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  posted on 1/29/2014 at 09:35 AM
With the seemingly renewed interest in the output of archival ABB material (B&S box, Play All Night and Fillmore East box set rumors), what does the ABB fanbase think about a 2015 reissue of the first 2 albums w/ outtakes, jams and live material? Something in a similar format to the Brothers & Sisters reissue, and coincides with the 45th anniversary of Idlewild South? Maybe one disc with the 2 albums together and remastered, a disc of outtakes/jams/demos, followed by 1 or 2 live discs from 1969-70?
 
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  posted on 1/29/2014 at 12:55 PM
So, the board has zero thoughts.
 

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  posted on 1/29/2014 at 01:21 PM
My thoughts are this:
The Allmans, until recently, have been one of the stingiest bands of all time as far as outtakes, demos, etc go, and I think now's the time to reverse that.

Hence, I am ALL for it!

 

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  posted on 1/29/2014 at 01:24 PM
If it would be like the B&S 4CD Deluxe release from last year i would surely pick it up. Especially if the live recordings on disc 3 and 4 would be previously unreleased / untraded or of significant better sound quality as the recordings already in circulation.

Actually come to think of it: archive releases like that would make sense. Less revenue due to less touring. So maybe they look for other ways to compensate less income and make re-releases and archive / vault releases a priority. A 4CD ABB / Idlewild South set, an ABB At Atlanta Pop Festival DVD with bonus Duane-era footage from the Fillmore and some archive releases from the Enlighted Rogues Tour + Jack Pearson era + Jimmy Herring era
would get me through 2015 !!!

 

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  posted on 1/29/2014 at 03:17 PM
Be great but I think they are sitting on so much great music from 45 years and nothing is released tells the tale. Ain't holding my breath. Sad they can't even keep what they have out there in print.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2014 at 05:03 PM
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Be great but I think they are sitting on so much great music from 45 years and nothing is released tells the tale. Ain't holding my breath. Sad they can't even keep what they have out there in print.


Very true. But I'm hoping to see that trend reversed with the B&S box and the upcoming '92 releases. This, combined with the rumors of a Fillmore box set, to me, says someone in the ABB organization has recently taken some ownership on the complicated project that is the ABB archives.

Does anyone know how the B&S reissue has sold and how those sales have stacked up to initial expectations. This could effect if/how future reissues are handled.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 11:44 AM
Are they really sitting on a lot of outtakes and unreleased tunes, though? I seriously doubt that there's very much in the vault.
 
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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 12:33 PM
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Are they really sitting on a lot of outtakes and unreleased tunes, though? I seriously doubt that there's very much in the vault.

I don't think so, but that's only my guess. The Dreams box and the Duane Allman anthologies and Skydog covered some of that ground, too. If the band has control of this stuff and there are enough good demos or a live show with really good sound quality I'm sure people here would be interested, but I don't know if any of that is the case.

 

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Are they really sitting on a lot of outtakes and unreleased tunes, though? I seriously doubt that there's very much in the vault.

I don't think so, but that's only my guess. The Dreams box and the Duane Allman anthologies and Skydog covered some of that ground, too. If the band has control of this stuff and there are enough good demos or a live show with really good sound quality I'm sure people here would be interested, but I don't know if any of that is the case.


I would like to think that between the first 2 albums, there would be enough outtakes/alts/jams to fill up one disc.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 03:07 PM
I'd be interested in this if there were enough material to make it worthwhile, and I guess there are probably alternate versions of all of these songs. Would outtakes of all those songs make an interesting album? I'm not sure how much undiscovered stuff there would be. They were a young band and they weren't making any money, so they probably didn't spend any more time in the studio than they had to. I don't think they wrote much in the studio because they were already playing most of these songs live before they recorded them, so there might not be a ton of experimental jams.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 03:15 PM
Imho, this is a pipe dream. It will require dedication, time obligation and effort from the ABB camp.

Forget about it.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 03:18 PM
Someone else could do the actual work with the ABB's permission (assuming they own this stuff). But there's no reason to expect it, no.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 03:29 PM
That's with the assumption that the ABB actually owns their masters. I'm guessing they don't, but I'm also guessing there aren't too many outtakes from that time period.

If something like this would be released it would be based on if there are outtakes/live takes available and the label thinking money could be made from such a release.

The ABB's actual effort would be very minimal unless they actually own their own publishing/master tapes.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 03:42 PM
The bootleg, One More Ride, has a few outtakes from Idlewild South,

One More Ride
Statesboro Blues
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Midnight Rider
Hoochie Coochie Man
One More Ride

with a few other that were done later like Little Martha, portion of the Gatlinburg tape and parts of Berry's Tune.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 03:48 PM
I don't think there would be alot of studio material their sitting on, but they have to be sitting on years of good quality shows from over 45 years.

