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  posted on 3/6/2014 at 04:28 PM
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/weather/return-el-nino-could-bring-rain-heat-mi sery-n46291

Return of El Nino Could Bring Rain, Heat, Misery

The infamous El Niño weather pattern, which can trigger droughts and flooding in some regions, could make a comeback this year.

Government forecasters issued an alert Thursday saying there’s a 50 percent chance that warming El Niño conditions will develop during the summer or autumn — potentially bringing rain to drought-stricken California and the South, as well as fewer hurricanes along the East Coast and higher temperatures across the globe.

The last El Niño watch was in 2012, although it fizzled out unexpectedly, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

But when the weather phenomenon struck in 1997-98, it was blamed for all sorts of calamities, from devastating floods in South America to droughts in Southeast Asia.

The El Niño cycle can take up to seven years to develop as weak trade winds allow warmer water from the Pacific to move east as part of a climate event that usually sticks around nine months to a year.

The unusual weather may also exacerbate rising global temperatures and wreak havoc on food supplies, experts say.

“This could be a substantial event and I think we’re due,” Kevin Trenberth, a senior scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, told The Associated Press. “And I think it could have major consequences.”

He warned that if this next El Niño proves to be a strong one, global temperatures could hit record high territory in 2015.

— Erik Ortiz
First published March 6th 2014, 3:20 pm

 
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  posted on 3/6/2014 at 04:52 PM
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  posted on 3/6/2014 at 05:07 PM
i should be ok because.....I live in a Van down by the RIVER
 

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Government forecasters issued an alert Thursday saying there’s a 50 percent chance that warming El Niño conditions will develop during the summer or autumn — potentially bringing rain to drought-stricken California and the South, as well as fewer hurricanes along the East Coast and higher temperatures across the globe.

Oh great, the global warming denials will be out in full force come fall!

 

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as well as fewer hurricanes along the East Coast
This is a hoot. Now that an undeniable trend of reduced hurricane strikes has been established over recent decades - especially recent years - fewer is now the prediction.

It wasn't too long ago that more and bigger was the dire warning from these groups. When the facts started to show exactly the opposite, it was time for the high priests of climate change to issue new papal guidelines.

What a crock! If more develop they'll say "see, we said this would eventually happen!". If less, they'll say "see, we predicted this!". Joining the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster would reveal more truth than these folks ever will.


 

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  posted on 3/7/2014 at 12:19 AM
Says the expert on everything......we bow down to your greatness....

 

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  posted on 3/7/2014 at 08:16 AM
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It wasn't too long ago that more and bigger was the dire warning from these groups.


Who are "these groups"? Meteorologists? Yeah, they are a nefarious sort for sure.

 

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  posted on 3/7/2014 at 04:18 PM
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It wasn't too long ago that more and bigger was the dire warning from these groups.
Who are "these groups"? Meteorologists? Yeah, they are a nefarious sort for sure.
I could easily find many who have predicted more intense hurricane activity due to global warming over the last two decades. It been one of the core anthems of that movement. But then you could also find others who say "nay" on that issue. Which is exactly the point.

Look, I don't deny climate change. It's been changing for billions of years and it's not going to stop just because we silly humans are infesting the the orb for the time being. I don't deny that they are many good and necessary things that should be done in the name of environmentalism.

But when debates are taking place that could affect billions and trillions taken from 'developed' nations to support claims of scientists that are predictive and not reproducible (therefore making them non-scientific until otherwise proven), then count me in the crowd who says "hold on a minute". The science being used to estimate future developments is far from science-fact, and the question of mankind's contribution and/or ability to alter the trajectory are speculations built on theories. Add to that the ease of finding competing or completely opposite predictions about the details, and this is more like visit to the casino than to Mr. Wizard's lab.

I want clean air and water and species preservation as much as the next guy. But when someone proposes driving up energy prices, bankrupting economies, and destroying jobs in order to conform to a consensus speculation where competing opinions can easily be found, I'll take a tactic from our President's career: I'll vote present.

 

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I could easily find many who have predicted more intense hurricane activity due to global warming over the last two decades. It been one of the core anthems of that movement. But then you could also find others who say "nay" on that issue. Which is exactly the point.

Hate to beat a dead horse, but I think there is still some confusion between weather and climate. Forecasting the upcoming hurricane season based on short term/seasonal fluctuations in ocean currents and other factors that impact weather is not the same as predicting changes that will occur over decades due to change in climate. Most of the "reputable" predictions (defined as those that in my opinion only are not made to support a political point of view, your mileage may vary) that I have seen are along the lines of what is at the link below, i.e. measurable impacts are many decades away, as in end of the 21st century...a blink in geological terms but certainly not immediate in human terms.


http://www.gfdl.noaa.gov/global-warming-and-hurricanes


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I want clean air and water and species preservation as much as the next guy. But when someone proposes driving up energy prices, bankrupting economies, and destroying jobs in order to conform to a consensus speculation where competing opinions can easily be found, I'll take a tactic from our President's career: I'll vote present.

