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  posted on 3/15/2014 at 07:00 PM
Yeah, its a couple of years old, but makes some good points. of course we will have some whining from the usual suspects: fujirich, alloakiedoakie


An open letter to the people who hate Obama more than they love America

I meet you all the time. You hate Obama. You hate gay people. You hate black people, immigrants, Muslims, labor unions, women who want the right to make choices concerning their bodies, you hate em all. You hate being called racist. You hate being called a bigot. Maybe if you talked about creating jobs more than you talk about why you hate gay people we wouldn't call you bigots. Maybe if you talked about black people without automatically assuming they are on food stamps while demanding their birth certificates we wouldn't call you racist. You hate socialism and social justice. You hate regulations and taxes and spending and the Government. You hate.

Image Hosting by PictureTrail.com You like war. You like torture. You like Jesus. I don't know how in the hell any of that is compatible, but no one ever accused you haters of being over-committed to ideological consistency. You like people who look like you or at least hate most of the things that you hate. You hate everything else.

Now, I know you profess to love our country and the founding fathers (unless you are reminded that they believed in the separation of church and state), but I need to remind you that America is NOT what Fox News says it is. America is a melting pot, it always has been. We are a multi-cultural amalgamation of all kinds of people, and yet you still demonize everyone who is not a rich, white, heterosexual christian male or his submissive and obedient wife.

You hate liberals, moderates, hell, anyone who disagrees with Conservative dogma as espoused by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. You hate em.

Well, here are the facts, Jack. If you hate the Government then you are unqualified to manage it. If you hate gay people more than you love America than you should take your own advice and get the hell out. There are several countries that are openly hostile to gay people, but they are full of brown people and you don't like them much either from what I understand. It looks like you are screwed, but that's not what I am here to tell you.

More rant below the fold . . .

Now that you have thrown everything and the kitchen sink at President Obama and it still hasn't worked you are panicking. Obama's approval ratings are still near 50% despite your best efforts to undermine the economy and America's recovery at every step you can. You tried to hold the American economy hostage to force America into default on its' debts, debts that YOU rang up under Bush, so you could blame it on Obama and it failed. You've used the filibuster more than any other Congress ever, going so far as to vote against providing health care access to 9/11 first responders. You remember 9/11, don't you, it's that thing you used to lie us into a war in Iraq, and then when Obama killed Bin Laden and ended the war in Iraq you told people that he hates America and wants the troops to fail. You monsters. You hate Obama with a passion, despite the fact that he is a tax cutting, deficit reducing war President who undermines civil rights and delivers corporate friendly watered down reforms that benefit special interests just like a Republican. You call him a Kenyan. You call him a socialist. You dance with your hatred singing it proudly in the rain like it was a 1950's musical.

Frankly, you disgust me. Your hatred nauseates me. Your bigotry offends me. Your racism revolts me.

Dear haters, I am openly questioning your patriotism.

I think you hate gays, Obama, black people, poor people, all of us, women, atheists and agnostics, Latinos, Muslims, Liberals, all of us, I think you hate every one who isn't exactly like you, and I think you hate us more than you love your country.

I think you hate gay soldiers more than you want America to win its wars.

I don't even think you want America to win wars, you just want America to have wars, never ending wars and the war profiteering it generates. You love that kind of spending, you love spending on faith based initiatives and abstinence based sex education (George Carlin would have loved that one), you love spending on subsidies for profitable oil corporations, you spend like drunken sailors when you are in the White House, but if it is a Democrat then suddenly you cheer when America doesn't get the Olympics because it might make the black President look bad. But oooh you love your country, you say, and you want it back. Well listen here skippy, it isn't your country, you don't own it, it is our country, and America is NOT the religiously extremist Foxbots who hate science, elitist professors and having a vibrant and meaningful sex life with someone we love if Rick Santorum doesn't approve of it. Rick Santorum isn't running for America's **** ing high school dance chaperone, he should probably just shut the hell up about sex, but he can't because he has nothing else to run on.

