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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 08:51 PM
I don't want to be accused of hijacking anybody elses thread, but want you to be aware what has been done in NY, because other states may like some of the ideas and implement similar legislation where you are. Obama will unveil his plan tomorrow.

In NYS today they passed what is called:

The Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act

Some of the things in the law are:

The bill expands on the state's pre-existing assault weapons ban and also outlaws guns with any "military-style features." People who already own such guns can keep them, but must register their weapons with the state. It will also add new tracking measures for ammunition dealers and bullet sales.

It also puts new purchase restriction on people who are deemed mentally ill. In a potentially controversial change, health officials must now report patients they believe to be a danger to others, and such reporting would authorize police to confiscate any firearm those patients already own. The concern is that gun-owning patients won't seek treatment out of fear they will lose their weapons.

The measure also mandates a life sentence without parole for anyone who murders a first responder.

•Bans possession of any high-capacity magazines regardless of when they were made or sold. Only clips able to hold up to seven rounds can be sold in the state. Clips able to hold seven to 10 rounds can be possessed, but cannot be loaded with more than seven rounds. If an owner is found to have eight or more bullets in a magazine, he or she could face a misdemeanor charge.

[That is right you cannot even have the gun that you currently own fully loaded with more than seven rounds, even while you are in your own home].

•Requires ammunition dealers to do background checks, similar to those for gun buyers. Dealers are required to report all sales, including amounts, to the state. Internet sales of ammunition are allowed, but the ammunition will have to be shipped to a licensed dealer in New York state for pickup.

•Requires creation of a registry of assault weapons. Those New Yorkers who already own such weapons would be required to register their guns with the state.
[They want to know where the owners are so if they want to they can come confiscate the weapons at a later date].

•Requires any therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat of harming others to report the threat to a mental health director, who would then have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her, as well.

•Stipulates that stolen guns should be reported within 24 hours.

I think there will be a lot of legal challenges to this legislation since things like what a person possessed prior to the law being implemented complied with Constitutional law, and federal law supersedes state law for one thing.

Secondly, how can they tell someone they are not allowed to have their existing guns loaded in the privacy of their own homes for personal protection, when the Constitution says the rights of the people to bear arms shall not be infringed upon. Again, federal law.

Newslinks:

http://news.yahoo.com/york-state-pushes-ahead-own-gun-control-law-122043777 .html

http://news.yahoo.com/york-presses-measures-tighten-gun-control-laws-063818 765.html

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/15/16515653-new-york-passes-major-g un-control-law-first-since-newtown-massacre?lite

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/state_legislature_passes_nation_XfMelxOZ 8y8hTj9VA7R7XJ



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  posted on 1/15/2013 at 08:57 PM
this is cave man politics.. and just another state i will never go to or support in any way... those that live there I feel your pain... all the best

 

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You are not hijacking any thread if you are referring to me I can assure you I don't mind. New York is just a start. Wayne LaPierre and the NRA are outraged. Too freakin bad Wayne & Co.
Babies being slaughtered is the outrage. The day is going to come when we get all guns confiscated and I will work towards that end.

And the right to bear arms will be infringed because the useless antiquated militia is not well regulated as the amendment says it should be and it will never be.

See below: copy and paste, not my words but I agree 100%

Tue Dec 25, 2012 at 02:39 PM PST
What IS a well-regulated militia?

by DocChapFollow


The strongest argument for gun control is found in the 2nd amendment itself, which reads:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Read it again:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

What does "well regulated" mean? In District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), the U.S. Supreme Court stated that

the adjective 'well-regulated' implies nothing more than the imposition of proper discipline and training.

What is the mechanism by which "proper discipline and training" is provided to members of this militia? How well disciplined was Adam Lanza? James Holmes? Jared Loughner? Cho Seung Hui?

Until this so-called militia is being adequately regulated, the purported right of the people to keep and bear arms MUST be infringed. If it is not regulated (or infringed upon), such a militia actually undermines and threatens the security of the state.

 

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Adam Lanza was a person with developmental disablities who should not have been able to have access to weapos as he also had issues with being able to handle his feelings and anger. All his Mother had to do was secue her weapons so that he did not have access, and at night for her own protection she could have just kept a glock in a shoe box in her closet for quick access in case of a burglar and she should have kept her bedroom door locked so Adam could not come in while she was sleeping get up on a chair and get her loaded handgun. Each morning she should have put the gun back in her gun safe.

