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  posted on 8/1/2013 at 05:42 PM
Doctor says if I don't get my numbers down that he will put me on insulin. The wife says I will not need to get on scripts if I do a raw vegan diet.

I do not want to take drugs, or lose my limbs or my eyesight to diabetes.

Anyone have any experience with this raw vegan stuff?
I guess this means no more burgers but isn't beer made out of vegetables?

 
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  posted on 8/1/2013 at 06:18 PM
Dude I have battled it but have been declared as non diabetic before. I did slip and still fight it.

You can win and it's not that hard stop all white food and cut sweets back. Start walking if possible but the diet is the biggest key. I also quit drinking for about four weeks. Don't drink beer and no rum. Rum was my killer.

Get the weight down and change the diet and you will be amazed in a short time. White food is atrocious bread, potatoes, rice, etc will be your doom.

Sweet potatoes however is like a miracle food. Also take a cinnamon tablet daily.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2013 at 06:20 PM
You don't have to go vegan. You gotta have a big ass steak we all do

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  posted on 8/1/2013 at 06:43 PM
Consistent exercise, lots of fruits and veggies, and portion contorl (my biggest hurdle) are the keys to a healthier lifestyle. You don't have to cut out jeat altogether, but you have to be sensible. Everything in moderation.

 

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  posted on 8/1/2013 at 08:37 PM
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Consistent exercise, lots of fruits and veggies, and portion contorl (my biggest hurdle) are the keys to a healthier lifestyle. You don't have to cut out jeat altogether, but you have to be sensible. Everything in moderation.


I agree consistent excersise is a key.
I could never give this stuff up!!!

 

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  posted on 8/1/2013 at 09:05 PM
I've been mostly vegan since 1995. I "cheat" with cream for coffee, a bit of cheese and sometimes egg if I have cake or some sweet baked goods. You can get vegan baked goods though. My cholesterol numbers are great and so is my sugar. You don't need IMO to go raw. Raw should be part of your diet eg. fruits and salads like coleslaw {made with vegan mayo or virgin olive oil} but we eat a lot of cooked food. We bought vegan cookbooks which give you an idea of all the plant food choices available to you. If I were you I would research what basic ingredients comprise a vegan diet and look at some cookbooks. Maybe go slow in the beginning and incorporate some vegan dishes in your meal planning, over time decreasing animal based meals and increasing plant based meals. Eating vegan is delicious and it is a life saver. Check out Dr. Dean Ornish and his books. He's the Dr. that saved Bill Clinton with a vegan diet. You can actually reverse heart disease with a vegan diet. If you have questions over time, you can PM me and I'll help if I can.

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  posted on 8/1/2013 at 10:23 PM
Thank you, LadyMule, for the first hand report and answering my question. I would gladly give up certain foods if it would make a big difference for me in the long run. I really don't want to mess around with this because, as I said, I don't want to end up on multiple prescription medications, endless doctor visits, and losing my legs or my eyesight or worse.

Western medicine isn't good for lifestyle diseases, I just don't want to waste my time making a change that won't make a big difference.

Do you have any cookbooks to recommend? I don't want to end up eating tons of rice, grains, bread, etc. Even good bread, at this point, is not doing my blood sugar any favors.
I don't want to eat tons of soy 'meat substitutes'.

My wife read about this but does not have a lot of experience. She'll help me once I make a decision.

If anyone else has any experience with vegan diet or raw vegan diet I'd love to hear from you.


 

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  posted on 8/2/2013 at 12:10 AM
Look into the paleo diet. Eat as much lean meats, fresh veggies, fruit, nuts, no grains, no dairy

 

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  posted on 8/2/2013 at 08:01 AM
You know how you can tell if someone is vegan???..................they'll tell you...


In all seriousness though, hope you don't have to give up steak. I for one know there is zero chance I could ever do it.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2013 at 08:19 AM
If you can give this documentary a look... http://www.forksoverknives.com

It is a hard change you have to make but it can be done.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2013 at 11:13 AM
I have been without meat for 43 years and do not miss it. Do not screw with those numbers! The costs are horrible,believe me.My ex is in a nursing home....probably lifetime for it.Get rid of processed foods! If it is white or it has a tv commercial,stay away from it!Good luck!

 

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  posted on 8/2/2013 at 12:52 PM
I go back and forth with being a vegan, vegetarian, pescatarian....then sometimes I just break down and eat meat.