Republicans can NOT win on the issues. They've got NOTHING. All they have is a divide and conquer class war that pits ignorant racist and bigoted people against the rest of us in a meaningless battle of wedge issues and the already proven to fail George W. Bush agenda again of tax cuts for the rich, deregulation, privatization and war profiteering and nothing else, so all they can do is blame black people, gays the government, anybody and everyone else for their own failings. The party of personal responsibility, my ass.

But they love multi-national corporations, just ask a gay hating and racist religious extremist if they think Corporations are people and they will gladly agree, but if you ask them if gay people are people they aren't so sure.

Dear haters, you are the cruel, heartless misinformed **** s who would sell America out to Haliburton in a heartbeat, you would rather pay ZERO taxes than you would see a newly born baby get access to quality health care, you cheer when we discuss denying health care to young people with preventable diseases, and you boo when we discuss the First Ladies plan to cut back on childhood obesity. You are a cross to carry and a flag to wrap yourself in away from being the people who Sinclair Lewis warned us about, but I guarantee that if Fox News told you to dress that way you would, because you are the same blind, ignorant and closed minded dunces who drove this country into a civil war years ago because you are bound to the notion that some men are more equal than others. In short, the reason I proudly wear my union army hat is because of seditious sell outs like you who constantly **** over working class Americans so a foreign entrepreneur like Rupert Murdoch can get a bigger tax break. If corporations are people, they are neither American patriots nor capable of love. Just like you.

So stop wearing your hate with pride. Stop celebrating your anti-science, anti-math ignorance. Stop using code words to mask your bigotry like "family values", especially when you hate my family and when you stand on the same stage as a guy who has had three marriages or if you share a seat in the Senate with a guy who cheated on his wife with hookers while wearing diapers. You should be ashamed. I know that you are just doing this to motivate your misinformed hate cult base because if they actually knew that your ideas will make them poorer than they are now, they would never vote for you. You are doing your best to impoverish your countrymen so rich people can get bigger tax breaks and you can keep on delivering corporate welfare to the special interests who have bribed you, and I am disgusted by the way you gleefully parade your hatred with aplomb. I don't think you do love America. At least, not as much as you hate everyone in America who isn't exactly like you.

You should think about that, and maybe get some help.

And for the record, I do not hate you. I am embarrassed by you and nauseated by your cruel and thoughtless behavior and your all consuming greed, but I do not hate you. I forgive you and I hope you can change someday, but I don't hate you. You have enough hate in you for the rest of us as it is.

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[Edited on 3/16/2014 by pops42]

 

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  posted on 3/15/2014 at 09:15 PM

I feel sorry for this individual. He needs our prayers.

 

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  posted on 3/15/2014 at 10:05 PM
Yes, people that speak the truth do need our prayers.......

 

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  posted on 3/15/2014 at 10:18 PM
So they have the courage to keep speaking the truth.

 

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The very first line he claims that he "meets you all the time." Where is he meeting all these people? I can't speak for Rich, but he hasn't met me.

All he's "met" is a composite character based on his own imagination that puts conservatives all under the same umbrella. And yet he's calling people he disagrees with out as being bigots? Take a look in the mirror.

I could refute lot of this but it's not worth the time. I consider myself a Conservative, but I don't hate gays, don't hate women, don't hate black people, don't hate poor people, am pro-choice, wasn't in favor of the Iraq invasion, am not particularly religious, just to name a few.

I suggest that he get out and actually meet more of us for real before spouting off about what he thinks he knows about millions of different people. I can't believe you guys are backing up this garbage.










[Edited on 3/16/2014 by alloak41]

 

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As a liberal, I find this post offensive. Most of it is false accusations. Ironically, the author writes about how he opposes the right because of how much they "hate", but it sounds like he is the one filled with hate and anger. These extreme accusations are the exact problem with today's politics, so the writer is only adding to the problem. Nothing good comes out of viciously attacking someone else's beliefs. The writer doesn't seem to realize that he's doing the exact same thing he claims to oppose. There is a difference between criticizing and attacking, and this is the latter. Instead of attacking, an individual should simply sell their views in an intelligent and effective manner. That's how you make change. Posts like this only make us take a step back.
 

