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Personally, I'm liberal on many views, and conservative on some. After arguing senselessly with family members on numerous topics, I noticed a frequent theme in our discussions. This isn't meant to be an attack on conservatives, but rather an observation of how I see the conflicts arise.

It seems like conservatives generally are unwilling to make sacrafices that would make a positive impact on our country - sacrafices that liberals are willing to make. And this decision to do so is disguised as unconditional loyalty to the Constitution. They are unwilling to give up automatic weapons, even though it could save a few lives. They are unwilling to pay more taxes, even though it would improve our infrastructure and economy. Unwilling to vote for gay marraige, even though it would make millions of people equal and happy. Unwilling to reform healthcare even though it would provide care for millions who don't have it......and the list goes on. As Obama pointed out, the general idea is that conservatives have an "every man for themselves and survival of the fittest" mentality, whereas liberals believe some issues are meant to be built and shared together.

With liberals tending to be more willing to make these sacrafices, it is seen by conservatives as a seizure of our individual rights, and a hinderance to prosperity and innovation. So my question for the conservatives is, what sacrafices are you willing to make to make our country better?

 
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  posted on 2/21/2013 at 09:21 PM
I'm socially liberal, fiscally less so. I live in the middle of NYC and see rich and poor. If I pay more taxes so that the poorer kids around me get better health care and definitely better education, I'm willing to do so. If those kids are healthy and all become engineers, we are all better off. I'm selfish in that, if I pay more now, our country is better off, I win. If they stay poor and in the projects and housing values go down, we all lose.
 

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Personally, I'm liberal on many views, and conservative on some. After arguing senselessly with family members on numerous topics, I noticed a frequent theme in our discussions. This isn't meant to be an attack on conservatives, but rather an observation of how I see the conflicts arise.

It seems like conservatives generally are unwilling to make sacrafices that would make a positive impact on our country - sacrafices that liberals are willing to make. And this decision to do so is disguised as unconditional loyalty to the Constitution. They are unwilling to give up automatic weapons, even though it could save a few lives. They are unwilling to pay more taxes, even though it would improve our infrastructure and economy. Unwilling to vote for gay marraige, even though it would make millions of people equal and happy. Unwilling to reform healthcare even though it would provide care for millions who don't have it......and the list goes on. As Obama pointed out, the general idea is that conservatives have an "every man for themselves and survival of the fittest" mentality, whereas liberals believe some issues are meant to be built and shared together.

With liberals tending to be more willing to make these sacrafices, it is seen by conservatives as a seizure of our individual rights, and a hinderance to prosperity and innovation. So my question for the conservatives is, what sacrafices are you willing to make to make our country better?


Although conservatives like to talk about the constitution and rights these days, in reality I see conservatives trampling on the constitution more than liberals do. Limits on gay marriage is limiting someone's rights. Forcing religious based values on the entire population is limiting rights of others and is in clear violation on the constitution. Forcing women to have vaginal ultrasounds prior to an abortion is clearly taking away someone's liberty. The way I see it, Republicans have no right to claim they are the protector of the constitution and it makes me feel like vomiting when I hear that. Probably the only ones who can truly claim that are the Libertarians.

 

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Conservative policies by and large don't help the middle class. Here in Wisconsin Walker the Koch whore has implemented the highest corporate welfare in the country but has the lowest job creation. All these so called right to work states have the lowest wages and benefits and the worst unemployment and job creation rates.

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  posted on 2/22/2013 at 10:56 PM
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Forcing religious based values on the entire population is limiting rights of others and is in clear violation on the constitution.


Specifically, what religious value or values have been forced on you?

 

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Forcing religious based values on the entire population is limiting rights of others and is in clear violation on the constitution.


Specifically, what religious value or values have been forced on you?


On me, none. On others such as gays or women who want birth control, those examples are easy to find.