I do agree with you that people should be properly trained in how to use their weapons and exercise discipline to prevent accidents at home. If they want to take their gun somewhere they should have a carry license.

As to the "well regulated militia", I think the people of this country have a right to be their own militia against the tyranny that the original founding forefathers intended. They did not want any more tyrannical government , if you think Washington is bad now, imagine what it was like for those guys when they were setting up the country, the debates they had.

Do citizens have the right to be a common man militia and defend their homes, and lives against mobs that may come out if the government fails, or becomes tyrannical and Nazi like? I think the answer should be yes, we are a people based on freedom and we do not want to give that up to any regime that could become totalitarian in nature. It happened in other civilized countries, it could happen again, anywhere.

 

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All his Mother had to do was secue her weapons so that he did not have access, and at night for her own protection she could have just kept a glock in a shoe box in her closet for quick access in case of a burglar and she should have kept her bedroom door locked so Adam could not come in while she was sleeping get up on a chair and get her loaded handgun. Each morning she should have put the gun back in her gun safe.




And she didn't, wake up, not everyone should have the right to own a gun. Now you have 100's of people's lives shattered because she was not respondsible with her guns.

No one should have the right to own a gun without proper testing and a background check. Just like you need a licence to drive a car why not a the same for guns????

 

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Adam Lanza was a person with developmental disablities who should not have been able to have access to weapos as he also had issues with being able to handle his feelings and anger. All his Mother had to do was secue her weapons so that he did not have access, and at night for her own protection she could have just kept a glock in a shoe box in her closet for quick access in case of a burglar and she should have kept her bedroom door locked so Adam could not come in while she was sleeping get up on a chair and get her loaded handgun. Each morning she should have put the gun back in her gun safe.

I do agree with you that people should be properly trained in how to use their weapons and exercise discipline to prevent accidents at home. If they want to take their gun somewhere they should have a carry license.

As to the "well regulated militia", I think the people of this country have a right to be their own militia against the tyranny that the original founding forefathers intended. They did not want any more tyrannical government , if you think Washington is bad now, imagine what it was like for those guys when they were setting up the country, the debates they had.

Do citizens have the right to be a common man militia and defend their homes, and lives against mobs that may come out if the government fails, or becomes tyrannical and Nazi like? I think the answer should be yes, we are a people based on freedom and we do not want to give that up to any regime that could become totalitarian in nature. It happened in other civilized countries, it could happen again, anywhere.


I understand the arguments and respect people's rights to them. I also don't accept the arguments. By 2015 fatalities from guns will exceed traffic fatalities.

We cannot handle guns in our society. We have proven it year after year after year and it is not just about mass shootings. Most are single shootings. Our country is a slaughterhouse. We tolerate it because of some obscure chance that we might need to defend ourselves from some future 'totalitarian regime' Possible? Yes. Probable? Highly unlikely.
Thousands of us slaughtered year after year? Definitely.

No guns at all and our gorgeous babies from Sandy Hook would still be snug in their beds tonight and waking up tomorrow for another joyous day being a little child. And all the other thousands missing from their families forever.


 

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The folks in Germany never questioned what was going on in their backyards and forests in the 30's and 40's. Those that did ended up in the places in their backyards and forests.


 

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Glad my state is taking the lead in enforcing common sense gun laws. It is about friggin' time!!!

I could give a cr@p whether that makes some people not want to visit as we have more than enough visitors here!

 

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Adam Lanza was a person with developmental disablities who should not have been able to have access to weapos as he also had issues with being able to handle his feelings and anger. All his Mother had to do was secue her weapons so that he did not have access, and at night for her own protection she could have just kept a glock in a shoe box in her closet for quick access in case of a burglar and she should have kept her bedroom door locked so Adam could not come in while she was sleeping get up on a chair and get her loaded handgun. Each morning she should have put the gun back in her gun safe.

I do agree with you that people should be properly trained in how to use their weapons and exercise discipline to prevent accidents at home. If they want to take their gun somewhere they should have a carry license.

