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  posted on 7/18/2013 at 12:34 PM
This is an interesting article, follow the link to finish reading...



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The British critic Charles Shaar Murray once described the central drive of American popular music as “the need to separate black music (which, by and large, white Americans love) from black people (who, by and large, they don’t).”

It’s a glibly polemical assessment that too often feels sickeningly right: You don’t need to look far for evidence that this country values black American culture substantially more than it values the lives of black American people. Last Saturday the top three slots on the Billboard album charts were occupied by black American musicians; that evening 17-year-old Trayvon Martin’s shooting death was deemed a blameless occurrence by a Florida jury, a ruling that left many wondering just how little one young black American life was worth in that state’s judicial system.

On Sunday night, Stevie Wonder—a black American musician who sold some records in his day—declared that he would not perform in Florida until the state’s “Stand Your Ground” law is abolished. Wonder’s boycott announcement was drenched in emotion, deeply moving, and—if you are so inclined—easy to dismiss. Wonder is 63 and hasn’t released an album in eight years; who cares what he thinks. He has enough money to never play another gig anywhere if he doesn’t want to. And Zimmerman’s lawyers didn’t even invoke Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law in his defense; Stevie Wonder, some people might scoff, should stick to making music.

Luckily Stevie Wonder is 10 zillion light years smarter than those people. His boycott is politically savvy, morally righteous, and it could be enormously important. Wonder is one of the two or three most important American musicians walking the earth (Bob Dylan, maybe Aretha Franklin; end of list), with an unsurpassed track record for melding music and activism. His politics were forged in the American civil rights movement, and from a precocious age he knew the power of a musical boycott. In 1961, a year before “Little” Stevie Wonder released his first album for Motown Records, two of the biggest stars in American music, Sam Cooke and Ray Charles, made headlines by refusing to perform before segregated audiences in the Jim Crow South; Charles opted to pay a breach-of-contract fine rather than sing in Augusta, one of the largest cities in his home state.* In other words, these artists refused to allow black music to be separated from black people, and Wonder, even at 12, was well aware of their influence. (A few years later the Beatles made the same refusal: They knew that they were playing black music, too.)
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2013/07/stevie_wonder_s_flori da_boycott_his_zimmerman_verdict_protest_is_savvy_and.single.html

 

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  posted on 7/18/2013 at 01:30 PM
"I just can't see playing there".....

He was quoted as saying.

 

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  posted on 7/18/2013 at 02:12 PM
As a lifelong fan of Stevie Wonder, I find his "personal boycott of Florida" a slap in the face to all of his fans in that state who were not involved in this horrific event.

There have been a lot of vile comments regarding this case aimed at supporters and detractors of both sides made by people WHO WERE NOT EVEN PRESENT at the event. As a person who suffers a disability, let me say that had Mr. Wonder been standing right there, he still would have seen nothing.

A lot of celebrities and ... Politicians have been injecting their opinions and thus, their INFLUENCE into the minds of others who were also not present at the event.

I am among those who were not present. I can only rely on the reports in the media, which have at times borderd on dangerous and irresponsible reporting.

In the earliest days, reports suggested that Mr. Martin actually doubled back to face Zimmerman. If this is true, then it's a classic case of the hunter becoming the hunted. Again, I don't know if this is the truth or not.

What I have witnessed is the way that the media has reported on the case.

Early on, CBS news ran a tape of the 911 call where they edited out several of Zimmerman's words, thus creating the illusion of a racial slur. Several news outlets used and continue to use photos of a younger Trayvon Martin. Then, and before checking all of the facts, our own President injected himself into the story. CNN went as far as to invent a new racial sub-category (white Hispanic) that did not exist before this story. On the evening that the case went to jury, CNN announced that, "the case is now in the hands of six females, three of them white ...".

The Department of Justice now appears to have engaged itself into a type of witch hunt for Zimmerman. All involved are ignoring the fact that a jury sat and listened to the defense and prosecution for two weeks before deliberating. Yesterday on television, I watched the prosecution team being interviewed. They blamed (their own) "inconsistent witnesses" and other criteria for Zimerman's acquittal but never once noting their own incompetence.

This is not over. Zimmerman mill be gotten somehow via whatever steps or means are required or by whom.

 

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  posted on 7/18/2013 at 04:42 PM
As someone who is not a SW fan i could care less I am so sick and tired of actors, musicians, and anyone else who uses the public to make a living ,getting all politician on everyone they need to do their job for the fans that pay the money and keep their traps shut when it comes to politics.... IMHO

 

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As someone who is not a SW fan i could care less I am so sick and tired of actors, musicians, and anyone else who uses the public to make a living ,getting all politician on everyone they need to do their job for the fans that pay the money and keep their traps shut when it comes to politics.... IMHO


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  posted on 7/18/2013 at 05:10 PM
I certainly understand the feelings of those who have posted in this thread. On the other hand, just as we have the choice to buy (or not buy) a performer's CD or pay to see them in concert (or not pay to see them in concert), the same holds true for performers. Don't they have the right to avoid playing where they don't want to perform? Isn't it an issue of choice - both ways?
 