 

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It seems like conservatives generally are unwilling to make sacrafices that would make a positive impact on our country - sacrafices that liberals are willing to make. They are unwilling to give up automatic weapons, even though it could save a few lives.


Question: What automatic weapons are you talking about? Please be specific.

 

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Forcing religious based values on the entire population is limiting rights of others and is in clear violation on the constitution.


Specifically, what religious value or values have been forced on you?


On me, none. On others such as gays or women who want birth control, those examples are easy to find.


Most conservatives don't want to ban birth control or discriminate against gays. So why paint with such a broad brush?

 

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Most conservatives don't want to ban birth control or discriminate against gays. So why paint with such a broad brush?


Wow thats sure not what it looked and sounded like at the Republican convention in Tampa. Again if what you say is true you better start trying to wrestle back the narrative of your party from the far right extremists who currently are dictating to the rest of you so called reasonable ones.

 

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Most conservatives don't want to ban birth control or discriminate against gays. So why paint with such a broad brush?


Wow thats sure not what it looked and sounded like at the Republican convention in Tampa. Again if what you say is true you better start trying to wrestle back the narrative of your party from the far right extremists who currently are dictating to the rest of you so called reasonable ones.


Or what? No matter how much wrestling could take place, this is still what the drama queens on the left will focus on.

 

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Most conservatives don't want to ban birth control or discriminate against gays. So why paint with such a broad brush?


Wow thats sure not what it looked and sounded like at the Republican convention in Tampa. Again if what you say is true you better start trying to wrestle back the narrative of your party from the far right extremists who currently are dictating to the rest of you so called reasonable ones.


Or what? No matter how much wrestling could take place, this is still what the drama queens on the left will focus on.


Drama queens? Nice. In the meantime, these are core issues for the GOP that are IN THE GOP PLATFORM (I watched some of the debate on the specific planks on C-SPAN last summer, it was very interesting). But only drama queens take them seriously I guess.

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Most conservatives don't want to ban birth control or discriminate against gays. So why paint with such a broad brush?


Wow thats sure not what it looked and sounded like at the Republican convention in Tampa. Again if what you say is true you better start trying to wrestle back the narrative of your party from the far right extremists who currently are dictating to the rest of you so called reasonable ones.


Or what? No matter how much wrestling could take place, this is still what the drama queens on the left will focus on.


Drama queens? Nice. In the meantime, these are core issues for the GOP that are IN THE GOP PLATFORM (I watched some of the debate on the specific planks on C-SPAN last summer, it was very interesting). But only drama queens take them seriously I guess.

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That's great, but the juxtaposition of Pete's comments look forward, not back, and I responded accordingly.

 

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Most conservatives don't want to ban birth control or discriminate against gays. So why paint with such a broad brush?


Wow thats sure not what it looked and sounded like at the Republican convention in Tampa. Again if what you say is true you better start trying to wrestle back the narrative of your party from the far right extremists who currently are dictating to the rest of you so called reasonable ones.


Or what? No matter how much wrestling could take place, this is still what the drama queens on the left will focus on.


Drama queens? Nice. In the meantime, these are core issues for the GOP that are IN THE GOP PLATFORM (I watched some of the debate on the specific planks on C-SPAN last summer, it was very interesting). But only drama queens take them seriously I guess.

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That's great, but the juxtaposition of Pete's comments look forward, not back, and I responded accordingly.


No idea what you mean. But I do know that I am just a simple guy, and from where I sit I can see that Pete commented about what he heard from the GOP convention with regard to the party line on gay rights and women's reproductive rights, to which you "responded accordingly" by saying these are things that only "drama queens" focus on, to which I "responded accordingly" by reminding you that these are issues the GOP is focused on as evidenced by the fact that they are in the GOP party platform. Perhaps you are suggesting that the GOP is a party of drama queens, or perhaps you meant that the GOP will be removing these issues from their platform in the future, but I tend to doubt that you meant either of those things.

