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  posted on 2/23/2013 at 02:12 PM
I don't follow racing but am a sports fan in general. For years now, my general impression has been that NASCAR is huge, that it is among the leading spectator sports. Thus, I was surprised to read in some of the Danica Patrick threads an d articles that its popularity has declined. Any ideas on the cause?

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  posted on 2/23/2013 at 03:07 PM
First off less people are attending in person but TV ratings are still huge. I will start wth a things I think are ruining NASCAR.

Pissing off you very loyal fan base by vanilla-ing everything up was a bad start. Robot drivers add very little to the drama these days. Need more wild eye'd, crazy haired take no prisoners guys. Sponsors demand a certain image and character and this current generation of drivers just seem like bud-light water downed boring drivers.

Removing bring your own food and beer policies pissed off people. Tracks stated it was due to 9-11 but some tracks like Phoenix, texas, vegas are making a killing selling aluminum bottles full of bad beer. I believe you cannot bring your own beer at all of the tracks owned by one of the two companies that control the tracks.

Raising ticket prices to take advantage of very loyal fans didn't help. 125 a seat to sit in turn one at Phoenix this past fall was a joke.

Putting cars on the track that are so safe and "easy" to drive that the "big one's" only happen on the big tracks takes some of the fun out of attendng a live event.

Last but not least HD TV and placing 400 camera's around the track makes sitting at home saving $1,000 or more dollars to attend a race pretty easy.

One thing I think NASCAR should do is get into the stands more. Show how much fun one can have attending a race. Show people how close you can get to the fence and the cars going by at 200 mph.

If you don't smile, laugh and shake your head in wonder while standing at the fence at Daytona when the full pack of 43 car goes by at 200 mph you may as well pack it in. To me its one of the best stress relievers out there.

Nascar should present more stats on the screens at track. Yes you can rent the headphones and hear Dale say nothing for $25.00 bucks. They need to provide the guy in the stands more details. Who had the fastest lap, top speeds, who is charging ahead, pit stop stats, etc. All this and more could be shown on big screens.

I still watch the big races and attempt to attend at least one race a year. IMO once you get there you get it and will want to return.

Have to add the Nationwide race I went to last fall in Phoenix cost me $40.00 for 4 tickets and the place was 75% full. Thats cheaper then what I pay to take my family to my local track.

I think they are figuring that they need to get families back to the track and cheap tickets is a great start.

Can't wait until tomorrow!!!

 

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  posted on 2/23/2013 at 05:18 PM
A couple of things come to mind pretty quickly.

First, most of the passing is done in the pits, not on the track.
Second, races are too long. Why watch Daytona for 2 1/2 hours when you know that there will be a wreck in the last 15 laps that resets the field and you will really we looking at a short race to the finish. I DVR most races and watch the last 15 to 20 minutes.
Third, the announcers have nothing new to say. (except this year when talk about Danica Patrick instead of Dale Earnhart Jr.).
Fourth, there really are only about 15 cars that are capable of winning races. Hendrick, Rousch, Gibbs, Stewart-Hass, and maybe RCR. The rest are just field fillers.

 

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  posted on 2/23/2013 at 06:03 PM
It's really quite simple. JOBS. The unemployment in this country has hit at the heart of Nascar fans. The real unemployment rate, not the BS the government tries to pass off, is killing Nascar.

TV ratings were down almost 6% for Daytona last year.

If only Danica would win the Daytona 500 ....

 

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  posted on 2/24/2013 at 10:14 AM
Wow, 4 NASCAR threads !!

Out of the handful of people I know who watch nascar, most do not care about it like they used to. I've been told all kinds of reasons from drivers changing teams too much, same drivers always winning, Toyota coming in, and not liking the chase. And a couple other people their drivers retired or semiretired and they didn't keep up with the sport afterwards (Rusty Wallace, Bill Elliot).

I guess everyone might have some different reasons if they don't follow the sport that seriously any longer. I don't know if there is a broad reason, but if there is I might have to agree with jerryphilbob that it is economic.

I've always thought the lack of heated rivalries on the track these days makes the sport weaker. Every stick and ball sport has rivalries that tend to drive enthusiasm and interest. Sure there are the rivalries between the fans, but there really isn't any quasi-rivalries on the track. Maybe every now and then you have some drivers that get into it after a race, but nothing really carries over. I think that maybe has made the sport a little too boring. Simple Ford vs Chevy stuff doesn't work. Drivers and teams that genuinely do not like eachother and act that way on the track would make things alot more interesting.

One thing is for sure, the kind of access you can have at a race is not matched by any other sport. You can get pit passes, garage passes, you can be less than 20 feet away from a 200 mph race car going past you (which usually is a safe thing even though yesterday's accident challenges that). The fan experience at a race can be pretty great.

 

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  posted on 2/24/2013 at 11:01 AM
NASCAR started it's downward spiral as soon as Hut Stricklin retired. Case closed.
 

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  posted on 2/24/2013 at 11:47 AM
They need more drivers with cool names. I miss Dick Trickle.

