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  posted on 6/8/2013 at 03:46 PM
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A jury in Bexar County, Texas just acquitted Ezekiel Gilbert of charges that he murdered a 23-year-old Craigslist escort—agreeing that because he was attempting to retrieve the $150 he'd paid to Lenora Ivie Frago, who wouldn't have sex with him, his actions were justified.

Gilbert had admitted to shooting Frago in the neck on Christmas Eve 2009, when she accepted $150 from Gilbert and left his home without having sex with him. Frago, who was paralyzed by the shooting, died several months later.

Gilbert's defense argued that the shooting wasn't meant to kill, and that Gilbert's actions were justified, because he believed that sex was included as part of the fee. Texas law allows people "to use deadly force to recover property during a nighttime theft."

The 30-year-old hugged his defense attorneys after the "not guilty" verdict was read by the judge. If convicted, he could have faced life in prison. He thanked God, his lawyers, and the jury for being able to "see what wasn't the truth."

 
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  posted on 6/8/2013 at 03:58 PM
So many things some in mind here. Clearly, the jury let someone get away with murder here. How they could find a jury to buy this argument is beyond me. First of all, an escort isn't necessarily a prostitute. I have no idea what "agreement" might have been made here, but since prostitution is illegal in Texas, why would anyone let someone off the hook for killing someone for not providing illegal services to you?
 

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  posted on 6/8/2013 at 05:12 PM
Think about the outcomes & actions by the jury in these two trials.

OJ Simpson

Casey Anthony

 

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  posted on 6/8/2013 at 05:23 PM
Texas has some of the broadest and most subjective castle laws. It looks like that was gumby'd to fit this circumstance.

But anyone living in Texas should know that the gun laws provide wide latitude for a home owner to shoot someone on, in, or connected in some negative way with their property.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2013 at 05:40 PM
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Texas has some of the broadest and most subjective castle laws. It looks like that was gumby'd to fit this circumstance.

But anyone living in Texas should know that the gun laws provide wide latitude for a home owner to shoot someone on, in, or connected in some negative way with their property.




Not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2013 at 05:54 PM
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Texas has some of the broadest and most subjective castle laws. It looks like that was gumby'd to fit this circumstance.

But anyone living in Texas should know that the gun laws provide wide latitude for a home owner to shoot someone on, in, or connected in some negative way with their property.




Guess she paid the highest price...her life...for not going down on "his property".

 

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  posted on 6/8/2013 at 06:58 PM
I wish we could give Texas back to Mexico! When I read about this yesterday I couldn't believe it....but then again, I guess I can. That's what's happens when you start to devalue women.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2013 at 07:08 PM
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I wish we could give Texas back to Mexico! When I read about this yesterday I couldn't believe it....but then again, I guess I can. That's what's happens when you start to devalue women.


Agree 100%.

It baffles the mind that a court case could have this outcome.

Remember this not long ago. See the cut & paste from the net. I think this pretty much shows the mentality down in TX - certainly not from everyone but these are some pretty hefty numbers.

HOUSTON (CBS Houston) — Texas Gov. Rick Perry has one message for the tens of thousands of Texans calling for secession from the United States: The state will not secede.

More than 76,000 people have signed a petition on the “We the People” White House website for Texas to withdraw from the Union and start a new government after President Barack Obama was re-elected.


 

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  posted on 6/8/2013 at 07:37 PM
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I wish we could give Texas back to Mexico! When I read about this yesterday I couldn't believe it....but then again, I guess I can. That's what's happens when you start to devalue women.
I don't agree with the verdict. But with that said I think she devalued herself by being in the buisness she was in.

 

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HOUSTON (CBS Houston) — Texas Gov. Rick Perry has one message for the tens of thousands of Texans calling for secession from the United States: The state will not secede.

More than 76,000 people have signed a petition on the “We the People” White House website for Texas to withdraw from the Union and start a new government after President Barack Obama was re-elected.




