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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 05:31 AM
Last night at about 10pm gang shootings at one place.

Hmmmm..apparently they all looked like a 52 year old POSs offspring.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 05:49 AM
This is what happens when only the crooks are allowed to have guns. Way to go Chicago.

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A witness, Julian Harris, told the Chicago Sun-Times that dreadlocked men fired at him from a gray sedan before turning toward Cornell Square Park in Chicago's Back of the Yards neighborhood and firing at people. He said his 3-year-old nephew was wounded in the cheek.

"They hit the light pole next to me, but I ducked down and ran into the house," Harris said. "They've been coming round here looking for people to shoot every night, just gang-banging stuff. It's what they do."





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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 07:01 AM
Those gun laws sure prevent this type of thing, huh?

 

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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 07:30 AM
All citizens should be armed and shoot at all approaching vehicles - you never know which ones are planning to fire on you.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 10:10 AM
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This is what happens when only the crooks are allowed to have guns. Way to go Chicago.


Only crooks are allowed to have guns?

 

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Those gun laws sure prevent this type of thing, huh?


You know what stops it? Aggressive preventative policing such as "stop and frisk" that keeps illegal guns off the streets. I fear for the future of New York City.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 11:51 AM
Exactly dougron. That program worked. It's a shame that some people are so selfishly unwilling to make a small sacrafice to cut down on violent crime.
 

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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 11:58 AM
"stop and frisk"

And you think you are free? Not when they can arbitrarily stop you on the street and search you. A small sacrifice? Being free is not a small sacrifice, it must be met with vigilance to keep it from people like you that are willing to give it away in the guise of keeping you safe. Thank god we had a judge that was willing to stand up to that crap and put an end to the tyranny of random searches.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 12:03 PM
Stop And Frisk Leads To Mistrust Of NYPD And Refusal To Cooperate With Cops, According To Study
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The New York City Police Department's use of the stop-and-frisk tactic has so badly damaged some communities' trust in police, according to a new study, that many young people won't report violent crimes.

The Vera Institute of Justice conducted a survey of 500 men and women in five "highly patrolled" New York City neighborhoods-- Jamaica in Queens, East Harlem, Bedford-Stuyvesant and East New York in Brooklyn, and the South Bronx--who were between the ages of 18 and 25, and who had been stopped by police at least once.

Forty-five percent of those surveyed, according to the report, encountered "an officer who threatened them, and 46 percent said they had experienced physical force at the hands of an officer." Twenty-five percent said they'd been involved in a stop in which a cop has drawn a weapon.

An alarming 44 percent said they'd been stopped repeatedly by police officers--at least nine times. Some even reported being stopped more than 20 times. (Here's The New York Times video profile of a young Brooklyn man stopped over 60 times.)

Only 29 percent of respondents said they'd been informed of the reason for being stopped.

Eighty-five percent said "illegal items such as weapons, drugs, or open containers of alcohol were never discovered during a stop they had been involved in"-- which matches up with the NYPD's own statistics. Eighty-nine percent of those stopped last year weren't arrested or issued a summons.

All of these factors, the study finds, contribute to a lack of young people's trust in New York's finest. “Our main finding is pretty plain and simple: Stop-and-frisk is compromising the trust needed for public safety,” Jennifer Fratello, lead researcher for the study, told The New York Daily News.

Eighty-eight percent of those surveyed said they believed their community did not trust the police. Only 40 percent said they'd be comfortable asking the police for help if they were in trouble.

Sixty percent said they would not talk to police even when they were the victim of violence.

The majority of those surveyed were black or Latino. In 2012, the NYPD stopped 533,042 people, 87 percent of whom were either black or Latino.

A federal judge ruled last month that the NYPD's use of stop and frisk was unconstitutional and amounted to widespread racial profiling. She appointed a federal monitor to oversee the department. Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who says stop and frisk keeps guns off the street and saves lives, appealed the ruling.

