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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 09:26 AM
Been on this board for many years and I do not recall the as much lack of interest of the Mule at the Beacon. Usually there would have been a dozen posts and several versions of this show posted on Etree. But there is nothing.

Anyway the show for me was highlighted by a version of You Keep Me Hanging On with Carmine Appice on drums. They also did a cool version of Rambling Gambling Man with the guitarist from Vintage Trouble. More later.

 
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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 09:49 AM
It is because there are only a dozen of us left. Shame that a once thriving community that even had annual awards show for the forum, now has a handful of posts per day.

Some gradually left over the years and then the mass exodus all because of a couple of trolls. It is like being run off your land by homeless people. People just abandoned it. Some went over to FB which makes it worse. Abandon what some created here to help billionaires get richer.

The other day a thread stayed o top of the forum for 12 hours and no one even posted. There was a time that would have been on page 3 by that point.

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 10:29 AM
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It is because there are only a dozen of us left. Shame that a once thriving community that even had annual awards show for the forum, now has a handful of posts per day.

Some gradually left over the years and then the mass exodus all because of a couple of trolls. It is like being run off your land by homeless people. People just abandoned it. Some went over to FB which makes it worse. Abandon what some created here to help billionaires get richer.

The other day a thread stayed o top of the forum for 12 hours and no one even posted. There was a time that would have been on page 3 by that point.

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Agree 100%.

It really is a shame...there is still alot of great info on music to be found here,and I enjoy this site whether or not its popular.But,I do miss some of the regulars who were here and I refuse to join FB.

I would love to hear more about the 12/30 show!

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 10:31 AM
I do know that I catch far fewer shows than I did 5 or 10 years ago, so I post less. Still, I would like to read about the show. The big news in CT has been about Prince's recent shows here.
 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 10:43 AM
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I do know that I catch far fewer shows than I did 5 or 10 years ago, so I post less. Still, I would like to read about the show. The big news in CT has been about Prince's recent shows here.


This is a good topic for the 3 orig guys to read though they prob don't care anymore. My wife and I along with many friends used to hit 4-5 Beacon shows a run at about $60/ticket and often pulled great 1st 10 row seats, we would then hit 2 summer shows.

Now with crap seats starting close to $130, we go to 1 maybe 2 Beacon shows and maybe 1 summer show (though I have to admit, the Hartford show with Winwood we caught last September was excellent!). My point is my enthusiasm for the band and this always awesome website has waned in direct correlation to now inaccessible the band has made themselves to the hardcore fans who carried them through all the years, good and bad. I've made similar posts to this before but I really believe that's the issue. The website is only as engaged as the people who use it and if I'm not engaged often by the band, ce la vie.

We often go see Mule, RRE, Moe., Tuna and other bands who allow us a night out for under $500. Tonight, we will see Mule with Robby Krieger. I pulled 10th row center aisle 7 days ago for under $100/ticket. The show will go from 9:30pm to around 1:45am (if we last that long LOL). That's a pretty sweet deal.

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 10:50 AM
I don't get to see Mule too often so any review, set list or video is most welcome.
As far as I'm concerned their the best damn band out there right now

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 11:10 AM
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I do know that I catch far fewer shows than I did 5 or 10 years ago, so I post less. Still, I would like to read about the show. The big news in CT has been about Prince's recent shows here.


This is a good topic for the 3 orig guys to read though they prob don't care anymore. My wife and I along with many friends used to hit 4-5 Beacon shows a run at about $60/ticket and often pulled great 1st 10 row seats, we would then hit 2 summer shows.

Now with crap seats starting close to $130, we go to 1 maybe 2 Beacon shows and maybe 1 summer show (though I have to admit, the Hartford show with Winwood we caught last September was excellent!). My point is my enthusiasm for the band and this always awesome website has waned in direct correlation to now inaccessible the band has made themselves to the hardcore fans who carried them through all the years, good and bad. I've made similar posts to this before but I really believe that's the issue. The website is only as engaged as the people who use it and if I'm not engaged often by the band, ce la vie.

We often go see Mule, RRE, Moe., Tuna and other bands who allow us a night out for under $500. Tonight, we will see Mule with Robby Krieger. I pulled 10th row center aisle 7 days ago for under $100/ticket. The show will go from 9:30pm to around 1:45am (if we last that long LOL). That's a pretty sweet deal.


