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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 07:39 PM
Finally an obvious common sense move that should have been implemented years ago.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 08:19 PM
Let me state that I am not Republican and certainly not a tea partier. I support the post office and DO NOT want it done away with like the tea bag Republicans do. I just think that there are some common sense moves that would benefit the post office and it's employees regardless of the pension funding regulations imposed by Congress which are obviosly bogus. I think that both ending those pension funding regulations as well as making adjustments like stopping Saturday delivery will benefit everyone in the end and there are probably even more cost cutting decisions that could be made.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 08:27 PM
Good for them. If the government would leave them alone they could be self sufficient selling stamps. They provide a living wage for over half million people yet certain political forces want to privatize it. Every year they are forced to pay over $5 billion in prefunded retirement benefits for people who don't even work there yet. Some forces want to bust the countries largest union and hire part time workers with minimal benefits. all to line a few folks pockets.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 09:01 PM
It's a terrible move for millions of people who live in rural areas and depend on Saturday mail delivery. As always follow the money, the main proponents of this ridiculous move got huge campaign contributions from UPS and Fed Ex.

 

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  posted on 2/6/2013 at 10:35 PM
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It's a terrible move for millions of people who live in rural areas and depend on Saturday mail delivery. As always follow the money, the main proponents of this ridiculous move got huge campaign contributions from UPS and Fed Ex.


The postal service is losing billions. Something had to be done. As usual, the reactionaries just attack any reform no matter what it is without offering an alternative.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2013 at 12:40 PM
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Good for them. If the government would leave them alone they could be self sufficient selling stamps. They provide a living wage for over half million people yet certain political forces want to privatize it. Every year they are forced to pay over $5 billion in prefunded retirement benefits for people who don't even work there yet. Some forces want to bust the countries largest union and hire part time workers with minimal benefits. all to line a few folks pockets.


Good post. It's good to see detail & fact you posted.

The pension funding debacle mandated by Congress plays a large role in the financial problems. Those who don't understand this just attribute the bottom line losses to other causes, and that is nothing but naive. If and when the postal service goes away, see how quickly people will realize that void may not easily be filled.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2013 at 03:02 PM
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If the government would leave them alone they could be self sufficient selling stamps. They provide a living wage for over half million people yet certain political forces want to privatize it.

Just a little observation; but wouldn't "leaving them alone to sell stamps" be the functional equivilent of privatizing?

What business can survive today paying average salaries of $80k/yr to a mostly manual, low-skilled labor staff? I like my local delivery person, but I know their routine. They get in and sort their route, are on the road by late morning, and done delivering by late afternoon. While it's a valued service, it doesn't require much of the individuals involved outside of basic attention. The skills involved certainly don't justify average salaries almost 2x the national average, with gold-plated benefits to boot.

 

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  posted on 2/7/2013 at 04:55 PM
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If the government would leave them alone they could be self sufficient selling stamps. They provide a living wage for over half million people yet certain political forces want to privatize it.

Just a little observation; but wouldn't "leaving them alone to sell stamps" be the functional equivilent of privatizing?

What business can survive today paying average salaries of $80k/yr to a mostly manual, low-skilled labor staff? I like my local delivery person, but I know their routine. They get in and sort their route, are on the road by late morning, and done delivering by late afternoon. While it's a valued service, it doesn't require much of the individuals involved outside of basic attention. The skills involved certainly don't justify average salaries almost 2x the national average, with gold-plated benefits to boot.



I don't know who you know but none of the mail carriers I know are making 80K and they have been there for over 20 years. The problem isn't with over paying in places like NYC and Long Island where I live and cost of living sucks. The problem with the Post Office is that a mail carrier on LI or NYC make the exact same salary as someone living in rural Florida, or rural Mississippi, or rural Kansas where the cost of living is a fraction of that in NYC or LI. IMO salaries should be adjusted like they are in any other field of work according to where they live. A mail carrier in rural Kansas makes a lot more money than the same mail carrier makes in NYC or on Long Island or any other large population area. If I were a mail carrier or anykind of Postal worker I would try to transfer to a rural area where my salary would go much, much further compared with living somewhere like NY.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2013 at 08:28 PM
I'm pretty sure our carriers down here don't make that kind of money. And I really appreciate the hard work they do. I don't want to see the post office privatized and that's what congress is trying to do with it. If they'd stop the ridiculous pre-funding of pension funds for people not working there yet they'd have a chance. I mean come one....look at how many people lost their pensions when wall street about went belly up....no one has said other companies have to prefund their pension funds.