Hmmm. So why then when talking about economics, and in particular the national debt, it is all about the burden we are leaving to our grand kids and less about the here and now?





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  posted on 3/8/2014 at 02:13 AM
i was just pointing out a nartural weather phenonomiminim umin
 

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  posted on 3/8/2014 at 10:10 AM
eff this weather

rained all day Friday and washed out my son's baseball tournament

our batting cage in the back yard is also under water so we can't even get in some work

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eff this weather

rained all day Friday and washed out my son's baseball tournament

our batting cage in the back yard is also under water so we can't even get in some work

[Edited on 3/8/2014 by DanB]

I still have a foot and a half of snow in my back yard.

 

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  posted on 3/8/2014 at 06:08 PM
Its very warm here [warmest winter on record] all the tree's have grown in [and the weeds].

 

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  posted on 3/8/2014 at 10:03 PM
The climate has been changing since the beginning of time. Why won't one of these scientists step up with the proof that man's activities are causing it? What are they waiting for?

More grant money?

 

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The climate has been changing since the beginning of time. Why won't one of these scientists step up with the proof that man's activities are causing it? What are they waiting for?

More grant money?
Here ya go numbnuts http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

 

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  posted on 3/9/2014 at 12:32 AM
I read and re-read the original posted article and unless I missed it, I didn't see anything in there about climate change being the cause of the prediction. Personally, I believe man, for whatever reason you choose, is effecting this planet adversely and not only is the climate being impacted but so are a number of other things. Good link pops42.

 

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The climate has been changing since the beginning of time. Why won't one of these scientists step up with the proof that man's activities are causing it? What are they waiting for?

More grant money?
Here ya go numbnuts http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus


The proof is nowhere to be found in that link.

Are we to believe that curtailing certain activities of mankind will prevent the climate from changing?

 

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The real irony of all these climate change/global warming/carbon crisis discussions is that we have already invented the solution. But the politics of fossil fuels, the mis-understood science, and the outright myths paraded as fact by the eco-nazis keep the most logical action from being taken. That would be the adoption of newer, 4th generation fissionable nuclear power plants.

We picked the wrong technology to build our first generation plants around. We chose light water reactors when we should have gone with breeder reactors. The difference is waste. Our style doesn't re-process and re-use the spent fuel, and therefore creates vastly more waste, which we should be concerned about. But breeder reactors re-use the fuel many times over, producing a fraction of the waste.

The French have already gone down this path. 80% of their electricity is produced via nuclear. They have the lowest carbon output of any country in Europe, and the lowest power costs in the EU. They haven't wasted 100's billions on solar, like the Germans and some others, only to find it won't meet the need.

New reactor designs have solved the fears of the past. Waste is only part of it. Every reactor accident that has ever taken place is due to cooling system failures. New designs shut down the reactor and stop the process so that a meltdown is impossible, even in the event of 100% system failure. They can not meltdown like the old designs we run currently.

You'd think it would be time that those who really care about climate and carbon emission would use the science they so loudly tout to realize that science has solved their problem. But no; easier I guess to spout delusional fantasies that the world must conform to their vision by consuming far less, from sources that can not possibly meet the demand, and at costs many times higher that we now spend. That math will never happen unless we eliminate a very large portion of the human population.

This case is very well made on something that aired on CNN last fall: Pandora's Promise.

You can find it on Netflix and iTunes as well. It's far from exciting viewing. But it will shake what most think they know of nuclear power vs other sources.

And because I can't help myself; one last shot. Remember all the hoopla about how our current administration would deal with issues such as this based on good science. It was a way to poke fun as those with religious beliefs that contrast with science. Well, looks like politics (and money) trumps good science. The development of these new, 4th generation nuclear plants has been shut down by the Obama administration. This virtually ensures the continuation of fossil fuel use, as wind and solar have no possible chance of being practical enough or affordable enough to be good substitutes. There's your 'good science' decision: they won't even fund R&D, while at the same time throwing hundreds of billions in the pockets of solar cronies.

 

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as well as fewer hurricanes along the East Coast
This is a hoot. Now that an undeniable trend of reduced hurricane strikes has been established over recent decades - especially recent years - fewer is now the prediction.

It wasn't too long ago that more and bigger was the dire warning from these groups. When the facts started to show exactly the opposite, it was time for the high priests of climate change to issue new papal guidelines.

What a crock! If more develop they'll say "see, we said this would eventually happen!". If less, they'll say "see, we predicted this!". Joining the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster would reveal more truth than these folks ever will.





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  posted on 3/10/2014 at 09:46 AM
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Return of El Nino Could Bring Rain, Heat, Misery
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Oh dear
What's happened to global warming -- is it caused by same/are they 1-in-the-same etc -- could El Nino pack the same punch as its namesake boxing great Nino Benvenuti...
(Not Yawning), will a combo of the two form a 1-2 punch & dump SCADS of snow in & around NE this week -- to make for TOP spring skiing conditions next week

 

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