The New York City Council also passed two bills last month to rein in the NYPD's use of stop and frisk. One bill sets up the office of the inspector general, which will act as a watchdog over the department. The other bill makes it easier for New Yorkers to sue if they've been profiled based on their race, religion, or sexual orientation.


 

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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 03:21 PM
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"stop and frisk"

And you think you are free? Not when they can arbitrarily stop you on the street and search you. A small sacrifice? Being free is not a small sacrifice, it must be met with vigilance to keep it from people like you that are willing to give it away in the guise of keeping you safe. Thank god we had a judge that was willing to stand up to that crap and put an end to the tyranny of random searches.


Try living in a neighborhood where children have to sleep in bathtubs to avoid the stray bullets that come in through the windows. Or where people are constantly mowed down in cross-fire. Free? Right. Very free. The NYPD has made New York the safest city in the United States and we are on the verge of returning to the bad old days. Sheesh.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 03:31 PM
Clearly the more people that have guns the safer we'll be right? So let's get rid of airport security and allow (encourage and maybe even require) everyone to carry weapons on a plane. That way the terrorista won't be the only one's with weapons. We can all feel safer then. Courthouses too. Restrictions on guns is what is making us unsafe.

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"stop and frisk"

And you think you are free? Not when they can arbitrarily stop you on the street and search you. A small sacrifice? Being free is not a small sacrifice, it must be met with vigilance to keep it from people like you that are willing to give it away in the guise of keeping you safe. Thank god we had a judge that was willing to stand up to that crap and put an end to the tyranny of random searches.


Try living in a neighborhood where children have to sleep in bathtubs to avoid the stray bullets that come in through the windows. Or where people are constantly mowed down in cross-fire. Free? Right. Very free. The NYPD has made New York the safest city in the United States and we are on the verge of returning to the bad old days. Sheesh.


I am not completely against stop and frisk but I don't think for a minute that stop and frisk really does anything to stop people who want a gun or guns from getting one and using one if they want to. I don't think it even puts a tiny dent in gun crimes. Guns are just too easily obtained both legally and illegally in this country. We have basically regressed over the decades and over the century in this country to the point where we are basically back to the wild west. Soon we will probably get to the point where most people will get and carry a gun, mostly out of the fear of knowing that everyone else has one or more.

Who knows, maybe soon we can just go back to ending any of our daily disputes with duals!!! DRAW!!!!!!!!

 

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Last night at about 10pm gang shootings at one place.

Hmmmm..apparently they all looked like a 52 year old POSs offspring.
Wow, more racist commentary from "cornholiofcoranado"

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I am not completely against stop and frisk


And your feelings on Az's attempts to pass laws allowing Police in effect to "stop and ask for I.D."?

 

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Last night at about 10pm gang shootings at one place.

Hmmmm..apparently they all looked like a 52 year old POSs offspring.
Wow, more racist commentary from "cornholiofcoranado"

[Edited on 9/20/2013 by pops42]


Yep - there seems to be a similarity in the threads he starts.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 08:51 PM
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This is what happens when only the crooks are allowed to have guns. Way to go Chicago.


Only crooks are allowed to have guns?



Mainly in Chicago (where there are the strictest of gun ownership laws in effect), New York City (pretty close to Chicago in the same regard), and Washington, DC..

Here in Ga. even convicted felons can get back the right to own firearms.

They have to first serve their sentence, including parole, in an exemplary manner. Not even a traffic ticket. They then have to petition the Governor for a pardon and have one granted. Then they have to petition for their record to be expunged by the Board of Pardons and Paroles. Those two are not easy to get.
After winning their pardon and having their record expunged, they can legally purchase a firearm.

Now, having said all that, name me a mass shooting in Georgia.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2013 at 09:28 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57382545-504083/georgia-spa-shooting -murder-suicide-is-probably-domestic-related-say-police/

 

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You and I both forgot about the day trader that killed 12 back in 1999, but the only other mass killing I can find in Georgia was in 1887 when the Woolfolk family was axed to death.

