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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/15/us-autos-vw-election-idUSBREA1D1D P20140215

Loss at Volkswagen plant upends union's plan for U.S. South
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By Bernie Woodall
CHATTANOOGA, Tennessee (Reuters) - In a stinging defeat that could accelerate the decades-long decline of the United Auto Workers, Volkswagen AG workers voted against union representation at a Chattanooga, Tennessee plant, which had been seen as organized labor's best chance to expand in the U.S. South.
The loss, 712 to 626, capped a sprint finish to a long race and was particularly surprising for UAW supporters, because Volkswagen had allowed the union access to the factory and officially stayed neutral on the vote, while other manufacturers have been hostile to organized labor.
UAW spent more than two years organizing and then called a snap election in an agreement with VW. German union IG Metall worked with the UAW to pressure VW to open its doors to organizers, but anti-union forces dropped a bombshell after the first of three days of voting.
Republican U.S. Senator Bob Corker, the former mayor of Chattanooga who helped win the VW plant, said on Wednesday after the first day of voting that VW would expand the factory if the union was rejected.
"Needless to say, I am thrilled," Corker said in a statement after the results were disclosed.
National Right to Work Foundation President Mark Mix hailed the outcome: "If UAW union officials cannot win when the odds are so stacked in their favor, perhaps they should re-evaluate the product they are selling to workers."
An announcement of whether a new seven-passenger crossover vehicle will be produced in Chattanooga or in Mexico could come as early as next week, VW sources told Reuters.
Despite the indignation of pro-union forces, legal experts earlier had said that any challenge of the outcome, based on Corker's comments, would be difficult, given broad free speech protection for U.S. Senators.
The UAW said it would "evaluate" the conduct in the vote, where 89 percent of eligible workers cast ballots.
"We are outraged at the outside interference in this election. It's never happened in this country before that a U.S. senator, a governor, a leader of the house, a leader of the legislature here threatened the company with those incentives, threatened workers with the loss of product," Bob King, the UAW president who has staked his legacy on expanding into the south, said.
UAW membership has plummeted 75 percent since 1979 and now stands at just under 400,000.
The Tennessee decision is likely to reinforce the widely held notion that the UAW cannot make significant inroads in a region that historically has been steadfastly against organized labor and where all foreign-owned vehicle assembly plants employ nonunion workers.
Before the results were announced, King had said in an interview with Reuters that his group and the German union were already at work organizing a Daimler AG factory in Alabama.
"We will continue our efforts at Daimler. It's not new. We're there. We have a campaign. We have a plan. We are also very involved globally with Nissan, so that will continue," he said. He did not mention the other plants when speaking to reporters late in the evening.
Dennis Cuneo, a partner at Fisher & Phillips, a national labor law firm that represents management, said earlier in the day that a loss would be a big setback for the union movement in the South, showing the UAW was unable to convince rank-and-file workers even with management's cooperation.
Such a loss "makes the UAW's quest to organize southern auto plants all the more difficult," he said.
Local anti-union organizers had protested the UAW from the start, reflecting deep concerns among many workers that a union would strain cordial relations with the company, which pays well by local and U.S. auto industry standards.
Mike Burton, one of the anti-union leaders, cheered the results. "Not on our watch," he exulted, adding, as did VW management, that plans to find a way for a workers council to help set rules for the factory would continue.
Many labor experts have said that a workers council, which is used in Germany, would not be possible at a U.S. VW factory without a union.
"We felt like we were already being treated very well by Volkswagen in terms of pay and benefits and bonuses," said Sean Moss, who voted against the UAW. "We also looked at the track record of the UAW. Why buy a ticket on the Titanic?" he added.
Many workers believed that the union had hurt operations at plants run by General Motors Co, Ford Motor Co and Chrysler, now a part of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles, he said
For VW, the stakes also were high. The German automaker invested $1 billion in the Chattanooga plant, which began building Passat mid-size sedans in April 2011, after being awarded more than $577 million in state and local incentives.
VW executives have said the new crossover vehicle, due in 2016 and known internally as CrossBlue, could be built at either the Chattanooga plant or in Mexico, but Tennessee facility was built with the expectation of a second vehicle line.
The vote has received global attention, and even President Barack Obama waded into the discussion early on Friday, accusing Republican politicians of being more concerned about German shareholders than U.S. workers.
The vote must be certified by the National Labor Relations Board.
(Additional reporting by Paul Lienert in Detroit and Andreas Cremer in Berlin; Editing by Matthew Lewis, Ross Colvin and Ken Wills)
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I wish voters could get their say in the continuation of public sector unions. It's long past time to start un-doing that disaster, and remove unions from gov't jobs at all levels. They have run their course in the private sector, now it's time to make the same changes in the public sphere.