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  posted on 7/18/2013 at 05:30 PM
Stevie Wonder can boycott anything or anyplace he wants. It's his decision. Me, I plan to boycott Montana. Too much fresh air gives me a headache.

 

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I certainly understand the feelings of those who have posted in this thread. On the other hand, just as we have the choice to buy (or not buy) a performer's CD or pay to see them in concert (or not pay to see them in concert), the same holds true for performers. Don't they have the right to avoid playing where they don't want to perform? Isn't it an issue of choice - both ways?


I hear what you're saying. But a mere fan boycotting a national Band or act is a little like pissing into an ocean. It just ain't gonna amount to much.

An artist boycotting an entire state requires much more arrogance.

I plan on seeing Stevie Wonder perform wherever and whenever possible. But the ironic factor is that he rarely tours at all.
Does anybody even know the last time he played in Florida? Just askin!

 

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  posted on 7/18/2013 at 06:57 PM
If you drive his ass to show down there he wouldn't know.

 

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  posted on 7/18/2013 at 09:43 PM
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As a lifelong fan of Stevie Wonder, I find his "personal boycott of Florida" a slap in the face to all of his fans in that state who were not involved in this horrific event.

There have been a lot of vile comments regarding this case aimed at supporters and detractors of both sides made by people WHO WERE NOT EVEN PRESENT at the event. As a person who suffers a disability, let me say that had Mr. Wonder been standing right there, he still would have seen nothing.

A lot of celebrities and ... Politicians have been injecting their opinions and thus, their INFLUENCE into the minds of others who were also not present at the event.

I am among those who were not present. I can only rely on the reports in the media, which have at times borderd on dangerous and irresponsible reporting.

In the earliest days, reports suggested that Mr. Martin actually doubled back to face Zimmerman. If this is true, then it's a classic case of the hunter becoming the hunted. Again, I don't know if this is the truth or not.

What I have witnessed is the way that the media has reported on the case.

Early on, CBS news ran a tape of the 911 call where they edited out several of Zimmerman's words, thus creating the illusion of a racial slur. Several news outlets used and continue to use photos of a younger Trayvon Martin. Then, and before checking all of the facts, our own President injected himself into the story. CNN went as far as to invent a new racial sub-category (white Hispanic) that did not exist before this story. On the evening that the case went to jury, CNN announced that, "the case is now in the hands of six females, three of them white ...".

The Department of Justice now appears to have engaged itself into a type of witch hunt for Zimmerman. All involved are ignoring the fact that a jury sat and listened to the defense and prosecution for two weeks before deliberating. Yesterday on television, I watched the prosecution team being interviewed. They blamed (their own) "inconsistent witnesses" and other criteria for Zimerman's acquittal but never once noting their own incompetence.

This is not over. Zimmerman mill be gotten somehow via whatever steps or means are required or by whom.


I agree with your sentiments. But for the record, NBC altered the audio not CBS and they are currently defending a defamation lawsuit brought by Zimmerman.

 

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  posted on 7/18/2013 at 09:53 PM
Stevie who?
 

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  posted on 7/18/2013 at 10:28 PM
I know I said I was done with this. I have not been watching the rest of it at least.

I will hate myself after for posting.
I know the media gets after a story like a dog to a bone and jsut won't let go.
How much longer do we have to beat this story to death.
I do not mean here , but on tv too.

When is the next big story going to happen?

Any big celebrity deaths, scandals, elections, what ? Something. When is this story going to run its course.
I guess since the verdict was last Saturday, sgtarting Monday , it should be old news.
Give a week's run.

OK. Stevie can boycot what, where he wants. Fine
Punishing those who had nothing to do with this and who, Blacks, Whites, Green , people of FL who like SYG Law, is not the answer.

But hey,that is him.

Like I said before, step right up folks, the circus has hit . Of course entertainers will get behind any popular subject of the week. BLacks, Whites ,whatever the entertianer is.
The cause ,anything.
Could Red Delicous Apples are the in thing for the week. They will support Red, Relicous Apples and not Granny Smith Apples.

Add most entertainers, Balck ones, White one, Other, know nothing about nothing next to nothing and few went past 12 th grade if that far.

 

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  posted on 7/19/2013 at 09:24 AM
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I certainly understand the feelings of those who have posted in this thread. On the other hand, just as we have the choice to buy (or not buy) a performer's CD or pay to see them in concert (or not pay to see them in concert), the same holds true for performers. Don't they have the right to avoid playing where they don't want to perform? Isn't it an issue of choice - both ways?


I agree. Well said.

 

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I certainly understand the feelings of those who have posted in this thread. On the other hand, just as we have the choice to buy (or not buy) a performer's CD or pay to see them in concert (or not pay to see them in concert), the same holds true for performers. Don't they have the right to avoid playing where they don't want to perform? Isn't it an issue of choice - both ways?


I hear what you're saying. But a mere fan boycotting a national Band or act is a little like pissing into an ocean. It just ain't gonna amount to much.