Like the Dead put out some of the best ten shows from a decade. I agree i don't think it will happen because i think there is zero interest to do it from their orgianization.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 07:21 PM
You guys are telling me that outtakes, jams, etc, from the FIRST TWO albums couldn't amount to at least 60 minutes of quality music? Of course they were a young band. I'm not trying to insinuate that there are hours upon hours of extra material. Just 30 minutes from each album. I would just like to think that there's enough to create another reissue in the vein of Brothers & Sisters...
 

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I'm a long time ABB fan. The ABB camp is not known to release early material that often, much to the dismay of the fans. The problem is that they constantly release recent live shows to the point where, forgive my cynicism - a dime a dozen. I even purchased the last two Beacon shows 10/27/14 and 10/28/14 in hopes that they will be collector material in years to come. Truth be told, I treasure the Fillmore East, Brothers and Sisters and Skydog boxed sets more than the recent "dime a dozen" shows. Forty five years is a lifetime - and more. I agree that the ABB should focus on earlier releases, if not for the revenue, but for the fans. The Skydog boxed set featured a few tracks from the Escorts days. I happen to know that there are at least 50 or more tracks that have been recorded by Lee Hazen (I think). These tracks, I hope, will be released soon. The Allman Joys record distributed by Dial Records should be remastered and released with all Allman Joys tracks. I was fortunate to have purchased the Hourglass and Power of Love reissues with bonus tracks back in the early '90's. If I'm not mistken, they are considered collectors items now. Several years ago Gregg Allman released an anthology called One More Try - that one, I think is considered a collectors item. The first two ABB albums definitely needs to be reissued, featuring bonus tracks. Sorry I'm rambling on. Just want to get in my two cents worth.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2014 at 05:33 PM
Good post Fred, that wasn't rambling at all -- of course they packaged the first 2 albums together as Beginnings -- outtakes such as St. Blues, Let Me Ride (both versions, with vocals & drums solo, & w/out), the Dreams demo etc have seen the light of day, whether through rereleases, box sets, among collectors etc --

not sure how much interest there might b in the raw pre-ABB stuff, but look at how well the Skydog box set you mention sold too -- all the best, & happy new year to all


Beginnings is on 1 CD -- maybe it could be remastered-&-rereleased along with a 2nd disc of those outtakes or other stuff from that period (cleaned up/1st-gen version of Berry's Jam 4 example ?) -- but something, perhaps, along the line of the B&S CD rerelease, which included a bonus CD of 6/27/71 (minus Bill GRaham's intro tho)


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  posted on 12/30/2014 at 11:48 PM
at one point there was to be a live 69-79 box set.
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  posted on 12/31/2014 at 02:48 AM
My guess is that since the band was new to recording at that time, there isn't very much in the can.
 

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  posted on 12/31/2014 at 04:40 AM
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Beginnings is on 1 CD -- maybe it could be remastered-&-rereleased along with a 2nd disc of those outtakes or other stuff from that period


My thoughts exactly Stephen ... I have a disc of out-takes from that era which would fit the bill ... as follows:

THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND Ė DEMOíS & OUT-TAKES
RECORDED 1969 Ė 1971 (Running Time 60:22)

01. DONíT WANT YOU NO MORE 2:15
02. ITíS NOT MY CROSS TO BEAR 4:02
03. TROUBLE NO MORE 3:40
04. DREAMS 4:58
05. ONE MORE RIDE (instrumental version) 3:55
06. STATESBORO BLUES 4:08
07. REVIVAL 4:12
08. DONíT KEEP ME WONDERINí 3:33
09. MIDNIGHT RIDER 3:50
10. IN MEMORY OF ELIZABETH REED 6:48
11. HOOCHIE COOCHIE MAN 4:57
12. LEAVE MY BLUES AT HOME 4:24
13. ONE MORE RIDE (with vocals) 7:29
14. LITTLE MARTHA (with bass) 2:11

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something, perhaps, along the line of the B&S CD rerelease, which included a bonus CD of 6/27/71 (minus Bill GRaham's intro tho)


The B&S bonus live discs were the Winterland concert ... the 6/27/71 was the bonus disc with the EAP delux remaster ... however, I agree with your sentiments ... what would be really good would be if Johnny Sandlin could be persuaded to transfer the rest of the 1970 recording from the Georgian Terrace Hotel Ballroom - Atlanta - and release that as a 2CD live set ... that is the one that Skip released part of as "Peach Cobbler 6" ... being just the Mountain Jam and DWYNM/NMCTB encore ... they were on fire that night and the quality of Skips work on that was excellent ...