 

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The right to work for less. Corporate control of government and labor on every level.

 

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The right to work for less. Corporate control of government and labor on every level.
And union control of gov't is better? Those teacher's unions expect nothing in return from their huge donations?

Ultimately, unions are not a force to stop gov't corruption and corporatism. The more authority gov't is given (or takes for itself) the more opportunities are created to corrupt said authorities. Limited gov't is the only cure for less corruption of gov't.

 

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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 10:01 PM
On the radio, I heard one guy's response as to why he voted NO.

"I want my company to do well and continue to make a profit."

Great answer!

 

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On the radio, I heard one guy's response as to why he voted NO.

"I want my company to do well and continue to make a profit."

Great answer!
Great answer! the guy is a dumb f-in sheep. he sold out his and his fellow workers self interests, because some republican scumbag convinced him that the company will not survive with a union. germany is a union friendly country, and BMW, BENZ, VW have been doing incredibly well. douche bags like bob corker[who I'm sure is getting a huge kickback]have convinced the german shareholders to build plants in the american south, where a fair amount of people are dumb enough to vote with the status quo [republican,anti union] so you WILL be paid less, you WILL have no job security,no paid vacation, and no pension plan [unlike the german workers]and THEY VOTED FOR IT!. congratulations!.

 

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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 06:29 AM
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On the radio, I heard one guy's response as to why he voted NO.

"I want my company to do well and continue to make a profit."

Great answer!


We'll see what he says when all the managers gets 25% raises and bonuses and he gets a 1 or 1.2% raise.


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On the radio, I heard one guy's response as to why he voted NO.

"I want my company to do well and continue to make a profit."

Great answer!
Great answer! the guy is a dumb f-in sheep. he sold out his and his fellow workers self interests, because some republican scumbag convinced him that the company will not survive with a union. germany is a union friendly country, and BMW, BENZ, VW have been doing incredibly well. douche bags like bob corker[who I'm sure is getting a huge kickback]have convinced the german shareholders to build plants in the american south, where a fair amount of people are dumb enough to vote with the status quo [republican,anti union] so you WILL be paid less, you WILL have no job security,no paid vacation, and no pension plan [unlike the german workers]and THEY VOTED FOR IT!. congratulations!.
So let's see, we have the Michigan-based car companies and factories, where unions ruled. Management's concessions drove the companies bankrupt, whole divisions and their related dealer networks closed, massive numbers lost jobs, and to save the remaining viable business units required nearly $100 billion in taxpayer cash. And while not directly related as cause-and-effect, it's worth pointing out that the hometown of these companies (Detroit) is now also America's biggest failure and eyesore, in no small part due to public sector union influence and crony 'progressive' gov't.

Then we have the non-union car producers: Honda, Toyota, BMW, Hyundai/Kia, Subaru, Nissan, Mercedes, and Suzuki. And despite the post immediately above, the workers have benefits, health care, vacations, and comparable salaries to their union counterparts (under new rules, new UAW workers are being hired in at about $16/hr - roughly the same wages as the non-union plants pay).

They are prospering, adding to the tax base in their communities, expanding and adding new jobs, and don't seem to be in need of gov't bailouts any time soon (in Chrysler's case, they needed a taxpayer infusion just to look good enough so that Fiat would take them over for free).

Yeah, those unions have really generated positive outcomes for all...

 

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On the radio, I heard one guy's response as to why he voted NO.

"I want my company to do well and continue to make a profit."

Great answer!
Great answer! the guy is a dumb f-in sheep. he sold out his and his fellow workers self interests, because some republican scumbag convinced him that the company will not survive with a union. germany is a union friendly country, and BMW, BENZ, VW have been doing incredibly well. douche bags like bob corker[who I'm sure is getting a huge kickback]have convinced the german shareholders to build plants in the american south, where a fair amount of people are dumb enough to vote with the status quo [republican,anti union] so you WILL be paid less, you WILL have no job security,no paid vacation, and no pension plan [unlike the german workers]and THEY VOTED FOR IT!. congratulations!.


Right, and he also said that union membership would cost him $3/hr, likely somewhere in the neighborhood of 15%. I'd rather have the 1.5% raise than a 15% pay cut right off the bat. We should all be so dumb...




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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 10:11 AM
i thought it was racism..unbelievable

http://www.independentsentinel.com/shameful-msnbc-blames-failed-uaw-vote-in -tennessee-on-racism/

 

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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 02:25 PM
As I get ready to retire next week as a 36 year management employee, all I can say is thank you to the union workers at my company that fought for the benefits that I also enjoy .....including a great healthcare program, a great pension, 401k matching, vacation & holiday time, annual bonus program, etc.


Sorry, I don't have the hatred toward the workers that made the company what it is....and do most of the heavy lifting and make the personal sacrifices....