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The very first line he claims that he "meets you all the time." Where is he meeting all these people? I can't speak for Rich, but he hasn't met me.

All he's "met" is a composite character based on his own imagination that puts conservatives all under the same umbrella. And yet he's calling people he disagrees with out as being bigots? Take a look in the mirror.

I could refute lot of this but it's not worth the time. I consider myself a Conservative, but I don't hate gays, don't hate women, don't hate black people, don't hate poor people, am pro-choice, wasn't in favor of the Iraq invasion, am not particularly religious, just to name a few.

I suggest that he get out and actually meet more of us for real before spouting off about what he thinks he knows about millions of different people. I can't believe you guys are backing up this garbage.










[Edited on 3/16/2014 by alloak41]
I think it pretty much spot on [the rant] so because you never met rich, these type of people don't exist?. Ive met loads of people from west texas to eastern california who describe obama as "that n!gger" or "muslim socialist" [or both]. several of my co- workers as well. even one who said "I'm not racist, but you didn't really vote for that "porch monkey" did you?" he was a devout mormon like [mitt romney]. so don't come off like these people described in the letter don't exist, theres a sh!t load of em IVE MET EM, theres some on this site.

[Edited on 3/16/2014 by pops42]

 

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As a liberal, I find this post offensive. Most of it is false accusations. Ironically, the author writes about how he opposes the right because of how much they "hate", but it sounds like he is the one filled with hate and anger. These extreme accusations are the exact problem with today's politics, so the writer is only adding to the problem. Nothing good comes out of viciously attacking someone else's beliefs. The writer doesn't seem to realize that he's doing the exact same thing he claims to oppose. There is a difference between criticizing and attacking, and this is the latter. Instead of attacking, an individual should simply sell their views in an intelligent and effective manner. That's how you make change. Posts like this only make us take a step back.


Excellent post and I agree with every word 100%. This fellow needs to take a good, long look in the mirror.

I don't like Obama at all, no secret there. I think he's done more harm than good, but this guy comes off like opposition or dissatisfaction with a President makes you a bad person in about 50 different ways and that's horsesh*t.


 

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Really Pops,,that article is so far off base,just because someone dislikes Obama doesn't even come close to the people he refers to.
come on you can do better

 

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Now that you have thrown everything and the kitchen sink at President Obama and it still hasn't worked you are panicking. Obama's approval ratings are still near 50% despite your best efforts to undermine the economy and America's recovery at every step you can. You tried to hold the American economy hostage to force America into default on its' debts, debts that YOU rang up under Bush, so you could blame it on Obama and it failed.


He's now at 39% and I don't see much panicking going on.

More haters and monsters now than in 2012, apparently.

 

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As a liberal, I find this post offensive. Most of it is false accusations. Ironically, the author writes about how he opposes the right because of how much they "hate", but it sounds like he is the one filled with hate and anger. These extreme accusations are the exact problem with today's politics, so the writer is only adding to the problem. Nothing good comes out of viciously attacking someone else's beliefs. The writer doesn't seem to realize that he's doing the exact same thing he claims to oppose. There is a difference between criticizing and attacking, and this is the latter. Instead of attacking, an individual should simply sell their views in an intelligent and effective manner. That's how you make change. Posts like this only make us take a step back.
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Excellent post and I agree with every word 100%. This fellow needs to take a good, long look in the mirror.

I don't like Obama at all, no secret there. I think he's done more harm than good, but this guy comes off like opposition or dissatisfaction with a President makes you a bad person in about 50 different ways and that's horsesh*t.


Exactly. There's no harm in criticism. Attacking solves nothing, but criticism opens discussion. The author of the original post does not seem interested in discussing anything.

 

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It's equally obnoxious that some people don't believe there are people that exist that are like the first post.....