An artist boycotting an entire state requires much more arrogance.

I plan on seeing Stevie Wonder perform wherever and whenever possible. But the ironic factor is that he rarely tours at all.
Does anybody even know the last time he played in Florida? Just askin!



Yeah it was ages ago that he last played Florida, like May of this year.

 

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I certainly understand the feelings of those who have posted in this thread. On the other hand, just as we have the choice to buy (or not buy) a performer's CD or pay to see them in concert (or not pay to see them in concert), the same holds true for performers. Don't they have the right to avoid playing where they don't want to perform? Isn't it an issue of choice - both ways?


I hear what you're saying. But a mere fan boycotting a national Band or act is a little like pissing into an ocean. It just ain't gonna amount to much.

An artist boycotting an entire state requires much more arrogance.

I plan on seeing Stevie Wonder perform wherever and whenever possible. But the ironic factor is that he rarely tours at all.
Does anybody even know the last time he played in Florida? Just askin!



Yeah it was ages ago that he last played Florida, like May of this year.


Thanks, Mike. Like I said, just asking. Fact is, though Stevie Wonder rarely plays live at all these days.

 

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I fully stand behind his decision. Money talks these days. Maybe a loss of tourism revenue will help Florida legislators decide that this Stand Your Ground law is nothing more than a coward's free pass at bumping off somebody they don't agree with or don't like. It's not too difficult to prove that you were feeling threatened. Nobody actually knows wtf is going on inside your head. You're the only witness there, and for some reason, that is credible enough to the state of Florida. Actually being threatened is something else. It's crap legislation, imo. Florida will not get my money until the legislation changes. Sorry. Nothing against you folks. But's that's all that matters in politics these days. So let them experience a loss of revenue as a result of this. Stevie Wonder isn't targeting you personally. It's his right to play where he wants to. Just like it's your right to not buy his tickets or records.


Do you understand what the legislation is? What it permits? What it's purpose is? If so please state it here. 29 other states have similar legislation. Will you boycott them as well?

 

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Well I'll bet he likes OJ. If you're gonna boycott Florida gotta stop with the OJ.

 

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  posted on 7/19/2013 at 01:55 PM
Boycott all things Florida? Wouldn't that include a band or two that we all love and enjoy?

 

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I fully stand behind his decision. Money talks these days. Maybe a loss of tourism revenue will help Florida legislators decide that this Stand Your Ground law is nothing more than a coward's free pass at bumping off somebody they don't agree with or don't like. It's not too difficult to prove that you were feeling threatened. Nobody actually knows wtf is going on inside your head. You're the only witness there, and for some reason, that is credible enough to the state of Florida. Actually being threatened is something else. It's crap legislation, imo. Florida will not get my money until the legislation changes. Sorry. Nothing against you folks. But's that's all that matters in politics these days. So let them experience a loss of revenue as a result of this. Stevie Wonder isn't targeting you personally. It's his right to play where he wants to. Just like it's your right to not buy his tickets or records.


Do you understand what the legislation is? What it permits? What it's purpose is? If so please state it here. 29 other states have similar legislation. Will you boycott them as well?


without digging it up directly from the state of Florida, here's one law firm's mention of it, supposedly verbatim:

http://www.husseinandwebber.com/florida-stand-your-ground-statute.html

I think your quote of 29 states is a bit high. And yes, if that is what it takes for me to feel safe, I will avoid those states at all costs.

This article seems to indicate that the law is basically ineffective when it comes to producing the results desired.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/us/florida-stand-your-ground

It's too bad so many states have similar legislation. I'll miss visiting California. Oregon is a nice substitute though.





I know what it is. I want to know if you actually know what the legislation is and what it's purpose is. Just state it, don't post links. Let's see if we can cut through the propaganda and actually discuss factual reality.

 

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  posted on 7/19/2013 at 03:05 PM
I actually thought this quote:

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The British critic Charles Shaar Murray once described the central drive of American popular music as “the need to separate black music (which, by and large, white Americans love) from black people (who, by and large, they don’t).”


would elicit more conversation.

 

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Well I'll bet he likes OJ. If you're gonna boycott Florida gotta stop with the OJ.


you're right, I do like O.J. Orange juice, that is. That's going to hurt. Oh well, that stuff is pretty expensive anyways. I guess I'll have to become an apple juice guy.


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As someone who is not a SW fan i could care less I am so sick and tired of actors, musicians, and anyone else who uses the public to make a living ,getting all politician on everyone they need to do their job for the fans that pay the money and keep their traps shut when it comes to politics.... IMHO


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  posted on 7/19/2013 at 10:51 PM
I remember los lobos decided to boycott arizona because of the sb1270 immigration proposal. I think they realized that they were screwing their fans more than hurting gov. jan brewer.

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  posted on 7/20/2013 at 01:59 AM
Funny...........I don't think I can remember Stevie Wonder boycotting California when O.J. Simpson was acquitted................does anyone?

 

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  posted on 7/20/2013 at 11:47 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/us/florida-stand-your-ground

doesn't look like its going anywhere soon

 
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