 

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  posted on 2/24/2013 at 12:38 PM

Lake Speed!

 

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  posted on 2/24/2013 at 02:09 PM
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NASCAR started it's downward spiral as soon as Hut Stricklin retired. Case closed.


Hut Stricklin retired and became Alan woods

 

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  posted on 2/24/2013 at 02:10 PM
NASCAR needs buckshot jones

 

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  posted on 2/24/2013 at 06:08 PM
Stop Fox from televising races would bring folks back. That was brutal.

 

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  posted on 2/24/2013 at 06:58 PM
They need some right turns

 

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  posted on 2/24/2013 at 08:07 PM
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I guess everyone might have some different reasons if they don't follow the sport that seriously any longer. I don't know if there is a broad reason, but if there is I might have to agree with jerryphilbob that it is economic.




$4 a gallon gasoline will keep me from Martinsville for the third year in a row after about 15 straight years going there.

Vanilla is another reason. Brad Kesolowski got called to the office for his interview in USA Today Friday. I liked his comment " I don't see Danica Patrick as that girl driver, I see her as that 30th place driver" I like Bad Brad, the sport needs more like him.

 

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I guess everyone might have some different reasons if they don't follow the sport that seriously any longer. I don't know if there is a broad reason, but if there is I might have to agree with jerryphilbob that it is economic.




$4 a gallon gasoline will keep me from Martinsville for the third year in a row after about 15 straight years going there.

Vanilla is another reason. Brad Kesolowski got called to the office for his interview in USA Today Friday. I liked his comment " I don't see Danica Patrick as that girl driver, I see her as that 30th place driver" I like Bad Brad, the sport needs more like him.


Isn't he the driver who got in trouble for tweeting? Martinsville is one of the few NASCAR races I'd want to attend as I prefer the short tracks to the super speedways

 

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  posted on 2/25/2013 at 11:28 AM
My take on the demise of NASCAR.
Once removed from being a regional sport in attempts at being national and eventually international, NASCAR lost it's aura and mystic nature much like Coors beer became once you could get it east of the Mississippi.
Lack of true folk heroes who work their way up from local tracks to big leagues. now it's all about who can carry the sponsor's water in a positive manner without stumbling. look at the way people follow Jr. One of only a handful born in the South currently racing.
10+ races run on the same type track ie Vegas, Fontana, Texas etc.
RESTRICTOR PLATE RACING! Remove the bottom 40 rows at Daytona and 'Dega and let em loose!
Saturday and Sunday night racing when they return to the southeast.





 
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  posted on 2/25/2013 at 12:30 PM
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Stop Fox from televising races would bring folks back. That was brutal.


I can't stand Darrell Waltrip with his constant commentary. STFU. I mute my TV before the start of a race he is announcing so I don't hear that "boogity boogity boogity" **** . Michael Waltrip is even worse when he announces an event. Again, just STFU.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2013 at 12:31 PM
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NASCAR started it's downward spiral as soon as Hut Stricklin retired. Case closed.


Hut Stricklin retired and became Alan woods


Naw, I am Sterlin Marlin without a rug.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2013 at 12:38 PM
And that Budweiser Clydesdale commercial with Stevie Nicks warbling in the background is really effing annoying. It is getting really old.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2013 at 04:12 PM
So are you...............

 

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  posted on 2/25/2013 at 04:15 PM
Annoying or old?

 

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  posted on 2/25/2013 at 04:16 PM
Before you all pile on, I know the answer...

 

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  posted on 2/25/2013 at 05:18 PM
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Annoying or old?


we could really add to this list

 

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  posted on 2/28/2013 at 09:30 PM
For me, it started going down when the National Stock Car Automobile Racing big wigs took the STOCK out of the cars. Where can you buy a Toyota with a 400+ cubic inch V-8 with rear wheel drive? Why did they make all the "Cars of Tomorrow" the same shape, size, weight, all the specs down to size of brake lines the same?
It damn sure didn't help make the racing any better. The racing part got worse.
Used to, if it wasn't stock (available to the public) to that model car, you couldn't race it. You couldn't put a car on the track unless it was also sold to the public (remember the Superbirds and Daytonas).
Richard Petty took stock MOPAR engines and put them in a kiln until they glowed almost white hot to toughen the block. The purpose built engines weren't available, you used what was stock and built it up as tough and fast as you possibly could.
Those were the days when you would see drivers with a fast car, properly prepared and set up, lap the other drivers sometimes having the second place driver several laps back at the finish.
Races were also won in the pits back then. The pit crew that could spin that 4 way tire tool the fastest, and hardest, got their driver out quicker (and no speed limits on pit road).
Of course pushing the stock iron so hard led to some really historic pile-ups. A thrown rod into the oil pan could cause quite a slippery patch for anyone behind you. Of course back then you drove on modified street tires so you might keep a little more traction that the huge slicks they run today.

The old adage was 'Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday". Kinda hard to relate now to the cars on the track like we used to back 50 years ago.

 

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