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Author: Subject: Ed King & Duane Allman by Mark Kemp

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  posted on 8/26/2012 at 06:32 PM
The following quote was taken directly out of Mark Kemp's book DIXIE LULLABY:

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Three weeks later, Duane Allman was dead and Ed King headed South, to the tobacco country of eastern North Carolina, where he hoped to absorb some of the Southern magic that made Allman tick. "In my head..." King began, and then trailed off. "I don't know what I was thinking at the time, but I thought maybe I might try to do what I could to fill Duane Allman's shoes." He laughed. "What a bizarre thought! Looking back, that was pretty arrogant, but I was determined. That's my motivation. That's why I was there."







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  posted on 8/26/2012 at 07:06 PM
So Anything Goes is now the battleground for the ghosts of Lynyrd Skynyrd ? That's kind of neat, like rock and roll zombie wars Maybe the lost souls of other bands will start coming here to tear each other up.

Hamburg Shmamburg. I saw Skynyrd in 74 and they tore the world apart, and Ed King was part of that. OK, so King wasn't the world's greatest guitar player, but he did know how to stay in the mix, unlike flashmaster Gaines, who was "too good" to blend, if you ask me. Although I thought Skynyrd with King was better than with Gaines, my favorite line up had neither. It was the one everyone forgot, the Gimme Back My Bullets, great show, lean mean, tight and clean, serious business, but audiences were holding out for the wild 3 guitar hoedown showdown and missed out on how good it really was. That was the line up that had the most potential , seems to me. Real different, grim, perfect, more hard rock less rock and roll.

So what if Ed King was inspired by Allman ? Who wasn't ? At least the guy followed his dream and played (plays) some great music. And that Strawberry Alarm Clock guitar was some mind-blowing sh*t.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2012 at 07:14 PM
Skynyrd was going to make it to the top if it killed them. It did both. The casualties were multiple and carried on well after the plane crash. How many times does Ed King need to be made a victim?
 

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  posted on 8/26/2012 at 08:47 PM

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They should have fired him that night on the spot.





Have you ever played in a band ? Ever had a bad night, or a bad run ? Ever had to bail out because things weren't going well, for whatever reason ? So he clammed in Hamburg, so what ?
The historical record is that he was on board for the epic rise of the band, when they were burning down venues across the USA. He did a fantastic job at the time for what was happening at that time, and I saw it with my own eyes. I wasn't on stage so I don't know anything about the soap opera, or care. That doesn't mean Gaines wasn't great, he was, and yes, a way better guitar player too. Still, he outshone Rossington and Collins, and at least King didn't make them look bad. That's what I meant by "too good."

Why the hatchet job on the guy ? So what if he spews poison, maybe he got backstabbed with a triangular blade and the wound won't heal. By the way, Mark Kemp can't write. "They should have run him out of the South" what kind of redneck bullsh*t is that anyway? And you, with the Left coast ? Ok Rush Limbaugh, I guarantee you pigs that think California is the Left Coast did not make up the crowd that originally welcomed this band, unlike the neo-Confederate snarlers that make up their current fan base. Lynyrd Skynyrd was a hard rock band with a psychedelic edge, not some pseudo Civil War reenactment soundtrack.

What is your justification for getting so fired up and personal about it all ? At least King was actually involved in the group, and has real reasons, for good or ill.

When's the first time you saw Lynyrd Skynyrd ? Seems to me you would be more sympathetic to their various early sounds if you had seen them back then. I saw all three different bands, and they were all great, though I personally favored the Gimme Back My Bullets line up without another guitar player gumming up the works.

Go and listen to your Gretchen Wilson and stop telling us you know anything about Lynyrd Skynyrd.


 

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  posted on 8/26/2012 at 10:21 PM
I wanted to be the next Duane also. Didn't work out quite as planned. Can't blame Ed for trying. I think if any musician, performer, athlete doesn't believe they could be the best then it will rob of them of some of their potential regardless of the level of success.

All a soap opera that was played out long ago twice as far as him and LS.

As for Gaines, he was a genius and we were all robbed of potentially one of the greatest of all time. He played, sang and wrote. How could adding him possibly make it worse? If that album was an indication of where LS was going, it was only up. Imagine no accident and they tour and back that album. They would have been huge. He also knew how to play as a team guy. Was he better than the others - yes without a doubt. Adding him only made LS that much better.

