very big, and in my opinion very scary question, if not "safety" and Sandyhook, WHAT IS the reason behind the biggest push to repeal the second amendment in living memory? I'm guessing its not a good one.

So your distrust of politicians is so strong that you can't judge whether or not a particular issue has merit on its own? You just think that if a politician is in favor of something, then it must be bad? I'm not sure how else to read this.

Which politicians are out campaigning for this biggest push to repeal the second amendment in living memory? There must be a whole bunch of them if it is such a huge reason why you distrust them all. Any links to where repeal of the 2nd amendment is written into their policy initiatives?

 

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So your distrust of politicians is so strong that you can't judge whether or not a particular issue has merit on its own?
Nearly any voter who wants to find out what a bill is about can do so, and make up their minds. That's not the problem.

It's politicians that won't own up to their former positions and votes, endlessly re-calibrating their position to adjust for today's polls, that I find dis-trustworthy. Their retention of power is all that is important.

Take the current state of Obamacare. Many Dems are fearful of losing their seats this fall, and rightly so. So the new poll-calibrated response uses the dozens of twists and changes to the law as justification to say "it's not the law I voted for". Huh? You mean the law you never read before voting on it? The one that you and Nancy walked up the Capital steps with that stupid over-sized gavel and shoved down everyone's throats? The one with thousands of provisions "to be determined later by the Secretary"? The one that gave the Administration the power to screw with the lives of more than 80% of the population, and now you want to run from?

Sorry for the rant, but this kind of distortion should be called out an punished every time, regardless of party. But given the reelection rates of Congress, it rarely seems to happen.

 

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  posted on 3/30/2014 at 10:46 AM
Gondicar, read my posts. I think I have pretty clearly stated that my judgement on the gun issue - that I do not believe the current push to ban guns has anything to do with safety or Sandyhook - is further validated when guys like Leland Yee and Michael Bloomberg are exposed as rank hypocrites. I have no idea where you are getting that my judgement is a result of my mistrust of politicians.
If you want a list of some of the politicians looking to repeal the second amendment, check out the the home page for the Mike Bloomberg organization Mayors Against Illegal Guns. The mayor of Poughkeepsi, NY recently wrote an op ed stating he left the organization because it became clear that repealing the second amendment is the group's ultimate aim.

 

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I am not singling out anti-gun politicians for distrust. I am highlighting the fact that since OBVIOUSLY politicians are not to be trusted when they give a reason for why they are campaigning for a particular issue or legislation, I do not believe this unprecedented push for gun control has anything to do with "safety" or Sandyhook. Therefore, there is a very big, and in my opinion very scary question, if not "safety" and Sandyhook, WHAT IS the reason behind the biggest push to repeal the second amendment in living memory? I'm guessing its not a good one.

So your distrust of politicians is so strong that you can't judge whether or not a particular issue has merit on its own? You just think that if a politician is in favor of something, then it must be bad? I'm not sure how else to read this.

Which politicians are out campaigning for this biggest push to repeal the second amendment in living memory? There must be a whole bunch of them if it is such a huge reason why you distrust them all. Any links to where repeal of the 2nd amendment is written into their policy initiatives?


Gondicar, did you really read the original post?

Also, you want to know about what "big push" is out there to repeal the 2nd Amendment I'll be glad to forward plenty of articles, bills (state and federal), proposed regulations, plenty enough stuff for you to have full inbox for several months to come.

If you wish, you could read the FBI indictment:
www.sfgate.com/file/757/757-complaint_affidavit_14-70421-nc.pdf

Yeah, I know it's 137 pages, but remember that while this Democrat California state senator was pushing for more restrictions on private ownership of firearms, he was working with people who wanted to import "military grade firearms" illegally into the US for use by a Chinese gang who sold firearms that were under California regulation, illegal for California citizens to purchase.
One of the state laws he backed was the "microstamping rule". This was to have firearms that placed a code on fired cartridges to identify which particular firearm was used, something like the "Judge Dredd" pistols did.
Firearms that do not have this feature and no longer on the "allowed roster" and cannot be sold to civilians, but they CAN BE SOLD TO LAW ENFORCEMENT.
Most of the firearms manufacturers are now stopping sales to California agencies stating that since the firearms cannot be sold to civilians, they will not be sold in the sate at all. Eventually, California will find themselves with armories full of firearms that are no longer in any shape to be used, and no companies to purchase new ones from unless the sale to civilians is approved.
Do you see the point being taken here? California is putting itself to a position of no civilian gun ownership, just the police and whomever they deem "worthy".