As to the "well regulated militia", I think the people of this country have a right to be their own militia against the tyranny that the original founding forefathers intended. They did not want any more tyrannical government , if you think Washington is bad now, imagine what it was like for those guys when they were setting up the country, the debates they had.

Do citizens have the right to be a common man militia and defend their homes, and lives against mobs that may come out if the government fails, or becomes tyrannical and Nazi like? I think the answer should be yes, we are a people based on freedom and we do not want to give that up to any regime that could become totalitarian in nature. It happened in other civilized countries, it could happen again, anywhere.


I understand the arguments and respect people's rights to them. I also don't accept the arguments. By 2015 fatalities from guns will exceed traffic fatalities.

We cannot handle guns in our society. We have proven it year after year after year and it is not just about mass shootings. Most are single shootings. Our country is a slaughterhouse. We tolerate it because of some obscure chance that we might need to defend ourselves from some future 'totalitarian regime' Possible? Yes. Probable? Highly unlikely.
Thousands of us slaughtered year after year? Definitely.

No guns at all and our gorgeous babies from Sandy Hook would still be snug in their beds tonight and waking up tomorrow for another joyous day being a little child. And all the other thousands missing from their families forever.






May i suggest you watch a video entitled---The Sandy Hook Shooting-Fully Exposed.
I imagine it might be too deep for your mind to travel,but watch it anyway.Yeah yeah yeah ,,it's on youtube,,,,STILL WATCH IT!

 

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May i suggest you watch a video entitled---The Sandy Hook Shooting-Fully Exposed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wx9GxXYKx_8&bpctr=1358322073

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Adam Lanza was a person with developmental disablities who should not have been able to have access to weapos as he also had issues with being able to handle his feelings and anger. All his Mother had to do was secue her weapons so that he did not have access, and at night for her own protection she could have just kept a glock in a shoe box in her closet for quick access in case of a burglar and she should have kept her bedroom door locked so Adam could not come in while she was sleeping get up on a chair and get her loaded handgun. Each morning she should have put the gun back in her gun safe.

I do agree with you that people should be properly trained in how to use their weapons and exercise discipline to prevent accidents at home. If they want to take their gun somewhere they should have a carry license.

As to the "well regulated militia", I think the people of this country have a right to be their own militia against the tyranny that the original founding forefathers intended. They did not want any more tyrannical government , if you think Washington is bad now, imagine what it was like for those guys when they were setting up the country, the debates they had.

Do citizens have the right to be a common man militia and defend their homes, and lives against mobs that may come out if the government fails, or becomes tyrannical and Nazi like? I think the answer should be yes, we are a people based on freedom and we do not want to give that up to any regime that could become totalitarian in nature. It happened in other civilized countries, it could happen again, anywhere.


I understand the arguments and respect people's rights to them. I also don't accept the arguments. By 2015 fatalities from guns will exceed traffic fatalities.

We cannot handle guns in our society. We have proven it year after year after year and it is not just about mass shootings. Most are single shootings. Our country is a slaughterhouse. We tolerate it because of some obscure chance that we might need to defend ourselves from some future 'totalitarian regime' Possible? Yes. Probable? Highly unlikely.
Thousands of us slaughtered year after year? Definitely.

No guns at all and our gorgeous babies from Sandy Hook would still be snug in their beds tonight and waking up tomorrow for another joyous day being a little child. And all the other thousands missing from their families forever.


You're gonna make me cry..... How many people did T. McVeigh kill with FERTILIZER?....Let's ban that too.

Gimme a f'n break. "some obscure chance that we might need to defend ourselves from some future totalitarian regime"....ask the Japanese interred during WWII how that "obscure chance" worked out.

Perhaps the self anointed King Obama will save the day and just declare all guns illegal.

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Glad my state is taking the lead in enforcing common sense gun laws. It is about friggin' time!!!


Well, I'll agree here... States rights issue, in no way do I want the feds making this call.

 

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We cannot handle guns in our society.


I respectfully disagree. Criminals and mentally ill people can't handle guns (or maybe they handle them too well). I have seen estimates on gun ownership anywhere from 190 million to 300 million. For arguments sake, let's be conservative and take the 190 million. With those kinds of numbers, we should have a lot more problems if guns were actually the problem. For the most part, gun owners are responsible people. However, for some reason, the debate has been framed to lop the responsible owners in with the nuts. Why does it matter if a responsible gun owner wants to have a magazine that holds more than 7 bullets?