Still, I'll put the record for Ga and any other state with less restrictive laws against those of Chicago, New York, and Washington, DC. (Including Texas).

 

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  posted on 9/22/2013 at 02:58 PM
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Still, I'll put the record for Ga and any other state with less restrictive laws against those of Chicago, New York, and Washington, DC. (Including Texas).


The gang violence in Chicago has little to do with restrictive gun laws. The gang punks would be armed whether everyone else is or not. It may improve your odds of defending yourself but it won't stop the violence. The people shot at the other night were playing basketball by some thug with an automatic weapon. Until they can change the culture of the gang youth the violence will continue. Unfortunately they don't see a future where they live long so they don't care if anyone else does.


Here's an article that discusses the true numbers of violent crime ... http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2013/07/chicagocrime. html
Here are top 25 cities by murder rate:
CITY BY CITY PER CAPITA HOMICIDE RATES IN 2012 (Per 100,000 residents)

FLINT 61.9884
DETROIT 54.5895
NEW ORLEANS 53.1865
JACKSON 35.8079
5. ST. LOUIS 35.4602
BALTIMORE 35.0134
NEWARK 34.0617
OAKLAND 31.5405
BIRMINGHAM 31.4162
10. BATON ROUGE 28.5097
STOCKTON 23.7375
LITTLE ROCK 22.9527
KANSAS CITY 22.6258
MIAMI GARDENS 22.4867
15. PHILADELPHIA 21.5081
CLEVELAND 21.3317
MONTGOMERY 21.0508
MEMPHIS 20.2301
RICHMOND 20.2118
20. ATLANTA 18.9914
CHICAGO 18.4612
HARTFORD 18.3702
BUFFALO 18.2903
SOUTH BEND 17.7518
25. ROCHESTER 16.9817

Chicago comes in 21st right behind Atlanta!



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  posted on 9/23/2013 at 07:36 AM
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Now, having said all that, name me a mass shooting in Georgia.

According to the link below, the first of 16 mass shootings in the US in 2012 took place in Georgia...

February 22, 2012—Five people were killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross, Georgia, when a man opened fire inside the facility in an act suspected to be related to domestic violence.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shootings-happened-201 2-84-dead#

None of the other 15 mass shootings listed from 2012 took place in Chicago, New York, or Washington, DC. Mass shootings did take place in some states with comparably lax guns laws (Texas, Delaware, Wisconsin, and Oaklahoma).

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Still, I'll put the record for Ga and any other state with less restrictive laws against those of Chicago, New York, and Washington, DC. (Including Texas).

There are studies that have shown states with less restrictive guns laws have more gun violence and gun-related deaths than state with more restrictive gun laws.

And according to 2011 data ranking states based on deaths from gun violence, with 1 being most deadly and 50 being least deadly, Georgia ranks #16 (gun deaths per 100,000: 13.1; permissive gun laws: 13th out of 50). Even Texas at #23 is less deadly than Georgia when it comes to gun-related deaths, at least according to this 2011 data. By comparison, Illinois ranks #43 (gun deaths per 100,000: 8; permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50) and New York ranks #45 (gun deaths per 100,000: 5.1; permissive gun laws: 43rd out of 50). The deadliest state, Mississippi, has the 4th least restrictive gun laws in the US, and the second deadliest, Artizona, has the least restrictive gun laws. Five of the six least deadly gun violence states are in the liberal-leaning northeast (NY, NJ, CT, RI, MA)...the 6th (and least deadly gun violence state in the US) is Hawaii.






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  posted on 9/23/2013 at 08:08 AM
Bottom line, more guns will not stop the gun violence. Period.