Xmas Jam 2013 was the best music bang for the buck I've had in a long time. Less than $150 for two nights of 9 hours of music each night, except for set changes, was quite a deal. $6 beer wasn't so bad either considering most venues charge $8 - $10

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 12:13 PM
Huge Mule fan here
Went last night, just not very impressed with the setlist
I have seen them about 10 times now and by far the Worst of the shows was last night for me
I also have never seen the Upper Balcony so damn Empty for Mule
The tickets were only $ 50 and almost all the seats up top were not sold
I will be back next year yet again, I just hope I like the song choice a bit more

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 12:39 PM
I am off to the Mule tonight - I think my 10th Mule Year's Eve at the Beacon and I am personally very excited to get going tonight. This board has seen a drop in traffic and updates for sure. Maybe it is the pricing or also part of the general aging of the fanbase. I am waiting for the On Sale Flag to wave for Beacon 2014 and plan on hitting my usual 3 shows per run. I will post comments on tpnights show tomorrow. Happy New Years!

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 01:22 PM
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Huge Mule fan here
Went last night, just not very impressed with the setlist
I have seen them about 10 times now and by far the Worst of the shows was last night for me
I also have never seen the Upper Balcony so damn Empty for Mule
The tickets were only $ 50 and almost all the seats up top were not sold
I will be back next year yet again, I just hope I like the song choice a bit more


Shows how any show is completely subjective. A friend, hardcore Mule fan, went to last night's show. Said they played for 4 hours and was the best Mule show he's ever seen by far. Should be fun tonight.

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 01:24 PM
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It is because there are only a dozen of us left. Shame that a once thriving community that even had annual awards show for the forum, now has a handful of posts per day.

Some gradually left over the years and then the mass exodus all because of a couple of trolls. It is like being run off your land by homeless people. People just abandoned it. Some went over to FB which makes it worse. Abandon what some created here to help billionaires get richer.

The other day a thread stayed o top of the forum for 12 hours and no one even posted. There was a time that would have been on page 3 by that point.

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Unfortunally o so true. Although trolls and FB (and other anti-social networks) are the main reason i also think the ABB and their management are a bit to blame. For them this community is almost non-existant and if this downhill slide continues it probably one day will be exactly that. Plenty of cool initiatives could be launched by the band and their management to revamp activity on this website. Ticket raffles, auctions, lotteries with ABB content, Q&A's with band members, Music quizzes, fan requests regarding setlists, ABB photo contests etc. etc.

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 01:27 PM
WAS THERE ALSO LAST NIGHT .JORGEN DIDN'T SEEM TO HAVE THE THE THUNDER IN THE FIRST SET.DONE GOT WISE FROM SHOUT OPENED THE SHOW I DON'T LIKE THAT SONG AT ALL.HIGHLIGHT FOR ME WAS THE 3 SONGS THEY PLAYED FROM LIKE BEFORE INSANITY THAT ALBUM IS BURNED IN MY BRAIN LOVE IT.1ST SET 1.5 HOURS B+.NOW THE SECOND SET THE THUNDER WAS BACK.STEELY DAN COVER WAS GOOD THAN JIMMY VIVINO COMES OUT I WAS HOPING FOR THAT .HE HAS BEEN SPECIAL GUEST FOR MANY YEARS NOW AND HE IS ALWAYS GREAT AS HE WAS LAST NIGHT.THAN CARMINE APPICE COMES OUT TO SAT IN ON DRUMS.WOW YOU KEEP ME HANGING ON WAS AMAZING TALK ABOUT THUNDER WELL HE BROUGHT IT.REST OF SECOND SET 1.25 HOURS A.ENCORE WITH ROBBY KRIEGER 3 SONGS ABOUT 20 MINUTES.WAS NEVER A BIG DOORS FAN BUT WARREN SINGS JUST LIKE JIM.I'VE SEEN THE MULE MANY TIMES AND HAVE NEVER WALKED AWAY DISAPOINTED.I SAT IN THE LOWER BALCONY AND YES THE UPPER WAS VERY EMPTY.MOSTLY ALL MIDDLE AGED FOLKS AT THE SHOW.WHILE I'VE SEEN YOUNGER FANS AT MULE SHOWS BEFORE THAT WASN'T THE CASE LAST NIGHT THEY MUST HAVE ALL BEEN AT MSG TO SEE PHISH.THE SHOW ENDED AT 10 MINUTES AFTER 1 OVER 3 HOURS OFF WARREN AND COMPANY IT DOESN'T GET ANY BETTER THAN THAT FOR THIS MULE FAN MULE ON HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL BE SAFE
 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 01:48 PM
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It is because there are only a dozen of us left. Shame that a once thriving community that even had annual awards show for the forum, now has a handful of posts per day.

Some gradually left over the years and then the mass exodus all because of a couple of trolls. It is like being run off your land by homeless people. People just abandoned it. Some went over to FB which makes it worse. Abandon what some created here to help billionaires get richer.

The other day a thread stayed o top of the forum for 12 hours and no one even posted. There was a time that would have been on page 3 by that point.