Shame that he didn't get to do many albums with him into the sunset years.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2012 at 10:38 PM
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I wanted to be the next Duane also. Didn't work out quite as planned. Can't blame Ed for trying. I think if any musician, performer, athlete doesn't believe they could be the best then it will rob of them of some of their potential regardless of the level of success.

All a soap opera that was played out long ago twice as far as him and LS.

As for Gaines, he was a genius and we were all robbed of potentially one of the greatest of all time. He played, sang and wrote. How could adding him possibly make it worse? If that album was an indication of where LS was going, it was only up. Imagine no accident and they tour and back that album. They would have been huge. He also knew how to play as a team guy. Was he better than the others - yes without a doubt. Adding him only made LS that much better.

Shame that he didn't get to do many albums with him into the sunset years.

Great post. Ronnie could mold whatever talent was around and give it his sound. Would have been interesting to see what Steve's influence on Ronnie would have turned out like.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2012 at 10:54 PM
Ed King was the best guitarist / music writer that Skynyrd has ever had. Without Sweet Home, the band never existed commercially. If he was still in the band, I'd still give them a shot. Medlocke is a clown.
 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 12:17 AM
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...King was so blown away by the Allman Brothers' ambitious mix of jazz improvisation and wailing blues that he went to see the group again, on October 12, 1971, at the Whiskey-a-Go-Go on Hollywood's Sunset Strip.



I won't get involved in the Ed King debate because I don't know enough about LS to say anything. But I find the above quote kinda shocking. It just goes to show how unknown the Brothers were on the Left Coast at that time. I mean, the Fillmore East record was released, if I'm not mistaken, in June 1971. Four months later they were stuck playing an L.A. gig @ the Whiskey-a-Go-Go? I've been to the Whiskey, it couldn't possibly seat more than about 250 people. And just for history's sake, The Beach Boys did not originate in L.A.'s San Fernando Valley where Ed King was from. The Wilson brothers grew up in Hawthorne, which is in the southern part of L.A. near Redondo Beach.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 12:37 AM
Is this the Freebird in question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rToryrk7ow

Which one is Ed King? I'm going to be honest I used to love Skynyrd then I discovered the ABB

 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 03:21 AM
Say what you will about Ed King, but skynyrd would have never made it out of florida without him. he co-wrote: "sweet home alabama" "saturday night special" "whiskey rock-a roller""railroad song" "poison whiskey" "workin for mca" "swamp music" and others, he had a great guitar tone, only a clown would dismiss his contributions to that band. as far as personality?, I dont know him enough to comment.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 07:26 AM
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Ed King was the best guitarist / music writer that Skynyrd has ever had. Without Sweet Home, the band never existed commercially. If he was still in the band, I'd still give them a shot. Medlocke is a clown.


Nothing against King or any LS player but not one comes close to Gaines skill level. He was the LS version of Jack Pearson. Just an incredibly well rounded player who could handle so many styles so well and knew how to blend it all together. Jack never got that ABB album to shine on but Steve did with LS and it was a monster album full of great songs and incredible playing.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 09:34 AM
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Ed King was the best guitarist / music writer that Skynyrd has ever had. Without Sweet Home, the band never existed commercially. If he was still in the band, I'd still give them a shot. Medlocke is a clown.


His work on Second Helping was critical to that album. His fills on Swamp Music have always fascinated me, and the lead he did on Sweet Home was so revolutionary, they (mostly Kooper)were afraid to use it on the final release.

He wasn't no Duane for sure, but he was the best guitarist in the band on SH and Nuthin' Fancy. A strat in the middle of those Gibsons was hard to miss.

And, for once, I am in complete agreement with pops.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 12:30 PM
I enjoyed Ed King's work with LS and appreciate his contribution to the whole movement that came out of our area. The movement inspired by Duane Allman's band.

It's a matter of personal taste, as always.

 
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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 05:21 PM
"Ed King's another great guitar player. I thought he got one of the best guitar sunds that I'd ever heard." ------ Hughie Thomasson, Southern Rockers by Marley Brant

 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 05:41 PM
Did Ed King run your dog over?


 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 05:59 PM
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Ed King was the best guitarist / music writer that Skynyrd has ever had. Without Sweet Home, the band never existed commercially. If he was still in the band, I'd still give them a shot. Medlocke is a clown.