While unions may have wielded too much power at times, today is not that time. I can't imagine what working conditions would be like today if we didn't have them......probably more like some of the working conditions in China these days.....


 

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i thought it was racism..unbelievable

http://www.independentsentinel.com/shameful-msnbc-blames-failed-uaw-vote-in -tennessee-on-racism/


except it originated from the right wing anti union forces not msnbc

ref here:
http://workplacechoice.org/2013/06/04/union-invasion-uaw-targets-tennessee/

and pointed out here:
http://www.salon.com/2014/02/11/confederate_sympathizers_and_top_gopers_uni te_in_auto_fight/
and here:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/02/18/on-fox-acknowledging-a-civil-war-co mparison-is/198102


 

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As I get ready to retire next week as a 36 year management employee, all I can say is thank you to the union workers at my company that fought for the benefits that I also enjoy .....including a great healthcare program, a great pension, 401k matching, vacation & holiday time, annual bonus program, etc.


Sorry, I don't have the hatred toward the workers that made the company what it is....and do most of the heavy lifting and make the personal sacrifices....

While unions may have wielded too much power at times, today is not that time. I can't imagine what working conditions would be like today if we didn't have them......probably more like some of the working conditions in China these days.....


Sincere and heartfelt congratulations Sang!

If you get a chance to give a speech I'm sure the rank and file would really love to hear those words.

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On the radio, I heard one guy's response as to why he voted NO.

"I want my company to do well and continue to make a profit."

Great answer!
Great answer! the guy is a dumb f-in sheep. he sold out his and his fellow workers self interests, because some republican scumbag convinced him that the company will not survive with a union. germany is a union friendly country, and BMW, BENZ, VW have been doing incredibly well. douche bags like bob corker[who I'm sure is getting a huge kickback]have convinced the german shareholders to build plants in the american south, where a fair amount of people are dumb enough to vote with the status quo [republican,anti union] so you WILL be paid less, you WILL have no job security,no paid vacation, and no pension plan [unlike the german workers]and THEY VOTED FOR IT!. congratulations!.


Right, and he also said that union membership would cost him $3/hr, likely somewhere in the neighborhood of 15%. I'd rather have the 1.5% raise than a 15% pay cut right off the bat. We should all be so dumb...




[Edited on 2/18/2014 by alloak41]
This is what he was told by anti- union forces and an anti union website paid for by the koch brothers, walton family, and the deVos family. mutton head

 

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On the radio, I heard one guy's response as to why he voted NO.

"I want my company to do well and continue to make a profit."

Great answer!
Great answer! the guy is a dumb f-in sheep. he sold out his and his fellow workers self interests, because some republican scumbag convinced him that the company will not survive with a union. germany is a union friendly country, and BMW, BENZ, VW have been doing incredibly well. douche bags like bob corker[who I'm sure is getting a huge kickback]have convinced the german shareholders to build plants in the american south, where a fair amount of people are dumb enough to vote with the status quo [republican,anti union] so you WILL be paid less, you WILL have no job security,no paid vacation, and no pension plan [unlike the german workers]and THEY VOTED FOR IT!. congratulations!.


Right, and he also said that union membership would cost him $3/hr, likely somewhere in the neighborhood of 15%. I'd rather have the 1.5% raise than a 15% pay cut right off the bat. We should all be so dumb...




[Edited on 2/18/2014 by alloak41]
This is what he was told by anti- union forces and an anti union website paid for by the koch brothers, walton family, and the deVos family. mutton head


How do you know what he was told?

 

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On the radio, I heard one guy's response as to why he voted NO.

"I want my company to do well and continue to make a profit."

Great answer!
Great answer! the guy is a dumb f-in sheep. he sold out his and his fellow workers self interests, because some republican scumbag convinced him that the company will not survive with a union. germany is a union friendly country, and BMW, BENZ, VW have been doing incredibly well. douche bags like bob corker[who I'm sure is getting a huge kickback]have convinced the german shareholders to build plants in the american south, where a fair amount of people are dumb enough to vote with the status quo [republican,anti union] so you WILL be paid less, you WILL have no job security,no paid vacation, and no pension plan [unlike the german workers]and THEY VOTED FOR IT!. congratulations!.


Right, and he also said that union membership would cost him $3/hr, likely somewhere in the neighborhood of 15%. I'd rather have the 1.5% raise than a 15% pay cut right off the bat. We should all be so dumb...




[Edited on 2/18/2014 by alloak41]
This is what he was told by anti- union forces and an anti union website paid for by the koch brothers, walton family, and the deVos family. mutton head


How do you know what he was told?
I read about what actually went down there.

 

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I just read Joe the Plumber just took a union job at Chrysler.