(I also mentioned how "nice" <sarcasm> it is that you chose apply the pejorative "drama queens" to people who care about gay rights and women's reproductive rights, but I stopped short of calling it out as a bigotted remark in the interest of giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was just a poor choice of words and you didn't actually mean it as a slur)




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  posted on 3/1/2013 at 01:34 PM
I see the divide a little differently and perhaps a bit more simply.

To me thinking like a "Liberal" is defined as Idealistic or hopeful to the degree of Impulsive intuition that is usually found in youth. The need to care for or look out for everyone and the expectation that everyone will agree.

To me thinking like a "Conservative" is defined as being more centrally located to friends and family, immediate community. Personal Responsibility and absolute bewilderment as to why most can't take care of themselves.

 

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Statements that the President is a socialist or just a community organizer don't do much to advance any attempt to reach a solution. At best they serve to illustrate the reasons for government dysfunctionality, at worst they display a profound disconnect from reality (I could have said that differently but I'm trying not be inflammatory). If our goal as a nation is to move forward, provide the opportunities for economic and social improvement - or at least allow those opportunities to be created - and to be a positive force internationally, then it's time to recognize that there is no single unifying theory or philosophy of governing. Capitalism, democracy, socialism, communism, fascism, monarchy, conservatism, liberalism, libertarianism, totalitarianism and anarchism all have inherent practical weaknesses (some more so than others) that become evident as the scale of their application increases. They also, of course, have some strengths that cannot be denied. But I would say that their weaknesses overwhelm their strengths because each of these philosophies are populated by adherents who control the message and reinforce their own beliefs with the message they create. As long as that message stays the same then there is an increasing tendency to overlook the one chief weakness which applies to all political philosophies: they presuppose that all people or readily identifiable groups of people are motivated by the same thing.

The obvious question is: What is that thing? Are people motivated to be good or bad? Are they motivated by altruism or selfishness? Are they motivated by fear? Need? Desire? How about Faith? I would suggest that people are motivated by all of these things in varying degrees over time. As those changes occur, the "leaders" need to be aware of and respond to those changes in positive ways that accommodate all of the competing interests. When the leaders fail to do this or fail to acknowledge that changes have occurred or fail to find solutions as between themselves, then the entire system starts to break down. The political or economic doctrines listed above are, in essence, a systemic response to a perception of people's behavior. These systems are not in and of themselves completely right or wrong. There are pieces from each which can be complementary and useful. When leaders fail to recognize or refuse to consider the usefulness of a particular idea because it's a departure from their own orthodoxy then they have ceased being leaders.

On the other hand, I can't blame our "leaders" for being a bit confused. When people can't decide what they want, or say one thing but do another or act in truly random and arbitrary ways, then I suppose the safest thing for a leader to do is fall back on orthodoxy. It won't move anything forward but it does provide some comfort and security - for a while.

 

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Most conservatives don't want to ban birth control or discriminate against gays. So why paint with such a broad brush?


Wow thats sure not what it looked and sounded like at the Republican convention in Tampa. Again if what you say is true you better start trying to wrestle back the narrative of your party from the far right extremists who currently are dictating to the rest of you so called reasonable ones.


It's not my party.

 

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I see the divide a little differently and perhaps a bit more simply.

To me thinking like a "Liberal" is defined as Idealistic or hopeful to the degree of Impulsive intuition that is usually found in youth. The need to care for or look out for everyone and the expectation that everyone will agree.

To me thinking like a "Conservative" is defined as being more centrally located to friends and family, immediate community. Personal Responsibility and absolute bewilderment as to why most can't take care of themselves.


In the modern and fairest sense I see "liberal" as being a synonym for "Statist" meaning a belief that the best way to help people and move the nation forward is through government action.

In the modern sense I see conservative as meaning anti-statist, meaning the belief that the private sector, generally, is the better engine for progress and moving the nation forward. Most Americans fall somewhere in between and neither ideology cares more for people than the other. I think it is unfair and shuts down debate when one side says the other is mean or doesn't care.