Do you have to live in Texas to sign the petition for them to withdraw from the union? I'll sign it.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 08:35 AM
If OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony can get away with what they got away with anything is possible.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 09:13 AM
We're such a vast country with a huge difference in how the population thinks and feels based on the demographic that live in each state, county, city....we're really like 50 small countries

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 11:25 AM
It is so shocking to me that this happened in 2013 that I really don't know what to say. Not that it would have been any less shocking had it happened 50 years ago. The best phrase I can come up with is "degradation of the female gender."

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 12:04 PM
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I wish we could give Texas back to Mexico! When I read about this yesterday I couldn't believe it....but then again, I guess I can. That's what's happens when you start to devalue women.
I don't agree with the verdict. But with that said I think she devalued herself by being in the buisness she was in.


I don't think you mean your post to be as judgmental as it comes across, but perhaps you do. The girl was 22 or 23 and she was an escort, not a prostitute. I know at times the two are the same thing, but prostitution is illegal in Texas. No way a jury should have found him innocent of killing her because she wouldn't have sex with him for money.....it's essentially saying it's okay to engage in an illegal act and kill someone over the terms. If that's the case, how about people who murder over drug deals that go bad? Pretty much the same thing when you break it down. I think the jury found him innocent because they judged the girl who was killed and found her life didn't have much value.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 01:00 PM

Well, as they say in Texas "He couldn't get laid in a whorehouse with a fistful of fifties"

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 01:39 PM
Was the jury made up of all males over 50?

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 01:49 PM
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Was the jury made up of all males over 50?


Why do you ask?

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 03:27 PM
Yep, this is a crap deal. Still...

gotta say though, same as I wouldn't feel sorry for a rock climber who Peter Pans and breaks his neck, or a kayaker who drowns in the kids care cycle, or a football player who had his brain pan skewered by a splintered jawbone, or a journalist who sashays around in a warzone, people have to stop whining about the consequences of their choices, or the outcome of someone else's choices in this case. This gal chose to put herself in extremely dangerous situations, with rotten people, in their territory, made herself a target. she knew this could happen, probably happens all the time to her peers, or pretty close if not murder.

For sure not saying it is ok that the jury decided this way, but what happened will keep happening regardless of what anyone says is legal or not. People who want to be whores should move someplace where it is protected by the state, like Nevada. There might be a measure of safety in that. Who cares what the law says? She's dead. And a bunch of d*ckweeds now think it is ok to shoot whores. Probably not a real smart time to be a whore in Texas, if it ever was. People are crazier than ever now.

I'm so sick of hearing how people get ruined in situations they brought on themselves, then everyone feels sorry for them.


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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 05:10 PM
So we're blaming the victim for getting shot? Sort of like we blame the victim for getting raped. I finnd it rather sad that people don't assign blame to the right people. Okay, if someone wants to fly off a cliff and the squirrel wings don't function, got it, that would be the victim's fault. 'Whore' or not, she had no expectation of being murdered, nor should she. We don't know her story but evidently some in here know she didn't deserve to live because she was a 'whore.' It's a slippery slope when jurys start rendering verdicts based on moral judgments.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 05:29 PM
The original post is a bit misleading. The dude fired at the car she left in as she and the guy driving were leaving, after she gave the money to the guy driving. Some of the bullet fragments struck her in the neck. She was paralyzed and died seven months later from complications. Happened on Christmas Eve 2009. Not saying anyone's life is worth $150, but this didn't warrant a murder charge either, and that played a big part in his acquittal as he claimed he did not intend to kill her. The defense team argued it was a scam from the start to steal his money, thus the application of the law.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 06:12 PM
No bigann, you're mangling what I said. I'm sorry for the girl, and I think it is a sh*tty verdict. Point I was inadequately expressing, it seems, is that this kind of BS is going to happen no matter what the law is. *sshole tricks won't give a crap what the ruling is in this. The only way to keep these gals safe from harm would be to legalize prostitution and have it monitored in government regulated whorehouses, like in Nevada.