Do we really think the criminals and nuts in the state of NY or anywhere else are going to obey the law? Chicago has some of the toughest gun laws in the country, and they have more gun deaths than a literal war zone (Afghanistan). So in Cuomo's world, only criminals and government can have more than 7 rounds in their weapon.

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You're gonna make me cry..... How many people did T. McVeigh kill with FERTILIZER?....Let's ban that too.




There seem to be a rash of people getting hit by subway trains this year. Just last night, two people were hit by two separate subways in the same station in Harlem. We need to get rid of those trains. Or as the argument goes, why do we need so many subways? People don't need so many of these dangerous trains.

 

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There seem to be a rash of people getting hit by subway trains this year. Just last night, two people were hit by two separate subways in the same station in Harlem. We need to get rid of those trains. Or as the argument goes, why do we need so many subways? People don't need so many of these dangerous trains.


Wow your right, Subways we're developed and constructed to move people efficiently sadly there are some deaths related to the speed and limitations of their braking systems.

Guns on the other hand we're developed and manufactured to kill, thats it!!! You can't compare the two.

Poisins we're developed to kill pests, clean, etc. and due to the risk of related to the poisons heavy restrictions, placarding, training are placed on the use and sale of these substances so why not guns????

Your way of thinking, that if your going to limit guns you should limit the sale of donuts because eventually you will eat too many and have a heart attack is ignorant and is disrespefuctful to the Sandy Hook children and all those effected by the lack gun control in the USA.

85% of the children killed by guns in the world lived in the good ol USA.

 

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There seem to be a rash of people getting hit by subway trains this year. Just last night, two people were hit by two separate subways in the same station in Harlem. We need to get rid of those trains.


The way Liberals love trains? Not on your life.

 

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There seem to be a rash of people getting hit by subway trains this year. Just last night, two people were hit by two separate subways in the same station in Harlem. We need to get rid of those trains.


The way Liberals love trains? Not on your life.


Since when are trains (or more specifically mass transit rail services) a partisan concept? I guess everything has to be us vs. them for some people.

 

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There seem to be a rash of people getting hit by subway trains this year. Just last night, two people were hit by two separate subways in the same station in Harlem. We need to get rid of those trains. Or as the argument goes, why do we need so many subways? People don't need so many of these dangerous trains.


Wow your right, Subways we're developed and constructed to move people efficiently sadly there are some deaths related to the speed and limitations of their braking systems.

Guns on the other hand we're developed and manufactured to kill, thats it!!! You can't compare the two.

Poisins we're developed to kill pests, clean, etc. and due to the risk of related to the poisons heavy restrictions, placarding, training are placed on the use and sale of these substances so why not guns????

Your way of thinking, that if your going to limit guns you should limit the sale of donuts because eventually you will eat too many and have a heart attack is ignorant and is disrespefuctful to the Sandy Hook children and all those effected by the lack gun control in the USA.

85% of the children killed by guns in the world lived in the good ol USA.




Must say, I've found some of the glib analogies on these gun threads coupled with boasting about how many more guns and ammo pro gun posters have bought/are buying, pretty perverse and sickening when those children were barely cold!

 

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Wow your right, Subways we're developed and constructed to move people efficiently sadly there are some deaths related to the speed and limitations of their braking systems.




The deaths this year have had nothing to do with braking systems, but rather with people, just like guns require people to pull the trigger. Yesterday, the one guy on the 6 train was taking a dump between cars (stupidity) and was killed, and the other was drunk walking on the tracks (also stupidity). The other deaths this year have come from people pushing people onto the tracks. Again, we have a people problem in this country. We have 190 million guns and

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There seem to be a rash of people getting hit by subway trains this year. Just last night, two people were hit by two separate subways in the same station in Harlem. We need to get rid of those trains.


The way Liberals love trains? Not on your life.


Since when are trains (or more specifically mass transit rail services) a partisan concept? I guess everything has to be us vs. them for some people.
No, he's totally right. All of the conservatives that I know in NYC drive a coal powered car to work. None of them take the subway.