 

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"stop and frisk"

And you think you are free? Not when they can arbitrarily stop you on the street and search you. A small sacrifice? Being free is not a small sacrifice, it must be met with vigilance to keep it from people like you that are willing to give it away in the guise of keeping you safe. Thank god we had a judge that was willing to stand up to that crap and put an end to the tyranny of random searches.


Try living in a neighborhood where children have to sleep in bathtubs to avoid the stray bullets that come in through the windows. Or where people are constantly mowed down in cross-fire. Free? Right. Very free. The NYPD has made New York the safest city in the United States and we are on the verge of returning to the bad old days. Sheesh.


I am not completely against stop and frisk but I don't think for a minute that stop and frisk really does anything to stop people who want a gun or guns from getting one and using one if they want to. I don't think it even puts a tiny dent in gun crimes. Guns are just too easily obtained both legally and illegally in this country. We have basically regressed over the decades and over the century in this country to the point where we are basically back to the wild west. Soon we will probably get to the point where most people will get and carry a gun, mostly out of the fear of knowing that everyone else has one or more.

Who knows, maybe soon we can just go back to ending any of our daily disputes with duals!!! DRAW!!!!!!!!


You are missing the point. Stop and Frisk discourages criminals from carrying guns which is where and why most spontaneous gun violence takes place. The same people that are so opposed to legal gun ownership are also opposed to serious enforcement of gun laws. It is absolutely verifiable that the methods of the NYPD of which the stop and frisk procedure is but one, dramatically reduced violent crime in New York City, particularly the most crime ridden neighborhoods, inhabited by minorites.

 

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  posted on 9/23/2013 at 11:41 AM
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Aggressive pro-active policing is proven to greatly reduce gun crime.

 

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Aggressive pro-active policing is proven to greatly reduce gun crime.


Are you agreeing with him? Or are you disagreeing and thereby saying more guns WILL stop gun violence? Or are you trying to make a completely different point?

 

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Now, having said all that, name me a mass shooting in Georgia.

According to the link below, the first of 16 mass shootings in the US in 2012 took place in Georgia...

February 22, 2012—Five people were killed in at a Korean health spa in Norcross, Georgia, when a man opened fire inside the facility in an act suspected to be related to domestic violence.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/171774/fifteen-us-mass-shootings-happened-201 2-84-dead#

None of the other 15 mass shootings listed from 2012 took place in Chicago, New York, or Washington, DC. Mass shootings did take place in some states with comparably lax guns laws (Texas, Delaware, Wisconsin, and Oaklahoma).

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Still, I'll put the record for Ga and any other state with less restrictive laws against those of Chicago, New York, and Washington, DC. (Including Texas).

There are studies that have shown states with less restrictive guns laws have more gun violence and gun-related deaths than state with more restrictive gun laws.

And according to 2011 data ranking states based on deaths from gun violence, with 1 being most deadly and 50 being least deadly, Georgia ranks #16 (gun deaths per 100,000: 13.1; permissive gun laws: 13th out of 50). Even Texas at #23 is less deadly than Georgia when it comes to gun-related deaths, at least according to this 2011 data. By comparison, Illinois ranks #43 (gun deaths per 100,000: 8; permissive gun laws: 45th out of 50) and New York ranks #45 (gun deaths per 100,000: 5.1; permissive gun laws: 43rd out of 50). The deadliest state, Mississippi, has the 4th least restrictive gun laws in the US, and the second deadliest, Artizona, has the least restrictive gun laws. Five of the six least deadly gun violence states are in the liberal-leaning northeast (NY, NJ, CT, RI, MA)...the 6th (and least deadly gun violence state in the US) is Hawaii.
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I've already acknowledged the one about the spa shooting, and made a note about the one before that (1999) done by a day trader.

You're giving figures for something totally different from what we were posting about-mass shootings-not total gun crimes. So again, which states have the worst records on mass shootings?

Go to timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/ and check it out. You're going to have to type it into your browser bar. When you try to drag-and-drop it trys to find it in the HTW website.

 

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