 

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  posted on 3/30/2014 at 12:25 PM
I would be interested in whatever links you have about politicians who are calling for a repeal of the 2nd amendment.

 

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I would be interested in whatever links you have about politicians who are calling for a repeal of the 2nd amendment.


OK, let's start with Feinstein:
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

Of course you'll have to remember that what she classifies as an "assault weapon" consists of almost 60% of all firearms.

How about the anti-gun laws in Colorado, California, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Illinois, and Oregon that have been proposed over the past year, almost all identical, and proposed by democrats.
Yep, no plan there to degrade or attempt to deny 2nd Amendment rights.

 

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I would be interested in whatever links you have about politicians who are calling for a repeal of the 2nd amendment.


OK, let's start with Feinstein:
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

Of course you'll have to remember that what she classifies as an "assault weapon" consists of almost 60% of all firearms.

How about the anti-gun laws in Colorado, California, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Illinois, and Oregon that have been proposed over the past year, almost all identical, and proposed by democrats.
Yep, no plan there to degrade or attempt to deny 2nd Amendment rights.

Wait, I thought there was a movement to repeal the 2nd amendment? I just reviewed everything I could find at that link and see nothing about repealing the 2nd amendment.

 

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I would be interested in whatever links you have about politicians who are calling for a repeal of the 2nd amendment.


OK, let's start with Feinstein:
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

Of course you'll have to remember that what she classifies as an "assault weapon" consists of almost 60% of all firearms.

How about the anti-gun laws in Colorado, California, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Illinois, and Oregon that have been proposed over the past year, almost all identical, and proposed by democrats.
Yep, no plan there to degrade or attempt to deny 2nd Amendment rights.

Wait, I thought there was a movement to repeal the 2nd amendment? I just reviewed everything I could find at that link and see nothing about repealing the 2nd amendment.


But the ruse is good to rile the base, and it works.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2014 at 06:53 AM
You guys do realize that is a government (or corporation for that matter) are going to take away a right or social program they may choose a more subtle approach then announcing "Hi. I'm Michael Bloomberg and I am forming a group with the goal of repealing the second amendment"? If you think that the fact that a bunch of politicians have not publicly stated their agenda is proof of that of lack of intent... I know you guys don't believe that. However, if you would like to see it spelled out for you in black and white, feel free to google the op Ed piece written by the mayor of Poufhkeepsie, NY where he spells out that despite his support for more restrictive gun laws, he left Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns group because it was made plain to him that the group's ultimate objective was to repeal the second amendment.
I am not "base." I don't own a gun and, while I don't have a problem with it, I do not like hunting personally. I simply see civil rights being swept aside at un-precedented rate during the Bush/Obama years and I see the very frightening possibility that this massive anti-gun movement could have it roots as a piece of that broader trend.
I would be elated if someone could reassure me that this is not the case, but as I said in the original post, many of these politicians are just giving me more reason to believe that their motivations have nothing to do with safety and Sandyhook.

 

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  posted on 3/31/2014 at 01:36 PM
This is a passionate discussion for both sides but remember more children die each year from bathtubs, accidents cancer, and birth defects than from guns........

 

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I would be interested in whatever links you have about politicians who are calling for a repeal of the 2nd amendment.


OK, let's start with Feinstein:
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

Of course you'll have to remember that what she classifies as an "assault weapon" consists of almost 60% of all firearms.