 

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I see the divide a little differently and perhaps a bit more simply.

To me thinking like a "Liberal" is defined as Idealistic or hopeful to the degree of Impulsive intuition that is usually found in youth. The need to care for or look out for everyone and the expectation that everyone will agree.

To me thinking like a "Conservative" is defined as being more centrally located to friends and family, immediate community. Personal Responsibility and absolute bewilderment as to why most can't take care of themselves.


In the modern and fairest sense I see "liberal" as being a synonym for "Statist" meaning a belief that the best way to help people and move the nation forward is through government action.

In the modern sense I see conservative as meaning anti-statist, meaning the belief that the private sector, generally, is the better engine for progress and moving the nation forward. Most Americans fall somewhere in between and neither ideology cares more for people than the other. I think it is unfair and shuts down debate when one side says the other is mean or doesn't care.


You can debate what the words mean all day, but the bigger issue is that most people are not liberal or conservative, they fall someplace in the middle. It's just not as simple as defining the labels and then applying them.

 

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Personally, I'm liberal on many views, and conservative on some. After arguing senselessly with family members on numerous topics, I noticed a frequent theme in our discussions. This isn't meant to be an attack on conservatives, but rather an observation of how I see the conflicts arise.

It seems like conservatives generally are unwilling to make sacrafices that would make a positive impact on our country - sacrafices that liberals are willing to make. And this decision to do so is disguised as unconditional loyalty to the Constitution. They are unwilling to give up automatic weapons, even though it could save a few lives. They are unwilling to pay more taxes, even though it would improve our infrastructure and economy. Unwilling to vote for gay marraige, even though it would make millions of people equal and happy. Unwilling to reform healthcare even though it would provide care for millions who don't have it......and the list goes on. As Obama pointed out, the general idea is that conservatives have an "every man for themselves and survival of the fittest" mentality, whereas liberals believe some issues are meant to be built and shared together.

With liberals tending to be more willing to make these sacrafices, it is seen by conservatives as a seizure of our individual rights, and a hinderance to prosperity and innovation. So my question for the conservatives is, what sacrafices are you willing to make to make our country better?


Liberals and conservatives are all obnoxious jerks but for different reasons. They love to think of themselves as thinkers of a higher level. Bunch of idiots who divide our country with their intolerant attitudes.

 

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Most conservatives don't want to ban birth control or discriminate against gays. So why paint with such a broad brush?


Wow thats sure not what it looked and sounded like at the Republican convention in Tampa. Again if what you say is true you better start trying to wrestle back the narrative of your party from the far right extremists who currently are dictating to the rest of you so called reasonable ones.


It's not my party.


Interesting, considering most of the stances you take align very closely.

 

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I see the divide a little differently and perhaps a bit more simply.

To me thinking like a "Liberal" is defined as Idealistic or hopeful to the degree of Impulsive intuition that is usually found in youth. The need to care for or look out for everyone and the expectation that everyone will agree.

To me thinking like a "Conservative" is defined as being more centrally located to friends and family, immediate community. Personal Responsibility and absolute bewilderment as to why most can't take care of themselves.


In the modern and fairest sense I see "liberal" as being a synonym for "Statist" meaning a belief that the best way to help people and move the nation forward is through government action.

In the modern sense I see conservative as meaning anti-statist, meaning the belief that the private sector, generally, is the better engine for progress and moving the nation forward. Most Americans fall somewhere in between and neither ideology cares more for people than the other. I think it is unfair and shuts down debate when one side says the other is mean or doesn't care.


You can debate what the words mean all day, but the bigger issue is that most people are not liberal or conservative, they fall someplace in the middle. It's just not as simple as defining the labels and then applying them.


I agree. The people on this board have labeled me conservative but I have never considered myself to be ideologically pure.

 

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Most conservatives don't want to ban birth control or discriminate against gays. So why paint with such a broad brush?