I can say this. It's getting easier to find high quality products out there to replace what you're used to. Quite often when I'm not on tour I'll make my 13 year old son staple American foods like Sloppy Joes, Tacos, Lasagna etc etc and instead of ground beef, I use TVP (textured vegetable protein) ..if you season that stuff like you would ground beef..salt , pepper, garlic, Worcestershire sauce ..etc you really can't tell the difference. So if you can have the same flavor, texture and experience without consuming an animal ..then why not?

The alternatives out there are not more expensive. They are generally non-GMO , and at least not eating meat you don't have to worry about the chemicals and bull **** they use to process the meat.

There are some really bad ass recipes out there. And I've also found juicing daily with a real juicer ( i do 1/3 apple 1/3 orange 1/3 carrot ) ..makes me feel like a warrior.

Hope this helps and I hope the health issues get resolved

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  posted on 8/2/2013 at 01:51 PM
is anyone here vegan?

Not this guy ....

1) Balance
2) Moderation
3) Recognizing how much better I feel when the first two are applied.

 

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  posted on 8/2/2013 at 10:12 PM
WaitinForRain,
In addition to cookbooks, the internet is a great resource for vegan recipes. When we first started, we didn't have the internet but now we use it in addition to cookbooks. If you want to make a pot of soup that will last for a few days just google the kind of soup or main ingredients you want and add vegan eg. for 'vegan carrot soup recipe' you get over 3 million results.

Here are a few cookbooks we like:

The American Vegetarian Cookbook from the Fit for Life Kitchen by Marilyn Diamond
Lorna Sass' Complete Vegetarian Kitchen by Lorna Sass
The Uncheese Cookbook by Joanne Stepaniak
150 Vegan Favorites by Jay Solomon

Becoming Vegan: The Complete Guide to Adopting A Healthy Plant-Based Diet by Davis and Melina {This would be the best "how to" book, probably with some recipes.}
Cooking Vegan by Melina and Forest {A cookbook}
The last two I do not have but highly recommend because I have the predecessors: Becoming Vegetarian and Cooking Vegetarian which are both excellent.

Thoughts I want to pass along to you:
Check out your local health food store/s eg. for nut and seed butters and whole grains.
Eat nut and seed butters from the health food store, eg, peanut, almond, cashew and sesame {tahini}. {Nothing added, just the ground seed or nut} Eat nuts and seeds, eg walnut pieces {Be careful of salt, try not to eat too much salt. You can get unsalted nuts.}
Healthy fats: Extra Virgin Olive Oil for almost everything. Canola oil is best if you have a hot pan but we mainly use EVOO. No butter or margarine.
Yes, you don't want to eat tons of grains but whole grains need to be an important part of your diet. There are many whole grains out there. One of my favourites is quinoa.
Eat legumes, especially with whole grains. Legumes are an important part of a vegan diet.
Tofu is a legume derivative. You don't have to eat it if you don't want, but maybe learn about it over time and give it a chance in a recipe or two. I love tofu, especially in Asian Hot & Sour soup, vegan "meat loaf", and vegan "egg salad". I do sometimes eat "processed" tofu products eg. tofu "chicken' strips for a fajita but we do it only occasionally.
Check out enriched, unsweetened soymilk {or almond milk} for cereal, soups, smoothies and any other way you would use cow's milk.

It sounds like you feel ready for a major change. I don't think you'll be wasting your time.


 

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  posted on 8/3/2013 at 08:45 AM
Thank you Lady Mule, David Stolz, DA, and I hope I did not forget anyone.

Talked again to my wife and and I agreed to give it a shot for 30 days, but not all raw.
She borrowed a juicer from a neighbor yesterday and I started the day with a a green
smoothie. Once I got past the color, the taste was just fine. Well, almost.

I want my numbers down. I don't want to waste my time or my life on 'moderation' to correct the problem. Cholesterol 273, A1C 6.5 and I can lose 30 pounds.

Thanks for the input from those who have been there. I say this because every diet site on the web is crammed full of ... believers and I don't want to spend my time proselytizing. I am not going to sit around and parrot stories of PaleoJoe who really ate steak and VeggieSue who only ate leaves - some of these so-called diets sound like adults playing Dungeons and Dragons while trading recipes, some of which look disgusting or ridiculous or both.

I want the numbers down; Bottom line.