 

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Ok I do have a bit of cold medicine so maybe I am missing something, do American corporations provide sick pay, medical benefits, time off (paid or unpaid) without losing your job and safe working conditions because they are nice people? They really care about us? Didn't the UAW previously provide lifetime medical coverage and a pension for people and take care of those injured on the assembly before being undermined by non union car sales such as Honda? Now when the labor force is injured or old the tax payers take care of them. I thank those who give part of their salary to protect my safety and luxurious perks of working in a small dental office. 1.5% now to succumb to the corporations in the 3rd world country the USA will become later. But rest assured the auto workers will be happy to make a huge profit instead of a great profit.
 

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****auto makers not workers**** thought I sounded good for minute =:/ ugh!
 

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As I get ready to retire next week as a 36 year management employee, all I can say is thank you to the union workers at my company that fought for the benefits that I also enjoy .....including a great healthcare program, a great pension, 401k matching, vacation & holiday time, annual bonus program, etc.


Sorry, I don't have the hatred toward the workers that made the company what it is....and do most of the heavy lifting and make the personal sacrifices....

While unions may have wielded too much power at times, today is not that time. I can't imagine what working conditions would be like today if we didn't have them......probably more like some of the working conditions in China these days.....





Sang, congratulations on your upcoming retirement. You sound like you would have been great to work for . I retired a few years ago and have enjoyed every minute of it and it would not have been possible had I not been a union employee for almost 40 yrs. It never ceases to amaze me that people continue to vote against their best interests . So very short sighted . Again congrats !

 

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It never ceases to amaze me that people continue to vote against their best interests . So very short sighted .
Lol - apparently the VW workers did vote in their interests. Anyone rationally observing the job security of UAW vs non-UAW plants over the last few years would have to conclude it's safer to be non-union.

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Sure Fuji .... keep laughing.....

Here is what I find to be the key point from the article above....

"For VW, the stakes also were high. The German automaker invested $1 billion in the Chattanooga plant, which began building Passat mid-size sedans in April 2011, after being awarded more than $577 million in state and local incentives.
VW executives have said the new crossover vehicle, due in 2016 and known internally as CrossBlue, could be built at either the Chattanooga plant or in Mexico, but Tennessee facility was built with the expectation of a second vehicle line."


So it's good to see that VW got $577 million in incentives, but boo-hoo for their workers. It is just hilarious how pro-big business and anti-worker you are......haha


How safe are these non-union jobs when the automakers will jump to the next big incentive? Will you be laughing when they build the new car in Mexico anyway?

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 02:48 PM
There is a Nissan plant in Smyrna, TN that has thrived for thirty years without the UAW, despite repeated attempts at organization - accompanied with the usual doom and fear tactics used by the UAW. It has long been considered one of the premier places to work in Middle Tennessee and they have no trouble recruiting and retaining employees, which number over 6,000.

Face it, the UAW has nearly destroyed the Big 3, and not all people are so easily misled by the tactics and rhetoric.

 

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How safe are these non-union jobs when the automakers will jump to the next big incentive? Will you be laughing when they build the new car in Mexico anyway?

Incredible.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/06/26/us-mexico-general-motors-idUSBRE9 5P1FZ20130626

 

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Sure Fuji .... keep laughing.....

Here is what I find to be the key point from the article above....

"For VW, the stakes also were high. The German automaker invested $1 billion in the Chattanooga plant, which began building Passat mid-size sedans in April 2011, after being awarded more than $577 million in state and local incentives.
VW executives have said the new crossover vehicle, due in 2016 and known internally as CrossBlue, could be built at either the Chattanooga plant or in Mexico, but Tennessee facility was built with the expectation of a second vehicle line."

So it's good to see that VW got $577 million in incentives, but boo-hoo for their workers. It is just hilarious how pro-big business and anti-worker you are......haha

How safe are these non-union jobs when the automakers will jump to the next big incentive? Will you be laughing when they build the new car in Mexico anyway?

Incredible.
Yes, incredible. Incredible that you can't see any possibility to be anti-union and pro worker at the same time.

I want to see workers get paid well and have plenty of opportunities. Labor is a supply and demand situation, no matter how much some would think it could be otherwise. Healthy business requires good workers. The healthier the business climate, the more competition exists for quality workers, the more their value rises. This is the organic and sustainable way that workers get more, as opposed to strikes or political promises. We've seen how well those work in Detroit.

I oppose all giveaways to lure businesses, hence my support for the elimination of income-based taxation, which would mean zero income taxes on all business. This would establish us as one of the best business environments in the world, and along with conversion to consumption-based taxation, would spur investment in productive enterprise without incentives like corporate welfare.

Frankly I don't really care if there are unions in the private sector or not. The business has a responsibility to negotiate with its fiscal future in mind, and it's up to them to do it wisely or not. The public sector is another story entirely, where unions should be banned by law.



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