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  posted on 11/23/2012 at 08:37 PM
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Source: US Department of Health and Human Services, U.S. Department of Commerce, CATO Institute



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Welfare is the organized public or private social services for the assistance of disadvantaged groups. Aid could include general Welfare payments, health care through Medicaid, food stamps, special payments for pregnant women and young mothers, and federal and state housing benefits. The Welfare system in the United States began in the 1930s, during the Great Depression. Opponents of Welfare argue that it affects work incentives.
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Just posting for discussion, FYI, or not. Just posting . That is all.

My opinion, Welfare rolls need to be cut. Cut pay, cash incentives. That is ridiculous to give people cash every month.

Teen moms, etc., cut back. Streamline. YES, I believe in spreading the wealth and in this case, the wealth needs to be spread.
Spread it very thinly.
USA govt., bank the rest of it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002144229

My opinion....

YES, more Whites are on Food Stamps than Blacks but more of the Black population is on Food Stamps out of their population . Fewer Whites in their population are on Food Stamps.
Tit for tat. 2= 1+1 and 2=2. Grannie Smith Apples vs. Red Delicious Apples , both apples. Same thing.
For once, can we all stop this nonsense. BOTH populations are the same = too many people of Food Stamps. .

My opinion.... Food Stamps, from a Christian standpoint, from someone overweight because she buys with her hard earned money food, someone who likes and is a good cook, from someone who donates good, newly bought can/box foods to the church food pantry, etc., I believe people need to eat. We throw away so much at restaurants, schools (hold that thought), and even at home, I believe in giving people food.
In the school lunch program, too many choices of bad foods.
Fewer choices of good food would be better. Fruits, vegs, you should see what the kids throw away and I mean uneatened whole, apples, oranges, bananas, half kiwis, carrots in the bag.
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WIC
http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/aboutwic/wicataglance.htm
Breakdown of percentages by Ethnic groups on WIC. Stats don't lie. Once again, green apples and red apples are still apples.
http://www.fns.usda.gov/ora/menu/published/wic/FILES/PC2002.htm

My opinion......WIC is a redundant Food Stamp program. Do anyway with WIC.
I worked at a supermarket for about 6 months 2005-06. WIC customers recieve store brand dairy products ( milk, cream, cheese, etc.) and store brand grain foods ( cereal, rice, etc) as thus I can remember. I can tell you, that is all nutrious good eating. I work and pay for these prods and still buy the store brand and girll cheese, cereals cold or hot are good and healthy foods.
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Dental braces anyone?? Why yes, thank you.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2011/08/27/20110827texas-medicaid-pa ying-kids-braces.html
My opinion.... Dental braces are not a health need but a cosmetic need. I had dental brces growing up and my folks worked to pay for that. My dad took on yearly , seasonal work. He had a white collar, full-time job with inusurances, but still, for extra money, he did extra work.
here in Texas, it is epidemic to me how many kids in families on public aid I see in public schools with dental braces. It is as common as wearing hoodies or sneakers.
This program needs to be elimanted ASAP, but many orthrodontics docs. have entered a major payday, bonzana , big money making, hello new Mercedes and bigger home paycheck lotto in getting Meidicad payouts, LOL!!! Slap those dental braces on all the way to the bank.
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http://www.educationsector.org/publications/hidden-details-closer-look-stud ent-loan-default-rates
Student loans, rates, defaults, etc.

Loan is a loan. You have to pay it back. Pay it back. Have wages garnished for those who don't pay it back. Work out some kind of deal. No big deal.
Take out a loan based on need and use it for school, not clothes, expensive handbags, etc. Some people do this , wasteful, and many other use the loans for school and pay it back on time or at some kind of regular rate until it is paid off.
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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 12:24 AM
I don't have a problem with food assistance....I do have a problem with the way J.P. Morgan makes millions off issuing them. Something is wrong on upper levels before it ever even reaches the people.

There's more to WIC than just food for the poor. Some people who don't qualify for food assistance can get WIC and I appreciate that as working familes need all the help they can get....and healthy children are much cheaper in the long run.

I agree about the braces....that being said, I do believe serious orthodontic problems should be addressed simply beccause it helps with self-esteem, employment and health...another investment for long term benefit.

Student loans are student loans...they definitely should be paid back. And I'm glad they're taking the program away from the banks....why should we be paying the banks AND the students with our tax dollars?

Just my thoughts.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 11:12 AM
It's fine to complain about the welfare state which began as a symptom of class warfare, but it has expanded since the 1930's and now a lot more people are being dragged into it due to the economy, global financial incompetence and trade agreements which shipped manufacturing and agricultural jobs overseas.

What is the solution to a nation where millions of people have no jobs, no income and two million more join the ranks in January when their unemployment runs out. What's the solution to long term unemployment and no jobs?