As I have said before, I play Quake 3 online, and there are anti-Obama people that say pretty hateful stuff there.... if you want an example, go to Facebook and type in Uncle Scabie's Miscolored Children Of Quake 3 into the search field and check out that page......

Plus, read the comments on any right wing post (or anti-Obama post) on Facebook - it is frightening....

Obviously the first post was over the top on the hatred ..... but don't act like there aren't people out there that hate everything Obama.......

 

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Agree,we all know people like that walk on both sides,
one can only hope people here are way above that,

 

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Really Pops,,that article is so far off base,just because someone dislikes Obama doesn't even come close to the people he refers to.
come on you can do better
Ive met several of em, are you saying I'm lying?.

 

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never said you lying,but if you feel anyone who disagrees with the current administraton fits into this category,then that itself speaks volumes.
 

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As a liberal, I find this post offensive. Most of it is false accusations. Ironically, the author writes about how he opposes the right because of how much they "hate", but it sounds like he is the one filled with hate and anger. These extreme accusations are the exact problem with today's politics, so the writer is only adding to the problem. Nothing good comes out of viciously attacking someone else's beliefs. The writer doesn't seem to realize that he's doing the exact same thing he claims to oppose. There is a difference between criticizing and attacking, and this is the latter. Instead of attacking, an individual should simply sell their views in an intelligent and effective manner. That's how you make change. Posts like this only make us take a step back.


Excellent post and I agree with every word 100%. This fellow needs to take a good, long look in the mirror.

I don't like Obama at all, no secret there. I think he's done more harm than good, but this guy comes off like opposition or dissatisfaction with a President makes you a bad person in about 50 different ways and that's horsesh*t.




I also agree that this person is having visions of Grandeur, this country has gone no where but down under the Obama years just what has he done for jobs? what has he done for our bridges and interstates? really what has he done except abuse his administrative powers, attack the 2nd amendment and hire people to work for him that are crooks ,people who were responsible for the crash in 2007... I do not care what his color or race is I judge him on deeds done nothing else. I do not hate gays, and i am not against LEGAL immigration no matter what your race ,color ,or religion is. so this person can just Kiss my Red A$$ and save all that venom for someone who deserves it . cause it ain't me babe!

 

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never said you lying,but if you feel anyone who disagrees with the current administraton fits into this category,then that itself speaks volumes.
No where did I say this.

 

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As a liberal, I find this post offensive. Most of it is false accusations. Ironically, the author writes about how he opposes the right because of how much they "hate", but it sounds like he is the one filled with hate and anger. These extreme accusations are the exact problem with today's politics, so the writer is only adding to the problem. Nothing good comes out of viciously attacking someone else's beliefs. The writer doesn't seem to realize that he's doing the exact same thing he claims to oppose. There is a difference between criticizing and attacking, and this is the latter. Instead of attacking, an individual should simply sell their views in an intelligent and effective manner. That's how you make change. Posts like this only make us take a step back.


Excellent post and I agree with every word 100%. This fellow needs to take a good, long look in the mirror.

I don't like Obama at all, no secret there. I think he's done more harm than good, but this guy comes off like opposition or dissatisfaction with a President makes you a bad person in about 50 different ways and that's horsesh*t.




I also agree that this person is having visions of Grandeur, this country has gone no where but down under the Obama years just what has he done for jobs? what has he done for our bridges and interstates? really what has he done except abuse his administrative powers, attack the 2nd amendment and hire people to work for him that are crooks ,people who were responsible for the crash in 2007... I do not care what his color or race is I judge him on deeds done nothing else. I do not hate gays, and i am not against LEGAL immigration no matter what your race ,color ,or religion is. so this person can just Kiss my Red A$$ and save all that venom for someone who deserves it . cause it ain't me babe!
You may want to do some FACT checking.

 

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I looked at Forbes, which is way more Republican than Democratic and their assessment, below, is pretty positive re: Obama.:

Although we hear almost no one in the Obama administration taking credit for record index highs, they should. Because the President deserves attention for how well this economy has done during his leadership.