Shame


I agree with that you are saying, James. I've been on here since 2002 and my attitude has been, "why let a few jerks push me out the door?" There are still some good people posting here regularly, people I enjoy interacting with (you, Sir, are one). If we run out the door because of a few trolls, well, then the trolls win. Someone posted recently on Facebook, and I paraphrase from memory, "Inflammatory remarks are the Karma of the source. Your reaction to it is your Karma."
I'll go with that. Don't let the losers win. In other words, sweep their sh*t under the rug and carry on. Why let a few jerks ruin our good time?

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 02:15 PM
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Huge Mule fan here
Went last night, just not very impressed with the setlist
I have seen them about 10 times now and by far the Worst of the shows was last night for me
I also have never seen the Upper Balcony so damn Empty for Mule
The tickets were only $ 50 and almost all the seats up top were not sold
I will be back next year yet again, I just hope I like the song choice a bit more


Shows how any show is completely subjective. A friend, hardcore Mule fan, went to last night's show. Said they played for 4 hours and was the best Mule show he's ever seen by far. Should be fun tonight.

It is Subjective , that is why I said " I"
Add that to the fact I think the Doors Suck
And there you have it.

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 02:16 PM
Was at the Mule show last nite and it was great! Every song in the second set was like a encore. They played to after 1am, glad i have no work today. If you get the chance see a Govt Mule show.
 

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Huge Mule fan here
Went last night, just not very impressed with the setlist
I have seen them about 10 times now and by far the Worst of the shows was last night for me
I also have never seen the Upper Balcony so damn Empty for Mule
The tickets were only $ 50 and almost all the seats up top were not sold
I will be back next year yet again, I just hope I like the song choice a bit more


Shows how any show is completely subjective. A friend, hardcore Mule fan, went to last night's show. Said they played for 4 hours and was the best Mule show he's ever seen by far. Should be fun tonight.

It is Subjective , that is why I said " I"
Add that to the fact I think the Doors Suck
And there you have it.


Ouch. I guess we do indeed "have it". My post didn't mean to infer that your experience was right or wrong just different than a friend of mine's but evidently it came out critical.

 

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Huge Mule fan here
Went last night, just not very impressed with the setlist
I have seen them about 10 times now and by far the Worst of the shows was last night for me
I also have never seen the Upper Balcony so damn Empty for Mule
The tickets were only $ 50 and almost all the seats up top were not sold
I will be back next year yet again, I just hope I like the song choice a bit more


Shows how any show is completely subjective. A friend, hardcore Mule fan, went to last night's show. Said they played for 4 hours and was the best Mule show he's ever seen by far. Should be fun tonight.

It is Subjective , that is why I said " I"
Add that to the fact I think the Doors Suck
And there you have it.


Ouch. I guess we do indeed "have it". My post didn't mean to infer that your experience was right or wrong just different than a friend of mine's but evidently it came out critical.

No worries , enjoy tonight

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 03:43 PM
It seems to me that Gov't Mule has a lot of the same fan base as Phish. New York is a big city but I'm sure the conflicting shows hurt Mule's ticket sales more than Phish's ticket sales.

That said, tickets are usually easy to come by for shows I want to see in the DC/Richmond/Charlottesville areas. TTB is sold out at the Warner. They earned the sell out. Their last performance in Richmond, a venue similar to the Warner, was great. I'm glad I bought tickets early for the upcoming Warner show.

Other shows, like Brian Wilson/Jeff Beck, don't sell out and often have great seats become available the week of the show. I was able to snag 9th row aisle for Steely Dan two nights before the show.

There were very few sell outs at Wolftrap last Summer. Keisha (?) sold out. I don't know her canon of works but I think she appeals to a different demographic.

I'm going to as many or more shows than ever. Most are at smaller venues like the Birchmere in Alexandria. The musicians I like are seeing their stars waning. I like that I'm seeing more shows in intimate settings with more grown up crowds.

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 04:05 PM
Sorry to admit but Mule has gone downhill for me. The last couple of releases didn't do much for me.

I bought tickets to their upcoming show in Durham but am already thinking about selling them.

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 04:09 PM
I'm mostly a reader on this forum . My wife and I have attended a bunch of "the night before New Years " shows at the Beacon until a few years back they were pushing the new album and played almost only new stuff . Sucked for my wife ,who comes because she knows how much I enjoy a Mule concert . She knows plenty of their songs , but that was the last time we've gone .
That being said , I love 99% of the covers that Warren chooses to play , but I find he doesn't really do the Doors music the justice it deserves . I just don't think his voice is right for it .
I seriously considered getting tix for tonight , but after hearing the shows from CA with Robbie I decided to pass .
I've kinda fallen out of love with the Mule right now and definitely with the ABB . I haven't bothered with a Beacon ABB show in a long time .
just my 2cents .