His work on Second Helping was critical to that album. His fills on Swamp Music have always fascinated me, and the lead he did on Sweet Home was so revolutionary, they (mostly Kooper)were afraid to use it on the final release.

He wasn't no Duane for sure, but he was the best guitarist in the band on SH and Nuthin' Fancy. A strat in the middle of those Gibsons was hard to miss.

And, for once, I am in complete agreement with pops.
I believe thats twice now.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 07:24 PM

 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 08:08 PM
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...King was so blown away by the Allman Brothers' ambitious mix of jazz improvisation and wailing blues that he went to see the group again, on October 12, 1971, at the Whiskey-a-Go-Go on Hollywood's Sunset Strip.



I won't get involved in the Ed King debate because I don't know enough about LS to say anything. But I find the above quote kinda shocking. It just goes to show how unknown the Brothers were on the Left Coast at that time. I mean, the Fillmore East record was released, if I'm not mistaken, in June 1971. Four months later they were stuck playing an L.A. gig @ the Whiskey-a-Go-Go? I've been to the Whiskey, it couldn't possibly seat more than about 250 people. And just for history's sake, The Beach Boys did not originate in L.A.'s San Fernando Valley where Ed King was from. The Wilson brothers grew up in Hawthorne, which is in the southern part of L.A. near Redondo Beach.


I was at that October Whisky gig. The ABB had played just a few nights earlier at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium to a packed house - I was there, too. They just added the Whisky show as kind of a bonus gig.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 08:57 PM
"To many of us Skynyrd fans, Steve Gaines was a God and Ed was satan himself"

Oh come on, dude. Do you hear how you sound?

I'm going to give the Skynyrd fanbase the benefit of the doubt and assume that Cagey does not, in fact, speak for "many" Skynyrd fans. If he does, their fanbase is far worse than I ever realized.

Even if Ed King was an "outsider" from the evil "Left Coast" at least he knew that Duane Allman was a great musician and he aspired to be like him. Surely he gets some points for that alone.

In my opinion, Skynyrd in general never rose to the level of artistry the Allman Brothers achieved, but that was certainly not Ed King's fault, and you can't blame him for trying.

 
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  posted on 8/27/2012 at 10:00 PM
ABB and LS are apples and oranges. LS may not have been as gifted as the ABB but they tore it up and pumped out classic songs. Definitely the more classic rock radio friendly band between the two.

 

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  posted on 8/28/2012 at 06:25 AM
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I was at that October Whisky gig. The ABB had played just a few nights earlier at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium to a packed house - I was there, too. They just added the Whisky show as kind of a bonus gig.


Thanks for the clarification, it all makes a lot more sense now. I'm pretty sure The Hourglass played the Whiskey more than once so I guess it makes sense that they would go back there for a bonus gig. OOHHHH if I just would have been turned on to ABB in 1971, I could have been at that Santa Monica Civic show. I was 16 and had a driver's license. Didn't even know who there were yet.

 

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  posted on 8/28/2012 at 08:59 AM
Many of us will seem like dopes since Cagey deleted most of his original post. 1000 years from now a cyber archaeologist will be examininig this post trying to figure out what was going on.
 

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  posted on 8/28/2012 at 08:59 AM
Many of us will seem like dopes since Cagey deleted most of his original post. 1000 years from now a cyber archaeologist will be examininig this post trying to figure out what was going on.

A double post, but Cagey has deleted all of his posts. How....Cagey?

What the hell was everybody carrying on about

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  posted on 8/28/2012 at 09:39 AM
cagey is just another delusional troll.

 

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  posted on 8/28/2012 at 09:57 AM
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I enjoyed Ed King's work with LS and appreciate his contribution to the whole movement that came out of our area. The movement inspired by Duane Allman's band.

It's a matter of personal taste, as always.


I remember reading one of the last interviews with Duane. In that interview, the reporter asked about Duane's influences. I can't remember everybody that he named (J. Geils was one), but the reporter told Duane, "... you don't sound like any of those people.". Duane replied (paraphrased) - "Being influenced does not mean that you have to sound/play like...".

I have no doubt that Ed King ws influenced by Duane - as has been about 90% of every player since.

I am a total hack - but Duane Allman (along with the Beatles) was my muse!

 

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