The auto rescue plan has worked. American car manufacturers are still dominant and employing millions directly and in supplier companies. Wall Street reform has been painful but it has re-instated faith amongst investors. The markets are far more predictable than they were four years ago, as VIX numbers demonstrate greater faith and less risk.

Even for small investors, such as those limited to their 401(k) or IRA investments, the average annual compound return on stocks under President Obama has been more than 24% since the lows of March, 2009. This is a better result than either Clinton, Reagan or FDR who were the prior winners in our book.

 

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I just posted a pro-Obama note that had to do with economics, I guess this string is about a lot more than that. Anyone who had money invested in 2013 did well, so the hate cannot be about money. Sorry if I turned a social issues string towards economics.
 

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It's equally obnoxious that some people don't believe there are people that exist that are like the first post.....

As I have said before, I play Quake 3 online, and there are anti-Obama people that say pretty hateful stuff there.... if you want an example, go to Facebook and type in Uncle Scabie's Miscolored Children Of Quake 3 into the search field and check out that page......

Plus, read the comments on any right wing post (or anti-Obama post) on Facebook - it is frightening....

Obviously the first post was over the top on the hatred ..... but don't act like there aren't people out there that hate everything Obama.......


That's true, Sang. There are definitely people out there like the author describes - I know several that fall into this category, and I feel the same way about these "haters". But the letter morphs from describing those extreme Obama-haters to Republicans in general, and that's where I take issue.

[Edited on 3/17/2014 by BoytonBrother]

 

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I gotta say a lot of that open letter is accurate based on my experience. Every Republican? No. I don't think the letter calls out every Republican. I think the letter is aimed at the right wing hate machine that, in my experience, exists.

My experience also tells me that the economy has improved under Obama. Last year my 401K hit record highs. I have another portfolio, basically money I can afford to gamble, that has also done really well.

Are there enough jobs. No. Infrastructure improvements? Not nearly enough. However, I think Congress has sat on the jobs bill and obstructed programs that, if they were implemented, would reflect well on the Obama administration. Senator McConnell has publicly stated that he would do anything to defeat Obama. I think McConnell, and other members of Congress, are well described by the letter.

 

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The recovery has been excruciatingly slow and tepid at best. A more vibrant recovery and the Dow is at 20,000 now. Perhaps?
 

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It's funny to watch folks defend our awful economy under Obama by using the stock market. What short and selective memories.

In October 2007, when the Dow was over 14,000, Bush was an evil bastard to these same folks and getting no credit for anything positive. Then the mortgage crisis hit and it sealed the deal: Bush was to blame for everything.

Now we have new stock market highs. Never mind that true unemployment is 20% or better. Never mind that a non-stop money printing agenda has funneled more money to make the rich richer than any action in history. Never mind that artificially low interest rates force everyone to risk their money in the market as their only hedge (again, primarily making the rich richer). Never mind that the last crash shattered 401k's for huge numbers of average, middle class earners. Everything's great now, and Obama should get the credit.

I hope the same level of criticism will come to bear should another wipe-out occur during the almost three years left in the current guy's term. There's a long way to go, and this house of cards can't last forever.

 

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I expect the market will correct again. I'm sure that part of the reason my 401K has so much in it now is because of the stocks that were purchased during the dips. As I get closer to tapping my 401K I'll change my allocation so I'm not as at risk.

I wish President Obama would do more for the economy, especially the unemployed. I'm all for another CCC. It seems to me it would rebuild our infrastructure and put millions back to work.

Nothing can be done for the unemployed or the infrastructure without the support of Republicans in Congress. That is where the blame lies.

As far as Obama goes I feel betrayed. Contrary to the claims of socialism I see him as a corporate friendly, empire building, privacy infringing good ol' boy. In my view the ACA doesn't go far enough, but I do consider it a step forward.

As an anti-war progressive I'm used to not being represented in the American political system.

 

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