How about the anti-gun laws in Colorado, California, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Illinois, and Oregon that have been proposed over the past year, almost all identical, and proposed by democrats.
Yep, no plan there to degrade or attempt to deny 2nd Amendment rights.

Wait, I thought there was a movement to repeal the 2nd amendment? I just reviewed everything I could find at that link and see nothing about repealing the 2nd amendment.


You look for the pattern in what legislation is being pushed, mis-spoke sound bites aka Reid and his "this anti-gun , excuse me anti-violence legislation", the record of the legislators who repeatedly call for more and more gun legislation (many of whom have armed bodyguards 24/7), the repeatedly references to "illegal guns" or "assault rifles" or "weapons of mass killing". This isn't something that's going to be done overnight, or in ten years, but it will be done in a slow, measured process. Some legislators are pretty much out front when they don't think they are being overheard and speak of seizing all privately held firearms.

 

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I would be interested in whatever links you have about politicians who are calling for a repeal of the 2nd amendment.


OK, let's start with Feinstein:
http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons

Of course you'll have to remember that what she classifies as an "assault weapon" consists of almost 60% of all firearms.

How about the anti-gun laws in Colorado, California, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Illinois, and Oregon that have been proposed over the past year, almost all identical, and proposed by democrats.
Yep, no plan there to degrade or attempt to deny 2nd Amendment rights.

Wait, I thought there was a movement to repeal the 2nd amendment? I just reviewed everything I could find at that link and see nothing about repealing the 2nd amendment.


You look for the pattern in what legislation is being pushed, mis-spoke sound bites aka Reid and his "this anti-gun , excuse me anti-violence legislation", the record of the legislators who repeatedly call for more and more gun legislation (many of whom have armed bodyguards 24/7), the repeatedly references to "illegal guns" or "assault rifles" or "weapons of mass killing". This isn't something that's going to be done overnight, or in ten years, but it will be done in a slow, measured process. Some legislators are pretty much out front when they don't think they are being overheard and speak of seizing all privately held firearms.


In other words, there is no movement to repeal the 2nd amendment. Thank you.

 

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  posted on 4/4/2014 at 04:16 PM
Again Gondi!!! you take a statement and bend it so out of it's original intent that no one recognizes it then add nothing to the discussion... I know you are smarter than this come on play ball with the rest of us.... ask bloomberg if he would like to repeal the second !

 

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Google the mayor of Poughkeepsie's op-ed piece. He lays out pretty clearly that he left Mayors Against Illegal Guns because **even though he is in Favor of more restrictive gun laws** it was made plain to him that Bloomberg and his group had the long-term goal of repealing the second amendment.
There are Plenty of people who would like the second amendment repelled and all guns banned and not the least of these citizens are (likely) the family members of mass shooting victims. There is absolutely no disputing the intentions and righteousness (for lack of a better word) of these folks.
The problem is, stop me if this sounds familiar, the motivations of Bloomeberg and other politicians seem to have nothing to do with the sensible reasons for gun control. When you see Bloomberg give an interview and belittle self-defense as a reason for owning a gun while 15 - yes, 15, look it up - armed guards protect him wherever he goes, it illustrates that these people are hypocrites and want to eliminate guns for other reasons then they state in public. As a result a lot of people who would be full-go in support of these sorts of restrictions recoil from them.

 

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Again Gondi!!! you take a statement and bend it so out of it's original intent that no one recognizes it then add nothing to the discussion... I know you are smarter than this come on play ball with the rest of us.... ask bloomberg if he would like to repeal the second !


Dude, come on. You and others are trying to convince us that there is a big movement underway to repeal the 2nd amendment, and the only support being offered is the same old gun control arguments and political positions on gun restrictions that have been going back and forth for generations. The truth is that there is no serious movement to repeal the 2nd amendment no matter how you and others try to spin it. That you would accuse me of being the one to "bend it so out of it's original intent" is very ironic.



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  posted on 4/5/2014 at 04:59 PM
Duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude I mean come on Bloomberg spending over 1billion of his own money is a pretty serious threat .... IMO.

 

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