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 11:39 AM
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Student loans are student loans...they definitely should be paid back. And I'm glad they're taking the program away from the banks....why should we be paying the banks AND the students with our tax dollars?

There's good reason to return it to the banks. In fact, the whole program needs serious re-thinking.

First; it should be in the private sector because it will then be run as a business. It's turning into an entitlement - and another bubble to burst. We can't afford the ones we have, we don't need to compound the problem further.

Second; the simple fact that govt backs these loans helps drive tuition up. Colleges know that students can tap into this money, and therefore they don't worry about charging more for what they offer. Govt money or govt backing always distorts normal market forces. College expenses have been rising far faster than inflation, right in coordination with more and more govt backing of the loans. Force colleges to worry about where their students will get the money to pay for tuition, and watch costs adjust to reality.

Third; why do we permit our broke ass govt to back student loans on every curriculum imaginable? Check that. We'd have to earn $16,000,000,000,000 just properly call ourselves broke. But honestly, why do we even consider supporting via loan guarantees kids who want to be history majors, English majors, musicians, ... the list could go on forever. Scientists, mathematicians, engineers - absolutely! We need those skills. You want to be something else - great! - just don't expect your fellow taxpayers to be a backstop for your loan.

Lastly, the final reason for returning most of this to the private sector is that it removes it from becoming a political tool to pander for votes. Obviously keeping govt out of what should be a personal responsibility is becoming a quaint idea among the masses, but that thinking is going to end badly. Why make it worse?

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 01:41 PM
Gina, the solution is easy but no one, Demorcats, Republicans, Obama nor Romney had he won, will do it.
I am at the end of the Baby Boom generation.
Growing up a child of the 1960's, 1970's, everything was made in USA. At the plant, on the line from cars to plastic containers (Tupperware parties).
Woolco, Woolworths, Grants, and other Five n' Dime stores are gone. Now, Family Dollar, The Dollar Tree ( which I go to like it is a drug) are all over with tons of cheap stuff from China.
Our country can stop the overseras jobs from factories, plants/assembly lines to call service representatives good paying jobs now to the ones that left.

We are all not doctors, engineers. College is not all it is cracked up to be. It is not for everyone...the cost, four-five yeras to spending long hours daily in the library....not for everybody.
I agree with you Gina and see your point. It is getting worst, not better as far as decent wages on decent , even semi-decent jobs go.

Fuj, first, turning it bank to the banks. Ok , fine but how?

Second, college costs like everything goes up and not down. Thing in picking a college is , if you have to take out a ridiculous amount, don't go to that one. It is like buying anything else. You have get the same result or item from a cheaper source.
Dorm fees, meal plan, etc. Maybe go to a small univ. or a univ. in state and even your city.
Hey, if Mom and Dad can pay for Harvard or any Ivy League or Big Ten state univ., go. If you are a legacy, go. If you have your money, go. If not, so what. One more thing here , some like keeping up with the Jones and choosing a univ. has become that too. I agree personal repsonsibility should be a factor in one 's total costs for college.
I would like, love a Jaguar like my cousins', but umm, I don't have a husband and I don't have her and his income and nothing else like them, so I don't drive a Jaguar.
Easy. Get, go,do what you can afford.

Third, your opinion there lies a problem .
How can you say which person has a viable degree or not? How can you say this person or that person can or cannot get a career in whatever major?
Yes, H.Sch. History teachers, lower level Pre-K-2nd Grade teachers , Drama and Communications majors, and so forth are not as open as others like RN's, research medical doctors, etc.
You can find a career of your choice even if it is one that is not so if you have connections.
Word is there are too many CPA's and accountants. Too many lawyers.
No need for journalists.
To secure a student loan from a bank....will it depend if you have collateral such as a home in your name at 18? Your parents, if you have any, have enough accts. and enough money in accts. at that bank or if they own property for collateral?
I can see where that will go.
Very Conservative.

I think the Sudent Loan Program is ok as is same as Small Business Loans, etc. Thing is, people yhave to pay it back in the smallest increments or larger depending on income.
Granish wages if the income is there. Take tax returns.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 03:46 PM
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Third, your opinion there lies a problem .
How can you say which person has a viable degree or not?

Easy. It's not about personal desire, it's about national need.

There's limited public money, and needs are assessed all the time, boiled down to essentials and defined. We have a shortage of engineers, scientists, etc. We have a shortage of some mechanical skills as well, such as welders. If we're going to risk public money we don't have in backing tuition costs, it only makes sense to limit that to specific skills the country needs.