 

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There seem to be a rash of people getting hit by subway trains this year. Just last night, two people were hit by two separate subways in the same station in Harlem. We need to get rid of those trains.


The way Liberals love trains? Not on your life.


Since when are trains (or more specifically mass transit rail services) a partisan concept? I guess everything has to be us vs. them for some people.
No, he's totally right. All of the conservatives that I know in NYC drive a coal powered car to work. None of them take the subway.


I didn't say that, but Liberals do seem to have more of a train fetish. Just an observation.

 

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There seem to be a rash of people getting hit by subway trains this year. Just last night, two people were hit by two separate subways in the same station in Harlem. We need to get rid of those trains.


The way Liberals love trains? Not on your life.


Since when are trains (or more specifically mass transit rail services) a partisan concept? I guess everything has to be us vs. them for some people.
No, he's totally right. All of the conservatives that I know in NYC drive a coal powered car to work. None of them take the subway.


I didn't say that, but Liberals do seem to have more of a train fetish. Just an observation.


Fair enough. But it is the same as saying conservatives seem to have more of a making-stuff-up fetish...some people may want to believe it, but that doesn't mean it is true. Neither statement serves any purpose other than perputuating the partisan rancor.

Personaly, any love I might have for trains probably traces back to this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDlTGhe3YoE <--Risky Business train ride scene

If I had to guess I would have suspected that Joel Goodsen and Lana were conservatives rather than liberals.




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what an ignorant and un-Constitutional move. I doubt many of the politicians in NY will remain after the next election. It is very sad to see this nation go down the path of socialism and nazi values.

 

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Adam Lanza was a person with developmental disablities who should not have been able to have access to weapos as he also had issues with being able to handle his feelings and anger. All his Mother had to do was secue her weapons so that he did not have access, and at night for her own protection she could have just kept a glock in a shoe box in her closet for quick access in case of a burglar and she should have kept her bedroom door locked so Adam could not come in while she was sleeping get up on a chair and get her loaded handgun. Each morning she should have put the gun back in her gun safe.

I do agree with you that people should be properly trained in how to use their weapons and exercise discipline to prevent accidents at home. If they want to take their gun somewhere they should have a carry license.

As to the "well regulated militia", I think the people of this country have a right to be their own militia against the tyranny that the original founding forefathers intended. They did not want any more tyrannical government , if you think Washington is bad now, imagine what it was like for those guys when they were setting up the country, the debates they had.

Do citizens have the right to be a common man militia and defend their homes, and lives against mobs that may come out if the government fails, or becomes tyrannical and Nazi like? I think the answer should be yes, we are a people based on freedom and we do not want to give that up to any regime that could become totalitarian in nature. It happened in other civilized countries, it could happen again, anywhere.


I understand the arguments and respect people's rights to them. I also don't accept the arguments. By 2015 fatalities from guns will exceed traffic fatalities.

We cannot handle guns in our society. We have proven it year after year after year and it is not just about mass shootings. Most are single shootings. Our country is a slaughterhouse. We tolerate it because of some obscure chance that we might need to defend ourselves from some future 'totalitarian regime' Possible? Yes. Probable? Highly unlikely.
Thousands of us slaughtered year after year? Definitely.

No guns at all and our gorgeous babies from Sandy Hook would still be snug in their beds tonight and waking up tomorrow for another joyous day being a little child. And all the other thousands missing from their families forever.






May i suggest you watch a video entitled---The Sandy Hook Shooting-Fully Exposed.
I imagine it might be too deep for your mind to travel,but watch it anyway.Yeah yeah yeah ,,it's on youtube,,,,STILL WATCH IT!



You recommend crap on youtube??? Get a life.
The day is coming when our govt. will finally confiscate all guns and repeal the 2nd. amendment and you can watch that on youtube when it happens.
It's coming and it is about time. You are not going to stop it no matter what you say. Get over it.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2013 at 10:05 PM
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what an ignorant and un-Constitutional move. I doubt many of the politicians in NY will remain after the next election. It is very sad to see this nation go down the path of socialism and nazi values.


Hopefully within ten years all guns of all types will be confiscated and melted down. It is coming and you can't stop it. It is about time.

I hope Charlton Heston is turning in his grave.

 

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