A boy can dream can't he ?????







[Edited on 12/31/2014 by harvey]

 

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With the seemingly renewed interest in the output of archival ABB material (B&S box, Play All Night and Fillmore East box set rumors), what does the ABB fanbase think about a 2015 reissue of the first 2 albums w/ outtakes, jams and live material? Something in a similar format to the Brothers & Sisters reissue, and coincides with the 45th anniversary of Idlewild South? Maybe one disc with the 2 albums together and remastered, a disc of outtakes/jams/demos, followed by 1 or 2 live discs from 1969-70?


I'd be in, especially for Idlewild South outtakes. That was my very first ABB album and obviously, it made a big impression...

 

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The bootleg, One More Ride, has a few outtakes from Idlewild South,

One More Ride
Statesboro Blues
In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
Midnight Rider
Hoochie Coochie Man
One More Ride

with a few other that were done later like Little Martha, portion of the Gatlinburg tape and parts of Berry's Tune.




Hmmmm....

 

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Beginnings is on 1 CD -- maybe it could be remastered-&-rereleased along with a 2nd disc of those outtakes or other stuff from that period


My thoughts exactly Stephen ... I have a disc of out-takes from that era which would fit the bill ... as follows:

THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND Ė DEMOíS & OUT-TAKES
RECORDED 1969 Ė 1971 (Running Time 60:22)

01. DONíT WANT YOU NO MORE 2:15
02. ITíS NOT MY CROSS TO BEAR 4:02
03. TROUBLE NO MORE 3:40
04. DREAMS 4:58
05. ONE MORE RIDE (instrumental version) 3:55
06. STATESBORO BLUES 4:08
07. REVIVAL 4:12
08. DONíT KEEP ME WONDERINí 3:33
09. MIDNIGHT RIDER 3:50
10. IN MEMORY OF ELIZABETH REED 6:48
11. HOOCHIE COOCHIE MAN 4:57
12. LEAVE MY BLUES AT HOME 4:24
13. ONE MORE RIDE (with vocals) 7:29
14. LITTLE MARTHA (with bass) 2:11

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something, perhaps, along the line of the B&S CD rerelease, which included a bonus CD of 6/27/71 (minus Bill GRaham's intro tho)


The B&S bonus live discs were the Winterland concert ... the 6/27/71 was the bonus disc with the EAP delux remaster ... however, I agree with your sentiments ... what would be really good would be if Johnny Sandlin could be persuaded to transfer the rest of the 1970 recording from the Georgian Terrace Hotel Ballroom - Atlanta - and release that as a 2CD live set ... that is the one that Skip released part of as "Peach Cobbler 6" ... being just the Mountain Jam and DWYNM/NMCTB encore ... they were on fire that night and the quality of Skips work on that was excellent ...

A boy can dream can't he ?????



[Edited on 12/31/2014 by harvey]


With the record industry's recent trend of releasing multi album releases in one set, I'd think Beginnings would be a natural. Throw in a 2nd disc of outtakes and live tracks and I think they might sell a few ...

 

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  posted on 12/31/2014 at 10:54 AM
Some years back reading one of the countless ABB articles concerning commercial CD releases, one statement came to mind. It's not verbatim, but it goes something like this: "If you are picking up this album because the artist's name begins with an A and ends with a N and hoping that it will rival the blues guitar heights, you are wrong. The songs on this album are NOT good. I (the writer) don't mean that the songs are terrible, they can be pleasant to listen to - in a vacuum." The writer was referring to the Hourglass albums. During that time, these albums were very hard to get and even another article states that some record stores are selling those albums (as curiosity items). I happen to know that the first two albums sold like hotcakes during the Brothers And Sisters era. I missed out on that one - it wasn't until the early '90's when those two albums, remastered in all its glory on CD - plus bonus tracks was when I immediately snatched them up. These CDs are not available now; however, it is being sold as a compilation CD featuring both albums, minus bonus tracks. A separate CD called Southboiund (I think) only featured alternate and outtake tracks from both albums. Now, if the public is willing to buy ANY early related Allman CD, packaged with liner notes and extras, I'm 99% certain that it will sell just fine. I think the recording industry feels that every time they release a CD, it would be a gamble. It's all about economy. I just don't see that happening with early Allman related music.
On the other side of the page, it could be that the Allman camp thinks it is best to keep releases under wraps - to make sure that the packaged CD(s) are fine tuned to meet the consumers' tastes. In other words, the Allman camp may release those CDs in their own good time.
I' being anylytical and again, I'm rambling on. I'll stick with whatever is on boith sides of the coin. THAT is the thrill of collecting.

 

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