So thanks again! and I apprecite the links to the books - theres so darn many -

W4R

 

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  posted on 8/3/2013 at 09:51 AM
My advice is to be careful not to go to an extreme with your diet, and vegan in my opinion is certainly extreme. Everyone is different of course and has a unique body chemistry and therefore unique nutritional requirements. I personally believe that a woman, with lower muscle mass than us men, can survive a vegan or vegetarian diet easier than us. I have "huge" genes...........my Dad is 6'3", Mom was 6'0", and both were large-framed. I tried vegetarianism from ages 19 to 21 and became extremely weak and thin and was having bowel movements often four and five times a day............the food just was not staying with me. And THAT was on a diet which included fish, milk, cheese and eggs, just no meat of any kind. I felt incredibly better once I started eating meat again.

Like I said, do NOT go to an extreme and starve yourself. My sister was very close friends with a woman whose husband was told he had high blood pressure/high cholesterol and was put on blood pressure meds. He quit all his meds and went on a vegan diet, no animal products whatsoever. He was in his 40's and had been a meat-eater his entire life. He had a massive heart attack and died within a year of starting that regimen. Be careful.............don't shock your body too much......... a little meat a couple of times a week, an omelette a couple of times a week is not going to kill you. In fact you probably need the protein, especially if you've been eating meat your entire life.

And exercise is a HUGE key in diabetes prevention. Join a gym, buy a mountain bike, whatever it takes. It's hard to get started exercising vigorously if you haven't done it in many years, but I personally believe it's the biggest key to managing your health.........you can overcome a lot of dietary mistakes with vigorous exercise. Just like with your diet though, start out slow, don't overtax yourself..............you'll have to work up to vigorous workouts slowly. A half hour on a stationary bike followed by five or six weight exercises, a couple of times a week can do wonders for you. You may have to start out with 15 minutes on the bike and very low weight on the lifting exercises. Also, if you're at risk for diabetes: NO BEER! It's nearly all empty carbohydrates with little nutritional value. Beer was one of my big downfalls. I've still got a long way to go, but I'm getting there. Marijuana gives a great high and it's got NO calories.

GOOD LUCK











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  posted on 8/3/2013 at 11:12 AM
WFR, just pick up one or two cookbooks to get started and use the internet. I just wanted to give you a list of our favourites.

Just my opinion...I think you should give it more than 30 days. I don't know how long it takes to see movement in those numbers but 30 days seems very short to me. It took you many years to get to the place you are in, maybe give it more than 30 days to correct? I understand you want/need to see results ASAP but a little patience is required Big picture: it's a change for life.

Re: fruit, some have more sugar than others and you should go easy on the higher sugar fruit. I know bananas and apples are lower in sugar. You probably could find out more on the internet.

Great to hear you had a smoothie this am. What's for lunch?

Please post your progress here (if you feel like it).

 

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  posted on 8/3/2013 at 11:23 AM
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Please post your progress here (if you feel like it).

Yes, please do! I'm interested to see how it goes.

 

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  posted on 8/3/2013 at 02:54 PM
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I have been without meat for 43 years and do not miss it. Do not screw with those numbers! The costs are horrible,believe me.My ex is in a nursing home....probably lifetime for it.Get rid of processed foods! If it is white or it has a tv commercial,stay away from it!Good luck!


Brother Dave I would also add if they hand it to you through a drive-in window don't do it.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2013 at 10:45 AM
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Get rid of processed foods! If it is white or it has a tv commercial,stay away from it!Good luck!


there it is. You can be vegan and still eat like crap. Meat has zero to do with insulin. A balanced intake of vegies, some meat (no huge slabs, think of it as the side, not the main dish), and moderate dairy, and mainly your carbs have to be unprocessed, and strictly limited to what you need to run, nothing extra. I have known vegans who binge on fries, cake, bread, sugar treats, and they are obese. Ditch the white flour or any processed carbs !!! It is just sugar. It turns into a sugar spike that will eventually give you diabetes, and you will end up dead or worse.

Only eat when you are hungry. Stop when you are full. Do something else for entertainment.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2013 at 10:53 AM
I lost my veganity at an early age. Once it's gone you can never get it back.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2013 at 10:58 AM

Sorry to hear you got nailed by Oscar Meyer.

 

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  posted on 8/4/2013 at 11:22 AM
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Sorry to hear you got nailed by Oscar Meyer.


Obviously, indoctrinated by the literature from the, "Weinermobile"

 

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  posted on 8/4/2013 at 12:53 PM
Wow. Gotta say, if you lost your veganity to that, there would be a substantial recuperation and healing time required.
 

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  posted on 8/4/2013 at 02:15 PM


 

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