Wow thats sure not what it looked and sounded like at the Republican convention in Tampa. Again if what you say is true you better start trying to wrestle back the narrative of your party from the far right extremists who currently are dictating to the rest of you so called reasonable ones.


It's not my party.




Interesting, considering most of the stances you take align very closely.


It's worked out that way in recent years. Because I think the Democratic party has moved dramatically away from me on many if not most issues. But I am interested in issues not parties. I have voted for both parties and as I have said many times mistakenly voted for Obama in 2008. In fact from 2000-2012 I voted D, R, D, R. So I guess that puts me in the middle and certainly not a Republican. I remain a registered Democrat though I am an Independent.

 

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Personally, I'm liberal on many views, and conservative on some. After arguing senselessly with family members on numerous topics, I noticed a frequent theme in our discussions. This isn't meant to be an attack on conservatives, but rather an observation of how I see the conflicts arise.

It seems like conservatives generally are unwilling to make sacrafices that would make a positive impact on our country - sacrafices that liberals are willing to make. And this decision to do so is disguised as unconditional loyalty to the Constitution. They are unwilling to give up automatic weapons, even though it could save a few lives. They are unwilling to pay more taxes, even though it would improve our infrastructure and economy. Unwilling to vote for gay marraige, even though it would make millions of people equal and happy. Unwilling to reform healthcare even though it would provide care for millions who don't have it......and the list goes on. As Obama pointed out, the general idea is that conservatives have an "every man for themselves and survival of the fittest" mentality, whereas liberals believe some issues are meant to be built and shared together.

With liberals tending to be more willing to make these sacrafices, it is seen by conservatives as a seizure of our individual rights, and a hinderance to prosperity and innovation. So my question for the conservatives is, what sacrafices are you willing to make to make our country better?


Do you seriously take this drivel you spew out as a look at the division between parties?

what automatic weapons? they have been under NFA rules and regulations since 1934.

Sacrifices ? you mean giving to those that do not want to work? or those dependent on the Government for whatever reason?

Pay more taxes LMAO how many taxes do you pay right now that are way beyond unfair to any American? we are taxed to death now and you want more to pay for what? more social programs ?Obama phones? fast and furious,more inept Benghazi crap? or do you want more free stuff like food and education for illegal immigrants, what? what is it you as a liberal want?

The Constitution try reading it try being more self reliant I want nothing from the government that i have not earned or like SS i have put money into contrary to dem's ideas it is not a entitlement... I earned that money it belongs to me!

ever since the first depression the American people have grown more and more on the teat of the Roosevelt doctrine and it has all but ruined this country that once was a maker of everything, we supplied everything we needed by making it and inventing it ourselves, we are made up of all peoples from around the world and I welcome them all if they are legal, not if they enter illegally.

Guns are what formed this Country get used to it .

If you think you are well taken care of by the Government take a longer look at the Native Americans of this country pretty much forgotten and shoved to the back shelf....

read these thoughts all from one man Thomas Jefferson then rethink your arguments it is not dems and repubs it is politicans in general they are fat and lazy and greedy all of them.

"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson

"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
-- Thomas Jefferson

Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

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It seems like conservatives generally are unwilling to make sacrafices that would make a positive impact on our country - sacrafices that liberals are willing to make. They are unwilling to give up automatic weapons, even though it could save a few lives.


Question: What automatic weapons are you talking about? Please be specific.


Can I get you to please answer the question. You do know the difference between automatic and semi-automaic.

 

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Can I get you to please answer the question. You do know the difference between automatic and semi-automaic.


I'm not really interested in another specific gun control debate. I was trying to focus on the fundamental differences of the two parties.

To answer your question, I'm referring to assault weapons that hold more than a dozen rounds. Keep your semi-automatic pistols, but would you be willing to ban AR-15's and machine guns to prevent another mass shooting? I would hope so.




 
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