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 04:46 PM
Some interesting thoughts on the subject sol let me chime in with my two cents. I think the ability of the Mule to be able to sell tickets and what is going on with this board is both related and unrelated. I think the lack of interest of people posting has to do with the aging of the folks here and there is less interests in the bands. Just an opinion. I can't attest to the trolls and stuff like that as I have barely noticed it.

I go to 40-50 concerts a year with 90% of them in clubs. My tastes are pretty eclectic as is evidenced by the shows I am attending during the next month-Neil Young at Carnegie Hall, Grand Old Opry at the Ryman, Against Me at the Mercy Lounge, Dictators NYC at the Bowery Electric, Light of Day benefit at the Cutting Room, Neutral Milk Hotel at BAM and probably the Detroit Cobras at the Bell House later the same night as Neutral Milk Hotel. I have been incredibly fortunate in that I am retiring in September at 55 as an educator and administrator for the New York School System so I have disposable income to throw around. Music is one of the centerpieces of my life and I will not hesitate to to fly to places to visit and see shows.

But there is only so much money to go around. At this point, I avoid arena shows unless I have great tickets. I saw Pearl Jam at the Barclays Center recently and the experience was spoiled by having crappy seats and a bad sound system. Nothing else that I prefer than standing right next to a stage and listening and seeing artists that I care about.

I saw my first Allman Brothers show at the Capitol in 1978 and my first Mule show at CBGB in 1995. Been following both of them regularly since and have gone to shows in all of their NYC stands since. Usually never more than one show per stand. One of the best shows I ever saw out of well over 1000 in my lifetime was the Eric Clapton appearance on March 20, 2009.

Enough about me-my point is that I realize I am the last of a dying breed. A part of a generation who can retire comfortably. People are struggling and the prices at shows are reflecting this. Last night was the first time, I can remember a Mule show being as empty as it was. We were in row R of the orchestra on the right side and the rows behind us were empty along with the balcony that was previously reported. Now for 75 bucks, I got my money's worth. We arrived in the middle of Vintage Trouble's set at 8:20 and we left at 12:45 and the show was still going on. But the fact is that a band like Govt' Mule has limited appeal and I don't think the Phish show had a lot to do with it. Phish has played MSG previously at the same date of the Mule, and the Mule still drew. It has to do with the fact their fan base is older, might have less disposable income to spend (75 for the tickets we spent, and easily 70 bucks on drinks), and due to the age do not want to deal with the hassle of attending a show.

One last thing. I don't care if other bands do this but the idea of having to buy a cd to participate in a pre-sale pisses me off. The Allman Brothers are doing everything to piss off their fanbase. Do I really need a copy of a 1992 show that badly? No-and if I can afford it think about the folks who cannot afford it.

So the deal is I pick and choose what I see carefully. I no longer desire to sit in the first ten rows at an Allman Brothers show because I don't think the price is worth it. I rather sit in the back of the orchestra at 25 bucks less. But at this point I am not rushing to buy a ticket. I usually hit up a weekend show during the Beacon run but I am really pissed about the cd purchase. There is no legitimate reason other than greed and I don't necessarily have to participate in this.

 

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  posted on 12/31/2013 at 09:13 PM
The Mule bored me awhile ago, no interest anymore

 

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  posted on 1/2/2014 at 12:34 PM
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Been on this board for many years and I do not recall the as much lack of interest of the Mule at the Beacon. Usually there would have been a dozen posts and several versions of this show posted on Etree. But there is nothing.

Anyway the show for me was highlighted by a version of You Keep Me Hanging On with Carmine Appice on drums. They also did a cool version of Rambling Gambling Man with the guitarist from Vintage Trouble. More later.


A lot of the Mule Talk has moved over to Facebook where there are multiple thriving forums. I was at the 12/30 show (which IS up on Etree) and it was the best Mule show I have ever attended out of more than 50.

 

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Huge Mule fan here
Went last night, just not very impressed with the setlist
I have seen them about 10 times now and by far the Worst of the shows was last night for me
I also have never seen the Upper Balcony so damn Empty for Mule
The tickets were only $ 50 and almost all the seats up top were not sold
I will be back next year yet again, I just hope I like the song choice a bit more


12/30 was the WORST for you? Seriously? Everyone is entitled to their own take but for me and literally everyone I have spoken to that was there, 12/30 was among the best Mule shows they have EVER seen. The setlist was fantastic.

 

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  posted on 1/2/2014 at 12:41 PM
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Sorry to admit but Mule has gone downhill for me. The last couple of releases didn't do much for me.

I bought tickets to their upcoming show in Durham but am already thinking about selling them.


That would be a terrible mistake. You cannot find a better bargain or a better live band than the Mule right now. The tickets in Philly were THIRTY DOLLARS. That's for a two set three plus hour show along with a good opening act.

 

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