But it's already too late. The student loan debacle is going to burst just like the housing bubble, and for many of the same reasons. Govt backing has lead to low lending standards and high tuition costs. Approximately 1/3rd of the students who took loans have nothing to show for it, as they dropped out and never earned their degree. Then there's the almost 50% unemployment problem for grads. There's over $1 trillion in outstanding student loans backed by the govt. Any guesses who's going to get stuck with most of that bill?

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 04:01 PM
Personally, I think students who excell in high school should be able to go to college for free...we'll get it back in the taxes they'll pay as graduates.....for those who aren't college material, I propose sending them to trade school....as mentioned, everyone isn't college material. Getting people out of school and on to a good job is good business for the country. I'm all for sending non violent offenders to college rather than paying three times or more to house them in prison. Of course with prisons privatizing there's more money to be made and the taxpayers foot the bill.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 06:03 PM
I disagree with Fuj.
 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 06:07 PM
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Yeah, me too.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 07:43 PM
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Yeah, me too.

Yes, it's just so much easier for the answer to always be "spend".

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 08:24 PM
No one other than some in the previous administration, think it's okay to just spend. We need to cut waste and make wise financial decisions at every turn. I personally think sending someone to college for say, 30K a year, is a wiser investment than spending about 70K to house them in prison for a year. Investing in people is imperative for us to move forward.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 08:41 PM
Rob a liquor store, win a ride to Harvard?

 

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Not unheard of....one older man robbed a store so he could go to jail and get health care. If someone did rob a store, I'd rather send him to college than to prison....costs less.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 10:58 PM
And the Republicans are the "crazy" ones? Hoo boy...
 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 11:14 PM
I suppose some might think so if they didn't have a real understanding of what long term investment means.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 11:26 PM
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If someone did rob a store, I'd rather send him to college than to prison....costs less.



What a great idea! Just give them scholarships!! Lets turn a bunch of criminals loose on a college campus and see how well that works out. Aside from the obvous problems there, it's bound to be a big hit with all the students working to put themselves through school. Or the parents who saved for 17 years to pay for their kids college.

 

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  posted on 11/24/2012 at 11:37 PM
You really need to read with understanding. My comment was in the context of providing free college to all who wanted to go...there were some other things in there too but I don't want to confuse you. I have to admit, if I was going to make a list of people who really were afraid someone might get something they didn't, you'd be in the top five.

 

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  posted on 11/25/2012 at 01:05 AM
The perspective is interesting.

The individual either goes to college or goes to prison. No in-between? No value in personal responsibility or personal motivation? It's either society pays for them to go to college or they become criminals. Wow, what lofty expectations!

Then there's the lack of recognition that free stuff usually carries with it exactly that value to the recipients - zero. Generations of people chosing to remain dependent have made no dent in the simple reality that people will value what they have to work for far more than what's given to them.

Of course there's the very concept that the astonomical cost of higher education, and it's higher-than-inflation annual increases, are tied to these same easy-money govt-backed programs. Nah, not possible.

If it's true that it takes a village, this one wouldn't seem to have much of a future. Especially with over a trillion in govt-backed student loans that set to explode on the public as the recipients can't find the jobs in a dying economy to pay them back.

But we'll be ok as long as guys like this get their free education.




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I bet you're just a real fun time to be around given that you think people are always out for free stuff and all. Your mind seems to live in a tiny little closet with the door closed. No sense in even wasting any more of my brain cells on fruitless discussion.

 

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"Stong and bitter words usually indicate a weak cause" - a favorite fortune cookie message

 

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I bet you're just a real fun time to be around given that you think people are always out for free stuff and all. Your mind seems to live in a tiny little closet with the door closed. No sense in even wasting any more of my brain cells on fruitless discussion.


One of the main narratives of the republican party that came from the bat crap nuts Teabillies is you are completely on your own, every person for themself and everyone else can go screw themselves. There is no sense of shared purpose or responsibility to help others within our society. That is one of the main reasons why they lost the election and will continue to lose going forward. The party of Eisenhower is long gone.

 

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  posted on 11/25/2012 at 07:32 AM
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Someone is going to have to pay for it. Who? That's right, the people that work hard and pay taxes. More free rides will only make our country weaker, not stronger. College is not a right. If you can't afford it, too bad. Get a job, save your money, and WORK for your future.

No matter, the free markets are dead and so is capitalism. TOAST.

 

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  posted on 11/25/2012 at 07:41 AM
Anem brother...........

 

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Someone is going to have to pay for it. Who?

 

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One of the main narratives of the republican party that came from the bat crap nuts Teabillies is you are completely on your own, every person for themself and everyone else can go screw themselves. There is no sense of shared purpose or responsibility to help others within our society.


We're more likely to give out of our own wallets, rather than sit back and implore the government to do it with somebody elses money. Maybe it ties in with the personal responsibility deal you speak of.

 
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