If the headline had been "Whore shoots trick" I would think, oh well, there they go, at it again they deserve each other. So, I don't want to hear this high horse I'm judging the poor prostitute woman by the well malarkey.

Yes, she was a victim, but she put herself in that situation, knowing full well she was walking on the wild side. Saying "you're blaming the victim" just makes my objectivity look bad, but doesn't change the fact that when people misbehave and take chances they get hurt. That's all I was saying. I never said she was doing anything wrong. For the record, I don't think it is wrong.

Look, if I went down to San Fran and started peddling my butt in the Castro, I wouldn't expect any sympathy if I got drawn and quartered and found in a garbage bag on North Beach. It's a dumb thing to do. Just as any extreme sports fanatic could tell you, but they do it anyway, because they choose to. I'm shrugging off your thing of "whores don't deserve to live" if that was pointed at me.

The only difference here is a malevolent idiot who was the source of the danger, the law can't control these people, unless big social changes are made. So until then, whoever works in that profession is on their own. And they know it. You go hiking in Yellowstone with an open can of tuna, the bears gonna get you.


***now I read this over, and I can't believe I'm here discussing what transpired between two lowlifes who will meet fates like this whatever headlines they make with their idiotic behavior. For sure this *sshole is going to die in some totally stupid way before long, I mean , running down the street shooting, getting ripped off of his meth budget in a bad whore deal, good lord. I'm out of here, this marks a good place to bail out of my most recent descent into the WP. It's just gotten kind of gross lately. It's been fun, but I can't stomach myself anymore, let alone all y'all. I'll be back, see ya !



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Back already. Just can't stay away. Is there a WP Anonymous? OK, what about this... Forget the whole charged issue of the poor victimized prostitute. What if it was a ripoff? Like the post a couple before said. So, here's another angle. It's not a whore, it is a Tupperware lady. She comes in and you decide to buy everything she has. You give her $150, which is going to put the serious jones on you for the meth sacrifice, but hey, it's Tupperware, gotta have it. You go to the kitchen to bring her a glass of iced tea, and when you return she is pulling out of the driveway with her Tupperware accomplice, making off with all the Tupperware. You lose it, go running down the street firing your weapon, which kills the Tupperware lady. Then you get off in court, convinced that God was on your side. And probably celebrate with a big Tupperware party that night.

Prostitution ethics aside, would this be murder, or just a guy who got ripped off going nuts.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 07:30 PM
I've read some things indicating that Texas' rather broad Castle Doctrine has been stretched in a number of cases like this, and homicides are up because of it.

I remember going through some firearms training here in NC and reviewing the Castle laws here at the time. In all cases, the intent was to preserve life. That generally meant that you could only shoot someone who: a) was in the process of trying to break into your home, or b) was in your home and either was or represented the potential of attacking you with deadly force. And given modern forensics, you better be right about that last part.

If you came upon someone in your house who did not represent the possibility of deadly force, you could not shoot them. If you came upon someone fleeing your house after robbing it, you could not shoot them. If you came upon someone in your home, you could not hold them at gun point and call the cops. (I say "could" in all cases because there have been some changes that I need to catch up on)

If you consider all those scenarios, you see a set a laws that are built around protection of life as the primary objective. It may be the life of scumbags, but the law doesn't make that judgement. While I might make some modifications, I think the spirit of those laws are better than Texas' more wild west approach. I may enjoy firearms as a hobby and means of protection, but I don't want to shoot anyone unless my life is threatened.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2013 at 07:40 PM
And no doubt this idiot is gulty of some kind of criminally negligent charge, such as negligent homocide or manslaughter. He should not have gotten off scott free. Sadly, if he has no gun, he's just out $150 and the girls is not killed.

 

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