 

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  posted on 2/9/2013 at 11:28 PM
The Post Office needs to go back to being a government agency, not the semi-detached thing it became when it was changed to the United States Postal Service.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2013 at 12:15 AM
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Good for them. If the government would leave them alone they could be self sufficient selling stamps. They provide a living wage for over half million people yet certain political forces want to privatize it. Every year they are forced to pay over $5 billion in prefunded retirement benefits for people who don't even work there yet. Some forces want to bust the countries largest union and hire part time workers with minimal benefits. all to line a few folks pockets.


Good post. It's good to see detail & fact you posted.

The pension funding debacle mandated by Congress plays a large role in the financial problems. Those who don't understand this just attribute the bottom line losses to other causes, and that is nothing but naive. If and when the postal service goes away, see how quickly people will realize that void may not easily be filled.


I think that's it in a nutshell...I'm not totally up to speed on this topic but I think the USPS was doing just fine financially up until 2006 when changes were made to have the USPS make payments of $5.4 - $5.8 billion into the Postal Service Retiree Health Benefits Fund, each year, from 2007 to 2016 in order to prefund 75 years of estimated costs.

10 years to prefund 75 years...?

 

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  posted on 2/10/2013 at 08:49 AM
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Good for them. If the government would leave them alone they could be self sufficient selling stamps. They provide a living wage for over half million people yet certain political forces want to privatize it. Every year they are forced to pay over $5 billion in prefunded retirement benefits for people who don't even work there yet. Some forces want to bust the countries largest union and hire part time workers with minimal benefits. all to line a few folks pockets.


I read the pre-funded bit too; and it scared me for a different reason. Essentially, the rest of the govt's pensions are unfunded. That is a big part of the fiscal cliff - themoney collected to date doesn't meet obligations that are outstanding.

 

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  posted on 2/10/2013 at 08:57 AM
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It's a terrible move for millions of people who live in rural areas and depend on Saturday mail delivery. As always follow the money, the main proponents of this ridiculous move got huge campaign contributions from UPS and Fed Ex.


How would this hurt rural people any more than anyone else and how does it really hurt anyone to have one less delivery day???? The post office will still be open for people to do business if they want to go there. 2 billion in savings each year just by cutting Saturday mail delivery. That is common sense management.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2013 at 06:41 PM
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If the government would leave them alone they could be self sufficient selling stamps. They provide a living wage for over half million people yet certain political forces want to privatize it.

Just a little observation; but wouldn't "leaving them alone to sell stamps" be the functional equivilent of privatizing?

What business can survive today paying average salaries of $80k/yr to a mostly manual, low-skilled labor staff? I like my local delivery person, but I know their routine. They get in and sort their route, are on the road by late morning, and done delivering by late afternoon. While it's a valued service, it doesn't require much of the individuals involved outside of basic attention. The skills involved certainly don't justify average salaries almost 2x the national average, with gold-plated benefits to boot.



I don't know who you know but none of the mail carriers I know are making 80K and they have been there for over 20 years. The problem isn't with over paying in places like NYC and Long Island where I live and cost of living sucks. The problem with the Post Office is that a mail carrier on LI or NYC make the exact same salary as someone living in rural Florida, or rural Mississippi, or rural Kansas where the cost of living is a fraction of that in NYC or LI. IMO salaries should be adjusted like they are in any other field of work according to where they live. A mail carrier in rural Kansas makes a lot more money than the same mail carrier makes in NYC or on Long Island or any other large population area. If I were a mail carrier or anykind of Postal worker I would try to transfer to a rural area where my salary would go much, much further compared with living somewhere like NY.


I think you have a valid point. Salaries should be guaged to the region where the person lives, so that everyone has a living wage. Here on Long Island that would be $52,000 for one person. Most families make $80,000 +. Mortgages are ridiculous with new families having to come up with more than $3,000 per month for their houses. The postal workers provide a needed and desirable service and they should be allowed a living wage, and they should get cost of living increases. If the workers would agree to accept a living wage for the area where they live, maybe that would help; but like the Auto Workers, the Union would rather get the highest salaries even if it means sacrificing jobs. It is better to have everyone working at slightly lower wages than the way it is now. As for the pensions, it should be a fair living wage.

 

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